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A grinch in paradise: Category 4 Tropical Cyclone Evan slams Fiji

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 4:17 PM GMT on December 17, 2012

Mighty Category 4 Tropical Cyclone Evan walloped Fiji with sustained winds of 135 mph, torrential rains, and a dangerous storm surge on Sunday. Evan intensified markedly from a Category 3 storm with 115 mph winds to a Category 4 with 135 mph winds as it approached Fiji, and Evan's southern eyewall--the most intense part of the storm--brought hurricane conditions to a long stretch of the north and west coasts of Fiji's main island, Viti Levu. Preliminary media reports indicate that damage is very heavy on Fiji, but no lives have been lost. According to a database maintained by NOAA's Coastal Service Center, Evan is the strongest tropical cyclone on record to affect Fiji's main island, with records going back to 1941. The tourist town of Nadi on the northwest coast experienced sustained winds of 69 mph, gusting to 104 mph during Evan's passage, but did not experience the calm of the eye. Several smaller islands with popular surf resorts just offshore from Nadi did experience a direct hit, and damage is undoubtedly very severe on those islands. Evan is now over colder waters with higher wind shear, and satellite loops show a deterioration of the cloud pattern. Evan is expected to weaken below hurricane strength and transition to an extratropical storm before reaching New Zealand on Thursday. The most devastating cyclone to affect Fiji in recent decades was Category 2 Cyclone Kina, which killed 23 people and did $100 million in damage in January 1993. The only deadlier storm was Category 3 Cyclone Eric of 1985, which made a direct hit on the capital of Suva and killed 25.


Figure 1. Radar image from the Fiji weather service showing the large eye of Tropical Cyclone Evan just north of Fiji at 2:50 pm local time (02:50 UTC) on Monday, December 17, 2012. At the time, the city of Nadi was in the southern eyewall of Evan, and recorded sustained winds of 52 mph, gusting to 104 mph. Sustained winds at Nadi increased to 69 mph three hours later.


Figure 2. Tracks of all Category 1 and stronger tropical cyclones to pass within 100 miles of Fiji's main island of Viti Levu since 1941. Evan is the strongest cyclone on record to pass so close to the main island of Fiji. Image credit: NOAA's Coastal Service Center.

Severe damage in Samoa from Evan
Evan made landfall on the north shore of Samoa near the capital of Apia on Thursday as a Category 1 cyclone with 90 mph winds, and intensified into a Category 3 storm with 115 mph winds after the eye wandered back offshore late Thursday. Media reports indicate that Evan killed four and has left eight missing on Samoa, with 4,000 homeless. The main power plant for Samoa was destroyed, and it is expected that power will be out to almost all of Samoa for at least ten more days. Evan was one of Samoa's most destructive tropical cyclones on record, as discussed by wunderground's weather historian, Christopher C. Burt. After devastating Samoa, Evan smashed through the French territorial islands of Wallis and Futuna, causing major damage but no deaths or injuries.


Figure 3. Residents affected by Typhoon Bopha crowd as relief goods are distributed at New Bataan township, Compostela Valley, in the southern Philippines, Sunday Dec. 9, 2012. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez)

Death toll from Super Typhoon Bopha rises above 1,000
In the Philippines, officials are still tallying the dead from deadly Super Typhoon Bopha, locally known as Pablo, which made landfall three times as it passed through northern Mindanao, central Visayas, and Palawan on December 4. The typhoon is now being blamed for at least 1020 deaths, making it the deadliest storm on the planet during 2012. At least 844 people are still missing and presumed dead. Bopha affected over 5.4 million people and left over 700,000 people homeless.

Jeff Masters

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Reader Comments

Shiny. New!
What the media doesn't want you to know... what happened this weekend alone after the school shooting. As the chaos is beginning to rev up.

Saturday
Man fires some 50 shots at Calif. mall parking lot

Sunday
San Antonio Movie Theater Shooting: Gunman Shoots 1 In Theater Parking Lot
thank u mr masters when is the cold air going 2 come down 2 fl mr masters i wanna see the 30 in orlando and south fl
rita,,brand new blog.lets start a clean slate.could you please do that??
Quoting RitaEvac:
What the media doesn't want you to know... what happened this weekend alone after the school shooting. As the chaos is beginning to rev up.

Saturday
Man fires some 50 shots at Calif. mall parking lot

Sunday
San Antonio Movie Theater Shooting: Gunman Shoots 1 In Theater Parking Lot
Quoting RitaEvac:
What the media doesn't want you to know... what happened this weekend alone after the school shooting. As the chaos is beginning to rev up.

Saturday
Man fires some 50 shots at Calif. mall parking lot

Sunday
San Antonio Movie Theater Shooting: Gunman Shoots 1 In Theater Parking Lot





Which media?
I heard about those incidents on Fox.
because i hate when the models keep going back and fourth on the cold weather i want it 2 be cold i love the cold weather
Quoting stormchaser43:
rita,,brand new blog.lets start a clean slate.could you please do that??


Starting now, just getting the word out, it was news to me that caught me off guard.
because it keeps going back and fourth the other day in orlando they showed 37 degrees and know they show 43 the models need 2 get a grip on this and show the 30 again
Thanks Doc...
Quoting stormchaser43:
rita,,brand new blog.lets start a clean slate.could you please do that??


Agree with you 43
Thank you Dr Masters .
Thanks Dr. Masters! It is so sad to hear about the damage done by both Evan and Boppha (AKA Pablo).

Thanks Again!

WunderGirl12
waz up wundergirl
Too many sad things to talk about, weather wise and not.
Quoting RitaEvac:
What the media doesn't want you to know... what happened this weekend alone after the school shooting. As the chaos is beginning to rev up.

Saturday
Man fires some 50 shots at Calif. mall parking lot

Sunday
San Antonio Movie Theater Shooting: Gunman Shoots 1 In Theater Parking Lot


I live in Central Texas and heard both of those over the weekend. It is ok to come out of the cave you live in
Quoting eddye:
thank u mr masters when is the cold air going 2 come down 2 fl mr masters i wanna see the 30 in orlando and south fl


Hey eddye! Check out the Maps and Radar section in Weather Underground. It shows the maps of all of the cold fronts and everything! :-) I would LOVE some cold air as well.

Talk to yah later!

WunderGirl2
wundergirl 12 meet me in weather chat at 1 pm
Quoting eddye:
waz up wundergirl


Nothing Much.

Wundergirl12

www.tinyurl.com/christmaspartybbc
Horrible to hear of all the deaths from 'Bopha' and still counting. ??? If any relief or aid is happening for the survivors. 
Quoting eddye:
wundergirl 12 meet me in weather chat at 1 pm


Read My comment underneath yours. :)

WunderGirl12
k sweetie miss u and also do u think we can get down the 30 for christmas wundergirl
Evan In rainbow

Thanks Dr. Masters for the update..
A glancing blow by Evan to Fiji..
And Bopha was the worst TC on the planet this year..
I still don't understand why the warnings for the Philipines wasn't at least a a catagory/signal 4 for them..
That would have made it a mandantory evac. for all residents to designated safe shelters..
Albiet some shelters were devestated I believe the tragedy would have been lessened..
JMO of course..
Thanks again..
Quoting eddye:
k sweetie miss u and also do u think we can get down the 30 for christmas wundergirl


It's possible. We would need a strong high for that to occur. I sure hope that we do get some colder weather! :-) Today's high is 81 in December!

WunderGirl12
wundergirl i want it 2 be like the 2010 season when it was cold
Quoting eddye:
wundergirl i want it 2 be like the 2010 season when it was cold


Totally agree with you on that. The colder, the better. Let me check the charts for the next couple of days. :)

WunderGirl12
4 days left
Monday
Partly cloudy. High of 86F. Winds

i hate this weather i want it cold and nice
Quoting brywalker:


I live in Central Texas and heard both of those over the weekend. It is ok to come out of the cave you live in


I don't live on the internet and watch tv all day, like some...
Quoting eddye:
Monday
Partly cloudy. High of 86F. Winds

i hate this weather i want it cold and nice


Wow 86? Old man winter must have severe dimentia or is sleeping on the job. Low to mid 70s here in the Austin area today.
My weather blew through here in just a matter of 15-20 minutes..lots of lightening,so beware those of you east of me..
I will have more rain I'm sure but not with a push like that one..



Quoting calkevin77:


Wow 86? Old man winter must have severe dimentia or is sleeping on the job. Low to mid 70s here in the Austin area today.


Here in the Sunshine State, things are getting hot.
Quoting RitaEvac:


I don't live on the internet and watch tv all day, like some...


Then don't blame the media.
Well put RTS, well put.
Thanks Doc.
There may be some rough weather with this next system.Day 3 convective outlook
National Weather Service Storm Prediction Center Norman OK
0218 am CST Monday Dec 17 2012


Valid 191200z - 201200z


..there is a slight risk of severe thunderstorms from northestern Texas...Extreme southeastern OK
through the lower MS valley...


...


Models have converged on similar solutions regarding the speed and
amplitude of the next significant upper trough forecast to amplify
across the southwestern states Tuesday. This feature will continue rapidly
eastward through the southern and Central Plains Wednesday and lower MS valley
Wednesday night. A deep cyclone will develop in the Lee of rockies
as exit region of upper jet rotates through base of the trough and
into the southern High Plains. This low will track northeastward through the middle
MS valley Wednesday night. Southeastward moving polar front will overtake the
Pacific front and sweep across the Southern Plains and middle-lower MS
valley regions. This boundary will likely extend from the surface low
over Illinois southwestward into MS/la by the end of this period.


..extreme eastern OK...Northestern Texas through lower MS valley region...


Primary limiting factor for a more robust severe event with this
system will likely be very weak instability. Cold front that will
move off the Texas and la coasts Monday will shunt Richer low level
moisture at least as far south as the central Gulf. However...southerly
boundary layer winds will increase over the western Gulf later Tuesday
in response to developing Lee cyclone. Partially modified Gulf air
will advect through eastern Texas and the lower MS valley Tuesday night
into Wednesday with near surface dewpoints increasing to around 60 as
far north as Arkansas and upper 60s near the Texas/la coasts. Some
potential also exists for low clouds to develop along the axis of
moisture return...which in conjunction with weak middle level lapse
rates may significantly limit MUCAPE to at or below 500 j/kg.

Quoting WxGeekVA:


The San Antonio incident was actually stopped by a citizen (off-duty cop)with a concealed carry permit, for all of you anti-gun nuts out there. That shows that sometimes citizens with guns can be a good thing.
Now, now, don't go confusing them with the details.
Quoting pcola57:
My weather blew through here in just a matter of 15-20 minutes..lots of lightening,so beware those of you east of me..
I will have more rain I'm sure but not with a push like that one..

<

Thanks from Tallahassee..........I don't know the reasons but those squall lines tend to weaken a bit as they approach the Apalachicola River and not as strong for the Big Bend as what they usually are for the Panhandle.


Typhoon Bopha - Dec 2012
Featured
Glide: TC-2012-000197-PHL


Overview

Typhoon Bopha passed to the south of the larger islands in the Palau archipelago in the early morning of 3 Dec 2012 with winds of up to 250 km per hour, damaging and destroying buildings and infrastructure. The President declared a state of emergency. (OCHA, 5 Dec 2012)

In the Philippines, the typhoon, locally known as Pablo, made landfall three times as it passed through northern Mindanao, central Visayas, and Palawan on 4 Dec, affecting over 5.4 million people. On 12 Dec, the death toll stands at 740 with a further 890 people reported missing. Overall displacement figures continue to rise, currently totaling 778,200. (OCHA, 12 Dec 2012)

On 10 Dec, the Government and the Humanitarian Country Team launched the Bopha Action Plan for Response and Recovery as part of the Philippines Humanitarian Action Plan 2013, requesting US$65 million to reach 481,000 of the most affected people.

Useful Links

Humanitarian Response in the Philippines
Pacific Humanitarian Team
Philippines National Disaster Risk Reduction & Management Council (NDRRMC)
Philippines: Google Crisis Response map
Philippines: Google Person Finder
Quoting RitaEvac:


I don't live on the internet and watch tv all day, like some...
Then how can you claim that the media is not reporting on these stories - as you link to media articles about them?
Thank you Dr. Masters
Friday, December 21st Forecast (Doomsday Forecast)

59 high
48 low

Partly cloudy in the morning, then clear. High of 59F. Breezy. Winds from the NNW at 10 to 20 mph.

Cold weather at last?????

Old man winter needs to wake up. I need cold weather :) Anyways, if the world is going to end on the 21st, why can't we have good weather??

WunderGirl12
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


Re post # 41:

I've noticed that they weaken myself..I couldn't guess what or why that is..
Tallahassee should be close to the same except in elevation..
I'm at 30' above sea level where I'm located..
I looked up FSU campus elevation and south campus is at 82'..
Not much of a diff..
Way out in time, but interesting with all the moisture.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


The San Antonio incident was actually stopped by a citizen (off-duty cop)with a concealed carry permit, for all of you anti-gun nuts out there. That shows that sometimes citizens with guns can be a good thing.

Rock on! 10+
Thank you for the info. Saw the picture of many hands. Read that over 700,000 homeless. Incredible. These were not beach homes but real everyday, raise your family homes. I could not imagine this happening in the US on any coast. That is a lot of people not to mention the death toll that still is climbing still weeks later. Yes... I do realize we build homes to withstand Mother Nature but earthquakes, volcanoes... one never knows what will happen next with these.
Quoting Patrap:


Typhoon Bopha - Dec 2012
Featured
Glide: TC-2012-000197-PHL


Overview

Typhoon Bopha passed to the south of the larger islands in the Palau archipelago in the early morning of 3 Dec 2012 with winds of up to 250 km per hour, damaging and destroying buildings and infrastructure. The President declared a state of emergency. (OCHA, 5 Dec 2012)

In the Philippines, the typhoon, locally known as Pablo, made landfall three times as it passed through northern Mindanao, central Visayas, and Palawan on 4 Dec, affecting over 5.4 million people. On 12 Dec, the death toll stands at 740 with a further 890 people reported missing. Overall displacement figures continue to rise, currently totaling 778,200. (OCHA, 12 Dec 2012)

On 10 Dec, the Government and the Humanitarian Country Team launched the Bopha Action Plan for Response and Recovery as part of the Philippines Humanitarian Action Plan 2013, requesting US$65 million to reach 481,000 of the most affected people.

Useful Links

Humanitarian Response in the Philippines
Pacific Humanitarian Team
Philippines National Disaster Risk Reduction & Management Council (NDRRMC)
Philippines: Google Crisis Response map
Philippines: Google Person Finder

Quoting pcola57:


I've noticed that they weaken myself..I couldn't guess what or why that is..
Tallahassee should be close to the same except in elevation..
I'm at 30' above sea level where I'm located..
I looked up FSU campus elevation and south campus is at 82'..
Not much of a diff..


I am thinking that maybe the geography; the way that Apalachicola juts out right after Panama City. More land for the front to traverse before it gets to the Big Bend with slightly cooler temps over the land mass (versus no land "cover" between the coastal cities like Pensacola and Panama City directly over the warmer water/temps on the Gulf)...............

