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Despite a cool October, U.S. on track for its warmest year on record

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:06 PM GMT on November 10, 2012

For the first time in sixteen months, the contiguous U.S. has had a month with below-average temperatures, with October 2012 ranking as the 44th coldest (73rd warmest) October since record keeping began in 1895, said NOAA's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) in their latest State of the Climate report. Temperature extremes were scarce in October, as no states had a top-ten warmest or coldest October. Despite the cool October temperatures, the year-to-date period of January - October was the warmest such period on record for the contiguous U.S.--a remarkable 1.1°F above the previous record. Even if the remainder of 2012 ranks historically in the coldest one-third of November - Decembers ever seen, 2012 will beat out 1998 for warmest year. The first ten days of November have been warmer than average, and the next two weeks are predicted to also average out on the warm side, so it appears likely that we will have to have our coldest December on record in order to keep 2012 from setting the new mark. The November 2011 - October 2012 period was the warmest such 12-month period on record for the contiguous U.S., and the seven warmest 12-month periods since record keeping began in 1895 have all ended during 2012.

Texas had their 9th driest October on record last month, and Washington, Michigan Ohio, Maine, and Maryland had top-ten wettest Octobers; Delaware had their wettest October on record, thanks to rains from Hurricane Sandy. The area of the U.S. experiencing moderate-to-exceptional drought shrank from 65% at the beginning of October to 59% by November 6, with drought conditions improving across parts of the Midwest and Northeast, but worsening across portions of the Northern Rockies.


Figure 1. Year-to-date temperatures for the contiguous U.S. through October, compared to the previous record warmest years in U.S. history. The year-to-date period (thick black line) is 1.1°F warmer than the previous record, set in 1998. Even if the remainder of 2012 ranks historically in the coldest one-third of November - Decembers on record (dark blue line), 2012 will beat out 1998 for the warmest year on record. The data for 2012 are preliminary. Image credit: NOAA/NCDC.

Second most extreme January - October period on record
The year-to-date period was the second most extreme on record in the U.S., according to NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI), which tracks the percentage area of the contiguous U.S. experiencing top-10% and bottom-10% extremes in temperature, precipitation, and drought. The CEI was 38% during the year-to-date January - October period. This was exceeded only in 1998 (41%), and was nearly double the average value of 20%. Remarkably, 85% of the contiguous U.S. had maximum temperatures that were in the warmest 10% historically during the first ten months of 2012, and 76% of the U.S. of the U.S. had warm minimum temperatures in the top 10%. Both are records. The percentage area of the U.S. experiencing top-10% drought conditions was 28%, which was the 7th greatest since 1910. Only droughts in 2002, 1954 - 1956, and during the Dust Bowl years of 1931 and 1934 were more extreme for the January - October period. Heavy 1-day downpours were below average, though, with 8% of nation experiencing top-10% extremes in October 2012, compared to an average of 10%.


Figure 2. NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI) for January - October shows that 2012 had the second most extreme first ten months of the year on record, with 38% of the contiguous U.S. experiencing top-10% extreme weather.

The Atlantic is quiet
An area of disturbed weather about 1100 miles west of the Cape Verde Islands has been torn apart by wind shear of 30 - 50 knots. In their 1 pm EST Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave the disturbance a 0% chance of developing into a tropical cyclone by Monday. An area of low pressure is predicted to develop just north of Bermuda on Wednesday, and the GFS model predicts that this low could become a subtropical cyclone as moves north-northeastward out to sea late in the week.

Have a great weekend, and I'll be back on Monday with a new post.

Jeff Masters

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Reader Comments

Quoting Dakster:


You are getting your wish WxChaser97... A white thanksgiving.

I was dreaming of a white Christmas...just like the ones I used to know.
If I want a white xmas I have to go to the beach...
Quoting FunnelVortex:


The NHC really bothers me of late.
Hope you aren't losing any sleep
Chances for a white x-mas historically

The nao will hopefuly start going neg. by this weekend. If it does then we will need to keep a eye on the gulf coast to the east coast for any mishefs.
"Hurricane Sandy shakes the US".

Link

"Hurricane Sandy pummeled the United States from Florida to Wisconsin, and its fierce winds caused a vast swath of ground to shake, a new earthquake-monitoring animation shows".
Quoting Accu35blog:
The nao will hopefuly start going neg. by this weekend. If it does then we will need to keep a eye on the gulf coast to the east coast for any mishefs.
Is that someone that can't cook very well?
Quoting nymore:
Chances for a white x-mas historically


11-25% for me :'(
Quoting Accu35blog:
The nao will hopefuly start going neg. by this weekend. If it does then we will need to keep a eye on the gulf coast to the east coast for any mishefs.
Accu..... I honestly believe you will be ok in the gulf...... No excitement brewing
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
Hope you aren't losing any sleep


yeah really... You can always just not read anything from the NWS.

Plenty of better things out there to lose sleep over than just the NWS.
Quoting Dakster:


yeah really... You can always just not read anything from the NWS.

Plenty of better things out there to lose sleep over than just the NWS.
Agree.. I worry that Fetus may get injured in tonight "Gunsmoke".Now that is BIG
Quoting wxchaser97:

I was dreaming of a white Christmas...just like the ones I used to know.
May all your Christmas's be white
Hey its cool and everything if nobody wants to go with flow but here in alabama we see all kind of weather. I remember last year about this time it snow around turkey day. Im just saying that we need to keep a eye on storms in late nov. because it can happen. Oh yeah i can cook
Quoting Accu35blog:
Hey its cool and everything if nobody wants to go with flow but here in alabama we see all kind of weather. I remember last year about this time it snow around turkey day. Im just saying that we need to keep a eye on storms in late nov. because it can happen. Oh yeah i can cook
Accu.....And just what the heck happened to the "Tide" this weekend?
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
Accu.....And just what the heck happened to the "Tide" this weekend?


It rolled out...
Quoting Dakster:


It rolled out...
Not that I am a big fan.But I do believe that the Fighting Irishing looks great.I had an ex bf go there years ago while I was at OSU
Im a gator fan anyways because im from florida to begin with
Quoting Accu35blog:
Im a gator fan anyways because im from florida to begin with
It's a shame that Tebow is being swept under the carpet
Once I made it college and realized that the games are all about the $$$ and not about the sport itself - all I want to see these days is a good game.

Beginning to think that this is a slow weather day.
Quoting Matthias1967:


Stupid as obviously only tourists can be. Don't they have a clue how polluted with heavy metals and other dangerous chemicals the laguna still is?

Flood waters are always questionable at best. Can contain dangerous chemicals, typhoid, hepatitis, ...
Quoting Dakster:
Once I made it college and realized that the games are all about the $$$ and not about the sport itself - all I want to see these days is a good game.

Beginning to think that this is a slow weather day.
Such a beautiful day here in Palm Beach county......I love this time of year... The threat of tropical storms are waning everyday.
Quoting bappit:

Flood waters are always questionable at best. Can contain dangerous chemicals, typhoid, hepatitis, ...


Everytime I have been in an area that has seen a lot of damage due to a storm I have gotten sick. Lots of nasty stuff in the debris.

Quoting ncstorm:


and the NHC didnt issue hurricane warnings?

