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First Hurricane Sandy, now Winter Storm Athena for the Eastern U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:57 PM GMT on November 07, 2012

Winter Storm Warnings are up for Southwest New Jersey, Northern Delaware, and Southeast Pennsylvania, including Philadelphia, PA, where Winter Storm Athena is expected to drop 3 - 5" of snow today through Thursday morning. Slushy accumulations of up to 1" are likely in Baltimore, and non-accumulating snow will fall as far south as Washington, DC. Athena, the season's first Nor'easter and first winter storm to get a name under The Weather Channel's new naming system, is spreading rain and high winds into Southern New Jersey and Eastern Long Island, NY this morning. Winds at buoy 44025, about 40 miles offshore from the coast of Central New Jersey, reached 40 mph, gusting to 49 mph, with a significant wave height of 14', at noon EST. Winds at Nantucket, MA have gusted as high as 54 mph this morning. Athena is building a storm surge that has already reached 2.2' at Atlantic City and 1.8' at New York City as of noon EST. A storm surge of 2 - 3.5' is likely along the section of coast most heavily damaged by Sandy's storm surge, and battering waves up to 20' high will cause moderate beach erosion along much of the New Jersey and New York shoreline. The storm surge will cause minor to moderate flooding during this afternoon's high tide cycle near 1 pm EST, and again at the next high tide, near 1 am EST Thursday morning. Fortunately, the high tides this week will be some of the lowest of the month, since we are midway between the new moon and full moon. Wind gusts from Athena will likely reach 50 mph along the coasts of New Jersey and Southern Long Island, NY, and could hit 60 mph on Cape Cod, Massachusetts. I expect that Athena's winds, rains, and wet, heavy snows will cause up to 50,000 new power outages today. As of early Wednesday morning, 676,000 customers were still without power in the wake of Hurricane Sandy (down from a peak of 8.5 million customers.)


Figure 1. Winter Storm Athena as seen at 9:01 am EST November 7, 2012. Image credit: NOAA/GSFC.


Figure 2. Predicted storm surge at Sandy Hook, NJ, for Winter Storm Athena, from the experimental Extratropical Storm Surge model, run by NOAA's Meteorological Development Laboratory. This model used winds from this morning's 6Z (1 am EDT) run of the GFS model. The peak storm surge (yellowish-brown line) is predicted to be 3.4', occurring Wednesday evening. High tide (green line) occurs near 1 pm Wednesday afternoon, resulting in a peak storm tide of approximately 7.2' around 1 pm Wednesday (black line). For comparison, Sandy delivered a 8.6' storm surge to Sandy Hook before their tide gauge failed, with the storm tide reaching 13.2' above MLLW (Mean Lower Low Water.)

The decision to name Athena
The Weather Channel announced in October that they would begin naming winter storms this year, in an effort to aid in raising awareness and reduce the risks the public faces. One of the main criteria for naming a storm is its impact on populated areas; the meteorology of the storm may not get it named, if the storm doesn't affect a populated area. If Hurricane Sandy had not devastated the region of coast being affected by today's Winter Storm Athena, it may not have gotten a name. With so many people still under recovery efforts even well inland, the combination of heavy, wet snow and wind prompted the decision to name Athena. The models have been trending towards more cold air getting pulled into this system, so it is possible Athena could drop heavier snows than currently advertised. The National Weather Service will not be referring to today's Nor'easter as "Athena". They put out this internal directive: "The NWS does not use named winter storms in our products. Please refrain from using the term Athena in any of our products."

Here are the peak wind gusts from Athena as of 11 am EST on Wednesday, November 7, 2012:



Jeff Masters

Winter Weather Athena

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Quoting atris:


LOL !! Yes Thats the very one ... Its very curt in its directions..

Yep, wouldn't want the NWS to trip up and issue a warning for Athena or Brutus. The forecasters a$$ would be grass very quickly.
It makes me wonder if the same thing happened when they decided to begin naming hurricanes... I'm sure not all people agreed with that but it's been lost in history.
503. atris
Quoting AussieStorm:

Yep, wouldn't want the NWS to trip up and issue a warning for Athena or Brutus. The forecasters a$$ would be grass very quickly.