Just a theory.
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Portlight.org, Brain Dance Foundation and Weather Underground would like to announce the Getting It Right conference, a two day training conference on shelter accessibility and appropriate disability protocol for disaster shelter operators and first responders, to be held in Atlanta, Georgia in the early spring of 2013.


Arrangements are being made to hold the conference in the Shepherd Center, in Atlanta Georgia. They have graciously agreed to host the conference for us and as the largest rehabilitation facility in the world, Shepherd is ideal. They have been at the forefront of some of the greatest disability rights initiatives of the last 30 years, including the 1996 Paralympic Congress, the Spirit of ADA Torch Relay and ADAPT actions. It is a fabulous facility and attendees will see things there they can't see anywhere else.The importance of this conference cannot be overstated. Despite efforts to address issues of shelter accessibility and disability protocol, the problems remain. They manifest themselves most clearly at what we like to call the retail level: while agency leaders agree to deal with our issues, the breakdowns occur on the ground at the shelters themselves, and with first responders who just do not understand our situations. The conference will focus on training those in the trenches. Our focus will be on minimal, short term accessibility, as much of the problem has been a purist approach, which is simply unattainable. We want to strive for attainable, effective solutions instead of perfection. We want to focus on simple, short term solutions to shelter transportation and accessibility during disaster situations.

The whole will be greater than the sum of its parts. The conference has inherent importance but also allows a framework around which to leverage our voice, and allows for targeted publicity opportunities, community building and outreach, a webinar element for those unable to attend, and a final report outlining a way forward.

These are legitimate issues and they can be addressed, and this conference will help to outline the problems as well as provide real world solutions.

Over the coming weeks we will be building a website and tightening the scheduling for the conference; please stay tuned to our website and blog for more information and links.
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


I am thinking that maybe the geography; the way that Apalachicola juts out right after Panama City. More land for the front to traverse before it gets to the Big Bend with slightly cooler temps over the land mass (versus no land "cover" between the coastal cities like Pensacola and Panama City directly over the warmer water/temps on the Gulf)...............

Just a theory.

anybody know why sometimes a well-built squall line will evaporate 30 miles off the tampa coast and then other times come right on in and hit full- force?
Quoting thunderbug91:

anybody know why sometimes a well-built squall line will evaporate 30 miles off the tampa coast and then other times come right on in and hit full- force?


Maybe ask Pat Robertson?

He usually knows why stuff weather related happens.


: )


Patrap you have 4 days to use your grants :)
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


I am thinking that maybe the geography; the way that Apalachicola juts out right after Panama City. More land for the front to traverse before it gets to the Big Bend with slightly cooler temps over the land mass (versus no land "cover" between the coastal cities like Pensacola and Panama City directly over the warmer water/temps on the Gulf)...............

Just a theory.


You just may have something there..never thought of it that way..
And yeah we get sooo much moisture here off the gulf..
I personally dis-like it here..but i have a family obligation(see my bio) to stay so must accept it..
Good theory weatherman.. :)
So the 4th named winsterstorm has come to us,Draco.
Several storms coming. It is far out but it shows the pattern fairly well. ...84 hours..228 hours.. 338..
The latest CPC ENSO update has Nino 3.4 the same as last week's update at -0.1C.

Link
Saying goodbye to our Grail twins on the moon.
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index .html?media_id=156978841
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
Patrap you have 4 days to use your grants :)
Stormz... the storms are coming and getting stronger.) But really, that calendar puts December 21st AS the LAST DAY OF THEIR YEAR... the shortest 'daylight' on the calendar year. It really should be the Last day of the year NOT January 1st. The New Year should start with the longest daylight hours. Hang in there and Rejoice on December 22nd. BIG OOOPS, December 31st as the last day.
the last time it'll be here

BIRTHDAY'S SPECIAL GIFT TO ALL OF YOU TODAY
_______________________________

Since today's my birthday...here is what I promised to show you..click on all pics for larger view



in 4 days...


some of you know Latin here...BTW the first word should be habeamus


and...




THANK YOU GUYS!!!
Quoting pcola57:


Re post # 41:

I've noticed that they weaken myself..I couldn't guess what or why that is..
Tallahassee should be close to the same except in elevation..
I'm at 30' above sea level where I'm located..
I looked up FSU campus elevation and south campus is at 82'..
Not much of a diff..
I remember in the 70,s and 80,s "( when real bad squall lines seemed commonplace ), that when they arrived at night, they intensified so rapidly that the weather service was usually too late with the warnings and the storm was already on top of us, or had passed. During the day, squall lines would actually weaken before hitting the coast. It was my belief that sometimes the daytime heating and the rising air over the state affected the squall line somehow by robbing it of its dynamics before striking the peninsula, and the opposite at night when dynamics are practically reversed.
Quoting RTSplayer:


The difference is a moving van isn't specifically engineered to kill people; guns are.

The Van was just a mode of transport. The bomb is what did the killing, at the hands of it's creator.

It is conceivable that a similar bomb attack could have been carried out by other means at the same location, without the use of truck or plane transports, but I'll not discuss one of the alternative options I could think of online.

In order to make a truck bomb or even an improvised explosive that is powerful enough and reliable enough to be a good weapon, a person needs to at least put some thought and effort into it. I know there's some simple alternatives to making a bomb, but again, I'll not speak of them.

A gun? The guy just buys it pre-made, perfectly legally, or in this case his gun collecting mother did the buying, with hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and he's good to go.

What honest reason is there for an individual citizen to own hundreds of rounds of ammunition for assault weapons, or even own the weapon in the first place?


You see, second amendment doesn't protect U.S. citizens from foreign invaders. Anyone likely to invade the U.S. is unlikely to follow Geneva Convention, and if they somehow defeat our active duty military, your small arms fire is not going to matter. You will not be defending yourself against infantry, but against nukes, drones, and chemical weapons, against which small arms fire is useless.

At the time the second amendment was written, single shot muskets and canons were the most advanced weapons on Earth, and the next most advanced weapons were the bayonette and the sword. Swords did not become totally obsolete until the invention of the machine gun.

The notion that a lone gunman would be capable of firing hundreds of shots in a matter of a few seconds in a massacre would have been inconceivable to the authors of the constitution.



point i was making you don't need a gun to kill large amount of people....if someone wants to do it they will find a way....
So the Mayan's could predict the end of the world but they couldn't see the Spanish coming?
Quoting NttyGrtty:
So the Mayan's could predict the end of the world but they couldn't see the Spanish coming?


Spanish weren't in the stars..... :D
FYI the Mayan Calendar is ROUND! It rolls over, it doesn't end.
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
the last time it'll be here

BIRTHDAY'S SPECIAL GIFT TO ALL OF YOU TODAY
_______________________________

Since today's my birthday...here is what I promised to show you..click on all pics for larger view



in 4 days...


some of you know Latin here...BTW the first word should be habeamus


and...




THANK YOU GUYS!!!


Hey! Where's my avatar in there??? lol
This guy just makes way too much sense.

County Police Chief Recommends Arming School Personnel

St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says it is time to talk about arming civilian school personnel following Friday’s massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, comparing it to arming airline pilots after September 11, 2001.

“I see it no differently,” he said. “Pilots have been armed now for many many years, we’ve not had another hijacking and the issue is, for the bad guy, he doesn’t know which airplane he’s getting on, if the pilot is armed or not.”

Fitch said the killing will not be stopped by legislation or laws. “If there’s somebody that’s really hellbent on doing something like this, they’re not going to care what the law is.”

[snip]

Concerning the possibility of gun control, Fitch said “it’s just not going to happen,” and called for an increased focus on mental health instead.

“One of the first thing governments tend to cut back on in tight times are mental health services,” he said. “We know this individual has a mental health history in Connecticut, we’ve seen that in all the school shootings, and additional resources would be helpful.
Quoting NttyGrtty:
So the Mayan's could predict the end of the world but they couldn't see the Spanish coming?


Excellent point ... I will be carrying on with my Christmas preparations..I don't believe in the 12/21/2012 nonsense ... and I would worry for those that do....

Quoting NttyGrtty:
So the Mayan's could predict the end of the world but they couldn't see the Spanish coming?
It's called Star Magazine. They got it all wrong when they saw it at the newstand.
Quoting thunderbug91:


Hey! Where's my avatar in there??? lol


sorry...I could include you if you want...there are over 50 in there of you

I can't stack it up too much.
Quoting AGWcreationists:
This guy just makes way too much sense.

County Police Chief Recommends Arming School Personnel

St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says it is time to talk about arming civilian school personnel following Friday’s massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, comparing it to arming airline pilots after September 11, 2001.

“I see it no differently,” he said. “Pilots have been armed now for many many years, we’ve not had another hijacking and the issue is, for the bad guy, he doesn’t know which airplane he’s getting on, if the pilot is armed or not.”

Fitch said the killing will not be stopped by legislation or laws. “If there’s somebody that’s really hellbent on doing something like this, they’re not going to care what the law is.”

[snip]

Concerning the possibility of gun control, Fitch said “it’s just not going to happen,” and called for an increased focus on mental health instead.

“One of the first thing governments tend to cut back on in tight times are mental health services,” he said. “We know this individual has a mental health history in Connecticut, we’ve seen that in all the school shootings, and additional resources would be helpful.



SOOOOOOOO TRUE
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


sorry...I could include you if you want...there are over 50 in there of you

I can't stack it up too much.

No its ok lol just giving u a hard time, hows things going?
Quoting hydrus:
I remember in the 70,s and 80,s "( when real bad squall lines seemed commonplace ), that when they arrived at night, they intensified so rapidly that the weather service was usually too late with the warnings and the storm was already on top of us, or had passed. During the day, squall lines would actually weaken before hitting the coast. It was my belief that sometimes the daytime heating and the rising air over the state affected the squall line somehow by robbing it of its dynamics before striking the peninsula, and the opposite at night when dynamics are practically reversed.

U know, that makes great sense.....
Quoting thunderbug91:

No its ok lol just giving u a hard time, hows things going?


pretty cool not as happy here living so close to that shooting issue.
Im gonna go to eat w/ some friends then to see my girl.... : )
then at work overnight...darn!
Quoting WxGeekVA:


The San Antonio incident was actually stopped by a citizen (off-duty cop)with a concealed carry permit, for all of you anti-gun nuts out there. That shows that sometimes citizens with guns can be a good thing.


Some of us are not "anti-gun nuts" but believe the first part of the second amendment (A well regulated militia....) is missing, that is it is not well regulated.
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


pretty cool not as happy here living so close to that shooting issue.
Im gonna go to eat w/ some friends then to see my girl.... : )
then at work overnight...darn!

i know what u mean.... which is why i decided after my last one to put off dating until school is over, I don't have enough time in my life for both! lol
Quoting biff4ugo:
FYI the Mayan Calendar is ROUND! It rolls over, it doesn't end.


It doesnt have to be round!

Anyway I'm losing faith in our end of the world squall line for thursday, the low center is too far north
over a foot in southern Maine..whooo!!!

Quoting thunderbug91:

i know what u mean.... which is why i decided after my last one to put off dating until school is over, I don't have enough time in my life for both! lol


yep...its a pain doing both... and working as well

Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


It doesnt have to be round!
All planets are round..... WHY is that?
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Some of us are not "anti-gun nuts" but believe the first part of the second amendment (A well regulated militia....) is missing, that is it is not well regulated.

It keeps everything in check when a respectable citizen keeps himself armed for the safety of those around him. If you regulate weapons, then the prepetrators (which use the black market for guns anyway, so the regulations don't hinder them a bit) are able to take advantage of those around them, and you see crime increase.
Quoting hydrus:
Several storms coming. It is far out but it shows the pattern fairly well. ...84 hours..228 hours.. 338..
And none of them will bring me snow.
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


yep...its a pain doing both... and working as well

yep! That's like running 3 jobs... work, school, girlfriend... it wears a fella down fast.
Quoting JustPlantIt:

All planets are round..... WHY is that?


nope..no planet is round... they look round but they are not a complete and perfectly curved circle..
Quoting washingtonian115:
And none of them will bring me snow.

is that what we call being pessimistically optimistic?
There are now 4 days until the 2012 Winter Solstice.
I see winter watches for southern Minnesota/Wisconsin and severe thunderstorm watches a state south of it???? WTH???

I'll make up a map for this later today for Draco snow in the midwest...(if i have time)
Quoting NttyGrtty:
So the Mayan's could predict the end of the world but they couldn't see the Spanish coming?
THIS!.Lol now that is funny.I'm still doing my Christmas shopping on the net and in stores.I expect to celebrate it next week.
Quoting hydrus:
I remember in the 70,s and 80,s "( when real bad squall lines seemed commonplace ), that when they arrived at night, they intensified so rapidly that the weather service was usually too late with the warnings and the storm was already on top of us, or had passed. During the day, squall lines would actually weaken before hitting the coast. It was my belief that sometimes the daytime heating and the rising air over the state affected the squall line somehow by robbing it of its dynamics before striking the peninsula, and the opposite at night when dynamics are practically reversed.


I agree hydrus..
I see those squall lines even now react in that way..
Thats a good observation.. :)
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


nope..no planet is round... they look round but there are not a complete and perfectly curved circle..
Oblate spheroids.?

Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


nope..no planet is round... they look round but there are not a complete and perfectly curved circle..
And for the most part... they are not square. My point.
Quoting hydrus:
Oblate spheroids.?

ellipsoids
and there r 369 days until the 2013 winter solstice.what's ur point???
Quoting Patrap:
There are now 4 days until the 2012 Winter Solstice.
Quoting hydrus:
Oblate spheroids.?


IDK, maybe.. Go to the Grand Canyon and look around then look at Earth sitting on the Moon
what does that tell you?
Quoting pcola57:


I agree hydrus..
I see those squall lines even now react in that way..
Thats a good observation.. :)
We had absolutely horrible squall lines in 79 and 80. they did tremendous damage in lee and Charlotte counties.
Quoting thunderbug91:

is that what we call being pessimistically optimistic?
The weather has been working in weird ways.It is either already or getting warm when the parcipitation commences.

Pat the dooms day shows are already showing in marathons now.loo.
Quoting JustPlantIt:

And for the most part... they are not square. My point.


think of a snaky, curvy, zig zagy, heart-beat line-like thing resembling a circle in the big far away view
My heart goes out to all the friends and family of the school shooting victims. It just makes me sick to even think about it.
Cyclone Evan:


Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


think of a snaky, curvy, zig zagy, heart-beat line-like thing resembling a circle in the big far away view
WOW... that could get me hot!
Quoting hydrus:
Several storms coming. It is far out but it shows the pattern fairly well. ...84 hours..

S.C. WI just went under a Winter Storm Watch, with a possible 10" of snow when all finished late Thurs. Lots can change between now and Wed evening, but I'm hoping!
Quoting washingtonian115:
The weather has been working in weird ways.It is either already or getting warm when the parcipitation commences.

Pat the dooms day shows are already showing in marathons now.loo.

To be frank, I'd just be happy for some rain right about now around here....
Quoting JustPlantIt:

WOW... that could get me hot!


as anyone else
wow! Tornado watches for southern Georgia/ FL Panhandle..
HOT NEWS!!! TORNADO WARNING JUST ISSUED FOR SOUTHERN GEORGIA..
.