For shame! For sooth! Four for a dollar!
Only thing i can say is that aub. Sure sucks this year
I haven't had time to post on the hurricane blog since Sandy. I've watched hundreds of blobs in the Atlantic, and almost everyone never came near me. Sure there were a few: Floyd, Irene...but all of them did less than spectacular damage in my area. I was beginning to think that New Jersey was hurricane-proof. Then came Sandy, and it had a bullseye target for my hometown, Seaside Heights, which was ground zero. We had a 13 foot storm surge that submerged the barrier island where I lived with a mixture of sea water, sand, sea life, raw sewage and generalized muck. Every single building in the community was ruined, at least partially, by the coastal flooding from the storm. Rain and wind was a far less factor. My house is on the same street where the famous picture of the roller coaster in the ocean was taken. In one day, October 29th, my home and business were simultaneously destroyed. I knew it could happen, but the chances were so remote for such a perfect storm that I thought it wouldn't happen in my lifetime. When you've studied hurricanes for as long as I have, just short of 30 years, you think you're prepared for anything. For all my knowledge, I wasn't prepared nearly enough. I'm just totally in shock of how violent Sandy was and how destructive it was to my lifelong home. We will never be the same after this. It's been two weeks since the hurricane and they just started letting people try to go back and salvage their properties today! To say it is a hot mess would be overly kind. The bottom line is that I love to study storms, but it I've learned that it very easy to keep an emotional distance when the damage is somewhere else. Having been through the worst storm I will probably ever see has really opened my eyes to just how dangerous hurricanes can be. Like I said before, for all my knowledge, even I vastly underestimated Sandy's power until it hit me head-on. I'm glad it's the end of the hurricane season soon because I am suffering from hurricane fatigue. Next year, I'm sure I'll follow blobs again, but I will NEVER take them for granted, even if, "It's only a Category One." I saw the raw power from a Category One, and I don't think I'll like to see another anytime soon. Here is a LINK to a film I made of the aftermath of Sandy. The film has just over 18,000 views on youtube. God Bless all you hurricane bloggers, and see you next season!


HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA 1140 AM CST MON NOV 12 2012 THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR PORTIONS OF SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA...SOUTH MISSISSIPPI AND THE ADJACENT COASTAL WATERS. .DAY ONE...THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT AN ISOLATED THUNDERSTORM OR TWO WILL BE POSSIBLE ALONG AND AHEAD OF A COLD FRONT MOVING THROUGH THE AREA.

THE COLD FRONT CURRENTLY EXTENDS FROM NEAR WIGGINS MISSISSIPPI TO NEAR PORT SULPHUR AND WILL CONTINUE MOVING EASTWARD THIS AFTERNOON. A SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR ALL COASTAL WATERS OF SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA AND SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI DUE TO ONGOING STRONG WINDS BOTH AHEAD OF AND BEHIND THE COLD FRONT.

DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...TUESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY STRONG WINDS AND HAZARDOUS SEAS SHOULD BEGIN IMPROVING LATE TONIGHT AND INTO TUESDAY OVER THE COASTAL WATERS. THE SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT FOR THE TIDAL LAKES THROUGH TONIGHT...AND FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE COASTAL WATERS THROUGH TUESDAY AFTERNOON. OTHERWISE...


NO HAZARDOUS WEATHER IS EXPECTED THROUGH SATURDAY. .SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT... SPOTTER ACTIVATION IS NOT ANTICIPATED. $$
The 18z GFS showed a major storm late in the run. Long way out though.





RE - Post # 526- Godspeed Pete. I hope you recover quickly and Mother Nature is a bit easier on you for a while..:)
526. popartpete

Thanks for sharing,

...as we often say here, preparation is key in a Hurricane and the aftermath.

Once the winds die down, the real work begins.

Your experience will be a part of your life till your last day.

Share it with all you can,

"Calamity knows no border's, only mens minds and map's do"..


Nice to see you around Patrap. How is it going?
Quoting Patrap:
526. popartpete

Thanks for sharing,

...as we often say here, preparation is key in a Hurricane and the aftermath.

Once the winds die down, the real work begins.

Your experience will be a part of your life till your last day.

Share it with all you can,

"Calamity knows no border's, only mens minds and map's do"..


Greetings Pat. It seemed like you were away for a while..PortLight work?
Quoting hydrus:
Greetings Pat. It seemed like you were away for a while..PortLight work?



Working with Presslord,and healing a Hip replacement that got infected.

So thanks all round.

This disaster I've been observing from the bed, and PT room at the VA.


Quoting Dakster:
Nice to see you around Patrap. How is it going?


Been lurking a lot and watching all the good works here and other places.

Sandy was and is a lesson hard learned and well responded in most ways, and not so well in others, But these events tax even the best veterans of disasters.

536. etxwx
Post 526...popartpete, I'm glad you made it through with your person intact, and so sorry to hear about the destruction you have experienced. Thank you for posting, I hope folks heed your words...no hurricane or even "just a tropic storm" should ever be taken for granted. Best wishes to you and all the folks affected by this storm. You are in our thoughts.
re Post 528. No thanks.

I think we've had enough clean up from the last two - and we didn't even get smacked all that hard (comparatively) here in Newport. Roads out at Sachuest Beach are eroded, sand all over the places it isn't supposed to be. Going to be a lot of clean up/fix up needed in the beach and whart sections for Newport and Middletown before spring and the next tourist season arrive.
Quoting Patrap:


Been lurking a lot and watching all the good works here and other places.

Sandy was and is a lesson hard learned and well responded in most ways, and not so well in others, But these events tax even the best veterans of disasters.



Feel better my friend. and I agree.

Popartpete -- The bad news is that many people on this blog have been thru natural disasters in a bad way, myself included - the good news is that we have all come out of it 'ok' and have managed one way or another to get our lives back to 'normal'. Although, Psychologically we are all changed for life.
Quoting MAweatherboy1:
The 18z GFS showed a major storm late in the run. Long way out though.







where the rain/snow line?
Nothing yet by NHC on Atlantic area.

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
700 PM EST MON NOV 12 2012

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER STEWART
We just had an M2 class solar flare:



I've been updating by blog on solar weather all day if you're interested.

Link

Quoting uncwhurricane85:


where the rain/snow line?


Not sure exactly, but it looks like that would be snow for most areas affected. Such a long way out though I'm not even gonna bother to dig much deeper.
DocintheSwamp~ Good point. 5 days was probilby enough time to get everyone out & for those to secure their stuff that were going to. Maybe a better angle would have been better surge modeling could have saved more $, cars & lives. Levee failure seems rarely factored in. One failure in NJ put ~3/4 of a town on it's roof or attic... What you added really just strengthens the argument that overall Kerry comparing just the GFS to European for just Sandy was a pretty weak argument.

Hurricane Sandy Damage Amplified By Breakneck Development Of Coast
The Huffington Post | Posted: 11/12/2012 12:15 pm EST Updated: 11/12/2012 3:37 pm EST


By John Rudolf, Ben Hallman, Chris Kirkham, Saki Knafo and Matt Sledge

On the night that Hurricane Sandy hit the East Coast, Vinny Baccale was in his Staten Island living room, plotting a last-minute escape and regretting not evacuating, when his kids shouted to him from another room. Their neighbor was outside, trying to start his car in the rising water.

As Baccale stepped to his window, a six-foot wave swept down his block and over the man’s car, propelling it down the dark street. As the wave fell back, a flashlight in the car blinked on and off in distress. Then the waters surged again and covered the car. The light went out.

"We watched a neighbor drown," said Baccale, 35. "Maybe things like this happen in Florida, places like that. But never here."

With historic ferocity, Sandy pounded the shorelines where people like Baccale lived, leaving a trail of destruction without parallel in New York and New Jersey, two states that bore the brunt of the impact. The storm's most destructive feature was a wind-driven wall of water that swept in at high tide and engulfed low-lying coastal areas with an unrelenting fury.

The surge flattened whole communities on New Jersey's barrier islands, causing untold billions in damage, and topped seawalls in lower Manhattan and throughout the metropolitan area, plunging millions into darkness. It also claimed lives, especially on Staten Island, where 21 people drowned during the storm.

Given the size and power of the storm, much of the damage from the surge was inevitable. But perhaps not all. Some of the damage along low-lying coastal areas was the result of years of poor land-use decisions and the more immediate neglect of emergency preparations as Sandy gathered force, according to experts and a review of government data and independent studies.

Authorities in New York and New Jersey simply allowed heavy development of at-risk coastal areas to continue largely unabated in recent decades, even as the potential for a massive storm surge in the region became increasingly clear.