LOL! Yes. It looks to me like they wouldn't get time to clear their desk, if they did slip up .
Now that is a front.. earl next week!
505. atris
Quoting aislinnpaps:
It makes me wonder if the same thing happened when they decided to begin naming hurricanes... I'm sure not all people agreed with that but it's been lost in history.


The issue is that the NHC names the Hurricanes not a private commercial company but that is only my opinion.
It would be funny if Brutus became bustus.

Quoting atris:


The issue is that the NHC names the Hurricanes not a private commercial company but that is only my opinion.

Agreed.
Quoting atris:


The issue is that the NHC names the Hurricanes not a private commercial company but that is only my opinion.
its the NWS not the NHC that would..if they wanted to..name winter storms..the NHC only names tropical systems..and its NOT going to happen
Everyone have a great Thursday!
Quoting SFLWeatherman:
Now that is a front.. earl next week!
..yeah and its going to hit florida i guess according to my area's future forecast..man its COLD here this morning..guess nothing like up north but for us its cold compared to what we are used to
Quoting AussieStorm:
Gif of the supercell storm that brought chaos to western Sydney. RFD or Tornado caused damage to shopping center, factory roof, trees down, power poles down, pea to golf ball size hail. So very glad it didn't come my way.

wow that was a bad storm there aussie
513. atris
Quoting AussieStorm:
It would be funny if Brutus became bustus.



Laugh out loud!!Too funny.

Not alot showing on the General US radar except in the North East


COASTAL HAZARD MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WAKEFIELD VA
506 AM EST THU NOV 8 2012

MDZ024-025-082200-
/O.EXT.KAKQ.CF.W.0002.000000T0000Z-121108T2200Z/
INLAND WORCESTER-MARYLAND BEACHES-
506 AM EST THU NOV 8 2012

...COASTAL FLOOD WARNING NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL 5 PM EST THIS
AFTERNOON...

* COASTAL FLOODING: MINOR TO MODERATE COASTAL FLOODING DURING HIGH
TIDE THIS AFTERNOON...ESPECIALLY ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BAYS
FROM OCEAN CITY TO ASSATEAGUE.

* TIMING: A FEW HOURS EITHER SIDE OF HIGH TIDE THIS AFTERNOON.

* IMPACTS: WATER LEVELS ARE FORECAST TO REACH 2 TO 2.5 FT ABOVE
NORMAL THIS AFTERNOON. AT OCEAN CITY INLET...MINOR FLOODING
BEGINS AT 4.0 FT MLLW...AND MODERATE FLOODING BEGINS AT 5.0 FT
MLLW.

* TIDES: AT OCEAN CITY INLET...HIGH TIDE THIS AFTERNOON IS AT 249
PM EST WITH A FORECAST WATER LEVEL OF 4.2 TO 4.4 FT MLLW.

* FOR LOCAL TIDE AND SURGE FORECASTS IN YOUR LOCATION VISIT
WEATHER.GOV/AKQ.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
516. atris
Quoting LargoFl:
its the NWS not the NHC that ..if they wanted to..name winter storms..the NHC only names tropical systems..and its NOT going to happen


I was actually answering a point that was raised over how people probably reacted when hurricanes were first named... I know that, its the NWS that would be the body that should name winter storms ,if they were to go down the same route as NHC in naming storms but they are not
I guess it would not be so bad..if they just named those real bad winter coastal nor'easters..NOT the usual winter storms that come across the country...those winter nor'easters can be brutal and bad..like winter hurricanes they are..then again..coastal areas along the east coast are quite used to these storms along with the snowfall etc..for example..this current nor'easter..people didnt even evacuate..if it wasnt for sandy's damage etc..people would hardly be talking about this current storm outside of snowfall amounts IF they were excessive huh
This area of disturbed weather should get a yellow circle soon. It may not be today, it may not be tomorrow, but it should get a yellow circle by the end of the weekend.