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PEACHTREE CITY GA
136 PM EST MON DEC 17 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PEACHTREE CITY HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
TELFAIR COUNTY IN CENTRAL GEORGIA
EXTREME SOUTHEASTERN WILCOX COUNTY IN CENTRAL GEORGIA

* UNTIL 200 PM EST

* AT 133 PM EST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO 14 MILES WEST OF
JACKSONVILLE...MOVING EAST AT 50 MPH.

* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
JACKSONVILLE AND LUMBER CITY.
..."Sorry Folk's, Winter's closed"...


URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH NUMBER 683
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1230 PM EST MON DEC 17 2012

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

SOUTHERN INDIANA
WESTERN...CENTRAL...AND EASTERN KENTUCKY
MIDDLE TENNESSEE

EFFECTIVE THIS MONDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 1230 PM UNTIL
800 PM EST.

HAIL TO 1.5 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS TO 70
MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.

THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 90
STATUTE MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 55 MILES NORTH OF
LEXINGTON KENTUCKY TO 25 MILES SOUTH OF NASHVILLE TENNESSEE. FOR
A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH
OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU3).

REMEMBER...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE
FAVORABLE FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAN AND OCCASIONALLY
DO PRODUCE TORNADOES.
Quoting Patrap:
..."Sorry Folk's, Winter's closed"...





No, no - please say it isn't so!! :)
After last year and the winter that never happened, we really need the moisture and snow to play in :)
Quoting lilElla:



No, no - please say it isn't so!! :)
After last year and the winter that never happened, we really need the moisture and snow to play in :)
You ain't lie on that one.
I was just working outside and I think I saw 2 snowflakes fly by :) It must not be true, though, as it is 43 degrees.

In truth, we can talk about our stand on gun control or lack thereof forever, but nothing will change until we begin to raise compassionate kids that think before they act, and provide mental health care for those that need it. If that young man had asked for help instead of taking innocent lives, we would not need to be having this conversation to begin with.

I personally do not own a gun, will not own a gun and will not live in fear of a gun. If someone wants to come shoot me, there is very little I can do to stop it, armed or not.
aint it lovely we all have that freedom to make that choice goose,,
Quoting goosegirl1:
I was just working outside and I think I saw 2 snowflakes fly by :) It must not be true, though, as it is 43 degrees.

In truth, we can talk about our stand on gun control or lack thereof forever, but nothing will change until we begin to raise compassionate kids that think before they act, and provide mental health care for those that need it. If that young man had asked for help instead of taking innocent lives, we would not need to be having this conversation to begin with.

I personally do not own a gun, will not own a gun and will not live in fear of a gun. If someone wants to come shoot me, there is very little I can do to stop it, armed or not.
At least one tornado on the ground in SE GA
Quoting FunnelVortex:


Obvious troll is obvious.

That's right..... GOODBYE!
real breezy here now........
Quoting LargoFl:
real breezy here now........

Good afternoon Largo, I can't believe that the squall line isn't even going to make it down here....
Quoting thunderbug91:

Good afternoon Largo, I can't believe that the squall line isn't even going to make it down here....
Hi yes we could really use that rain here, we miss this one I guess..
georgia Stormz is this near you?...safe safe up there...
Look at the red bar



theyren't gonna name" Winter storm Draco to impact Alberta"
Good new and bad news considering winter weather around where I am.

Bad news: We lost our snow during the rain event of Saturday.

Good news: We are getting it back on Thursday
wow this is a real bad red line of storms...........
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TALLAHASSEE HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
THOMAS COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL GEORGIA...
SOUTHEASTERN DECATUR COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST GEORGIA...
GRADY COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST GEORGIA...

* UNTIL 245 PM EST

* AT 154 PM EST...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS DETECTED A LINE OF
SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS
OF 60 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM
OCHLOCKNEE TO 19 MILES SOUTHWEST OF WHIGHAM...OR ALONG A LINE
EXTENDING FROM QUALITY TO DOGTOWN...AND MOVING EAST AT 40 MPH.

THESE STORMS HAVE A HISTORY OF BLOWING TREES DOWN IN DECATUR COUNTY.

* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
CAIRO...COOLIDGE...THOMASVILLE AND BOSTON

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

THIS IS A DANGEROUS STORM. IF YOU ARE IN ITS PATH...PREPARE
IMMEDIATELY. PEOPLE OUTSIDE SHOULD MOVE INSIDE A STRONG BUILDING BUT
AWAY FROM WINDOWS.

&&
Quoting LargoFl:
wow this is a real bad red line of storms...........

Looks cranky, hope our friends up there stay safe...
Quoting LargoFl:

Red box is so close to us, yet we arent even gonna get a drop.... wish we could get some rain! :(
COASTAL WATERS FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHARLESTON SC
156 PM EST MON DEC 17 2012

SOUTH SANTEE RIVER SC TO SAVANNAH GA OUT 20 NM AND SAVANNAH GA TO
ALTAMAHA SOUND GA OUT 60 NM...INCLUDING CHARLESTON HARBOR AND GRAYS
REEF NATIONAL MARINE SANCTUARY

AMZ354-181000-
WATERS FROM SAVANNAH GA TO ALTAMAHA SOUND GA OUT 20 NM...INCLUDING
GRAYS REEF NATIONAL MARINE SANCTUARY-
156 PM EST MON DEC 17 2012

...TORNADO WATCH 684 IN EFFECT UNTIL 9 PM EST THIS EVENING...

.THIS AFTERNOON...SW WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. SEAS 3 TO 4 FT. A SLIGHT
CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND TSTMS EARLY THIS AFTERNOON... THEN SHOWERS AND
TSTMS LIKELY LATE. SOME TSTMS MAY BE SEVERE WITH DAMAGING WINDS
AND WATERSPOUTS.
.TONIGHT...SW WINDS 10 TO 15 KT WITH GUSTS TO 20 KT. SEAS 3 TO
4 FT...SUBSIDING TO 2 TO 3 FT AFTER MIDNIGHT. A CHANCE OF
WATERSPOUTS IN THE EVENING. SHOWERS AND TSTMS IN THE EVENING...THEN
A CHANCE OF SHOWERS WITH A SLIGHT CHANCE OF TSTMS AFTER MIDNIGHT.
SOME TSTMS MAY BE SEVERE WITH DAMAGING WINDS IN THE EVENING. LOCALLY
HEAVY RAINFALL POSSIBLE IN THE EVENING.
.TUE...W WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. SEAS 2 TO 3 FT.
.TUE NIGHT...NW WINDS 5 TO 10 KT. SEAS 2 TO 3 FT.
.WED...NW WINDS 5 TO 10 KT...BECOMING SW IN THE AFTERNOON. SEAS 2 FT
IN THE MORNING...THEN 1 FOOT.
.WED NIGHT...S WINDS 5 TO 10 KT. SEAS 2 TO 3 FT.
.THU...SW WINDS 15 TO 20 KT. SEAS 3 TO 4 FT. A CHANCE OF SHOWERS.
.THU NIGHT...W WINDS 20 TO 25 KT. SEAS 3 TO 4 FT. A CHANCE OF
SHOWERS.
.FRI...NW WINDS 20 TO 25 KT. SEAS 2 TO 3 FT.
.FRI NIGHT...NW WINDS 15 TO 20 KT. SEAS 1 FOOT.

MARINERS ARE REMINDED THAT WINDS AND SEAS CAN BE HIGHER IN AND
NEAR TSTMS.

$$
Dr. Jeff Masters I have a question for you to answer if you could.

My question goes as follows: Why are some people on this blog banned for what they say when another person can say the same thing and not be banned. This is especially true for a certain someone in New Orleans. This person does not seem to receive bans no matter what drivel they post, while anyone who posts something against them is almost immediately banned. This double standard should certainly not exist.

I thank you in advance for your response.
129. VR46L
Looks like some interesting weather for the Florida Panhandle too, rather tempermental.... Stay safe be safe

Quoting nymore:
Dr. Jeff Masters I have a question for you to answer if you could.

My question goes as follows: Why are some people on this blog banned for what they say when another person can say the same thing and not be banned. This is especially true for a certain someone in New Orleans. This person does not seem to receive bans no matter what drivel he posts, while anyone who posts something against them is almost immediately banned. This double standard should certainly not exist.

I thank you in advance for your response.
Lol.The blog does act on a double standard sometimes.Im not gonna get in on that though.
Quoting thunderbug91:

Red box is so close to us, yet we arent even gonna get a drop.... wish we could get some rain! :(


Where are you at Tbug?
Quoting calkevin77:


Where are you at Tbug?

Tampa, 11 miles due east of MacDill AFB
Regarding circles... The circle of life, circle of a planet, circle of radar. Circles of spectrum and DNA. All are ciricular in nature and conformity. Even STORMS are circular. 'Ring of Fire', Volcananic mountains and even stone henge and druid inspiration and pagan are all based on the circle. The mayan knew much more than we do today based on the simple circle. It amazes me that we take such a simple circle for granted. Even the pyramids had ciricular caverns. Maybe something to study for it has a significance even in modern day science. I am not done with this. The alleged "Crop Circles" also come to mind. Not perfect, but still a circular configuration. And then there is also the nucleus study of diseases that are also manifested within a circle. Sorry for spelling, just my point of view.
134. yoboi
Quoting nymore:
Dr. Jeff Masters I have a question for you to answer if you could.

My question goes as follows: Why are some people on this blog banned for what they say when another person can say the same thing and not be banned. This is especially true for a certain someone in New Orleans. This person does not seem to receive bans no matter what drivel they post, while anyone who posts something against them is almost immediately banned. This double standard should certainly not exist.

I thank you in advance for your response.


you might try e-mailing him....i doubt he reads ever post on here..
hey guys
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys

hi guy
ttyl folks gotta go to work. All you in GA stay safe this evening. Have a good night.
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
the last time it'll be here

BIRTHDAY'S SPECIAL GIFT TO ALL OF YOU TODAY
_______________________________

Since today's my birthday...here is what I promised to show you..click on all pics for larger view



in 4 days...


some of you know Latin here...BTW the first word should be habeamus


and...




THANK YOU GUYS!!!


Very cool post! Happy belated B-day trHUrrIXC5MMX!
the SPC has included my area in the slight risk and tornado threat..







Good afternoon everyone...

URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 685
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
255 PM EST MON DEC 17 2012

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

SOUTHERN AND EASTERN SOUTH CAROLINA
COASTAL WATERS

EFFECTIVE THIS MONDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 255 PM UNTIL 900
PM EST.

TORNADOES...HAIL TO 0.5 INCH IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND
GUSTS TO 70 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE
AREAS.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 40 STATUTE
MILES EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 80 MILES SOUTHWEST OF CHARLESTON
SOUTH CAROLINA TO 45 MILES EAST NORTHEAST OF CHARLESTON SOUTH
CAROLINA. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE
ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU5).

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 683...WW 684...

DISCUSSION...SW-NE SQLN OVER SRN/ERN GA...WITH EMBEDDED LEWPS/BOWING
SEGMENTS...EXPECTED TO CONTINUE E INTO SRN/ERN SC...WHERE LOW-LVL
AIR MASS RECOVERY CONTINUES INVOF DIFFUSE W-E WARM FRONT. STRENGTH
OF LOW TO MID-LVL WIND FIELD AND PRESENCE OF SUSTAINED
STORMS/EMBEDDED SUPERCELLS UPSTREAM WITHIN SQLN...SUGGEST POTENTIAL
FOR DMGG WIND AND POSSIBLY A TORNADO OR TWO...THROUGH EARLY EVE.

AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL
SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 0.5 INCH. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE
WIND GUSTS TO 60 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO
350. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 26045.


...CORFIDI
Evan continues to weaken and looks to be transitioning before impacting New Zealand.

Quoting AGWcreationists:
This guy just makes way too much sense.

County Police Chief Recommends Arming School Personnel

St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says it is time to talk about arming civilian school personnel following Friday’s massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, comparing it to arming airline pilots after September 11, 2001.

“I see it no differently,” he said. “Pilots have been armed now for many many years, we’ve not had another hijacking and the issue is, for the bad guy, he doesn’t know which airplane he’s getting on, if the pilot is armed or not.”

Fitch said the killing will not be stopped by legislation or laws. “If there’s somebody that’s really hellbent on doing something like this, they’re not going to care what the law is.”

[snip]

Concerning the possibility of gun control, Fitch said “it’s just not going to happen,” and called for an increased focus on mental health instead.

“One of the first thing governments tend to cut back on in tight times are mental health services,” he said. “We know this individual has a mental health history in Connecticut, we’ve seen that in all the school shootings, and additional resources would be helpful.


Horrifying concept.
Fiji Meteorological Services
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #28
SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE EVAN, CATEGORY THREE (04F)
6:00 AM FST December 18 2012
===================================

A GALE WARNING REMAINS IN FORCE FOR CORAL COAST, KADAVU, BEQA, VATULELE AND NEARBY SMALLER ISLANDS (Fiji/Rotuma)

At 18:00 PM UTC, Severe Tropical Cyclone Evan (970 hPa) located at 19.6S 177.2E has 10 minute sustained winds of 80 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving south at 8 knots.

Hurricane Force Winds
========================
15 NM from the center

Storm Force Winds
====================
30 NM from the center

Gale Force Winds
================
100 NM from the center in southern semi-circle
70 NM from the center in northeast quadrant
60 NM from the center in northwest quadrant

Area of deep convection has decreased in the last 12 hours. Eye cloud filled in the last 3 hours. Cyclone lies under an upper diffluent region. Outflow good to the north and south. EVAN lies in a moderate sheared environment. Sea surface temperature is around 27C. Dvorak analysis based on embedded center with LG surround giving DT=4.5 MET=5.0 PT=5.0. Final Dvorak T number based on DT. CI held at 5.0 due to Dvorak constraints.

Dvorak Intensity: T4.5/5.0/W1.5/24 HRS

Forecast and Intensity
=====================
12 HRS: 20.9S 177.3E - 75 knots (CAT 3/Severe Tropical Cyclone)
24 HRS: 22.0S 178.3E - 65 knots (CAT 3/Severe Tropical Cyclone)
48 HRS: 24.1S 177.2E - 55 knots (CAT 2/Tropical Cyclone)
Quoting AGWcreationists:
This guy just makes way too much sense.

County Police Chief Recommends Arming School Personnel

St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says it is time to talk about arming civilian school personnel following Friday’s massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, comparing it to arming airline pilots after September 11, 2001.

“I see it no differently,” he said. “Pilots have been armed now for many many years, we’ve not had another hijacking and the issue is, for the bad guy, he doesn’t know which airplane he’s getting on, if the pilot is armed or not.”

Fitch said the killing will not be stopped by legislation or laws. “If there’s somebody that’s really hellbent on doing something like this, they’re not going to care what the law is.”

[snip]

Concerning the possibility of gun control, Fitch said “it’s just not going to happen,” and called for an increased focus on mental health instead.

“One of the first thing governments tend to cut back on in tight times are mental health services,” he said. “We know this individual has a mental health history in Connecticut, we’ve seen that in all the school shootings, and additional resources would be helpful.

Exactly.
Quoting AGWcreationists:
This guy just makes way too much sense.

County Police Chief Recommends Arming School Personnel

St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says it is time to talk about arming civilian school personnel following Friday’s massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, comparing it to arming airline pilots after September 11, 2001.

