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Greenland experiences melting over 97% of its area in mid-July

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:58 PM GMT on July 25, 2012

Son Nghiem of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, CA, was analyzing radar data from the Indian Space Research Organization's Oceansat-2 satellite last week when he noticed that 97% of Greenland appeared to have undergone surface melting on July 12--an event completely unprecedented in 30 years of satellite measurements. In a July 24 press release from NASA, Nghiem said, "This was so extraordinary that at first I questioned the result: was this real or was it due to a data error?" Multiple satellite data sets confirmed the remarkable event, though. Melt maps derived from three different satellites showed that on July 8, about 40 percent of the ice sheet's surface had melted, as a strong ridge of high pressure set up over Greenland. By July 12, the melting had expanded to cover 97% of Greenland. As I blogged about last week, temperatures at at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet, 10,551 feet (3216 meters) above sea level, and 415 miles (670 km) north of the Arctic Circle, had risen above the freezing mark four times in the 12-year span 2000 - 2011. But in mid-July 2012, temperatures eclipsed the freezing mark on five days, including four days in a row from July 11 - 14. Interestingly, ice core records show that in 1889, a similar pronounced melt event occurred at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet, and such events occur naturally about every 150 years. "But if we continue to observe melting events like this in upcoming years, it will be worrisome," said Lora Koenig, a NASA/Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data. Such an event could occur as early as this weekend: the latest wunderground forecast for the Greenland Summit calls for above-freezing temperatures to return again by Saturday through Tuesday, with a high of 36°F (2°C) on Tuesday. This would come close to the record warm temperature at Summit of 3.6°C set just two weeks ago. Exceptionally warm temperatures in Greenland this July have been made more likely by the fact that Arctic sea ice area has been at record low levels so far this month. Furthermore, the Greenland Ice Sheet has become darker this July than at any point since satellite measurements began (Figure 2), allowing Greenland to absorb more solar energy and heat up.


Figure 1. Extent of surface melt over Greenland's ice sheet on July 8 (left) and July 12 (right). Measurements from three satellites showed that on July 8, about 40 percent of the ice sheet had undergone thawing at or near the surface. In just a few days, the melting had dramatically accelerated and an estimated 97 percent of the ice sheet surface had thawed by July 12. Image credit: NASA.



Figure 2. The albedo (reflectivity) of the Greenland Ice Sheet at its highest elevations (2,500 - 3,200 meters, or 8,200 - 10,500 feet) has steadily decreased in recent years as the ice has darkened due to increased melting and dark soot being deposited on the ice from air pollution. This July, the high elevations of Greenland were the darkest on record, which helped contribute to the record warm temperatures observed at the Greenland Summit. Image credit: Dr. Jason Box, Ohio State University.


Video 1. Melt water from the record July temperatures in Greenland fed the raging Watson River, which smashed two bridges connecting the north and south of Kangerlussuaq (Sønder Strømfjord), a small settlement in southwestern Greenland. The flow rate of 3.5 million liters/sec was almost double the previous record flow rate.

Greenland's Petermann Glacier
Greenland's glaciers have seen significant changes in recent years, as they respond to warmer air and water temperatures. Northwest Greenland's Petermann Glacier has seen two massive calving events in the past two years, though it is uncertain if these events were caused by the warming climate. The most recent event came on July 16, 2012, when the glacier calved a 46 square-mile iceberg two times the size of Manhattan. The same glacier calved an iceberg twice as big back on August 4, 2010--the largest iceberg observed in the Arctic since 1962. The freshwater stored in that ice island could have kept the Delaware or Hudson rivers flowing for more than two years, or kept all U.S. public tap water flowing for 120 days. According to a university press release by Andreas Muenchow, associate professor of physical ocean science and engineering at the University of Delaware's College of Earth, Ocean, and Environment, “While the size is not as spectacular as it was in 2010, the fact that it follows so closely to the 2010 event brings the glacier’s terminus to a location where it has not been for at least 150 years. Northwest Greenland and northeast Canada are warming more than five times faster than the rest of the world, but the observed warming is not proof that the diminishing ice shelf is caused by this, because air temperatures have little effect on this glacier; ocean temperatures do, and our ocean temperature time series are only five to eight years long — too short to establish a robust warming signal.”