...........is the hurricane season just about over?..my guess is for florida..yeah but we still have 2-3 weeks left on the official season..we'll see
Here comes the warmup that was expected. This will likely be the last great weekend until next year for me.
Ok.

So we have Alexandra and Brutus.

Brutus?

Really?

Brutus?

I think I once had a dog by that name.

Okay.

This is officially getting out of hand.
Quoting wxchaser97:
Here comes the warmup that was expected. This will likely be the last great weekend until next year for me.
since we had a hot summer..lets see if this coming winter is colder and stronger than usual with more snowfall etc.
I'd love to be in Montana. Winter Storm Brutus is expected to bring blizzard conditions to the area.

Mr. Shackleford gets married this weekend. In other words, that's the end of Rusty's life as he knows it.

:-[
Latest 06Z GFS shows an unsettling possibility for Nov 22 - 23: a tropical cyclone heading towards New England, a blocking ridge in place over Greenland, and a strong negatively tilted trough over the Eastern U.S., which would have the potential to pull the tropical cyclone to the NW and merge with a big extratropical cyclone over New England. Granted, 2-week GFS forecasts are very low reliability, but I don't like seeing another Sandy-type situation predicted by the GFS.

Jeff Masters
Quoting JeffMasters:
Latest 06Z GFS shows an unsettling possibility for Nov 22 - 23: a tropical cyclone heading towards New England, a blocking ridge in place over Greenland, and a strong negatively tilted trough over the Eastern U.S., which would have the potential to pull the tropical cyclone to the NW and merge with a big extratropical cyclone over New England. Granted, this is a 2-week forecast, but I don't like seeing another Sandy-type situation predicted by the GFS.

Jeff Masters

Oh please oh please let the GFS be wrong, this could be a 1,2,3 knock out hit.
Quoting LargoFl:
since we had a hot summer..lets see if this coming winter is colder and stronger than usual with more snowfall etc.

With it 2012 and more cold shots expected it is possible. I would be pretty happy just to get average snowfall this year though.

In the warnings by the NWS, the blizzard out west(Brutus) is expected to drop up to 1 1/2 feet of snow and have sustained TS force winds, how fun.
I cannot imagine..yet another powerful storm hitting the northeast once again,somehow we must be taking a good hard look at this climate change thing, now IF..this is going to become the NORM in years to come..officials up there will have to rethink..how close to the waterline they allow homes etc..perhaps..parkland along the coastline with no homes,businesses etc in the flooding zones?..
Quoting wxchaser97:

With it 2012 and more cold shots expected it is possible. I would be pretty happy just to get average snowfall this year though.

In the warnings by the NWS, the blizzard out west(Brutus) is expected to drop up to 1 1/2 feet of snow and have sustained TS force winds, how fun.
it would be good if we get exceptional snowfalls this winter, in the spring when we get the melting..it will help those states that have water shortages etc.
Photo from my daughters bedroom window of the storm.

GFS at 348 hours....................
Quoting LargoFl:
it would be good if we get exceptional snowfalls this winter, in the spring when we get the melting..it will help those states that have water shortages etc.

Remember the 2010 floods on the Mississippi, most was caused by to much melt water.
Quoting AussieStorm:

Remember the 2010 floods on the Mississippi, most was caused by to much melt water.
yes that also could happen
540. atris
Quoting JeffMasters:
Latest 06Z GFS shows an unsettling possibility for Nov 22 - 23: a tropical cyclone heading towards New England, a blocking ridge in place over Greenland, and a strong negatively tilted trough over the Eastern U.S., which would have the potential to pull the tropical cyclone to the NW and merge with a big extratropical cyclone over New England. Granted, 2-week GFS forecasts are very low reliability, but I don't like seeing another Sandy-type situation predicted by the GFS.