“I see it no differently,” he said. “Pilots have been armed now for many many years, we’ve not had another hijacking and the issue is, for the bad guy, he doesn’t know which airplane he’s getting on, if the pilot is armed or not.”

Fitch said the killing will not be stopped by legislation or laws. “If there’s somebody that’s really hellbent on doing something like this, they’re not going to care what the law is.”

[snip]

Concerning the possibility of gun control, Fitch said “it’s just not going to happen,” and called for an increased focus on mental health instead.

“One of the first thing governments tend to cut back on in tight times are mental health services,” he said. “We know this individual has a mental health history in Connecticut, we’ve seen that in all the school shootings, and additional resources would be helpful.
AGW....Sounds like a wonderful idea on paper, but speaking for myself, and I'm sure others, could myself, others, take another life? Not sure. Maybe yes, maybe no. It's something that I hope I will never have to do...Make that decision.
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
AGW....Sounds like a wonderful idea on paper, but speaking for myself, and I'm sure others, could myself, others, take another life? Not sure. Maybe yes, maybe no. It's something that I hope I will never have to do...Make that decision.
I think that would be up to the school personnel in question to decide. I don't see anyone being forced into this duty, but instead volunteering. They would go through training, including tactical. And they would be motivated to protect their charges.
Regarding circles... The circle of life, circle of a planet, circle of radar. Circles of spectrum and DNA. All are ciricular in nature and conformity. Even STORMS are circular. 'Ring of Fire', Volcananic mountains and even stone henge and druid inspiration and pagan are all based on the circle. The mayan knew much more than we do today based on the simple circle. It amazes me that we take such a simple circle for granted. Even the pyramids had ciricular caverns. Maybe something to study for it has a significance even in modern day science. I am not done with this. The alleged "Crop Circles" also come to mind. Not perfect, but still a circular configuration. And then there is also the nucleus study of diseases that are also manifested within a circle. Sorry for spelling, just my point of view.
Quoting JustPlantIt:
Regarding circles... The circle of life, circle of a planet, circle of radar. Circles of spectrum and DNA. All are ciricular in nature and conformity. Even STORMS are circular. 'Ring of Fire', Volcananic mountains and even stone henge and druid inspiration and pagan are all based on the circle. The mayan knew much more than we do today based on the simple circle. It amazes me that we take such a simple circle for granted. Even the pyramids had ciricular caverns. Maybe something to study for it has a significance even in modern day science. I am not done with this. The alleged "Crop Circles" also come to mind. Not perfect, but still a circular configuration. And then there is also the nucleus study of diseases that are also manifested within a circle. Sorry for spelling, just my point of view.
Too scared to post on this! All to confused on what gun to buy? Silly asses, think the world is really ending. It just might with the illerate and stupid who are killing.
For those of you who want snow: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/ 12/17/quebec-city-pile-up-crash.html

from one who doesn't.
Quoting NttyGrtty:
So the Mayan's could predict the end of the world but they couldn't see the Spanish coming?
The Mayans were in decline or had declined at the time the Spanish arrived.

Montezuma(Aztec) is said to have forewarning of the white men approaching by various signals or signs. A comet was involved, etc, etc.

"Anticipating the momentous event of Quetzelcoatl’s return, Moctezuma II had posted watchers on the coast to draw images of the aliens and deliver them to him. The emperor was amazed that the light-skinned, bearded figures matched the traditional descriptions of Quetzelcoatl. This case of mistaken identity caused the Aztecs to put up little resistance to the Spaniards, who soon conquered the empire."

The Mayans believed that the arrival of a very different entity, Bolon Yokte and they pick the date. Also,their expectations were of someone coming from the sky, not from the sea.

Raleigh, NC NWS long range discussion:

ARCTIC AIR...THE POTENTLY CAD... AND MILLER B STORM TYPE... SUGGEST INCREASING ODDS FOR FREEZING OR FROZEN FROM OUR LATITUDE NORTH AND WEST. THE MAIN STORM TRACK FORECAST TO OUR NW COMBINED WITH THE
DEVELOPMENT OF LOW LEVEL CAD SUGGESTS WARMING ALOFT... AND EITHER RAIN OR POSSIBLY FREEZING RAIN (IF STRONG ENOUGH CAD CAN BE MAINTAINED DOWN THE EASTERN SEABOARD) AS THE MAIN P-TYPE OVER OUR
TYPICAL PIEDMONT DAMMING REGION.

THE BOTTOM LINE HERE... A STORMY AND COLDER WEEK IS EXPECTED NEXT WEEK... WITH MODERATE TO HIGH CONFIDENCE. LOW CONFIDENCE ON STORM TRACK... STRENGTH... CAD DEVELOPMENT... AND ANY FREEZING/FROZEN
P-TYPE FOR DEC 25-27.
Quoting Bielle:


Horrifying concept.
Care to elaborate why you find it horrifying?
WINTER WEATHER UPDATE
__________________________

Winter storm Draco...for Midwest



click on image for larger view


by the way...google has it too
Quoting OracleDeAtlantis:
The Mayans were in decline or had declined at the time the Spanish arrived.

Montezuma(Aztec) is said to have forewarning of the white men approaching by various signals or signs. A comet was involved, etc, etc.

"Anticipating the momentous event of Quetzelcoatl’s return, Moctezuma II had posted watchers on the coast to draw images of the aliens and deliver them to him. The emperor was amazed that the light-skinned, bearded figures matched the traditional descriptions of Quetzelcoatl. This case of mistaken identity caused the Aztecs to put up little resistance to the Spaniards, who soon conquered the empire."

The Mayans believed that the arrival of a very different entity, Bolon Yokte and they pick the date. Also,their expectations were of someone coming from the sky, not from the sea.


This supposedly doomsday is giving good economic impact to us. because here in Honduras instead of being worried our government is using it for people to come and see what the mayans did.our tourism has really increase in the past couple of days.
Hey everyone, we can understand the desire to discuss what happened in Newtown but this blog isn't the place. We let it go for a while but now the discussion belongs in another blog. Let's try to stay on topic here. Thanks.
LOL!!....
Quoting WunderBlogAdmin:
Hey everyone, we can understand the desire to discuss what happened in Newtown but this blog isn't the place. We let it go for a while but now the discussion belongs in another blog. Let's try to stay on topic here. Thanks.




i told them that this AM lol and now am going too start reporting it
Quoting JustPlantIt:
OK.... but I'm trying to deal with the death of my Dad, December 17, 1990. Then my Mom on September 18, 2010. I am gettting intoxicated. Just me, only child and I am sick with death. HATE Christmas. Just me and my Circles. Anniversary of his death. Sucks. And I will be 50 yrs next year. Too short of life for my parents.



you can chat about this in your own blog but when your on the main weather blog it talk about the weather and the weather olny
Severe storms getting ready to push off the coast of SC:


Quoting Tazmanian:



you can chat about this in your own blog but when your on the main weather blog it talk about the weather and the weather olny
Do not believe in 12/21 but wish that I go away
Looks like pretty average conditions for most of the US temperature wise coming up, a bit below average in the West:



Meanwhile, precip looks above average for just about everyone:



Insurance Industry Paying Increasing Attention to Climate Change

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NORTHERN ARCTIC COAST-
INCLUDING...BARROW...ALAKTAK...PITT POINT...NULAVIK
843 AM AKST MON DEC 17 2012

...WIND CHILL ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 6 PM THIS EVENING
TO 6 AM AKST TUESDAY...

A WIND CHILL ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 6 PM THIS EVENING TO
6 AM AKST TUESDAY.

* WIND CHILL VALUES...TO 50 BELOW.

* TIMING...EAST WINDS WILL INCREASE THIS EVENING CAUSING VERY
COLD WIND CHILLS. THE STRONG WINDS AND COLD WIND CHILLS WILL
CONTINUE THROUGH EARLY TUESDAY MORNING.

* IMPACTS...EXPOSED FLESH CAN FREEZE IN A SHORT TIME RESULTING
IN FROSTBITE.

I wouldn't want to be there in Alaska
422 PM EST MON DEC 17 2012

...FOG BECOMING LOCALLY DENSE AFTER SUNSET...

PATCHY LIGHT FOG WILL BECOME MORE WIDESPREAD AFTER SUNSET AND MAY BECOME
LOCALLY DENSE AS A WARM FRONT MOVES SLOWLY NORTH TOWARD THE AREA.

ALTHOUGH WIDESPREAD VISIBILITIES OF AROUND 2 MILES ARE FORECAST...PATCHES
OF DENSE FOG COULD RESTRICT VISIBILITIES TO AS LOW AS 1/4 MILE.

MOTORISTS SHOULD EXERCISE CAUTION WHILE DRIVING THIS EVENING AND
OVERNIGHT. REDUCE DRIVING SPEEDS AND USE LOW BEAM HEADLIGHTS.


fog again for NYC area..Im sick of it
Evan is on the weakening trend. The eye of Evan has gradually become obscured over the past several hours on satellite images as it began moving into high vertical shear and cool sea surface temperatures. Evan is forecast to continue moving generally southward and would affect New Zealand as a weakening tropical storm or post-tropical cyclone by the latter part of this week.


Really interesting live feed from NASA...

NASA TV will provide live coverage today (Dec. 17) of the demise of its twin Grail probes, which are slated to crash into a lunar mountain at 5:28 p.m. EST (2228 GMT). Coverage will begin at 5 p.m. EST (2200 GMT) and last about 35 minutes.

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Quoting Patrap:


Maybe ask Pat Robertson?

He usually knows why stuff weather related happens.


: )



I believe in upper air support myself.
Sad news...Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii has passed away.
Quoting JustPlantIt:
OK.... but I'm trying to deal with the death of my Dad, December 17, 1990. Then my Mom on September 18, 2010. I am gettting intoxicated. Just me, only child and I am sick with death. HATE Christmas. Just me and my Circles. Anniversary of his death. Sucks. And I will be 50 yrs next year. Too short of life for my parents.

Quoting Tazmanian:



you can chat about this in your own blog but when your on the main weather blog it talk about the weather and the weather olny


This blog is a community. Sometimes the community members are in pain. If it is a constant interruption, then the administrators can handle it. As one of the community said earlier, "Don't spaz, Taz".
Forecast Lows for the 23rd...

Must be dinner time as it is very quiet here last 30 minutes....
We're having a bit of a...debate on Wikipedia, revolving around whether or not the name "Superstorm Sandy" is too 'sensational' to add to the first sentence of the lead. Numerous official, trustworthy organizations such as several local National Weather Service offices, the Red Cross, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration itself have dubbed the storm as the aforementioned nickname, so we have the sources need be. I would like you guys' thoughts: should the name "Superstorm Sandy" be included in its article or not?
180. yoboi
Quoting MontanaZephyr:


Insurance Industry Paying Increasing Attention to Climate Change

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yep get ready to pay higher rates and also when they throw in the carbon tax should bring 90% in poverty.
FYI
Quoting WunderBlogAdmin:
Hey everyone, we can understand the desire to discuss what happened in Newtown but this blog isn't the place. We let it go for a while but now the discussion belongs in another blog. Let's try to stay on topic here. Thanks.
"999/666" isn't a laughing matter, but it reminds me.

Has anyone else ever noticed that the "Dragon" speech recognition software has "666" as it's leading 3 digits of it's phone number?

I think these people either don't know what they've done, or else they do know and think it's just some sick joke.

"Dragon" is the Biblical archetype of the Devil, and "666" is the "Number of the Beast" in Revelation, which is usually interpreted to be the "Anti-Christ".

Surely they realize their product, which happens to share the name of a symbol for the Devil, also shares a phone number which is itself the symbol of the Devil?!

Maybe they need to be told so they can do the appropriate thing and change their name and number, or maybe the government needs to be told.

Anybody intentionally choosing that combination of name and number needs to be investigated.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
We're having a bit of a...debate on Wikipedia, revolving around whether or not the name "Superstorm Sandy" is too 'sensational' to add to the first sentence of the lead. Numerous official, trustworthy organizations such as several local National Weather Service offices, the Red Cross, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration itself have dubbed the storm as the aforementioned nickname, so we have the sources need be. I would like you guys' thoughts: should the name "Superstorm Sandy" be included in its article or not?

You asked two questions.

1. Too sensational for the first sentence as a way of referencing the storm? Definitely.

2. Too sensational to be mentioned elsewhere as a label given the storm. No.

A third question:

3. Too sensational to be used directly in the article as a way of referencing the storm? Yes.

I suspect you are in favor of using the label directly. If you do use it, first write an article on super storms. Then someone using Wikipedia as a reference will have a way to figure out what you mean by that.

Edit: adding an article on super storms would probably be ruled out as doing original research. So no articles about super storm Sandy.
Very weird in the past hour. Taking a very long time to apply new comments and now the icons are acting weird. An Omen of something?
Is there a blog hole or just a slow night?
Are we fixed?
The comments are making it here but very slowly.
Painfully slowly. :)

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
We're having a bit of a...debate on Wikipedia, revolving around whether or not the name "Superstorm Sandy" is too 'sensational' to add to the first sentence of the lead. Numerous official, trustworthy organizations such as several local National Weather Service offices, the Red Cross, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration itself have dubbed the storm as the aforementioned nickname, so we have the sources need be. I would like you guys' thoughts: should the name "Superstorm Sandy" be included in its article or not?
Call it Hurricane Sandy, but leave a remark at the top specifying its alternate name (i.e., "Hurricane Sandy, also known as 'Superstorm Sandy'").
Good evening everyone, I just got back from a busy afternoon. When I was picked up from school, picking up my sister, and finally picking up my cousin there were a police car or two patrolling each school in the area. Anyway... The big weather system still looks to impact SE MI with high winds and rain to snow.
Rescue for 100

MORE than 100 villagers fled Vio Island early yesterday as storm surges brought by Tropical Cyclone Evan caused flooding to their homes.

Quick action by the villagers and headman Semisi Mana saw them come across from the island just off the Lautoka coast as TC Evan began to make its presence felt in the west.

Three boats and police trucks were used to transport the villagers to safety from as early as 7am.

"We were listening to the updates on the radio and when the water started to come into the village. I called the DISMAC office," Mr Mana said.

"We were able to bring ourselves across from the island and the police were waiting here at the fisheries wharf."

Mr Mana explained that 100 villagers were still on the island.

"Most of the villagers who came across were women and children, there are about 100 men left in the village to watch over the houses," he said.

However, he remained hopeful the flooding in the village would subside when the tide receded.

"When we left the island the winds were starting to become strong and it was high tide, so the water was coming in to some parts of village.

"Hopefully, as the tides go out the flooding will stop."

Villager Lepani Volau said they were awake since 6am packing their belongings.

When The Fiji Times visited the villagers at the fisheries wharf yesterday, they were patiently waiting to be taken to evacuation centres in the Sugar City.

They had come across with the clothes on their back and precious few other possessions in their dash for safety but their spirits remained high despite this.

By yesterday afternoon the villagers were evacuated to Lautoka Methodist School.

Meanwhile 11 families from the flood-prone area of Naviyago were also evacuated to the Naviyago Community Hall yesterday.