In the end, a pell-mell, decades-long rush to throw up housing and businesses along fragile and vulnerable coastlines trumped commonsense concerns about the wisdom of placing hundreds of thousands of closely huddled people in the path of potential cataclysms.




Just saw Dr. Masters on that NBC piece he spoke about that was delayed from last Friday. He looked good, thankfully, and sounded good as well. Plus he mentioned odds or probabilities, which is an added plus in my book. Almost came across as a skeptic, but he really was the voice of reason in saying the present climate wasn't necessarilly the cause of SuperStorm Sandy but merely raised the odds. I'd put the over/under on his next appearance on NBC at 12 1/2 days.
Post-Thanksgiving snowstorm on the GFS.

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Post-Thanksgiving snowstorm on the GFS.


The NAO looks like it will be coming negative which would allow for something along the coast. The problem is that the cold air has remained bottled up in Canada, so most storms the models have shown have been all rain. If we can get the cold down here then things will get interesting.
Please check the Portlight blog for new photos of Coney Island, post-Sandy. We're working with People's Relief to bring much-needed help to residents there. As always, we appreciate the support and generosity of the WU community!!
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
326 PM AST MON NOV 12 2012

PRC003-005-011-027-071-081-099-115-117-131-122030 -
ANASCO PR-LARES PR-MOCA PR-SAN SEBASTIAN PR-RINCON PR-AGUADILLA PR-
ISABELA PR-CAMUY PR-AGUADA PR-QUEBRADILLAS PR-
326 PM AST MON NOV 12 2012

AT 321 PM AST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR DETECTED A
STRONG THUNDERSTORM OVER SAN SEBASTIAN AND MOCA...MOVING NORTHWEST
AT 5 MPH. THIS STRONG THUNDERSTORM IS PRODUCING TORRENTIAL RAINFALL
AND DANGEROUS CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING OVER NORTHWESTERN PUERTO
RICO. ALSO...SOME WIND GUSTS BETWEEN 30 AND 40 MPH ARE POSSIBLE WITH
THIS STORM.

HEAVY RAINS MAY FLOOD LOW LYING AREAS SUCH AS DITCHES AND
UNDERPASSES. AVOID THESE AREAS AND DO NOT CROSS FLOODED ROADS AS THEY
MAY BE WASHED OUT. WATER LEVELS OF SMALL STREAMS AND RIVERS MAY ALSO
RISE...THEREFORE SEEK HIGHER GROUND IF THREATENED BY FLOOD WATERS.

INTENSE LIGHTNING IS REPORTED WITH THIS STORM. IF OUTDOORS...STAY
AWAY FROM ISOLATED HIGH OBJECTS SUCH AS TREES. MOVE INDOORS IF
POSSIBLE. WHEN INDOORS...STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS AND DOORS AND AVOID
USING TELEPHONES UNLESS IT IS AN EMERGENCY. TRY TO UNPLUG UNNECESSARY
ELECTRICAL APPLIANCES BEFORE THE THUNDERSTORM APPROACHES.

$$

ER
Quite a surprise that strong thunders storm, a few trees down here in Moca, Puerto Rico...
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:
What's this in the Central-Eastern Atlantic?

Surprised it hasn't been mentioned here.
Agree, been watching that for quite a while. The reason it hasn't been mention is lack of models support.
Pat, Glad your feeling better and recovering, I wanted to reiterate my thanks you from last week. Sandy was a hell of a wake up call and even though me and the family came through with flying colors I never would have thought of some of the simple things, me and my neighbors ate really well as my freezers got warmer but the advanced planning allowed us to be well fed and keep the house tolerable throughout. Thanks again for always pounding home the advance planning message It saved our butts up here
DR Jeff
good seeing you on NBC Nightly News. Is a segment on Rock Center coming anytime soon? Would love to see that.
553. etxwx
Today's weather here in East Texas was gorgeous! The day was spent putting up the portable greenhouse, dragging the tender plants inside and winterizing the garden...forecast low tonight is 35F. The only bad thing is we did not get much rain (less than a quarter inch) out of the cold front, but at least we did not have any severe weather either.

Just saw Dr. Masters on NBC...brief, very brief appearance - sorry there wasn't more. But it was a good segment nonetheless.
The Weather Channel is going a little too far. This morning, we had to concern ourselves here in NJ with Small Fog Bank Ferdinand. Tonight,Strong Cold Front Luigi is barrelling down on us.

Names are for Hurricanes. Period. Stop The Madness!!!
Quoting goalexgo:
The Weather Channel is going a little too far. This morning, we had to concern ourselves here in NJ with Small Fog Bank Ferdinand. Tonight,Strong Cold Front Luigi is barrelling down on us.

Names are for Hurricanes. Period. Stop The Madness!!!


Don't worry, gentle breeze spartan will be there tomorrow.
Quoting goalexgo:
The Weather Channel is going a little too far. This morning, we had to concern ourselves here in NJ with Small Fog Bank Ferdinand. Tonight,Strong Cold Front Luigi is barrelling down on us.

Names are for Hurricanes. Period. Stop The Madness!!!
at least no thunderstorms named Zuese
Quoting goalexgo:
The Weather Channel is going a little too far. This morning, we had to concern ourselves here in NJ with Small Fog Bank Ferdinand. Tonight,Strong Cold Front Luigi is barrelling down on us.

Names are for Hurricanes. Period. Stop The Madness!!!

"Names are for Hurricanes. Period." is a bad reason not to name winter storms, don't you think?
Here's the segment with Jeff Masters on NBC. Looking good Jeff:)
Good late day picture of the Alaska storm:

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

"Names are for Hurricanes. Period." is a bad reason not to name winter storms, don't you think?
No. Winter Storms occur way too frequently, and very few are anything new, especially up north. For 60 years we've given names to tropical systems. It is barely November, and we are already on the "C" storm. I seriously doubt anyone will remember or tell stories of Brutus in a month, let alone 10 years. Donna, Camille, Opal, Hattie, Sandy, Hazel, Katrina, Ike,Hugo,Wilma, Gilbert...we wont be forgetting any of those storms in our lifetime. I will never get used to this stupidity, never accept it. It is silly, subjective, and takes the dumbing down of America one step further. Thank you to the folks that programmed "A Flick and a Forecast"....on a night a few years ago when there was a tornado outbreak on the upper plains, and people died. I absolutely detest this nonsense.

Quoting Skyepony:
Here's the segment with Jeff Masters on NBC.


Very brief appearance ..
Quoting goalexgo:
No. Winter Storms occur way too frequently, and very few are anything new, especially up north. For 60 years we've given names to tropical systems. It is barely November, and we are already on the "C" storm. I seriously doubt anyone will remember or tell stories of Brutus in a month, let alone 10 years. Donna, Camille, Opal, Hattie, Sandy, Hazel, Katrina, Ike,Hugo,Wilma, Gilbert...we wont be forgetting any of those storms in our lifetime. I will never get used to this stupidity, never accept it. It is silly, subjective, and takes the dumbing down of America one step further. Thank you to the folks that programmed "A Flick and a Forecast"....on a night a few years ago when there was a tornado outbreak on the upper plains, and people died. I absolutely detest this nonsense.


Remember in May when we had two storms so were at the "C" storm for the hurricane season...
The Dynamic Trio

567. etxwx
China builds tower-type solar-thermal power station

China Daily - 2012-11-13
BEIJING - The first megawatt-level tower-type solar-thermal power station in Asia has been built in northwest Beijing, chief of the program said on Monday.

Wang Zhifeng, a researcher at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, said the station is operating in stable condition, using a 1.5-megawatt steam turbo-generator to generate electricity.

"The solar-thermal power station will transform solar energy into heat energy to generate electricity," said Wang, adding that the six-year program has helped to promote Chinese solar-thermal power generation technology.

Ma Guangcheng, manager of the power station, said the station will reduce annual emissions of carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide by 2,336 tonnes and 17.5 tonnes, respectively compared with traditional thermal power stations.