Jeff Masters


Its a long way out 336 hrs . I will be checking the models over the next few days . As its only when I see a long range storm over a few runs that I get concerned. But I sure hope it doesnt happen
Nam at 84 hours, check out down by the islands...........
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
This area of disturbed weather should get a yellow circle soon. It may not be today, it may not be tomorrow, but it should get a yellow circle by the end of the weekend.

Quoting JeffMasters:
Latest 06Z GFS shows an unsettling possibility for Nov 22 - 23: a tropical cyclone heading towards New England, a blocking ridge in place over Greenland, and a strong negatively tilted trough over the Eastern U.S., which would have the potential to pull the tropical cyclone to the NW and merge with a big extratropical cyclone over New England. Granted, 2-week GFS forecasts are very low reliability, but I don't like seeing another Sandy-type situation predicted by the GFS.

Jeff Masters

We could see Valerie and William
Quoting JeffMasters:
Latest 06Z GFS shows an unsettling possibility for Nov 22 - 23: a tropical cyclone heading towards New England, a blocking ridge in place over Greenland, and a strong negatively tilted trough over the Eastern U.S., which would have the potential to pull the tropical cyclone to the NW and merge with a big extratropical cyclone over New England. Granted, 2-week GFS forecasts are very low reliability, but I don't like seeing another Sandy-type situation predicted by the GFS.

Jeff Masters

That's a long way out, Jeff.

A lot can change.

And likely will.
GFS at 336 hours,850 vort..yep something there alright.....
almost over for NJ and NYC..............
The low got to 26F this morning and the temp is only 29F right now per my weather station, brrr.
Have a great day everyone, I am going to school so bye.
Quoting JeffMasters:
Latest 06Z GFS shows an unsettling possibility for Nov 22 - 23: a tropical cyclone heading towards New England, a blocking ridge in place over Greenland, and a strong negatively tilted trough over the Eastern U.S., which would have the potential to pull the tropical cyclone to the NW and merge with a big extratropical cyclone over New England. Granted, 2-week GFS forecasts are very low reliability, but I don't like seeing another Sandy-type situation predicted by the GFS.

Jeff Masters


I would assume that if a situation like that occurred again we would see a much quicker transition to an extra-tropical cyclone much further south in latitude? I'd imagine with SST's drop of 2 Celsius or more from the Gulf Stream south has occurred since Sandy was in that area...



Not to mention that the troughs have been digging further south as well. That is one monster trough the models are showing early next week.




Andrew Cuomo ‏@NYGovCuomo
Remember to check on friends, family & neighbors this am after last night's #noreaster | Find shelters & warming ctrs: Link
Quoting LargoFl:
well we here have 2 days of sweatshirt weather then it warms up again ..
Where is "HERE?"
Quoting Waltanater:
Where is "HERE?"

Largo, FL; Walter. It's in his handle.
Quoting Waltanater:
Where is "HERE?"
Tampa bay area walter
Quoting jerseybreakfast:
I like the idea of naming winter storms, "official" or not. I'd rather call a winter storm "Herbert" or "Legolas" rather than "That One Time That Three Feet Of Snow Got Dumped On My Car Overnight, Or Was It That Other Time That Was Like A Week Later? I Cannot Recall."
Yeah, it gives people an excuse to use less vocabulary in their lives! LOL.
and the misery just keeps on growing in the northeast gee............Tens of thousands lose power as Sandy-ravaged areas reel from nor'easter.
Quoting AussieStorm:






WS Brutus is here. I forgot NWS does not do that
looks good over in Texas this week...............
Ain't complaining one bit, Largo. I'm a very happy woman.

Thank you for posting my weather.
Quoting TomballTXPride:
Ain't complaining one bit, Largo. I'm a very happy woman.

Thank you for posting my weather.
..np..plse send some of those 80's over here lol
Quoting LargoFl:
looks good over in Texas this week...............
I miss texas. I used to live in clear lake city south of houston
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


WS Brutus is here. I forgot NWS does not do that

This is where I got those from.... Bit confusing when he calls it Brutus but NOAA/NWS doesn't in the linked products I posted in #553

Jim Cantore ‏@JimCantore
On to #Brutus: http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/FXC/make_img.php?wfo=slc&i name=Active_Screen1L&size=1&force=no … http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/FXC/wxstory.php?wfo=byz … http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/FXC/wxstory.php?wfo=tfx …
wow COLD up in the Panhandle of florida huh.............
564. etxwx
Good morning all. This morning's podcast on EarthSky.org has an interesting feature on hole punch clouds.