Fiji Times
197. Hugo5
next system moving into the western us seems to be getting a large boost of moisture from the tropical pacific, could become a good rain and snow bringer for cali and the navada mountain ranges.


Lives spared

"THE good news is that there have been no deaths linked with the cyclone."

Commander Cawaki said that while there were minor injuries, work by teams on the ground in alerting people on the dangers of Tropical Cyclone Evan was successful in stopping the loss of lives.

However, no communication has been received yet from the Mamanuca and Yasawa groups that were closest to the eye of the storm.

_________________________________________________ _____________________________________________

Hit bad where it matters most

TROPICAL cyclone Evan tore through the Western Division yesterday leaving a trail of destruction in its wake.

The tourism industry, the hardest hit by the Category Five storm, has said the damage bill to the country is expected to be exorbitant.

Fiji Hotels and Tourism Association president Dixon Seeto said with Samoa's damage bill tentatively pegged at $300million, Fiji's would be significantly more.

"When you look at the areas that were affected from Rakiraki right through to Nadi, there are a lot of factories and industries situated in these areas. And you also have to factor in the fact that Fiji has more built-up areas," he said.

Ba and Tavua special administrator Arun Prasad said early warnings had led to people taking precautionary measures and moving stock to higher ground.

Meanwhile, in Lautoka, the Western operations centre established at Churchill Park had to be relocated after the roof of the iconic stadium was blown off at the height of the cyclone.

Lautoka special administrator Praveen Bala said his team's focus was clearing debris before moves would be made to address issues with municipal council properties.

"We want to ensure that business is brought back to normal as quickly as possible and clearing our roads immediately after the storm passes will ensure this happens. Once this has happened we will start fixing our properties," he said.

When this edition went to press at 10.30pm, gale force winds were still battering the Lautoka coastline, uprooting trees and bringing down both power and telecommunications lines.

The Western operations centre was yesterday receiving calls from people in Ba and Nadi pleading for help after the roofs of their houses were blown off.

However, the Commissioner Western Commander Joeli Cawaki said teams would only be able to assist once there was a break in the weather.

Fiji's biggest sugar mill in Lautoka was not spared the wrath of TC Evan with the roof of one its storage sheds ripped apart, leaving stacks of sugar sacks at the mercy of the elements.

The South Pacific Fertilisers building suffered the same fate as ones at the Fiji Sugar Corporation grounds.
Quoting KoritheMan:

Call it Hurricane Sandy, but leave a remark at the top specifying its alternate name (i.e., "Hurricane Sandy, also known as 'Superstorm Sandy'").


I agree to something like what Kori says. There will be many people who would be looking it up as 'superstorm', and surely ease of finding just what they're looking for is paramount?
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Exactly.


I agree 2x10^8 percent! Because I have a rock I found by an old meteorite crater, and since I've had it I've not once been hit by a meteor!

I also have a wooden stick that was was once struck by lightning, and since I have had that the world hasn't ended once!

And yes, I'm being extremely sarcastic.
Re post 198:

Thats a tragic report for Fiji..
As stated by the Western Commissioner re-building cannot start until the roadways are cleared out..
If I remember correctly,Fiji's roads were a "challenge" even before this event..
And the fertilizer and sugar spillage and run-off will be quite damaging..
Can't believe a week from tomorrow is Christmas...

203. yoboi
Quoting KoritheMan:

Call it Hurricane Sandy, but leave a remark at the top specifying its alternate name (i.e., "Hurricane Sandy, also known as 'Superstorm Sandy'").



was it a hurricane at landfall???
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Can't believe a week from tomorrow is Christmas...


I can't believe that it's my Birthday on Sunday. Another year gone so fast.
Quoting yoboi:



was it a hurricane at landfall???

we all no that answer. Don't we?
Quoting AussieStorm:

I can't believe that it's my Birthday on Sunday. Another year gone so fast.


An early Happy B-Day to you Aussie! One of my favorite bloggers!

Quoting yoboi:



was it a hurricane at landfall???
As much as Draco is.
209. yoboi
Quoting AussieStorm:

we all no that answer. Don't we?



some say yes some say no idk...
Quoting yoboi:



was it a hurricane at landfall???


review the image

Quoting RTSplayer:
"999/666" isn't a laughing matter, but it reminds me.

Has anyone else ever noticed that the "Dragon" speech recognition software has "666" as it's leading 3 digits of it's phone number?

I think these people either don't know what they've done, or else they do know and think it's just some sick joke.

"Dragon" is the Biblical archetype of the Devil, and "666" is the "Number of the Beast" in Revelation, which is usually interpreted to be the "Anti-Christ".

Surely they realize their product, which happens to share the name of a symbol for the Devil, also shares a phone number which is itself the symbol of the Devil?!

Maybe they need to be told so they can do the appropriate thing and change their name and number, or maybe the government needs to be told.

Anybody intentionally choosing that combination of name and number needs to be investigated.


No
212. yoboi
Quoting RTSplayer:
"999/666" isn't a laughing matter, but it reminds me.

Has anyone else ever noticed that the "Dragon" speech recognition software has "666" as it's leading 3 digits of it's phone number?

I think these people either don't know what they've done, or else they do know and think it's just some sick joke.

"Dragon" is the Biblical archetype of the Devil, and "666" is the "Number of the Beast" in Revelation, which is usually interpreted to be the "Anti-Christ".

Surely they realize their product, which happens to share the name of a symbol for the Devil, also shares a phone number which is itself the symbol of the Devil?!

Maybe they need to be told so they can do the appropriate thing and change their name and number, or maybe the government needs to be told.

Anybody intentionally choosing that combination of name and number needs to be investigated.



they have a town in loiusiana the first 3 numbers are 666
Quoting yoboi:



was it a hurricane at landfall???

That's a billion dollar question that's likely to be caught up in the courts for a few years.

Quoting mitthbevnuruodo:


I agree to something like what Kori says. There will be many people who would be looking it up as 'superstorm', and surely ease of finding just what they're looking for is paramount?


You can do a redirect for "Superstorm Sandy" that will take them right to "Hurricane Sandy". From that perspective, the word doesn't even need to be in the article. It's the way mispellings are treated.
Quoting yoboi:



was it a hurricane at landfall???

I'm going to go with no.
Fiji looks to rebuild after Tropical Cyclone Evan's wrath

TROPICAL Cyclone Evan left a swathe of destruction across Fiji today after battering the Pacific nation for more than 12 hours, destroying homes, flooding rivers and stranding thousands of tourists.

Despite the damage, officials said there were no reported fatalities as the storm headed out to sea early today and was downgraded a notch to category three.

Flights will resume today after air services were cancelled on Sunday following the closure of Nadi International Airport.

The first flight by Air Pacific will fly out from Sydney tonight at 10.30pm and arrive in Nadi at 4.20am local time tomorrow.

The first flight out of Nadi will depart at 6.30pm local time (4.40pm AEDT) and arrive in Sydney at 8.55pm.

Western parts of the main island Viti Levu bore the brunt of the cyclone's fury overnight, with the Fiji Times describing the township of Lautoka as a "war zone".
The information ministry said bridges were submerged by swollen rivers, high winds toppled power lines and roads were closed by landslides and debris.

Almost 8500 locals sheltered from the cyclone in evacuation centres, while thousands of international tourists, many relocated from outlying islands for their own safety, rode out the storm in Viti Levu's resorts.

Fairfax New Zealand journalist Marc Hinton, who was on vacation in Fiji when the cyclone hit, said the landscape was littered with bits of roof and debris after hurricane force winds lashed the area for more than 12 hours.

"Everyone was hunkered down, the winds were so strong last night you couldn't even open your doors, it was over 200 kilometres per hour," he told the Dominion Post newspaper.

However, fears that Cyclone Evan would rival the deadly force of Cyclone Kina, which killed 23 people when it siept through Fiji in 1993, proved unfounded, largely due to extensive planning as the storm advanced.

Neighbouring Samoa had no advance notice when Evan pummelled it late last week and officials there said Tuesday the official death toll had risen to five, with up to 10 people still missing.

The missing were aboard four fishing boats that failed to return to port last Friday and a New Zealand-led aerial search was called off today after finding no sign of the men.

"We are confident that the area has been thoroughly covered in difficult circumstances," Rescue Coordination Centre New Zealand spokesman Neville Blakemore said.

"This is obviously a tragic outcome for the families of the men involved and our thoughts are with them."

Samoa's Disaster Management Office (DMO) said almost 5000 people were still in evacuation centres and power remained off in much of the country.

DMO spokeswoman Filomena Nelson said the damage caused by the storm, estimated by the government to cost $130 million, was more extensive than when a tsunami hit the country in 2009, killing 143 people.

"While the cost in lives has been less, the destruction is greater than the tsunami because it's affected a far larger area," she said.

AFP
217. yoboi
Quoting misanthrope:

That's a billion dollar question that's likely to be caught up in the courts for a few years.



it will be interesting how the courts rule.
Anyone seen the new hobbit movie?

anyway:
Sorry if this was already posted.

Chicago Surpasses Latest First Measurable Snowfall

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO IL
859 AM CST MON DEC 17 2012 /959 AM EST MON DEC 17 2012/

...RECORD LATEST FIRST MEASURABLE SNOWFALL SURPASSED AT
CHICAGO-OHARE IL...

AS OF MIDNIGHT LAST NIGHT...CHICAGO SURPASSED THE RECORD FOR
LATEST FIRST MEASURABLE SNOWFALL. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD WHICH
WAS SET BACK ON DECEMBER 16 1965.

$$

RODRIGUEZ
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
Anyone seen the new hobbit movie?

anyway:

I think I am seeing it this weekend.

More severe storms are in the forecast for tomorrow. Been somewhat of an active couple days.
To lighten the mood a bit, a photo from here by my place in North Wales last week. No snow, was just a few days worth of frost donw in the valley, as it gets no sunlight in the winter. So just a few days of freezing temps give a lovely winter wonderland look. Back to normal rainy and windy though for the last few days. Even though was SO freezing last week (and I feel it as only heat 1 room in the house LOL), I sure prefer this to rainy, cold and damp. Just below freezing is easier to deal with, my body just doesn't like humidity, hot or cold! Anyway, I liked this image so much, I finally got round to signing up to an image hosting sight and figuring out the right way to copy the url to share it with my tropical weather friends who also like wintery stuff! I tried to upload something last week, but found I couldn't link to the blog, was just on the photos section LOL





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Quoting Bielle:


You can do a redirect for "Superstorm Sandy" that will take them right to "Hurricane Sandy". From that perspective, the word doesn't even need to be in the article. It's the way mispellings are treated.

The redirect was added shortly after the storm dissipated. The discussion is whether it--the term "Superstorm Sandy"--should be added into the first sentence of the lede or not.
Quoting yoboi:



some say yes some say no idk...

The only problem I have with Sandy is with the NHC passing Sandy onto the NWS to issue watches and warnings, especially while Sandy was still a Hurricane.
Quoting pcola57:
Re post 198:

Thats a tragic report for Fiji..
As stated by the Western Commissioner re-building cannot start until the roadways are cleared out..
If I remember correctly,Fiji's roads were a "challenge" even before this event..
And the fertilizer and sugar spillage and run-off will be quite damaging..


That whole storm has been something you don't want to see. Terrible for them, but can't help but think if a storm of that intensity behaved the way it did somewhere even more populous. I know these places expect to get a hit sometimes, but the way this one meandered and then strengthened. Not the kind of thing you wish on anyone. Would have been a lovely storm to watch in open waters.
Quoting mitthbevnuruodo:
To lighten the mood a bit, a photo from here by my place in North Wales last week. No snow, was just a few days worth of frost donw in the valley, as it gets no sunlight in the winter. So just a few days of freezing temps give a lovely winter wonderland look. Back to normal rainy and windy though for the last few days. Even though was SO freezing last week (and I feel it as only heat 1 room in the house LOL), I sure prefer this to rainy, cold and damp. Just below freezing is easier to deal with, my body just doesn't like humidity, hot or cold! Anyway, I liked this image so much, I finally got round to signing up to an image hosting sight and figuring out the right way to copy the url to share it with my tropical weather friends who also like wintery stuff! I tried to upload something last week, but found I couldn't link to the blog, was just on the photos section LOL





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That is a Perfect photo for next years Christmas Card.....
227. yoboi
Quoting AussieStorm:

The only problem I have with Sandy is with the NHC passing Sandy onto the NWS to issue watches and warnings, especially while Sandy was still a Hurricane.



wonder if they will be sued?
Quoting AussieStorm:

The only problem I have with Sandy is with the NHC passing Sandy onto the NWS to issue watches and warnings, especially while Sandy was still a Hurricane.
thats because it was a transitioning x-tropical cyclone with barcolnic forces at play more so then tropical forces at play even as it may landfall with an intact warm core surrounded by cold core forces it was in fact an enity of two types
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

The redirect was added shortly after the storm dissipated. The discussion is whether it--the term "Superstorm Sandy"--should be added into the first sentence of the lede or not.

Is there anyway I can join the conversation or no?
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

The redirect was added shortly after the storm dissipated. The discussion is whether it--the term "Superstorm Sandy"--should be added into the first sentence of the lede or not.

Obviously it should not.
Quoting mitthbevnuruodo:


That whole storm has been something you don't want to see. Terrible for them, but can't help but think if a storm of that intensity behaved the way it did somewhere even more populous. I know these places expect to get a hit sometimes, but the way this one meandered and then strengthened. Not the kind of thing you wish on anyone. Would have been a lovely storm to watch in open waters.

all powerful storms are awesome to watch out at sea but they become cringe worthy when they directly impact human life and well being.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
thats because it was a transitioning x-tropical cyclone with barcolnic forces at play more so then tropical forces at play even as it may landfall with an intact warm core surrounded by cold core forces it was in fact an enity of two types

Sandy only become Post tropical 30miles from landfall. And which "normal" non weather following person knows the difference between Hurricane and Post tropical
Quoting wxchaser97:

I think I am seeing it this weekend.

More severe storms are in the forecast for tomorrow. Been somewhat of an active couple days.


I work next to the main theater for North Wales...and so far everyone I have asked, has really enjoyed it, aside from the runtime! wondering if I can convince my daughter to go see it, though I doubt it as she really hates seeing movies in theaters for some reason!

Hope anyone in range of those storms stays safe! I get loads of rain here, but so rarely have to deal with proper severe weather....most thankfully.

I just want to say Wash...so sorry winter's not behaving so far! Hope you get some proper snow, and soon!!

Quoting wxchaser97:

Is there anyway I can join the conversation or no?
...Why couldn't you?
For West Palm Beach...

Quoting KoritheMan:

...Why couldn't you?

I just don't know where to join...
Quoting wxchaser97:

I just don't know where to join...

Get to the end of the line, lol
Hi Kori...in the Christmas spirit or feel like a Scrooge?
Quoting AussieStorm:

Sandy only become Post tropical 30miles from landfall. And which "normal" non weather following person knows the difference between Hurricane and Post tropical
in the end sandy proved to be a tricky storm the likes of which have not been seen before or never seen again hopefully
Quoting AussieStorm:

Sandy only become Post tropical 30miles from landfall. And which "normal" non weather following person knows the difference between Hurricane and Post tropical


Aye, and why I reckon should make sure the 'superstorm' part is still prominent, despite my personal opinion or not about that name.