According to Ma, the power station is capable of generating 1.95 million kilowatt hours of electricity annually.
Quoting etxwx:
China builds tower-type solar-thermal power station

China Daily - 2012-11-13
BEIJING - The first megawatt-level tower-type solar-thermal power station in Asia has been built in northwest Beijing, chief of the program said on Monday.

Wang Zhifeng, a researcher at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, said the station is operating in stable condition, using a 1.5-megawatt steam turbo-generator to generate electricity.

"The solar-thermal power station will transform solar energy into heat energy to generate electricity," said Wang, adding that the six-year program has helped to promote Chinese solar-thermal power generation technology.

Ma Guangcheng, manager of the power station, said the station will reduce annual emissions of carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide by 2,336 tonnes and 17.5 tonnes, respectively compared with traditional thermal power stations.

According to Ma, the power station is capable of generating 1.95 million kilowatt hours of electricity annually.


I sure wish we would get on the ball!
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

"Names are for Hurricanes. Period." is a bad reason not to name winter storms, don't you think?


Considering that's the same guy who was arguing continually that Sandy was an overhyped non-event because it wasn't affecting him... well before it hit, you really can't take what he says seriously.
Quoting goalexgo:
No. Winter Storms occur way too frequently, and very few are anything new, especially up north. For 60 years we've given names to tropical systems. It is barely November, and we are already on the "C" storm. I seriously doubt anyone will remember or tell stories of Brutus in a month, let alone 10 years. Donna, Camille, Opal, Hattie, Sandy, Hazel, Katrina, Ike,Hugo,Wilma, Gilbert...we wont be forgetting any of those storms in our lifetime. I will never get used to this stupidity, never accept it. It is silly, subjective, and takes the dumbing down of America one step further. Thank you to the folks that programmed "A Flick and a Forecast"....on a night a few years ago when there was a tornado outbreak on the upper plains, and people died. I absolutely detest this nonsense.


Brutus was a significant winter storm, not a historic one like the hurricanes you mentioned above. By that logic, I guess you'd agree to only name significant tropical cyclones, since many that are named do nothing.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Brutus was a significant winter storm, not a historic one like the hurricanes you mentioned above. By that logic, I guess you'd agree to only name significant tropical cyclones, since many that are named do nothing.


Like some kids.
Quoting Grothar:


Like some kids.

I do some things...
Wait, I just called myself a kid!
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Brutus was a significant winter storm, not a historic one like the hurricanes you mentioned above. By that logic, I guess you'd agree to only name significant tropical cyclones, since many that are named do nothing.


I wonder if they will "retire" winter storm names?
Quoting wxchaser97:

I do some things...
Wait, I just called myself a kid!


lol. I'd give half my SS check to be called a kid again.
Quoting Grothar:


lol. I'd give half my SS check to be called a kid again.

Lol, I don't know if I would do that since some of these tests(PLAN and other standardized tests) are annoying, boring, and sometimes hard.
Quoting wxchaser97:

Lol, I don't know if I would do that since some of these tests(PLAN and other standardized tests) are annoying, boring, and sometimes hard.


I'm glad I am at the age where I don't have to think anymore. It can get annoying.
578. yoboi
Quoting Patrap:


Been lurking a lot and watching all the good works here and other places.

Sandy was and is a lesson hard learned and well responded in most ways, and not so well in others, But these events tax even the best veterans of disasters.




sandy was just as bad as katrina with fema response there was not adequate stagging of equip prior to landfall and they had ample warning where landfall would be seemed liked we would have learned lessons from 2005 but fema the gov did not.....fema and obama should answer for this.....
Quoting Grothar:


Like some kids.

And the elderly. ;)
Quoting SherwoodSpirit:


Considering that's the same guy who was arguing continually that Sandy was an overhyped non-event because it wasn't affecting him... well before it hit, you really can't take what he says seriously.
Touche. Your right about my underplay of Sandy, I forgot what a sustained wind of 50 mph means in this part of the world...no power for weeks. In retrospect, 950 mb is 950 mb. The massive size of the beast made all of the difference. Having been through Donna on Long Island, I cant even fathom what a 90 mph sustained wind would mean here.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

"Names are for Hurricanes. Period." is a bad reason not to name winter storms, don't you think?


They insisted it was a good thing because they ran a yes/no poll on the idea.

I think they should another poll on my fabulous idea that will catapult the station in the ratings.

Here is the idea:

1. The only language to be permitted on the weather channel, whether spoken or written text, is Ancient Armenian. Including numbers and Including commercials; Logos excepted.

2. The people explaining the weather... the 'weather casters', or whatever they a re, must appear stark naked, except the leg babe can wear stillettoes. Absolutely NO hint of sexuality though... no odd poses or cutesy gestures... but instead, they are to maintain an affect somewhere between total deadpan and the grave demeanor of an old testament prophet.

Little sun and cumulus cloud symbols would still be permitted.

In this scenario, they could keep the silly little names for every oddball event ... no one will notice anyway. Everyone will be too entranced with the odd-ballity of it all.

It will be a huge hit, and have a lasting effect as others will try to copy this simple formula for success.

You might think that weather nerds would miss understanding the text, but actually, weather nerds only tune in to the weather channel to reaffirm that they could do a better job forecasting. And everyone else just zones out ...

It will be a huge hit, I'm telling you!
Quoting goalexgo:
Touche. Your right about my underplay of Sandy, I forgot what a sustained wind of 50 mph means in this part of the world...no power for weeks. In retrospect, 950 mb is 950 mb. The massive size of the beast made all of the difference. Having been through Donna on Long Island, I cant even fathom what a 90 mph sustained wind would mean here.


It really does depend on building codes and geographical locale. I live in Louisiana, and we get 50 mph sustained winds on a routine basis from severe thunderstorms. So to us, a tropical cyclone with that kind of wind isn't really a threat.
Quoting Patrap:



Working with Presslord,and healing a Hip replacement that got infected.

So thanks all round.

This disaster I've been observing from the bed, and PT room at the VA.




I had no idea anything like that was going on. Glad to hear you're doing well.
Quoting KoritheMan:


It really does depend on building codes and geographical locale. I live in Louisiana, and we get 50 mph sustained winds on a routine basis from severe thunderstorms. So to us, a tropical cyclone with that kind of wind isn't really a threat.
plus when get those winds regularly the week links in the power grid fail as they need replacement. in ny it has been a long time causing many week links. pole that should have been replaced etc
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Brutus was a significant winter storm, not a historic one like the hurricanes you mentioned above. By that logic, I guess you'd agree to only name significant tropical cyclones, since many that are named do nothing.


Bosh. I got to experience this snowstorm first hand ... up close and personal. It was about equal to a moderate lake effect event in Buffalo .... the kind that happens a dozen times a season. This storm deserved a personal name less than each of the lilac shrubs in the park.
Old Orchard Light before Sandy



After Sandy



Old Orchard Shoal Light was a sparkplug lighthouse in lower New York Bay marking a large shoal area. It was destroyed by Hurricane Sandy on October 29, 2012.


587. yoboi
Quoting KoritheMan:


It really does depend on building codes and geographical locale. I live in Louisiana, and we get 50 mph sustained winds on a routine basis from severe thunderstorms. So to us, a tropical cyclone with that kind of wind isn't really a threat.




i live in louisiana also and our severe thunderstorms don't last for hrs most of sandys damage was due to flooding....
Quoting goalexgo:
Touche. Your right about my underplay of Sandy, I forgot what a sustained wind of 50 mph means in this part of the world...no power for weeks. In retrospect, 950 mb is 950 mb. The massive size of the beast made all of the difference. Having been through Donna on Long Island, I cant even fathom what a 90 mph sustained wind would mean here.

just because you were not affected does not mean that you have to tell people who were sandy was a hoax
Quoting yoboi:




i live in louisiana also and our severe thunderstorms don't last for hrs most of sandys damage was due to flooding....

and in part to her massive size.....
cyclones are getting larger and weaker these days
Quoting flcanes:

just because you were not affected does not mean that you have to tell people who were sandy was a hoax


...How was he even remotely saying that?
Quoting goalexgo:
The Weather Channel is going a little too far. This morning, we had to concern ourselves here in NJ with Small Fog Bank Ferdinand. Tonight,Strong Cold Front Luigi is barrelling down on us.