Figure 3. The massive 46 square-mile iceberg two times the size of Manhattan that calved from Greenland's Petermann Glacier on July 16, 2012, as seen on July 21, 2012, using MODIS satellite imagery. Image credit: NASA.

Related posts
Record warmth at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet (July 18, 2012)
Unprecedented May heat in Greenland; update on 2011 Greenland ice melt
Greenland update for 2010: record melting and a massive calving event

Jeff Masters

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Under a severe thunderstorm warning, I may now take a direct hit.
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
MIC099-125-147-260700-
/O.NEW.KDTX.SV.W.0100.120726T0537Z-120726T0700Z/

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI
137 AM EDT THU JUL 26 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN DETROIT/PONTIAC HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
MACOMB COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN...
OAKLAND COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN...
SOUTHERN ST. CLAIR COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN...

* UNTIL 300 AM EDT

* AT 136 AM EDT...DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A LINE OF SEVERE
THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60
MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM CAPAC
TO GRAND BLANC...AND MOVING SOUTHEAST AT 45 MPH. PENNY SIZE HAIL
MAY ALSO ACCOMPANY THESE DAMAGING WINDS.

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR...
EMMETT AND HIGHLAND AROUND 145 AM EDT.
GOODELLS AND WHITE LAKE AROUND 150 AM EDT.
SMITHS CREEK AND WOLVERINE LAKE AROUND 155 AM EDT.
WEST BLOOMFIELD AND SYLVAN LAKE AROUND 200 AM EDT.
MARYSVILLE AND FRANKLIN AROUND 205 AM EDT.
LATHRUP VILLAGE AND BEVERLY HILLS AROUND 210 AM EDT.

THE WARNING INCLUDES AREAS SURROUNDING THESE LOCATIONS...
WEST BLOOMFIELD... WARREN... TROY...
STERLING HEIGHTS... ST. CLAIR SHORES... ST. CLAIR...
SOUTHFIELD... ROYAL OAK... ROMEO...
ROCHESTER... RICHMOND... PONTIAC...
OXFORD... ORTONVILLE... NEW BALTIMORE...
MOUNT CLEMENS... MEMPHIS... MARYSVILLE...
MARINE CITY... MACOMB TOWNSHIP... HOLLY...
HARSENS ISLAND... EMMETT... CLARKSTON...
CAPAC... BIRMINGHAM... ARMADA...
ALGONAC...

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

FOR YOUR PROTECTION MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF
YOUR HOME OR BUSINESS.

&&

LAT...LON 4288 8247 4279 8246 4261 8251 4252 8269
4256 8266 4256 8270 4259 8267 4260 8272
4267 8263 4268 8269 4265 8280 4256 8277
4254 8285 4245 8286 4244 8342 4270 8369
4287 8369 4289 8299 4308 8299 4296 8242
TIME...MOT...LOC 0537Z 297DEG 43KT 4301 8289 4291 8361
WIND...HAIL 60MPH 0.75IN
Dewpoint here 73 now humidity 100 incoming
Quoting Tribucanes:
Dewpoint here 73 now humidity 100 incoming

Temp of 84 and dew point of 75
Storms northwest are going severe and Im offically under a warning.
You've got me by two dew points and two degrees. Dastardly.


Only thing GFS sees is a Typhoon by Okinawa.It follows a disturbance from Africa and loses it near the Bahamas.
Quoting wxchaser97:


FOR YOUR PROTECTION MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF
YOUR HOME, NOT ON YOUR PC/LAPTOP ON A WEATHER BLOG.
LMAO Aussie my warning's been dropped but it's still going to be nasty here soon.
The outflow boundary is intensifying any storm it hits for me. Im not in the clear.
Im staying till the bitter end
Warning is back. Confirmed 70mph winds again. Severe will be here in five or so now.
Hey Aussie? When is it likliest for a Tropical Cyclone hitting the north coast? How about the east coast? Of course the coast's of Australia!
Quoting Tribucanes:
Warning is back. Confirmed 70mph winds again. Severe will be here in five or so now.