And thanks very much PedleyCA, very kind!

Quoting wxchaser97:

I just don't know where to join...



Link
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
in the end sandy proved to be a tricky storm the likes of which have not been seen before or never seen again hopefully

Which part of NOAA has the better expertise when it comes to a system like Sandy, the NHC or NWS?
Quoting KoritheMan:




Link

Thanks Kori.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
We're having a bit of a...debate on Wikipedia, revolving around whether or not the name "Superstorm Sandy" is too 'sensational' to add to the first sentence of the lead. Numerous official, trustworthy organizations such as several local National Weather Service offices, the Red Cross, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration itself have dubbed the storm as the aforementioned nickname, so we have the sources need be. I would like you guys' thoughts: should the name "Superstorm Sandy" be included in its article or not?


Have you also inserted the name "Frankenstorm Sandy"
Quoting AussieStorm:

Which part of NOAA has the better expertise when it comes to a system like Sandy, the NHC or NWS?
both NHC for the cane part NWS for the nor'easter type but hurricane centre chose to pass it over tO the NWS for reasons known only to them

Lovely

Quoting mitthbevnuruodo:
To lighten the mood a bit, a photo from here by my place in North Wales last week. No snow, was just a few days worth of frost donw in the valley, as it gets no sunlight in the winter. So just a few days of freezing temps give a lovely winter wonderland look. Back to normal rainy and windy though for the last few days. Even though was SO freezing last week (and I feel it as only heat 1 room in the house LOL), I sure prefer this to rainy, cold and damp. Just below freezing is easier to deal with, my body just doesn't like humidity, hot or cold! Anyway, I liked this image so much, I finally got round to signing up to an image hosting sight and figuring out the right way to copy the url to share it with my tropical weather friends who also like wintery stuff! I tried to upload something last week, but found I couldn't link to the blog, was just on the photos section LOL





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Quoting mitthbevnuruodo:
To lighten the mood a bit, a photo from here by my place in North Wales last week. No snow, was just a few days worth of frost donw in the valley, as it gets no sunlight in the winter. So just a few days of freezing temps give a lovely winter wonderland look. Back to normal rainy and windy though for the last few days. Even though was SO freezing last week (and I feel it as only heat 1 room in the house LOL), I sure prefer this to rainy, cold and damp. Just below freezing is easier to deal with, my body just doesn't like humidity, hot or cold! Anyway, I liked this image so much, I finally got round to signing up to an image hosting sight and figuring out the right way to copy the url to share it with my tropical weather friends who also like wintery stuff! I tried to upload something last week, but found I couldn't link to the blog, was just on the photos section LOL





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Beautiful shot..looks inviting..
I'm gonna have to go to one of those image hosting sights myself..
I see you use ImageShack..did you like the experience and quality mitthbevnuruodo?
Ps. Thanks for lifting the mood in here.. :)
Oh My Gosh, the Channel 9 News just said they will have an exclusive and what the weather will be like here on Christmas day. That's 1 week away. They can't even get 3 days days out correct let alone 7 days out. If they say it's going to be showers or rain it will be hot and sunny, if they say hot and sunny it will be showers or raining.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

The redirect was added shortly after the storm dissipated. The discussion is whether it--the term "Superstorm Sandy"--should be added into the first sentence of the lede or not.


I knew you knew that (smile) and that it had been done. I was responding to someone who was concerned about it as a search term. And, no, I wouldn't put it in the lede.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
both NHC for the cane part NWS for the nor'easter type but hurricane centre chose to pass it over tO the NWS for reasons known only to them

And lets hope those reason are revealed and how it can be bettered with this review starting Jan 6th 2013.
Quoting AussieStorm:

Which part of NOAA has the better expertise when it comes to a system like Sandy, the NHC or NWS?


The NHC, it was a tropical cyclone that was aided by baroclinic forces. The NWS can issue it's own warnings, but Sandy was entirely the NHC's responsibility up until it became post-tropical and inland.

The name 'Superstorm' Sandy is somewhat idiotic to me, personally while we're on the subject. It was okay to have while it was approaching the United States, because it helped raise awareness as it approached, but it's completely useless and unnecessary now. The proper name is Hurricane Sandy, a tropical cyclone that became post-tropical at landfall. You might as well call Katrina, Wilma, Dean, Ike, and Irene 'Superstorms' because they were all predicted to be extremely destructive in their own respective manners and were predicted to go post-tropical.
Quoting AussieStorm:

And lets hope those reason are revealed and how it can be bettered with this review starting Jan 6th 2013.
there is always a way to do things better

imho i always figured it was to have the insurance companies hurricane deductable removed as so people would get better cost coverage for there damage but i am more than likly wrong but then again who knows
The Tropical Cyclone Report for Hurricane Sandy will be released in February, FWIW.
Quoting CybrTeddy:


The NHC, it was a tropical cyclone that was aided by baroclinic forces. The NWS can issue it's own warnings, but Sandy was entirely the NHC's responsibility up until it became post-tropical and inland.

The name 'Superstorm' Sandy is somewhat idiotic to me, personally while we're on the subject. It was okay to have while it was approaching the United States, because it helped raise awareness as it approached, but it's completely useless and unnecessary now. The proper name is Hurricane Sandy, a tropical cyclone that became post-tropical at landfall. You might as well call Katrina, Wilma, Dean, Ike, and Irene 'Superstorms' because they were all predicted to be extremely destructive in their own respective manners and were predicted to go post-tropical.


I concur Ted.
I also still like Frankenstorm ;)


Question. In the South Pacific, RSMC Nadi issues advisories on tropical cyclones in the South Pacific and gives each one a suffix 'F'. Does anyone know what the F means?
I disagree.
Quoting Grothar:
I disagree.


I agree with what you disagree with Gro. Now tell me what I disagree with.
Evening everyone, good morning Aussie!

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
The Tropical Cyclone Report for Hurricane Sandy will be released in February, FWIW.


My report for Gordon will be done in a couple of days. Something you need to catch up on.
Quoting KoritheMan:


According to whom?

TropicalAnalystwx13.
Quoting KoritheMan:


My report for Gordon will be done in a couple of days. Something you need to catch up on.

I have been too busy to do them. I can't wait for Christmas break to begin!
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

TropicalAnalystwx13.


Life doesn't revolve around you.
Quoting wxchaser97:

I have been too busy to do them. I can;t wait for Christmas break to begin!


You actually have an excuse. TA is just lazy.
Quoting indianrivguy:
Evening everyone, good morning Aussie!



Evening IRG!
Fiji Meteorological Services
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #29
SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE EVAN, CATEGORY THREE (04F)
12:00 PM FST December 18 2012
===================================

A GALE WARNING REMAINS IN FORCE FOR KADAVU (Fiji/Rotuma)

At 0:00 AM UTC, Severe Tropical Cyclone Evan (970 hPa) located at 20.3S 177.5E has 10 minute sustained winds of 80 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving south southeast at 8 knots. Position good based on visible imagery and peripheral surface reports.

Hurricane Force Winds
========================
15 NM from the center

Storm Force Winds
====================
30 NM from the center

Gale Force Winds
================
100 NM from the center in southern semi-circle
90 NM from the center in northeast quadrant
60 NM from the center in northwest quadrant

Area of deep convection has decreased in the last 12 hours. Eye discernible in visible past 3 hours. Cyclone lies under an upper diffluent region. Outflow good to the south but restricted elsewhere. EVAN lies in a moderate to heavy sheared environment. Sea surface temperature is around 27C. Dvorak analysis based on embedded center with B surround giving DT=5.0, MET=5.0, PT=4.5. Final Dvorak T number based on DT.

Dvorak Intensity: T5.5/5.0/W1.0/24 HRS

Forecast and Intensity
=====================
12 HRS: 21.5S 177.6E - 70 knots (CAT 3/Severe Tropical Cyclone)
24 HRS: 22.5S 177.7E - 60 knots (CAT 2/Tropical Cyclone)
48 HRS: 24.9S 177.7E - 45 knots (CAT 1/Tropical Cyclone)
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

TropicalAnalystwx13.

You aren't official though.

Quoting KoritheMan:


You actually have an excuse. TA is just lazy.

Yes he is, but yet I can be at times too.
Quoting KoritheMan:


My report for Gordon will be done in a couple of days. Something you need to catch up on.

I will get caught up on Wednesday when I get out for Christmas break.
Quoting wxchaser97:

You aren't official though.


Yes he is, but yet I can be at times too.


But you're not this time. Which makes you better than he is.
Quoting wxchaser97:

You aren't official though.


Yes he is, but yet I can be at times too.


I'm sorry did someone say lazy? I'd have joke about my laziness, but I don't feel like thinking one up.
Quoting KoritheMan:


Life doesn't revolve around you.

Well technically, it doesn't revolve around anybody.

Quoting KoritheMan:


You actually have an excuse. TA is just lazy extremely busy.


God I hate doing dumbbell squats. Talk about pain...
Quoting indianrivguy:
Evening everyone, good morning Aussie!


Afternoon mate!
Currently 81.3°F and beautiful blue skies here.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I will get caught up on Wednesday when I get out for Christmas break.

That is unfair, I get out on Friday after 3 tests.

Quoting KoritheMan:


But you're not this time. Which makes you better than he is.

Well... I have been mostly busy and like 10-15% lazy but yeah. Finally the 2 weeks from H... are over halfway done.
Quoting KoritheMan:
God I hate doing dumbbell squats. Talk about pain...


Too easy Mr. Scrooge....
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


I agree with what you disagree with Gro. Now tell me what I disagree with.



Good link here on the past discussion on Sandy.

Link
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Too easy Mr. Scrooge....

He's just a baby.

(If anybody is wondering why my comment count gets so high, it's because of nights like this when Kori and I argue and we do rapid posting.)
You know, the damage on Hatteras Island post Isabel is oddly similar to the damage in Seaside Heights, NJ post Sandy. Guess it's representative of the geology on the East Coast barrier islands.

Hatteras, NC:


Seaside Heights, NJ:
Quoting WxGeekVA:


I'm sorry did someone say lazy? I'd have joke about my laziness, but I don't feel like thinking one up.


:)
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Too easy Mr. Scrooge....


I don't do strength training though. Mine are mostly cardio.
Quoting Grothar:



Good link here on the past discussion on Sandy.

Link


Read it Gro...NHC has made the changes so that this doesn't happen again. Case Closed.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

He's just a baby.

(If anybody is wondering why my comment count gets so high, it's because of nights like this when Kori and I argue and we do rapid posting.)

Then how does he have almost 10,000 fewer comments than you :P
Quoting MAweatherboy1:

Then how does he have almost 10,000 fewer comments than you :P

Shhh, nobody has time for that kind of logic tonight!
Quoting yoboi:



was it a hurricane at landfall???
no.

Quoting CybrTeddy:


The NHC, it was a tropical cyclone that was aided by baroclinic forces. The NWS can issue it's own warnings, but Sandy was entirely the NHC's responsibility up until it became post-tropical and inland.

The name 'Superstorm' Sandy is somewhat idiotic to me, personally while we're on the subject. It was okay to have while it was approaching the United States, because it helped raise awareness as it approached, but it's completely useless and unnecessary now. The proper name is Hurricane Sandy, a tropical cyclone that became post-tropical at landfall. You might as well call Katrina, Wilma, Dean, Ike, and Irene 'Superstorms' because they were all predicted to be extremely destructive in their own respective manners and were predicted to go post-tropical.
I disagree. The extratropical transition Sandy underwent was unique in that it allowed the storm to continue to intensify right up to landfall. Most extratropically transitioning storms are weakening and moving out to sea. Sandy was certainly a unique storm that was not tropical at landfall, which warrants a special title, imo.

...though really, its a wikipedia title...I don't think readers will even notice a change in the title.
Quoting KoritheMan:


I don't do strength training though. Mine are mostly cardio.


I was typing about the dumbbell part.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Well technically, it doesn't revolve around anybody.





You haven't met my ex...
Quoting KoritheMan:


I don't do strength training though. Mine are mostly cardio.

I'm doing weight lifting, core exercises, and leg exercises to get more fit and stronger.

Whoopee I could get an inch of snow from this winter storm. It doesn't sound like much but already being over 4" below average it helps.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Shhh, nobody has time for that kind of logic tonight!


Quality > Quantity
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Read it Gro...NHC has made the changes so that this doesn't happen again. Case Closed.


I read it, that is why I posted it. Case re-opened.
278. Grothar 9:28 PM EST on December 17, 2012 +0
Quoting WxGeekVA:


I'm sorry did someone say lazy? I'd have joke about my laziness, but I don't feel like thinking one up.


:)
--------------------

I heard he is so lazy he hates to empty the recycle bin on his pc....

: )
Quoting wxchaser97:

I'm doing weight lifting, core exercises, and leg exercises to get more fit and stronger.

Whoopee I could get an inch of snow from this winter storm. It doesn't sound like much but already being over 4" below average it helps.


Cerebral aerobics are much better.
I do wonder about my comment count sometimes though...

I go to school eight hours a day Monday through Friday. I do post from school occasionally, but it's only a few posts, if that. And on weekends I'm usually too busy with work or go out so much that I don't get to post all day.

I don't know...
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Quality > Quantity

How about quality and quantity?

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Shhh, nobody has time for that kind of logic tonight!

You also have 305 less blog posts than he does.
Quoting wxchaser97:

I'm doing weight lifting, core exercises, and leg exercises to get more fit and stronger.

Whoopee I could get an inch of snow from this winter storm. It doesn't sound like much but already being over 4" below average it helps.


I doubt you even lift TA... Does anyone else even lift?
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
The Tropical Cyclone Report for Hurricane Sandy will be released in February, FWIW.
For all the talk of a hurricane warning versus extra-tropical warnings for Sandy, I recall reading that just over half of those who died in NOLA from Katrina had a car in their driveway. Despite Katrina being a Cat 5 heading for NOLA 24 hours beforehand.

It is just a fact of life that some will not evacuate no matter how dire the threat, and then some of those will complain afterwards that they did not have sufficient warning. You can't fix stupid.
WeatherBrains episode 360 is now live.


Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I'm usually too busy with work
lol yeah right
"Mayor Bloomberg was confused at one point over the weekend whether Sandy was a hurricane," Myers said.


.
Quoting Grothar:


Cerebral aerobics are much better.


That's why I post.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I do wonder about my comment count sometimes though...

I go to school eight hours a day Monday through Friday. I do post from school occasionally, but it's only a few posts, if that. And on weekends I'm usually too busy with work or go out so much that I don't get to post all day.

I don't know...


I thought we covered this a few months ago. 20,000 of your posts are the NHC updates.

Quoting indianrivguy:
"Mayor Bloomberg was confused at one point over the weekend whether Sandy was a hurricane," Myers said.


.
She was a thingamabobbercane.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I do wonder about my comment count sometimes though...

I go to school eight hours a day Monday through Friday. I do post from school occasionally, but it's only a few posts, if that. And on weekends I'm usually too busy with work or go out so much that I don't get to post all day.

I don't know...


Weird cause I check the blog on occasion when I'm out on weekends from my phone and almost always see you here...
Quoting indianrivguy:
"Mayor Bloomberg was confused at one point over the weekend whether Sandy was a hurricane," Myers said.