Names are for Hurricanes. Period. Stop The Madness!!!


Y'all dont like change......but I bet you still voted for Obama!

(no political intent, just obama has always run on change :D)

Change is a good thing, names were for hurricanes, now they are for winter storms....just ask Europe.
592. yoboi
Quoting flcanes:

and in part to her massive size.....
cyclones are getting larger and weaker these days



all storms are differ.....they have there own personality...
Quoting Patrap:
526. popartpete

Thanks for sharing,

...as we often say here, preparation is key in a Hurricane and the aftermath.

Once the winds die down, the real work begins.

Your experience will be a part of your life till your last day.

Share it with all you can,

"Calamity knows no border's, only mens minds and map's do"..


Thanks for that video. I have walked those boards many, many times.
Another strong solar flare, this one an M6 class event, even more powerful than the last one:



More on my blog.
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


Y'all dont like change......but I bet you still voted for Obama!

(no political intent, just obama has always run on change :D)

Change is a good thing, names were for hurricanes, now they are for winter storms....just ask Europe.

Isn't it only still Fall/Autumn there, how can there be Winter storms in Fall/Autumn?
Quoting AussieStorm:

Isn't it only still Fall/Autumn there, how can there be Winter storms in Fall/Autumn?


How can there be tropical cyclones when it's not summer?
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
934 PM AST MON NOV 12 2012

.UPDATE...ACTIVITY IN THE NORTHERN ATLANTIC WATERS HAS CONTINUED
TO INCREASE AND LIGHTNING INDICATORS SHOW GOOD ACTIVITY. SHOWERS
HAVE ALSO RE-DEVELOPED ACROSS ISABELA...AGUADILLA AND COASTAL GUANICA SO
WILL UPDATE ZONES FOR INCREASED ACTIVITY.

&&

.DISCUSSION...RADAR SHOWED A FAST MOVING BOUNDARY FROM THE
NORTHWEST THAT APPEARS TO BE INTENSIFYING EXISTING CELLS OVER
ATLANTIC WATERS AND GENERATING NEW ACTIVITY. CELL MOTION HAS ALSO
SHIFTED FROM EAST SOUTHEAST TO EAST IN THE CARIBBEAN. LOW LEVEL
TROUGH APPEARS TO BE MOVING TOWARD HISPANIOLA AT THIS TIME.

&&

.HYDROLOGY...THE CULEBRINAS RIVER IS NOW ONLY 1.5 FEET FROM
FLOOD STAGE AT THE MARGARITA DAM. IT IS NOT CLEAR WHETHER IT WILL
GO INTO FLOOD OR NOT SINCE THE GAGE AT MOCA...MOCP4...IS
BROKEN...BUT WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR.

Quoting AussieStorm:

Isn't it only still Fall/Autumn there, how can there be Winter storms in Fall/Autumn?

Winter storms is misleading at times. Snowstorms or ice storms makes it seem less focused on just winter imo.
599. yoboi
Quoting AussieStorm:

Isn't it only still Fall/Autumn there, how can there be Winter storms in Fall/Autumn?



with climate change there are no seasons anymore guess ya did not get that memo....
Quoting yoboi:



sandy was just as bad as katrina with fema response there was not adequate stagging of equip prior to landfall and they had ample warning where landfall would be seemed liked we would have learned lessons from 2005 but fema the gov did not.....fema and obama should answer for this.....


I dunno, seems to me that the power companies and such were in pre-emptive action pretty early. The scope of the damage was/is mind boggling, there's simply not enough assets to cover it all at once.

I didn't like POTUS campaigning but really, that was probably a good thing, it is not any Presidents job to micromanage recovery, the best thing for them to do is order worker bees into action, and then get out of the way. Let the pros do their jobs.

During Katrina, the danger was staging too close and becoming a casualty, instead of first responder. We learned from Andrew, Katrina, from Ike, and now from Sandy. If folks did a better job of preparing themselves, there would be a lot less "immediate" emergency. This alone would make a huge difference in first response.
601. yoboi
Quoting indianrivguy:


I dunno, seems to me that the power companies and such were in pre-emptive action pretty early. The scope of the damage was/is mind boggling, there's simply not enough assets to cover it all at once.

I didn't like POTUS campaigning but really, that was probably a good thing, it is not any Presidents job to micromanage recovery, the best thing for them to do is order worker bees into action, and then get out of the way. Let the pros do their jobs.

During Katrina, the danger was staging too close and becoming a casualty, instead of first responder. We learned from Andrew, Katrina, from Ike, and now from Sandy. If folks did a better job of preparing themselves, there would be a lot less "immediate" emergency. This alone would make a huge difference in first response.


fema is under the president...they did not pre stage adequate equip people were calling for bush head with katrina and bush messed up....same holds true with sandy....and with katrina they did not stage too close they were so far away took them 5 days to deploy i know i was there....
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


Y'all dont like change......but I bet you still voted for Obama!

(no political intent, just obama has always run on change :D)

Change is a good thing, names were for hurricanes, now they are for winter storms....just ask Europe.
No, Im an old white guy, Romney's only winning demographic.
Quoting flcanes:

just because you were not affected does not mean that you have to tell people who were sandy was a hoax
I live in Northern NJ, some 30 miles from the coast. We had about a half an inch of rain, and a few gusts to 60. Nothing remarkable, a few trees down...but, of course, we were without power for a week. I was reporting what we were experiencing here, until I lost power and internet at 8 pm. Im more amazed by our vulnerability to moderate tropical storm force winds.
Quoting MontanaZephyr:


They insisted it was a good thing because they ran a yes/no poll on the idea.

I think they should another poll on my fabulous idea that will catapult the station in the ratings.

Here is the idea:

1. The only language to be permitted on the weather channel, whether spoken or written text, is Ancient Armenian. Including numbers and Including commercials; Logos excepted.

2. The people explaining the weather... the 'weather casters', or whatever they a re, must appear stark naked, except the leg babe can wear stillettoes. Absolutely NO hint of sexuality though... no odd poses or cutesy gestures... but instead, they are to maintain an affect somewhere between total deadpan and the grave demeanor of an old testament prophet.

Little sun and cumulus cloud symbols would still be permitted.

In this scenario, they could keep the silly little names for every oddball event ... no one will notice anyway. Everyone will be too entranced with the odd-ballity of it all.

It will be a huge hit, and have a lasting effect as others will try to copy this simple formula for success.

You might think that weather nerds would miss understanding the text, but actually, weather nerds only tune in to the weather channel to reaffirm that they could do a better job forecasting. And everyone else just zones out ...

It will be a huge hit, I'm telling you!



I like it, except for one big problem: seeing Al Roker naked would ruin my decade.
Looking better this evening...I expect a circle tomorrow.

Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Another strong solar flare, this one an M6 class event, even more powerful than the last one:



More on my blog.


Im not a pro at in solar activity but with that amount of energy released on those flares. What could you do with so much energy...???

like for example have NYC lit for months or years

Quoting goalexgo:
I live in Northern NJ, some 30 miles from the coast. We had about a half an inch of rain, and a few gusts to 60. Nothing remarkable, a few trees down...but, of course, we were without power for a week. I was reporting what we were experiencing here, until I lost power and internet at 8 pm. Im more amazed by our vulnerability to moderate tropical storm force winds.


I live in South Jersey and people were bracing for a helluva storm. They were evacuating flood prone areas in my town. I'm 40 miles inland and my town normally doesn't really flood to the point at which it can threaten homes so I have NEVER seen that before. People were bracing for extensive power outages and I was honestly crapping my pants seeing model predictions of 80, even 90 mph wind gusts.