Andrew Heymsfield on hole-punch clouds made by jets

Excerpt: You might be familiar with contrails, those wispy strands of clouds made by jet exhaust high in the sky. But you might never have seen a hole-punch cloud. They’re very strange clearings in the cloud cover – clear patches of sky, often with a circular shape. Sometimes people report them as UFOs. Some thought airplanes created hole-punch clouds – but just how they did it was unclear.

EarthSky spoke with Andrew Heymsfield, a senior scientist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research. He led a team that showed a relationship between these strange-looking clouds, jet aircraft and snowfall. He told EarthSky:

This whole idea of jet aircraft making these features has to do with cooling of air over the wings that generates ice.

His team found that – at lower altitudes – jets can punch holes in clouds and make small amounts of rain and snow. As a plane flies through mid-level clouds, it forces air to expand rapidly and cool. Water droplets in the cloud freeze to ice and then turn to snow as they fall. The gap expands to create spectacular holes in the clouds.

He said: "We found an exemplary case of hole-punch clouds over Texas. From satellite imagery you could see holes just pocketing the sky, holes and long channels where aircraft had been flying at that level of the cloud for a while."

Dr. Heymsfield used a weather forecast model developed at NCAR – and radar images of clouds from NASA’s CloudSat satellite – to explain the physics of how jet aircraft make hole-punch clouds.


Photos, remainder of article and podcast can be found here.
565. MTWX
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I'd love to be in Montana. Winter Storm Brutus is expected to bring blizzard conditions to the area.



Would be nice wouldn't it!! I'm jealous of my family in Great Falls!! Wish I was there!
Quoting JeffMasters:
Latest 06Z GFS shows an unsettling possibility for Nov 22 - 23: a tropical cyclone heading towards New England, a blocking ridge in place over Greenland, and a strong negatively tilted trough over the Eastern U.S., which would have the potential to pull the tropical cyclone to the NW and merge with a big extratropical cyclone over New England. Granted, 2-week GFS forecasts are very low reliability, but I don't like seeing another Sandy-type situation predicted by the GFS.

Jeff Masters


Thanks Dr. Master... I just can't handle this storms anymore
I like the new graphics the NWS is putting out now........
Quoting MontanaZephyr:
I can't quite put my finger on why, but there is something vulgar and crass about this naming of winter storms.

Why? Could it be that it is because it is not a discrete entity in the way that a tropical system is...?

Winter storms in the past have developed names when they were memorable... "The Great Blizzard" (1888), for instance. But this Athena business.... who in the world is going to remember this storm even a month from now...? The only name that it even remotely deserves is "Son of Sandy", due to its proximity in time to Sandy.... which makes some people and property more vulnerable... but any other time, any New Yorker would simply call it "November", put on a rain slicker, maybe, and not give it another thought.

THAT is what the problem is: They are elevating the trivial, and, by doing so, somewhat throwing a blanket over events that are not trivial. What's to be next...? The naming of individual clouds?

Hooray for the NWS position on this silliness!
I agree with Montana here. Winter storms should not be named at all...they come and go and people really don't care if it is named or not. If it's memorable in some way, put a label on it and be done with it.
For West Palm Beach...Beautimus

Leavin' Texas, fourth day of July,
Sun so hot, the clouds so low, the eagles filled the sky.
Catch the Detroit Lightnin' out of Sante Fe,
The Great Northern out of Cheyenne, from sea to shining sea.
Quoting AussieStorm:
Fire & Rescue NSW ‏@FireRescueNSW
#FRNSW responding to widespread incidents of trees and powerlines down across western Sydney as severe #storm cell hits.