WE REPEAT FOR YOUR PROTECTION MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF
YOUR HOME NOT ON YOUR PC/LAPTOP ON A WEATHER BLOG.
More like 10 min. Heart of the winds are coming straight through where I'm at soon, or so my Met. says.
The NWS says a hit around 2:25-2:30am with 60mph+ winds and penny size hail.
I was guessing December for the North
Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:
Hey Aussie? When is it likliest for a Tropical Cyclone hitting the north coast? How about the east coast?

You mean, when is our Tropical Cyclone season?

The Australian cyclone season officially runs from November to April, although very few have occurred in November.

The earliest cyclone to impact the northwest Australian coast in the season was on 19 November 1910 when the eye passed over Broome. One of the latest cyclones in a season was TC Herbie that formed near Cocos Islands and passed over Shark Bay on 21 May 1988.
Large barn down, power lines and trees down, power outages. Winds that blew the barn they showed down had to be a 100+gust. Wow. Large solid build barns down just blow down in a 70 mph gust usually. No large scale damage reports yet though. All the above mentioned were isolated for the most part. About 700 without power in Madison, Wisconsin.
Aussie I'm only on enough to read these few comments and then give a quick update. But you are ABSOLUTELY right. All the kiddies are in bed though, setting a bad example though if they were here.
Outflow boundary almost on me about a mile or 2 north.
With the last big Greenland ice sheet melt of 1889, we have another possible analog year to ponder. The actual number of tropical systems is probably wrong due to a lack of modern technology, but note how like 1934(record July Midwest heat) and 1985(very active July Eastern Pacific,) the tracks seem to favor less recurvature.



getting hammer here
Quoting Tribucanes:
Aussie I'm only on enough to read these few comments and then give a quick update. But you are ABSOLUTELY right. All the kiddies are in bed though, setting a bad example though if they were here.
Im a teen but I was told I could stay up.


Latest update is out, we have a 5% Tornado area here in Greater NY, and this pretty impressive wind threat area. Should be very interesting tomorrow.
I know, don't consider you a kid. :) Most the teenagers here are grown up for modern day kids. Kids are so soft in America these days though, most wouldn't have made it 100 years ago.
Well their update only got worse for ya in most ways FireWeather161. Five percent tornado chance is not that bad, let's hope it stays at that. Lot's of us having a bad night tonight weather wise too. Although my warned storm has been hitting me now for the last five and I've gotten a twenty second 40mph gust and torrential rain. So much for severe. Good luck tomorrow FireWeather161.
So like Feb 10 would be peak
Quoting Tribucanes:
Well their update only got worse for ya in most ways FireWeather161. Five percent tornado chance is not that bad, let's hope it stays at that. Lot's of us having a bad night tonight weather wise too. Although my warned storm has been hitting me now for the last five and I've gotten a twenty second 40mph gust and torrential rain. So much for severe. Good luck tomorrow FireWeather161.
Thats how it always goes my friend.
Motor City Madhouse Ted Nugent
Hope all are safe up in the Great Lakes tonight, big storms rolling in.

Could be getting rather active in the Atlantic next month. Very strong MJO pulse is forecast to persist for the month according to the EWP. I'm not even going to bring up the steering ATM but to say that hopefully the change in MJO brings some change in the pressure means.

7400 or so without power in Wisconsin right now. FireWeather161 NYC is really under the gun. The worst is going to hit there quite possibly. Highest potential for severe wind, hail, and tornadoes is in NY. As bad as it gets excluding a tornado outbreak quite possibly for NYC tomorrow.
Thunderstorms kicking up in my corner of the state and it's starting to fill in. Need some nice downpours.