But, the storm never really came. Even at the South Jersey Shore, Atlantic City, Ocean City, Wildwood yes they all took on water and had significant damage but that was NOTHING compared to the images coming out of Seaside, Point Pleasant, or Belmar.
Quoting yoboi:



sandy was just as bad as katrina with fema response there was not adequate stagging of equip prior to landfall and they had ample warning where landfall would be seemed liked we would have learned lessons from 2005 but fema the gov did not.....fema and obama should answer for this.....


I'm curious as to how you think FEMA works, and what exactly their responsibilities are after a natural disaster.
FLOOD WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
1100 PM AST MON NOV 12 2012

PRC003-005-131100-
/O.NEW.TJSJ.FA.W.0044.121113T0300Z-121113T1100Z/
/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000 Z.OO/
AGUADILLA PR-AGUADA PR-
1100 PM AST MON NOV 12 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN SAN JUAN HAS ISSUED A

* FLOOD WARNING FOR...
AGUADA MUNICIPALITY IN PUERTO RICO...
AGUADILLA MUNICIPALITY IN PUERTO RICO...

* UNTIL 700 AM AST TUESDAY

* AT 1058 PM AST...RUNOFF FROM PREVIOUS HEAVY RAINFALL HAS RESULTED
IN RISES ON RIO CULEBRINAS AT MARGARITA DAM. THE CURRENT RIVER STAGE
IS 14.77 FEET AND RISING. MOTORISTS DRIVING ALONG THE RIO CULEBRINAS
IN FLOOD PRONE AREAS SHOULD EXERCISE EXTREME CAUTION. MOVE TO HIGHER
GROUND IMMEDIATELY AND NEVER TRY TO CROSS A FLOODED ROADWAY. AT
15 FEET...THE RIVER WILL FLOOD LOW LYING AREAS IN ROUTE 115 AND
418.

A FLOOD WARNING MEANS THAT FLOODING IS IMMINENT OR HAS BEEN REPORTED.
STREAM RISES WILL BE SLOW AND FLASH FLOODING IS NOT EXPECTED.
HOWEVER...ALL INTERESTED PARTIES SHOULD TAKE NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS
IMMEDIATELY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

MOST FLOOD DEATHS OCCUR IN AUTOMOBILES. NEVER DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO
AREAS WHERE THE WATER COVERS THE ROADWAY. FLOOD WATERS ARE USUALLY
DEEPER THAN THEY APPEAR. JUST ONE FOOT OF FLOWING WATER IS POWERFUL
ENOUGH TO SWEEP VEHICLES OFF THE ROAD. WHEN ENCOUNTERING FLOODED
ROADS MAKE THE SMART CHOICE...TURN AROUND...DONT DROWN.

&&

LAT...LON 1841 6718 1841 6713 1837 6714 1839 6720

$$

ER/JFR
610. yoboi
Quoting Naga5000:


I'm curious as to how you think FEMA works, and what exactly their responsibilities are after a natural disaster.


they should manage an emergency....
Quoting yoboi:


they should manage an emergency....


From Wikipedia:

The agency's primary purpose is to coordinate the response to a disaster that has occurred in the United States and that overwhelms the resources of local and state authorities. The governor of the state in which the disaster occurs must declare a state of emergency and formally request from the president that FEMA and the federal government respond to the disaster.

And it is a part of Homeland Security, and does not directly report to the President.
Quoting yoboi:


they should manage an emergency....


When you disparage an organization and president for failing to adequately respond, you should at the very least be able to explain what it is FEMA does or details of what you feel they did wrong.
613. yoboi
Quoting Bielle:


From Wikipedia:

The agency's primary purpose is to coordinate the response to a disaster that has occurred in the United States and that overwhelms the resources of local and state authorities. The governor of the state in which the disaster occurs must declare a state of emergency and formally request from the president that FEMA and the federal government respond to the disaster.



like i said they should manage an emergency...
On Veteran's. Days, i would like to thank all who served and those that serve now. I would to thank the coast guard who work in the worst weather to rescue people. As an Ike survivor, I remember them trying to rescue people trapped when the storm surge came early and that they keep flying as long as they can. I also want to thank the local national guard who were set up on the west side of Houston with no supplies not even drinking water during Ike. Other first responders were also staged there. Thank you all for keeping us free and safe.
615. yoboi
Quoting Naga5000:


When you disparage an organization and president for failing to adequately respond, you should at the very least be able to explain what it is FEMA does or details of what you feel they did wrong.



i don't know how much clear ya need i said they have a role to manage...

what did they do wrong they did not prestage basic life supporting supplies, food water fuel for generators to run hospitals poor logistics...and the list can go on...cut the red tape for filling e-mac request from other states in a timely manner...
While the East enjoys warm weather, the West is freezing.

617. yoboi
Quoting Bielle:


From Wikipedia:

The agency's primary purpose is to coordinate the response to a disaster that has occurred in the United States and that overwhelms the resources of local and state authorities. The governor of the state in which the disaster occurs must declare a state of emergency and formally request from the president that FEMA and the federal government respond to the disaster.

And it is a part of Homeland Security, and does not directly report to the President.



in the chain of command the president is the commander in chief....
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
While the East enjoys warm weather, the West is freezing.


I can say it got a lot colder today than from yesterday. I even had a wintry mix as the back edge of the front passed in SE MI.
Quoting yoboi:



in the chain of command the president is the commander in chief....


And the President reports to Congress, so it is all Congress's fault!
620. yoboi
Quoting Bielle:


And the President reports to Congress, so it is all Congress's fault!


please study the incident command structure for the United States of America....the president is at the top.....not congress....
Quoting yoboi:



i don't know how much clear ya need i said they have a role to manage...

what did they do wrong they did not prestage basic life supporting supplies, food water fuel for generators to run hospitals poor logistics...and the list can go on...cut the red tape for filling e-mac request from other states in a timely manner...


You need to not make blanket judgements. Most of these shortages were caused by clogged waterways which happens to be the normal process for delivering goods such as these to that part of the country. The shear size and scope of the destruction has made for a naturally slower response, however, overall the response has been judged as good by the state and local governments directly operating with FEMA. Context goes a long way to understanding the response to this event.
622. yoboi
Quoting Naga5000:


You need to not make blanket judgements. Most of these shortages were caused by clogged waterways which happens to be the normal process for delivering goods such as these to that part of the country. The shear size and scope of the destruction has made for a naturally slower response, however, overall the response has been judged as good by the state and local governments directly operating with FEMA. Context goes a long way to understanding the response to this event.


then please explain why it takes 10 days to fill e-mac request from other states to get them help???? just please explain that....
Tornado signature headed toward Binghamton, New York.
Link Click on animate and track
Quoting yoboi:


then please explain why it takes 10 days to fill e-mac request from other states to get them help???? just please explain that....


Mainly because of how the emac law is written. You either 1) Have to be considered an agent of the state or 2)(which applies in most cases thereby slowing the response down) There must be a state law allowing a temporary agent of the state status.
Which means approval from the state itself of either a public, private, or volunteer based response. That bureaucratic approval takes time, unfortunately. I do agree it shouldn't take 10 days, but that is the nature of state legislatures.
625. yoboi
Quoting Naga5000:


Mainly because of how the emac law is written. You either 1) Have to be considered an agent of the state or 2)(which applies in most cases thereby slowing the response down) There must be a state law allowing a temporary agent of the state status.
Which means approval from the state itself of either a public, private, or volunteer based response. That bureaucratic approval takes time, unfortunately. I do agree it shouldn't take 10 days, but that is the nature of state legislatures.


they have many willing and experinced people ready to go but waiting to go thru all the red tape....the same with supplies waiting ready to go this is not our last disaster gov has got to find ways to cut the red tape and get the help and supplies there....
Quoting yoboi:


they have many willing and experinced people ready to go but waiting to go thru all the red tape....the same with supplies waiting ready to go this is not our last disaster gov has got to find ways to cut the red tape and get the help and supplies there....