Lee Brooks ‏@brooksie101
Supercell storm with hail & winds to 100km/hr downing trees - moving into Liverpool, Moorebank now - Menai, Barden Ridge, Engadine 15mins

Sydney Traffic ‏@sydneytraffic
Penrith: Henry St at High St. TRAFFIC LIGHTS BLACKED OUT Power failure. Impact: Traffic in all dirs. Expected to remain blacked out until 7pm


Wow - sounds like tornado weather for sure.
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
For West Palm Beach...Beautimus

nice
CONN got the snow for sure............
Maine..........URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CARIBOU ME
656 AM EST THU NOV 8 2012

MEZ005-006-081700-
/O.CON.KCAR.WW.Y.0024.000000T0000Z-121108T1700Z/
NORTHERN PENOBSCOT-SOUTHEAST AROOSTOOK-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...MILLINOCKET...EAST MILLINOCKET...
PATTEN...MEDWAY...HOULTON...HODGDON...SHERMAN...S MYRNA MILLS
656 AM EST THU NOV 8 2012

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL NOON EST
TODAY...

* PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW...MIXING WITH SLEET AND RAIN.

* ACCUMULATIONS...ADDITIONAL SNOW ACCUMULATION OF AROUND AN INCH
FOR A TOTAL OF 2 TO 4 INCHES...ALONG WITH A POSSIBLE TRACE OF
ICE.

* TIMING...THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE MORNING.

* TEMPERATURES...IN THE LOWER 30S.

* WINDS...NORTH 10 TO 15 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 20 MPH.

* IMPACTS...LOW IMPACT. EXPECT SOME TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. SNOW...
FOLLOWED BY A MIX OF SNOW... SLEET...AND RAIN MAY CAUSE SOME
SLIPPERY CONDITIONS.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

IF TRAVELING...SLOW DOWN AND PLAN EXTRA TIME TO REACH YOUR
DESTINATION. LISTEN TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO ALL HAZARDS OR OTHER
MEDIA OUTLETS FOR THE LATEST FORECASTS AND STATEMENTS.

&&
Quoting Neapolitan:
It's not true. From FEMA's rumor control page:

FEMA

Also here: http://www.snopes.com/fraud/employment/femasandy. asp

Not uncommon for unscrupulous contractors to gather folks up and haul them to disasters, get them to work a few weeks, then skip out without paying them. Please be careful not to be scammed. I've seen these crews left without food and housing trying to get meals from the Red Cross (who are supposed to be serving disaster survivors.) Crews don't even have the cash to get home.
578. VR46L
Quoting TomballTXPride:
Leavin' Texas, fourth day of July,
Sun so hot, the clouds so low, the eagles filled the sky.
Catch the Detroit Lightnin' out of Sante Fe,
The Great Northern out of Cheyenne, from sea to shining sea.


Missing the lyrics that used to be interspersed around the blog LOL :).....Back to lurk mode

Funktop image of east coast

Quoting ConnecticutWXGuy:
Approaching 4 inches of snow here in Naugatuck, CT.

Winds have been very gusty, maybe close to 50MPH.
50 is nothing...ever been in a hurricane before!?
Quoting Tazmanian:
Winter Weather Advisory is now up for new York city with forcast of 1 too 3" in the city
The ICEMAN COMETH! LOL
Quoting TropicTraveler:

Wow - sounds like tornado weather for sure.

It was coming right at me but then took a right and broke away from the main band and headed SE. From all reports it was a very wild storm.



Take a look at this tweet from PAGASA (Philippine Atmospheric, Geophysical and Astronomical Services Administration)
Talk about a big window forecast.

PAGASA-DOST (@dost_pagasa)
Posted Thursday 8th November 2012 from Twitlonger



THUNDERSTORM WATCH:
Issued at 10:05PM, 08 November 2012

Thunderstorm is more likely to develop in Metro Manila within 12 hours. All are advised to monitor updates.

I'm getting this right now, Nice sleeping weather.
Quoting MontanaZephyr:


But it DOES change something ... it depreciates the meaning of naming storms that really matter. This noreaster is just a piff compared to Sandy or other tropical events.