Also notice how the wave stalls out in the last 3 frames. Strong pulses like that are hard to bust sometimes. Could linger into a good part of September as well.
See you all tomorrow have a good early morning. wxchaser97 your a WU junkie (like me) and a real trooper to still be here. :) Enjoy your storms, hope all stay safe.
Getting a brief downpour and additional storms are possible.
Quoting Tribucanes:
See you all tomorrow have a good early morning. wxchaser97 your a WU junkie (like me) and a real trooper to still be here. :) Enjoy your storms, hope all stay safe.
Dont you mean later in the day:) Thanks, its been hard but new faith has came, storms firing off to the west. See ya later. Slamguitar we all need the rain here, hope you get yours.
Quoting ProgressivePulse:
Hope all are safe up in the Great Lakes tonight, big storms rolling in.

Could be getting rather active in the Atlantic next month. Very strong MJO pulse is forecast to persist for the month according to the EWP. I'm not even going to bring up the steering ATM but to say that hopefully the change in MJO brings some change in the pressure means.

Quoting ProgressivePulse:
Hope all are safe up in the Great Lakes tonight, big storms rolling in.

Could be getting rather active in the Atlantic next month. Very strong MJO pulse is forecast to persist for the month according to the EWP. I'm not even going to bring up the steering ATM but to say that hopefully the change in MJO brings some change in the pressure means.



Good news if it comes as forecast.
Everybody in them storms be smart and stay safe. See you all tomorrow.
Its only 12:45 were I am so I can stay up for another couple of hours.
About to get another storm, could have small hail and gusty winds.
No one in S MI is done yet

MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1598
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0140 AM CDT THU JUL 26 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...SRN WI/NRN IL INTO SRN LOWER MI AND FAR NRN IND

CONCERNING...SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH 520...522...523...

VALID 260640Z - 260745Z

THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH
520...522...523...CONTINUES.

SUMMARY...A LOCAL WW EXTENSION OF WW 520 MAY BE NEEDED FOR PARTS OF
SERN WI INTO LOWER MI PRIOR TO ITS 07Z EXPIRATION. MEANWHILE...A
NEW WW IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR PARTS OF NERN IL INTO FAR NRN IND AND
FAR SRN LOWER MI.

DISCUSSION...AT 06-0630Z...SURFACE ANALYSIS COMBINED WITH TRENDS IN
REGIONAL RADAR IMAGERY AND WSR-88D VWPS AND WIND PROFILER INDICATED
A COMPOSITE OUTFLOW BOUNDARY HAS MOVED SWD AND EXTENDED FROM FAR
SERN LOWER MI /JUST S OF MTC/ WSWWD TO THE N OF JXN TO NEAR 25 S RAC
IN FAR NERN IL. THIS BOUNDARY THEN EXTENDED SWWD THROUGH NORTH
CENTRAL IL WHERE WIND GUSTS WERE REPORTED AT 49 KT AT KRFD AT 0550Z.
THE DEPTH OF THIS BOUNDARY APPEARS TO BE AROUND 0.5 KM AGL PER
WSR-88D VADS IN SRN LOWER MI. OBJECTIVE ANALYSES INDICATED A
MODERATELY UNSTABLE AIR MASS RESIDING OVER AND S OF THE ONGOING
TSTMS IN SRN WI TO LOWER MI...WHILE A 45-50 KT SWLY LLJ EXTENDED
INTO CHICAGO AREA TO NRN IND.

GIVEN THESE FACTORS AND THE EWD MOVEMENT OF A CLUSTER OF STORMS IN
SRN LOWER MI AT 40 KT...THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL STRONG WIND
GUSTS REMAINS ACROSS SRN WI...NRN IL INTO SRN LOWER MI AND NRN IND
OVERNIGHT.

..PETERS/THOMPSON.. 07/26/2012


ATTN...WFO...CLE...DTX...APX...IWX...GRR...GRB...L OT...ILX...
MKX...DVN...