I agree with you there. Unfortunately, when the emac law was written, allowing the states themselves to have the say was the only way to get all 50 states on board. It's the old state government vs. federal government having the power argument. As easy fix would be to have designated state agents such as gasoline producers, ground shipping companies, etc, but the states don't want to give up that ability to have the final say so.
GFS is showing a really disturbing forecast...

Link

It's two weeks out though, so the accuracy is suspect at best.
Approximately 3-4 times a year - for a month at a time, I am on 6 hours standby/12 hours to move for an International NGO for global deployment to crises (natural or man made).

I have learned to have a thick skin as it is impossible to please all the people all the time and all too many of the general world public seem to think we go waltzing in immediately then complain when it takes 3 -4 days (or longer)- they do not realise that a) you have to be invited by the affected country; b) have to get necessary visas etc; c) have to have better understanding of scope/extent/nature of crisis; d) what is the capability to flow materials in and in what order; e) where are materials coming from and how are they getting to crisis to the other end of scale like what are national constraints on Internet, Sat Phones, UHF/VHF radio, vehicles etc - I could go on and on.

As an "outsider", I am sure that FEMA have major constraints as well and, obviously finite levels of manpower and and certainly material effort initially. The overwhelming majority of statements, reports and narrative accounts I have heard regarding Sandy, (especially given the massive area that had to be covered),indicate that FEMA has done a pretty solid job and there are thousands who are grateful to them.

To blunder in unprepared/incorrectly stocked/unable to self sustain etc, albeit in a well meaning way,serves little really useful purpose
Quoting yoboi:



i don't know how much clear ya need i said they have a role to manage...

what did they do wrong they did not prestage basic life supporting supplies, food water fuel for generators to run hospitals poor logistics...and the list can go on...cut the red tape for filling e-mac request from other states in a timely manner...


I will not enter any conversation about federal/state etc legislature - as I said I am an outsider and know nothing about that side of it.

Your remark, however, about Hospital generators does make me think that many hospitals seemed to very poorly prepared regarding Stand By Power - where the generators were located, where the fuel was located, running capacity on standby power, seeming lack of emergency refuelling service level agreements - it appeared as though the full range of hazards and attendant risks were not fully examined and planned for.
Texas Petitions Secession from the Union. 54,000 signatures, in 3 days, the threshold needed and deadline was 25,000 signatures by December 9th. Louisiana will follow within the next hour, with only 500 signatures from the state posting their request... 6 other states in the Southeast US are also in territory to make the same request by the deadline...
Quoting HurricaneDean07:

A total 28 states have started petitions for secession... 16 of those are almost halfway or already have began to post the petitions and make requests to the Obama Administration...


This is dumb and these people should feel bad.
Quoting HurricaneDean07:

A total 28 states have started petitions for secession... 16 of those are almost halfway or already have began to post the petitions and make requests to the Obama Administration...
A divided Nation by extreme rights idea,,dangerous stuff....Civil War?? Hope not,,not nice for the world.....
Quoting HurricaneDean07:

A total 28 states have started petitions for secession... 16 of those are almost halfway or already have began to post the petitions and make requests to the Obama Administration...


All the petition means is that the administration will respond to it. It is not an official request or legislative move. To give some context, 50,000 of Texas' population is .2% and 25,000 of Louisiana's is .55%, not very large numbers.
Quoting Naga5000:


All the petition means is that the administration will respond to it. It is not an official request or legislative move. To give some context, 50,000 of Texas' population is .2% and 25,000 of Louisiana's is .55%, not very large numbers.

Louisiana just set petition at 25,051 now...
All I'm sayin is that i'd love to see how the administration would respond if all 14 or more states posted these petitions... I mean this hasnt been done in a presidency before, definately a split nation.
Quoting HurricaneDean07:

Louisiana just set petition at 25,051 now...
All I'm sayin is that i'd love to see how the administration would respond if all 14 or more states posted these petitions... I mean this hasnt been done in a presidency before, definately a split nation.


Not really, the number are so low. You are talking about less than 1% of a state signing a meaningless petition. Real secession through ballot initiative would take 2/3's majority, while legislatively it would also take a 2/3's. We aren't that divided, there are just a small number freaking out online through a government website.
Generally, with succession movements, most governments require a 50% vote. Now some don't do that and I'm not sure how the US would react if these succession movements actually gained any form of anything. Civil war probably is the worse option, if the US were to respect any democratic ideals..a 50% majority should mean most states should be able to leave the union.

I believe Quebec was 45% yes to 55% no to getting away from Canada. That's how close it was.
Quoting yqt1001:
Generally, with succession movements, most governments require a 50% vote. Now some don't do that and I'm not sure how the US would react if these succession movements actually gained any form of anything. Civil war probably is the worse option, if the US were to respect any democratic ideals..a 50% majority should mean most states should be able to leave the union.

I believe Quebec was 49% yes to 51% no to getting away from Canada. That's how close it was.


I'm not 100% sure, but in most states a state constitutional amendment requires a super majority vote, not just a 50+. I know here in Florida we require 60%.
Quoting RascalNag:
GFS is showing a really disturbing forecast...

Link

It's two weeks out though, so the accuracy is suspect at best.


Stop I'll cry.

Why are the models evil sadists...
643. wxmod
Quoting HurricaneDean07:

A total 28 states have started petitions for secession... 16 of those are almost halfway or already have began to post the petitions and make requests to the Obama Administration...


Oh, so you want to talk about a bunch of overgrown babies who can't handle compromise on a weather blog? Now why would you want to do that?
Quoting wxgeek723:


Stop I'll cry.

Why are the models evil sadists...


It's 2012. This was predicted.
645. wxmod
There seems to be an increase in large earthquake activity along the west coast. California hasn't had a large earthquake in quite a while. Maybe time is short. Be prepared.
Quoting KoritheMan:


It's 2012. This was predicted.


As long as my death is quick and painless...
Everybody knows that the gfs will change 20 million time before turkey day is here,but im waiting on the model trending process
Quoting wxgeek723:


As long as my death is quick and painless...


That's the spirit!
Quoting HurricaneDean07:
Texas Petitions Secession from the Union. 54,000 signatures, in 3 days, the threshold needed and deadline was 25,000 signatures by December 9th. Louisiana will follow within the next hour, with only 500 signatures from the state posting their request... 6 other states in the Southeast US are also in territory to make the same request by the deadline...



If you read through the Texas signatories - a very large number don't actually live in Texas.

Not sure if folks have thought through what being at the back of the work and travel visa lines would mean. Arizona would have to start pulling people over if they look like they're from Tennessee.

:-)

Quoting KoritheMan:


That's the spirit!


I swear you guys WANT the world to end. I mean I hate everyone just as much as the next guy but I don't think you guys realize what you're wishing on mankind.

I have major seismophobia and after the East Coast EQ last year I managed to psychologically convince myself the world was ending.

The feeling physically ANNIHILATES you. I cannot describe how awful it is. If you all get to feel it next month (and you guys could use the wake up), you'll understand.

:)
Quoting wxgeek723:


I swear you guys WANT the world to end. I mean I hate everyone just as much as the next guy but I don't think you guys realize what you're wishing on mankind.

I have major seismophobia and after the East Coast EQ last year I managed to psychologically convince myself the world was ending.

The feeling physically ANNIHILATES you. I cannot describe how awful it is. If you all get to feel it next month (and you guys could use the wake up), you'll understand.

:)


This is the thanks I get for trying to be optimistic?

WELL FORGET YOU
Quoting KoritheMan:


This is the thanks I get for trying to be optimistic?

WELL FORGET YOU


Lol in all serious though let me enjoy the last few weeks. Sheesh.

Though with regards to the BC quake coinciding with the onset of Hurricane Sandy, wouldn't it be logical to say that with climate change increasing the number of extreme weather events, more severe weather events will coincide with large earthquakes simply because well, there's more severe weather? The same can be said during last summer's hurriquake.