.
Like I said, you can't fix stupid. Maybe the NHC should have declared Sandy to be a Big Gulp. Bloomie would have reacted with all due haste to that.
Quoting wxchaser97:

I'm doing weight lifting, core exercises, and leg exercises to get more fit and stronger.

Whoopee I could get an inch of snow from this winter storm. It doesn't sound like much but already being over 4" below average it helps.

I think you should be working on a tan instead.

Quoting Grothar:


I thought we covered this a few months ago. 20,000 of your posts are the NHC updates.

I think your onto something...

Quoting wxgeek723:


Weird cause I check the blog on occasion when I'm out on weekends from my phone and almost always see you here...

I didn't say I don't post. I just said I'm not able to post all day which would give me a comment count like I have now.
It looks a lot like December out there...

Glad to see we're back on topic. :D

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I think you should be working on a tan instead.

Irony.

Quoting Slamguitar:
Glad to see we're back on topic. :D
Your sarcasm is obvious from a mile away. And guess what? It's not funny.

Quoting MAweatherboy1:
It looks a lot like December out there...

Where's my snow?
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I think you should be working on a tan instead.


I think your onto something...


I didn't say I don't post. I just said I'm not able to post all day which would give me a comment count like I have now.


Well whats that make my post count from :p
Quoting KoritheMan:

Where's my snow?

You live in Louisiana. You don't get snow. Heck, I barely even get snow anymore and I'm up here.
Quoting KoritheMan:

Where's my snow?
would a blizzard of snow due
Quoting WxGeekVA:


I doubt you even lift TA... Does anyone else even lift?
Well, I used to lift heavy. Now that I'm older, I do a lot of light reps to build endurance. The ol' tendons in the shoulder can't carry the load like they used to (I know, I learned the hard way that they cannot).
Quoting KoritheMan:

Where's my snow?

Who said you got to own snow?
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Who said you got to own snow?

I own the snow, and I barely have any.

Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
would a blizzard of snow due
Actually yes. I would love to experience a blizzard.
Lol...From the great Ed Sullivan...

whoops...gotta expand that map lots looking at those watches
Quoting KoritheMan:

Actually yes. I would love to experience a blizzard.


They're the best.
Actually Kori, just go to NW Kansas for a blizzard.

Blizzard Watch

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GOODLAND KS
242 PM MST MON DEC 17 2012

...STRONG STORM SYSTEM TO IMPACT TRI STATE AREA...

.A STORM SYSTEM WILL MOVE ACROSS THE MOUNTAINS AND INTO THE HIGH
PLAINS ON WEDNESDAY. THIS SYSTEM WILL BRING STRONG WINDS AND
ACCUMULATING SNOW TO MUCH OF THE AREA. SNOWFALL AMOUNT WILL BE
HIGHEST EAST OF A YUMA TO HILL CITY LINE.

COZ090>092-KSZ001>004-013>016-027>029-041-042-NEZ 079>081-180600-
/O.NEW.KGLD.BZ.A.0002.121219T1200Z-121220T0600Z/
YUMA-KIT CARSON-CHEYENNE CO-CHEYENNE KS-RAWLINS-DECATUR-NORTON-
SHERMAN-THOMAS-SHERIDAN-GRAHAM-WALLACE-LOGAN-GOVE -GREELEY-WICHITA-
DUNDY-HITCHCOCK-RED WILLOW-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...YUMA...WRAY...BURLINGTON...
CHEYENNE WELLS...ST. FRANCIS...ATWOOD...OBERLIN...NORTON...
GOODLAND...COLBY...HOXIE...HILL CITY...SHARON SPRINGS...OAKLEY...
QUINTER...TRIBUNE...LEOTI...BENKELMAN...TRENTON.. .MCCOOK
242 PM MST MON DEC 17 2012 /342 PM CST MON DEC 17 2012/

...BLIZZARD WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH
WEDNESDAY EVENING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN GOODLAND HAS ISSUED A BLIZZARD
WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM LATE TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH
WEDNESDAY EVENING.

* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...SNOW ACCUMULATIONS WILL VARY GREATLY ACROSS
THE AREA. 3 TO 6 INCHES ARE EXPECTED ALONG AND EAST OF A YUMA TO
HILL CITY LINE...WITH 1 TO 3 INCHES EXPECTED ELSEWHERE.

* TIMING...SNOW WILL BEGIN TO SPREAD ACROSS EASTERN COLORADO
WEDNESDAY MORNING SPREADING ACROSS THE ENTIRE AREA THROUGH THE
DAY. STRONG NORTHERLY WINDS WILL DEVELOP DURING THE MORNING
HOURS AND CONTINUE THROUGH THE EVENING.

* IMPACTS...THE STRONG WINDS WILL COMBINE WITH FALLING SNOW WILL
PRODUCE SIGNIFICANT BLOWING SNOW...EVEN IN AREAS WHERE SNOWFALL
WILL NOT BE PARTICULARLY HEAVY.

* WINDS...NORTH 25 TO 35 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 45 MPH. THE
STRONGEST WINDS ARE EXPECTED DURING THE EARLY AFTERNOON.


PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A BLIZZARD WATCH MEANS THAT STRONG WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO COMBINE
WITH SNOW OR BLOWING SNOW TO PRODUCE WHITEOUT CONDITIONS. TRAVEL
MAY BECOME EXTREMELY DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE WHICH COULD
RESULT IN A LIFE-THREATENING SITUATION. STAY TUNED FOR LATER
FORECASTS AND UPDATES ON THIS WINTER STORM.

&&

$$

JRM




I'm sick of high school. I'd rather go to college already. One step closer to working at the National Hurricane Center.

Quoting wxgeek723:


They're the best.
It's essentially a snow tropical storm,  which sounds awesome.
Quoting wxgeek723:


They're the best.


Blizzards are fun while they are happening IF you are safe and warm at home, with enough food, water and heat. Walking in them can also be a lot of fun, but driving is a misery. I love to sit by the wood stove, an inch of cognac in a crystal snifter and watch the snow cover the woods behind the house hour after hour. However, I am really glad someone else gets paid to shovel 200 feet of driveway.
Quoting wxgeek723:


They're the best.

No. Saw one once. People froze to death. Be careful what you wish for.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
The Tropical Cyclone Report for Hurricane Sandy will be released in February, FWIW.
Oh man !! I am so going to loose in the betting pools.:(
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I'm sick of high school. I'd rather go to college already. One step closer to working at the National Hurricane Center.
Come on you will miss high school when you are in college.I am just about to go to college and I don`t want to.will miss my friends and all.

Quoting bappit:

No. Saw one once. People froze to death. Be careful what you wish for.
I could wish for that 1000 times and still never got one in Louisiana.
Quoting KoritheMan:

Actually yes. I would love to experience a blizzard.


I did back on December 26, 2010 here in the NYC area...where are you at?
Pretty cool...

Quoting KoritheMan:

It's essentially a snow tropical storm,  which sounds awesome.



It's only awesome if it gets you out of school :))

Seriously, think about it. The wind is so cold, it sucks the air right out of your lungs and bites off your ears. There are not enough layers of clothes in the world that will keep the snow from blowing through at 50 mph, right to the skin. The snow piles up, you blow out the driveway, and it drifts shut behind you so that you blow it all out again. Car batteries die and the hood is frozen shut. I kid you not, we had a -20 arctic outbreak about 20 years ago and we were not winterproofed as well as we are now. The lightbulbs in the house were frozen until we turned them on. It isn't as much fun as sounds :)
Quoting goosegirl1:



It's only awesome if it gets you out of school :))

Seriously, think about it. The wind is so cold, it sucks the air right out of your lungs and bites off your ears. There are not enough layers of clothes in the world that will keep the snow from blowing through at 50 mph, right to the skin. The snow piles up, you blow out the driveway, and it drifts shut behind you so that you blow it all out again. Car batteries die and the hood is frozen shut. I kid you not, we had a -20 arctic outbreak about 20 years ago and we were not winterproofed as well as we are now. The lightbulbs in the house were frozen until we turned them on. It isn't as much fun as sounds :)


It is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be ..
Quoting Bielle:


Blizzards are fun while they are happening IF you are safe and warm at home, with enough food, water and heat. Walking in them can also be a lot of fun, but driving is a misery. I love to sit by the wood stove, an inch of cognac in a crystal snifter and watch the snow cover the woods behind the house hour after hour. However, I am really glad someone else gets paid to shovel 200 feet of driveway.
y


I could handle that kind of blizzard! If only I were retired, that is. If it only snows, and the wind isn't howling, there is no greater peace.

336. beell
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Ok.



That would be a little closer to the definition of "epic".
:-)
Just my personal opinion:

The NHC should have continued to have issued advisories on Sandy at least through landfall, maybe a little bit after as well. I personally feel that the switch over to the NWS, and the resulting public/media confusion, is one of the main reasons why the term "superstorm" was brought up. Had they just left it as Hurricane, and then gone back and fixed it in the post season, or made a note in the discussions, then i honestly feel the term "suprestorm" never would have come up.

And there is NHC precedence for that action. Most notably with the 1991 Perfect storm, which actually should have been named Henri, but was not named due to the fear of public confusion. Sometimes, its ok to bend the rules.

If I was writing a document, I would never refer to the storm as "Superstorm Sandy," but I would probably mention later on other names just as factoids/notes.
Quoting whitewabit:


It is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be ..


I have lived in the mountains for a lot of years. I am not exaggerating, I promise. Before we bought a snowblower, there were times when we had to pay to have the driveway plowed 3 times a day just to get to and from work because the wind drifted it shut as fast as you pushed the snow out.
Quoting beell:


That would be a little closer to the definition of "epic".
:-)

No kidding! If that were to verify, I could definitely see someone having issues.

Quoting whitewabit:


It is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be ..

The blizzard I was in had wind chills of -50F and not that much snow. I was outside once and was shivering almost immediately though at 0F and no wind I would have been quite comfortable. No joke that people froze to death.
Quoting indianrivguy:


I'll take that kind and skip the real ones this year!
I never fell a power of a hurricane :( it´s very sad seeing that people trying to survive for a disaster like that. :(
Quoting goosegirl1:


I have lived in the mountains for a lot of years. I am not exaggerating, I promise. Before we bought a snowblower, there were times when we had to pay to have the driveway plowed 3 times a day just to get to and from work because the wind drifted it shut as fast as you pushed the snow out.


I have been in much worse then you stated and you weren't prepared but doesn't mean everyone was.. there is clothing to wear that will keep you warm below -20 .. unless your house was unheated the light blubs weren't frozen ..
Closer to [my] home,

I find it amazing that New York's Mid-Hudson Valley may very well go through their second snowless December. We picked up 0.2 inches on the first of the month, but other than that, the last time that it snowed during the month of December was on December 27, 2010.

Almost certain that this is a first.
346. beell
Quoting 1900hurricane:

No kidding! If that were to verify, I could definitely see someone having issues.



The gate to the Arctic opens!


LOL go home NAM, you're drunk.
349. wxmod
Divided country. MODIS


Quoting goosegirl1:



It's only awesome if it gets you out of school :))

Seriously, think about it. The wind is so cold, it sucks the air right out of your lungs and bites off your ears. There are not enough layers of clothes in the world that will keep the snow from blowing through at 50 mph, right to the skin. The snow piles up, you blow out the driveway, and it drifts shut behind you so that you blow it all out again. Car batteries die and the hood is frozen shut. I kid you not, we had a -20 arctic outbreak about 20 years ago and we were not winterproofed as well as we are now. The lightbulbs in the house were frozen until we turned them on. It isn't as much fun as sounds :)
What's a little adventure, especially if the world is going to end Friday?
Houston Galveston forecast discussion:

WEAK SFC HIGH PRESSURE OVER THE AREA WILL ALLOW FOR A GOOD SET UP FOR RADIATIONAL COOLING TONIGHT. CALM WINDS...DRY AIR AND CLEAR SKIES SHOULD CONTINUE INTO TUE. DECIDED TO DROP MIN TEMPS A COUPLE OF DEGREES BASED ON SFC OBS AND TEMP TRENDS.
Here's one I remember well. We had 30 inches of snow, which is ok unless it's racing along with 60 mph winds:)Link
Quoting KoritheMan:

What's a little adventure, especially if the world is going to end Friday?


Such optimism! Take heart, maybe the end of the world will come by a blizzard in Louisiana.
355. beell
Quoting bappit:
Houston Galveston forecast discussion:

WEAK SFC HIGH PRESSURE OVER THE AREA WILL ALLOW FOR A GOOD SET UP FOR RADIATIONAL COOLING TONIGHT. CALM WINDS...DRY AIR AND CLEAR SKIES SHOULD CONTINUE INTO TUE. DECIDED TO DROP MIN TEMPS A COUPLE OF DEGREES BASED ON SFC OBS AND TEMP TRENDS.


(watch it there, bappit)
(lol)
Quoting beell:


The gate to the Arctic opens!

The ECMWF also looks to be in pretty good agreement with the GFS, considering the time frame. The 18Z looks like it could give some pretty good accumulating to my west and north. If only the Arctic gates were to open a little further, just for me...







I know it's speculation about something over a week out, but I have nothing really better to do... :P
Quoting whitewabit:


I have been in much worse then you stated and you weren't prepared but doesn't mean everyone was.. there is clothing to wear that will keep you warm below -20 .. unless your house was unheated the light blubs weren't frozen ..


Our home was new, and contactor did not seal the light fixtures as well as they could have. The wind came in the attic vent and down through the light fixtures, frosting the bulbs. We did fix this, btw :) and re-insulated everywhere after that storm was over. We underestimated winter on the Allegheny Front that year.
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Pretty cool...



Nowhere near the voice.
359. beell
Quoting 1900hurricane:

The ECMWF also looks to be in pretty good agreement with the GFS, considering the time frame. The 18Z looks like it could give some pretty good accumulating to my west and north. If only the Arctic gates were to open a little further, just for me...



I know it's speculation about something over a week out, but I have nothing really better to do... :P


Very broad upglide on the east side of the Rockies and northern plains.

Enjoy your Christmas break from TX A&M, 1900!

700mb @ 192hrs

TA, you need to fix the bombogenesis entry in Wiktionary. It definitely is a countable noun--if there is such a word.
Quoting KoritheMan:

What's a little adventure, especially if the world is going to end Friday?
Is that this week? Gosh, I better get my nails done.
;)
Quoting Barefootontherocks:
Is that this week? Gosh, I better get my nails done.
;)


Do not worry, Barefoot. The world will not end until the day after I win the Lotto. Just as I win the Lotto there will be an announcement that everything is over now! We are safe, for now. :-)
Quoting WxGeekVA:


LOL go home NAM, you're drunk.




it will get pull overe for driveing drunk
Quoting Barefootontherocks:
Is that this week? Gosh, I better get my nails done.
;)



Make sure you pay by credit card!
Blizzard Stories from the Encyclopedia of the Great Plains.

Warning: ghoulish.
Quoting AussieStorm:
Oh My Gosh, the Channel 9 News just said they will have an exclusive and what the weather will be like here on Christmas day. That's 1 week away. They can't even get 3 days days out correct let alone 7 days out. If they say it's going to be showers or rain it will be hot and sunny, if they say hot and sunny it will be showers or raining.
There forecast is based on ratings, not for the folks who actually need to know whats happening with there weather...;)
00Z GFS seems to be more or less continuing the trend.