Too, television is generally vulgar and appeals to vulgar people. I avoid people that watch it, TTYTT. The idea that TV related people would suppose that they may presume to make this move, even in a pop-culture sense, is also offensive and ghastily pretentious.

Ugh!~
EXACTLY!
Quoting VR46L:


Missing the lyrics that used to be interspersed around the blog LOL :).....Back to lurk mode

Funktop image of east coast


ze good ole days...

Brown Eyed Woman

Sip

Ahhhhh....


Delilah Jones was the mother of twins,
Two times over and the rest were sins.
Raised eight boys, only I turned bad,
Didn't get the lickin's that the other ones had.

Brown-eyed women and red grenadine,
The bottle was dusty but the liquor was clean.
Sound of the thunder with the rain pourin' down,
And it looks like the old man's gettin' on.
Good morning.This storm was very lame for my area.We didn't even see flakes.
Quoting Waltanater:
50 is nothing...ever been in a hurricane before!?


sir...50 mph are quite strong. Those could knock out your power
The good ol' Grateful Dead.
I am in the path of the potential Winter Storm/Blizzard Brutus.

But so far, it looks like I will be in the warm sector, so I should only get rain.
Quoting stratcat:
The good ol' Grateful Dead.

Indeed! In that mood on this lovely morning...
Quoting JeffMasters:
Latest 06Z GFS shows an unsettling possibility for Nov 22 - 23: a tropical cyclone heading towards New England, a blocking ridge in place over Greenland, and a strong negatively tilted trough over the Eastern U.S., which would have the potential to pull the tropical cyclone to the NW and merge with a big extratropical cyclone over New England. Granted, 2-week GFS forecasts are very low reliability, but I don't like seeing another Sandy-type situation predicted by the GFS.

Jeff Masters
That wouldn't be so bad; it's not like anyone ever travels during the last full week of November... ;-)
New York's Central Park received a record 4.3 inches of snow, which was the city's earliest 4-inch snowfall on record, according to Nick Wiltgen, meteorologist for The Weather Channel.


some places in NJ and CT got a foot of snow, but i cant find any on traffic cams...
most snow i found was in CT:




All of this is more snow than i average seeing in a whole year and this is a minor storm for them.
12 inches of snow = 4-8 years of GA snow on average.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Good morning.This storm was very lame for my area.We didn't even see flakes.

Washi ~ I miss rainy - your old avi. Any chance you can bring her back. You know the green gal. I just loved her!!
Quoting Neapolitan:
That wouldn't be so bad; it's not like anyone ever travels during the last full week of November... ;-)

a bright ray of sunshine as always you are!

Morning Nea.
Gauteng storm warning
GAUTENG - The South Africa Weather service has issued a storm warning in the province for this afternoon, Thursday 8 November.
08 November 2012
State metrologists, based in pretoria, said unusual weather was expected over Midrand, Kyalami, Randburg and Sandton CBD.

Two weeks ago, a huge electrical storm hit Johannesburg, leaving devastation in its path. Hail stones the size of golf balls were reported throughout the city. Windows were smashed and vehicles looked as if they had been riddled with bullets after the storm.

Residents are advised to park under cover to prevent vehicle damage, plan their routes, and drive with caution.

Allan Hill commented on twitter; "Take it very easy if you are in JHB, apparently a huge storm with very heavy rain an hail approaching from the south."

Juac Mostert, who may have been affected by the first major storm of the season in Johannesburg, tweeted; "Everyone in JHB, there's a massive hail storm heading over from Boksburg [east] side. Hide your kids, hide your wives, and park your cars under cover!"


Link
Quoting Neapolitan:
That wouldn't be so bad; it's not like anyone ever travels during the last full week of November... ;-)


How many pies are you going to make this year and do you deliver? :}
Quoting TomballTXPride:

Washi ~ I miss rainy - your old avi. Any chance you can bring her back. You know the green gal. I just loved her!!
Are you talking about the one that had the leaf and red hair?.
G'morning all,
49 degrees and clear here..
Here's a couple of webcams from my area this am..
(webcams posted kinda small..??)