And the storm the GFS is showing is impacting more New England and not so much the Mid Atlantic? Not to mention it's weaker than Sandy.
We need to dont take life for granted because we may have eq, hurricane or snow storms that the whole part of nature, but as for mankind the lord will figure out r path.
You'd think these southern states wouldn't even think about secession, considering what happened last time they tried that about 150 years ago...

Both presidents from Illinois, interesting parallell.
Freeze Warnings for the Deep South

Temperatures are expected to drop below freezing throughout portions of Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama. Pet owners should take precautions to protect outdoor animals from the freezing conditions. The cold could also harm sensitive vegetation that is left outside, unprotected. Overnight temperatures later this week are expected to be a little milder.
Good Morning Folks!.........................
7-day for the Tampa Bay area..............
Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Hard to describe ECMWF 00z version of Nor'easter -- massive gyre more like it. Blocks do weird stuff. http://twitter.com/RyanMaue

5 hRyan Maue‏@RyanMaue

GFS 00z hits repeat button Sun/Mon: 1040 mb blocking high and a Nor'easter coastal low. http://twitter.com/RyanMaue
Joe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

ECMWF takes deepening low up 70 west.. further east but stronger with thanskgiving week threat http://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi

5 hJoe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

Model shows 35-50 kt winds in coastal waters Monday http://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi

5 hJoe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

GFS still has pre Thanksgiving day coastal problem for ne beaches. Prolonged onshore flow into Sandy ravaged areas
Quoting wxgeek723:


I swear you guys WANT the world to end. I mean I hate everyone just as much as the next guy but I don't think you guys realize what you're wishing on mankind.

I have major seismophobia and after the East Coast EQ last year I managed to psychologically convince myself the world was ending.

The feeling physically ANNIHILATES you. I cannot describe how awful it is. If you all get to feel it next month (and you guys could use the wake up), you'll understand.

:)

Does that mean I get to feel it first? I'll write a blog about how the start of the end of the world is. LOL
Good morning/evening, all. A chilly 38 degrees in my part of Louisiana with a wind chill of 32.
Good morning. 6z GFS showed end of run Caribbean development:



Honestly though, I'd say that's a long shot at best. We're just about wrapping this season up right now I think.
Quoting aislinnpaps:
Good morning/evening, all. A chilly 38 degrees in my part of Louisiana with a wind chill of 32.
Quoting aislinnpaps:
Good morning/evening, all. A chilly 38 degrees in my part of Louisiana with a wind chill of 32.
..good morning..gee that cold front was pretty strong huh..wont make it to me so far anyway..stay warm over there
GFS at 216 hours, WAY off shore, If this proves true, NYC is ok on thanksgiving.......................
Quoting AussieStorm:

Does that mean I get to feel it first? I'll write a blog about how the start of the end of the world is. LOL


Did the Mayans specify a time zone?
AccuWeather.com‏@breakingweather

RT @nwsboston: Worcester airport 61 at 6:06 and 47 at 6:54. Eastern MA and RI have this kind of temp drop to look forward to.
So, how many undocumented workers died in the storm in New York?
Good morning everyone, the GFS is still showing Valerie in just over a day. The latest 00z and 06z runs both had Valerie but yet there is still no circle.

00z at 48hrs:


06z GFS at 42hrs:
Going to love it next week!!:)S FL!!:)
Monday
Clear. High of 73F. Winds from the North at 10 to 15 mph.

Monday Night
Clear. Fog overnight. Low of 54F. Winds from the North at 10 to 15 mph.

Tuesday
Partly cloudy. High of 72F. Winds from the NNE at 10 to 15 mph.

Tuesday Night
Clear. Fog overnight. Low of 52F. Winds from the NNW at 5 to 15 mph.

Wednesday
Clear. High of 72F. Winds from the NW at 5 to 10 mph.

Wednesday Night
Clear. Low of 52F. Winds from the NW at 5 to 10 mph.

Thursday
Clear. High of 72F. Winds from the NW at 5 to 10 mph.

Thursday Night
Partly cloudy. Fog overnight. Low of 52F. Winds from the NW at 5 to 10 mph.

Friday
Partly cloudy. High of 72F. Winds from the NNW at 5 to 10 mph.

Friday Night
Clear. Fog overnight. Low of 52F. Winds from the NNW at 5 to 10 mph.
Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Good morning. 6z GFS showed end of run Caribbean development:



Honestly though, I'd say that's a long shot at best. We're just about wrapping this season up right now I think.

The 0z also showed a TS in the Caribbean at the end of the run. Just this run also had a strong low over the Great Lakes.

Good Morning,

Is Dr. M OK or just busy. He is usually very good about Monday posts.

Chichenitza Standard time for EOW.

So Valery might get her wish after all!
Quoting Waltanater:
So, how many undocumented workers died in the storm in New York?
Out of curiosity, why do you ask?
Quoting Dakster:


Did the Mayans specify a time zone?

Well they specified a date. Is it 20/12/2012 Mayan/S Mexico time?
That would be 21/12/2012 here
Quoting wxchaser97:

The 0z also showed a TS in the Caribbean at the end of the run. Just this run also had a strong low over the Great Lakes.

So where would the movement will be?
Eclipse in the morning just after sunrise. I'll get about 65% going by this map.

Brad Panovich
Pattern is consistent and now so is the guidance on a nor'easter developing by the middle of next week. The exact track is still hard to determine this far out. It is likely going to be close enough to the coast to cause Thanksgiving holiday travel trouble for some of the east coast airports. Stay tuned.

Will the Conservative States of America have a weather bureau that only looks at stations that don't show a warming trend, or extreme weather, or sea level rise?
Flip Flop Florida is going to have a hard time cutting out the counties on the coast that can see climate change and the conservative center and pan handle that make up the other 49.99999%.
I wonder if states will renegotiate their water treaties with states that remain in the Union.
Quoting Neapolitan:
Out of curiosity, why do you ask?
I would be curious to know if anyone has any info on this. Apparently this is an issue up there now.
Quoting biff4ugo:
Will the Conservative States of America have a weather bureau that only looks at stations that don't show a warming trend, or extreme weather, or sea level rise?
Flip Flop Florida is going to have a hard time cutting out the counties on the coast that can see climate change and the conservative center and pan handle that make up the other 49.99999%.
I wonder if states will renegotiate their water treaties with states that remain in the Union.
not going to happen,and i must warn folks who are spouting this garbage,there are treason laws..be careful what you put in print, even in here AND..all this garbage talk in NOT weather related..end of rant for me.
What always strikes me as funny--in a really sad way--is that so many people are quick to dismiss the overwhelming scientific evidence that shows our civilization rushing headlong toward an almost certain and virtually unavoidable climate change catastrophe, yet at the same time they'll latch on to a misinterpretation of calendars scratched into ancient limestone by superstitious, human-sacrificing heathens whose own civilization went extinct centuries ago.

Yeah, funny. Ha-ha... :\
Quoting Neapolitan:
What always strikes me as funny--in a really sad way--is that so many people are quick to dismiss the overwhelming scientific evidence that shows our civilization rushing headlong toward an almost certain and virtually unavoidable climate change catastrophe, yet at the same time they'll latch on to a misinterpretation of calendars scratched into ancient limestone by superstitious, human-sacrificing heathens whose own civilization went extinct centuries ago.

Yeah, funny. Ha-ha... :\
yes but 1000-2000 years ago, these so called savages mapped the stars almost better than we can..without any electronic gear..dont dismiss intelligence just because it was so long ago OR they werent like us..
AccuWeather.com‏@breakingweather

RT @capitalweather: Rain showers continue thru late morning and COLD. Temps only in low 40s. Reports of a sleet mix in Leesburg!
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
My local forecast blog.
Have a great day everyone.
Quoting Waltanater:
I would be curious to know if anyone has any info on this. Apparently this is an issue up there now.


can you give us a reference so we can look it up?