Dang, if this were to verify...

Disappearing ice

Dec 17th 2012, 10:27 by G.D.

JAMES BALOG, a photographer and avid mountaineer, used to believe that climate change was over-hyped and over-politicised. But after visiting the Arctic to photograph glaciers in 2005 he was convinced that the impact was undeniable. "You could see landscapes that physically evoked a sense of mortality, retreat and change," he says. "I had looked at a lot of glaciers for a lot of years before that but I had never seen places where it was quite so expressive."

In 2007, he founded the Extreme Ice Survey, a long-term visual art and science project to record the shrinking of the Earth's glaciers using dozens of time-lapse cameras placed in 16 glacial locations around the world, such as in Alaska, Greenland and the Himalayas. "Chasing Ice", a new film directed by Jeff Orlowski, documents this project. It follows Mr Balog and his team across the Arctic as they collect the photo and video data, and illustrates the dramatic changes in the landscape over the last five years.

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When watching the time-lapse footage of the receding glaciers, it is almost unbelievable how fast these glaciers are shrinking. Did the results shock you?

It was completely stunning that we saw as much as we did almost right away. And it continues to be an amazing experience as an observer, a scientist, a photographer, to open those cameras and get those downloads every single time. It still kind of rattles the mind every time we get fresh pictures.

This is happening fast, isn't it.

Absolutely. I figured we wouldn't really have much to look at for about three years. And then, only if everything went perfectly. But to discover that after a month or two, or three, or four, we were seeing this epic action; we were truly stunned.

Why do you think climate change is such a divisive issue?

Climate change should not fundamentally be seen as a political or partisan issue, but it has been turned into a political football primarily by the climate deniers who have a vested interested in maintaining the status quo. That includes certain industrial interests, financial interests and political interests. There is an enormous amount of weight and firepower that is lined up behind keeping things as they are. They have done a terribly effective job of spreading misinformation, confusion and skepticism.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2012/12/q a-james-balog
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
Disappearing ice

Dec 17th 2012, 10:27 by G.D.

JAMES BALOG, a photographer and avid mountaineer, used to believe that climate change was over-hyped and over-politicised. But after visiting the Arctic to photograph glaciers in 2005 he was convinced that the impact was undeniable. %u201CYou could see landscapes that physically evoked a sense of mortality, retreat and change,%u201D he says. %u201CI had looked at a lot of glaciers for a lot of years before that but I had never seen places where it was quite so expressive.%u201D

In 2007, he founded the Extreme Ice Survey, a long-term visual art and science project to record the shrinking of the Earth%u2019s glaciers using dozens of time-lapse cameras placed in 16 glacial locations around the world, such as in Alaska, Greenland and the Himalayas. %u201CChasing Ice%u201D, a new film directed by Jeff Orlowski, documents this project. It follows Mr Balog and his team across the Arctic as they collect the photo and video data, and illustrates the dramatic changes in the landscape over the last five years.
I think by far the most alarming evidence of global warming is the rapid nature in which these changes in the Arctic have occurred. A lot of it has happened in the last five years.
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
Disappearing ice

Dec 17th 2012, 10:27 by G.D.

JAMES BALOG, a photographer and avid mountaineer, used to believe that climate change was over-hyped and over-politicised. But after visiting the Arctic to photograph glaciers in 2005 he was convinced that the impact was undeniable. "You could see landscapes that physically evoked a sense of mortality, retreat and change," he says. "I had looked at a lot of glaciers for a lot of years before that but I had never seen places where it was quite so expressive."

In 2007, he founded the Extreme Ice Survey, a long-term visual art and science project to record the shrinking of the Earth's glaciers using dozens of time-lapse cameras placed in 16 glacial locations around the world, such as in Alaska, Greenland and the Himalayas. "Chasing Ice", a new film directed by Jeff Orlowski, documents this project. It follows Mr Balog and his team across the Arctic as they collect the photo and video data, and illustrates the dramatic changes in the landscape over the last five years.

...


When watching the time-lapse footage of the receding glaciers, it is almost unbelievable how fast these glaciers are shrinking. Did the results shock you?

It was completely stunning that we saw as much as we did almost right away. And it continues to be an amazing experience as an observer, a scientist, a photographer, to open those cameras and get those downloads every single time. It still kind of rattles the mind every time we get fresh pictures.

This is happening fast, isn't it.

Absolutely. I figured we wouldn't really have much to look at for about three years. And then, only if everything went perfectly. But to discover that after a month or two, or three, or four, we were seeing this epic action; we were truly stunned.

Why do you think climate change is such a divisive issue?

Climate change should not fundamentally be seen as a political or partisan issue, but it has been turned into a political football primarily by the climate deniers who have a vested interested in maintaining the status quo. That includes certain industrial interests, financial interests and political interests. There is an enormous amount of weight and firepower that is lined up behind keeping things as they are. They have done a terribly effective job of spreading misinformation, confusion and skepticism.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2012/12/q a-james-balog


faster and faster
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Fiji Meteorological Services
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #30
SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE EVAN, CATEGORY THREE (04F)
18:00 PM FST December 18 2012
===================================

At 6:00 AM UTC, Severe Tropical Cyclone Evan (970 hPa) located at 20.9S 177.6E has 10 minute sustained winds of 80 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving south at 6 knots. Position fair based on hourly GMS infrared imagery and peripheral surface reports.

Hurricane Force Winds
========================
15 NM from the center

Storm Force Winds
====================
40 NM from the center

Gale Force Winds
================
160 NM from the center in the southern semi-circle
100 NM from the center elsewhere

Deep convection persistent over low level circulation center in past 12 hours. Cyclone lies east of an upper trough. EVAN lies under an upper diffluent region. Outflow good to the south but restricted elsewhere. System lies in a high sheared environment. Sea surface temperature is around 27C. Dvorak analysis based on embedded center with B surround giving DT=5.0, MET=4.5, PT=4.5. Final Dvorak T number based on DT. CI held up due to initial weakening.

Dvorak Intensity: T4.5/5.0/W1.0/24 HRS

Forecast and Intensity
=====================
12 HRS: 22.2S 177.7E - 70 knots (CAT 3/Severe Tropical Cyclone)
24 HRS: 23.5S 177.8E - 60 knots (CAT 2/Tropical Cyclone)
48 HRS: 26.5S 177.3E - 45 knots (CAT 1/Tropical Cyclone)
Good Morning folks!...7-day for Tampa Bay area...
Looks Like this second cold front gets to me Thursday
South Florida gets the fog today..................
Panhandle of florida looking better today.....
I'll probably post this again later since everyone's asleep and Masters might have a new blog today, but I just finished my (draft) TCR of Hurricane Gordon.

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Good morning everyone, sorry for going a little to far last night. The GFS is trending farther south with the big storm over Thursday and Friday. This is more in line with the ECMWF and could give me 1-2 maybe 3 inches of snow after lake effect and the change over.
Patrap pay attention tomorrow night,could get serious..
Good morning, everyone, evening Aussie. A chilly 39 degrees here. But supposed to warm up to 70 by this afternoon.
Good morning. There is a new invest at WPAC (93W) a little north from where Bopha formed.

Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


Keeper,

Thanks for "Extreme Ice". Very good info.
Off to teaching. Everyone have a great Tuesday! Aussie, if you're on, have a great Wednesday!
G'morning all!

I keep looking at those maps and somehow my deep-south blizzard doesn't want to show up.


sigh..
Morning Everybody! Us Sunshine State People are FINNALY getting a cold front, weak or strong I don't know. The good news is that we might just get it cold enough for a slight freeze. And maybe a cold Christmas... which would be nice. :-) I need to go to school now, so I'll be back on around noon!

Have a Great Morning!

WunderGirl12
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
G'morning all!

I keep looking at those maps and somehow my deep-south blizzard doesn't want to show up.


sigh..


lol. A deep south blizzard...hmmm...what weather phenomenon could produce a deep south blizzard?? I don't want to find out...

WunderGirl12
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:



I aways did like Oreos!
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


Keeper, "Extreme Ice" was very interesting, thank you for posting it up for us!
Alaska is still getting crushed with cold weather, look at the high in Fairbanks yesterday

History & Almanac
December 18, 2012 Max Temp Min Temp
Normal (PAFA) 5 F -13 F
Record (PAFA) 42 F (1935) -54 F (1933)
Yesterday -37 F -48 F
Yesterday's Heating Degree Days: 107

The high is 42 degrees below normal the low 35 degrees below normal

Briefing from NWS

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT...CORRECTED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FAIRBANKS AK
101 PM AKST MON DEC 17 2012

...COLD CONTINUES TO GRIP INTERIOR ALASKA...

COLD TEMPERATURES CONTINUE TO HAVE A STRONG HOLD ON INTERIOR
ALASKA THIS MORNING. MANY LOCATIONS ARE REPORTING TEMPERATURES
FROM 40 TO 50 DEGREES BELOW ZERO OR COLDER. A WEATHER SYSTEM
MOVING INTO WESTERN ALASKA WILL BRING SOME RELIEF FROM THE EXTREME
COLD FOR A FEW DAYS...BUT TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN WELL BELOW ZERO
OVER MOST OF THE INTERIOR THROUGH THE WEEK.

THE LOW TEMPERATURE OF 48 BELOW THIS MORNING AT THE FAIRBANKS
AIRPORT IS THE COLDEST PRE-CHRISTMAS TEMPERATURE IN FAIRBANKS
SINCE 1977...WHEN A LOW OF 52 BELOW WAS OBSERVED ON DECEMBER 13TH.
THIS MORNINGS LOW AT THE AIRPORT IS ALSO THE COLDEST TEMPERATURE
OBSERVED DURING THE MONTH OF DECEMBER SINCE 1999. ALTHOUGH
48 BELOW IS QUITE CHILLY...IT DOES NOT BREAK THE RECORD FOR
DECEMBER 17TH OF 52 BELOW WHICH WAS SET IN 1933.

THE FRIGID TEMPERATURES HAVE ALSO RESULTED IN THE FORMATION OF
DENSE ICE FOG AROUND SETTLEMENTS IN THE INTERIOR. IN THE
FAIRBANKS AREA...THERE IS NEAR ZERO VISIBILITY IN POPULATED AREAS
ON THE VALLEY FLOOR BUT CRYSTAL CLEAR SKIES OUTSIDE OF THE
IMMEDIATE URBAN AREA.

MONDAY MORNING LOW TEMPERATURES FROM AROUND THE INTERIOR:

FORT YUKON........................56 BELOW
LIVENGOOD.........................52 BELOW
MANLEY HOT SPRINGS................50 BELOW
NIKOLAI...........................51 BELOW
NENANA............................49 BELOW
ARCTIC VILLAGE....................47 BELOW
FAIRBANKS AIRPORT.................48 BELOW
NORTH POLE-WOODSMOKE SUBD.........48 BELOW
BETTLES...........................46 BELOW
TANANA............................45 BELOW
TOK...............................45 BELOW
MCGRATH...........................44 BELOW
UAF WEST RIDGE....................41 BELOW

$$

EWP

These are just brutal temps
Quoting WunderGirl12:


lol. A deep south blizzard...hmmm...what weather phenomenon could produce a deep south blizzard?? I don't want to find out...

WunderGirl12


Proboly an unusualy deep trough combined with a abnormaly southern strong low pressure system centered in the middle of Georgia. Also a series of highs spanning the plains and south-central Canada to pump cold air into the system.
Quoting FunnelVortex:


Proboly an unusualy deep trough combined with a abnormaly southern strong low pressure system centered in the middle of Georgia. Also a series of highs spanning the plains and south-central Canada to pump cold air into the system.


Thanks FunnelVortex! I didn't know that could happen. :-) Thanks for educating me!

WunderGirl12
Quoting WunderGirl12:


Thanks FunnelVortex! I didn't know that could happen. :-) Thanks for educating me!

WunderGirl12


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Yesterday there was a bit of talk about gun control in lite of Friday's massacres. According to Wikipedia the Bath school disaster was America's worse school disaster. It occurred on May 18, 1927. It happened in Bath Township in Clinton County, Michigan. 48 people lost there lives. 38 children, 4 teachers, 4other adults and the bomber. 58 other people were injured. This lunatic didnt use guns he used bombs.
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
G'morning all!

I keep looking at those maps and somehow my deep-south blizzard doesn't want to show up.


sigh..
Blizzard? Heck it hasnt rained here in over 2 months, I will take drizzle. 80 today and Wednesday here, hard to have snow when it is Spring time.
Quoting WunderBlogAdmin:
Hey everyone, we can understand the desire to discuss what happened in Newtown but this blog isn't the place. We let it go for a while but now the discussion belongs in another blog. Let's try to stay on topic here. Thanks.


...just incase you missed this post earlier.
The Storm of the Century, also known as the '93 Superstorm, or the (Great) Blizzard of 1993

Quoting FunnelVortex:


Link


Thanks for the link!

WunderGirl12
well best stay on topic toay i reckon
Fiji Meteorological Services
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #31
SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE EVAN, CATEGORY THREE (04F)
0:00 AM FST December 19 2012
===================================

At 12:00 PM UTC, Severe Tropical Cyclone Evan (963 hPa) located at 21.6S 177.8E has 10 minute sustained winds of 75 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving south southeast at 7 knots. Position fair based on hourly GMS infrared imagery and peripheral surface reports.

Hurricane Force Winds
========================
15 NM from the center

Storm Force Winds
====================
40 NM from the center

Gale Force Winds
================
160 NM from the center in the southern semi-circle
100 NM from the center elsewhere

Deep convection persistent over low level circulation center in past 12 hours. Cyclone lies under an upper diffluent region. Outflow good to the south and restricted elsewhere. EVAN lies in a high sheared environment. Sea surface temperature is around 27C. Dvorak analysis based on embedded center with LG surround giving DT=4.5, MET=4.0, PT=4.5. Final Dvorak T number based on MET. CI held up by 0.5 of FT as cyclone weakens.

Dvorak Intensity: T4.0/4.5/W1.5/24 HRS

Forecast and Intensity
=====================
12 HRS: 22.7S 177.9E - 60 knots (CAT 2/Tropical Cyclone)
24 HRS: 23.9S 177.9E - 45 knots (CAT 1/Tropical Cyclone)
48 HRS: 26.6S 177.3E - 30 knots (Tropical Depression)
The blog is dead.So it appears that when the cold air does FINALLY arrive we will be in a dry pattern.What type of stuff is this?!.This weather pattern is g__.
Re:#406, I was wondering same, Wash ... I figured we'd be dry if we had another warm winter, but now that the cold is coming it seems to me it should be packing more precip. Wonder if the reduced ground-level moisture dries out the atmosphere in winter the same as it does in summer....
Quoting OrchidGrower:
Re:#406, I was wondering same, Wash ... I figured we'd be dry if we had another warm winter, but now that the cold is coming it seems to me it should be packing more precip. Wonder if the reduced ground-level moisture dries out the atmosphere in winter the same as it does in summer....
I'm not to sure.Last fall it was very rainy and the following winter it wasn't.Which led to our drought here.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
well best stay on topic toay i reckon
Yeah Keep..you topic changer yoo..:)