Quoting MTWX:


Would be nice wouldn't it!! I'm jealous of my family in Great Falls!! Wish I was there!


I'll trade yas!

Just starting to dribble little spittle snow in Helena.

"Brutus" huh...? I suppose we can look forward to Olive Oyl, Popeye, SweatPea (whose provenance was never explained), Tweety and Woody Wood Pecker down the road.

Vulgar!
Nor'easter looks to be hanging a left at ACK, no?
Quoting washingtonian115:
Are you talking about the one that had the leaf and red hair?.

I think so. But not sure. She was holding the umbrella.
That snow shouldn't be around much longer anyways because temps will rise well above freezing over the next couple of days.So enjoy your stink'in snow now because it won't be around for long.
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
New York's Central Park received a record 4.3 inches of snow, which was the city's earliest 4-inch snowfall on record, according to Nick Wiltgen, meteorologist for The Weather Channel.


some places in NJ and CT got a foot of snow, but i cant find any on traffic cams...
most snow i found was in CT:




All of this is more snow than i average seeing in a whole year and this is a minor storm for them.
12 inches of snow = 4-8 years of GA snow on average.

GS ~ you've been all over this and providing good coverage of this event. Bravo!
Storm Aftermath: Continuing Coverage
By THE NEW YORK TIMES

Wednesday’s snowy northeaster knocked out power to nearly 350,000 homes in New York and New Jersey and interrupted train service on the Long Island Rail Road, setting back the recovery effort in a region still reeling from Hurricane Sandy.

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Good morning over there ... I'm sorry to see those news. --- Tomorrow I'll leave for two days to take part in a conference in Switzerland. I've just heard that several lecturers from the US probably won't be able to come because their flights were cancelled or they got stuck at the airport due to beloved "Athena"...

Best greetings and good recovery for you people in the NE! See you next week. Barb
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


sir...50 mph are quite strong. Those could knock out your power


All depends on the time span the gust has to be maintained for to be designated as that wind speed.

I believe hurricane winds have to be maintained for 60 seconds, for the wind speed to be official. Here in the UK, the gusts of gales have to be maintained for just 10 seconds to be official.

So, a 80mph hurricane will do much more damage than a 80 mph gale would do. I don't know what the situation is with a nor'easter over your way, though.
Quoting barbamz:
Storm Aftermath: Continuing Coverage
By THE NEW YORK TIMES

Wednesday’s snowy northeaster knocked out power to nearly 350,000 homes in New York and New Jersey and interrupted train service on the Long Island Rail Road, setting back the recovery effort in a region still reeling from Hurricane Sandy.

More


Good morning over there ... I'm sorry to see those news. --- Tomorrow I'll leave for two days to take part in a conference in Switzerland. I've just heard that several lecturers from the US probably won't be able to come because their flights were cancelled or they got stuck at the airport due to beloved "Athena"...

Best greetings and good recovery for you people in the NE! See you next week. Barb


did the NYT use the term "Athena".. Just curious
Goodnight all. Rain has stopped but I can hear the creek flowing next to my place. Catch you all in the morning.
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


did the NYT use the term "Athena".. Just curious

Yes twice...

Just when Consolidated Edison customers thought it was safe to put away the flashlights, Athena blew into town.

The northeaster called Athena (by the Weather Channel) started tearing down power lines on Wednesday faster than an army of repair crews could put them back up.
El Niño Watch Discontinued


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JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting Neapolitan:
It's not true. From FEMA's rumor control page:

FEMA

Also here: http://www.snopes.com/fraud/employment/femasandy. asp


so sorry to spread fake news. it sounded like such a good idea.
For those that like to watch it snow, here is a link to Montana Web Cams Link

Especially pretty is this one from MacDonald Lake in Glacier Park, although the storm is probably not going to affect the far Northwestern part of the state so much Link