LAT...LON 43748215 42458263 41818302 41608428 41458639 41298746
40689039 41299064 42528903 43038915 43758922 44488709
44038378 43958270 43748215
Quoting wxchaser97:
324 hrs


So... the system essentially comes out of nowhere? Okay.
Severe Thunderstorm Warning
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MILWAUKEE/SULLIVAN WI
156 AM CDT THU JUL 26 2012

WIC027-039-059-079-089-101-117-127-131-133-260730 -
/O.CON.KMKX.SV.W.0070.000000T0000Z-120726T0730Z/
MILWAUKEE WI-OZAUKEE WI-RACINE WI-DODGE WI-FOND DU LAC WI-WAUKESHA
WI-WALWORTH WI-SHEBOYGAN WI-KENOSHA WI-WASHINGTON WI-
156 AM CDT THU JUL 26 2012

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR WASHINGTON...
KENOSHA...SOUTHERN SHEBOYGAN...EASTERN WALWORTH...WAUKESHA...
SOUTHEASTERN FOND DU LAC...EASTERN DODGE...RACINE...OZAUKEE AND
MILWAUKEE COUNTIES UNTIL 230 AM CDT...

AT 151 AM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE
HAIL...AND DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 70 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE
LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM CAMPBELLSPORT TO JACKSON TO
BROOKFIELD TO BIG BEND TO WATERFORD NORTH TO EAGLE LAKE TO TWIN
LAKES...MOVING EAST AT 50 MPH.

SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR...
GRAFTON...GLENDALE...FRANKLIN AND KENOSHA AIRPORT AROUND 205 AM
CDT.
MILWAUKEE HOAN BRIDGE...MILWAUKEE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT...PLEASANT
PRAIRIE AND PORT WASHINGTON AROUND 210 AM CDT.
RACINE BATTEN AIRPORT...DOWNTOWN KENOSHA...DOWNTOWN RACINE AND
SOUTH MILWAUKEE AROUND 215 AM CDT.
CEDAR GROVE AROUND 220 AM CDT.

OTHER LOCATIONS IMPACTED BY SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS INCLUDE WAUBEKA...
FILLMORE...BEECHWOOD...MITCHELL PARK DOMES...MILLER PARK...
FRANKLIN...GLENDALE...SHOREWOOD...SILVER CREEK AND SAINT FRANCIS.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

THIS STORM HAS A HISTORY OF PRODUCING DESTRUCTIVE WINDS. SEEK
SHELTER NOW INSIDE A STURDY STRUCTURE AND STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS!

&&

LAT...LON 4269 8777 4265 8781 4256 8780 4249 8782
4250 8855 4362 8847 4361 8776 4328 8791
4316 8788 4314 8789 4311 8788 4299 8789
4297 8785 4287 8783 4275 8776
TIME...MOT...LOC 0656Z 271DEG 45KT 4360 8826 4331 8806
4307 8809 4291 8817 4280 8814 4271 8806
4252 8816
WIND...HAIL 70MPH 1.00IN

$$

WOOD
Special Weather Statement
SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI
251 AM EDT THU JUL 26 2012

MIZ069-070-260815-
MACOMB-OAKLAND-
251 AM EDT THU JUL 26 2012

...SIGNIFICANT WEATHER ADVISORY...

AT 246 AM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED
STRONG THUNDERSTORMS ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM PONTIAC TO 5 MILES
SOUTHWEST OF MILFORD...MOVING EAST AT 35 MPH.

PEA SIZE HAIL...WINDS UP TO 40 MPH...FREQUENT CLOUD TO GROUND
LIGHTNING...BRIEF HEAVY DOWNPOURS...ARE POSSIBLE WITH THESE STORMS.

* THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR...
ROCHESTER BY 255 AM EDT...
NOVI BY 305 AM EDT...
WEST BLOOMFIELD BY 310 AM EDT...
MACOMB TOWNSHIP BY 315 AM EDT...
TROY AND SOUTHFIELD BY 325 AM EDT...
NEW BALTIMORE AND ROYAL OAK BY 330 AM EDT...
STERLING HEIGHTS BY 340 AM EDT...


GUSTY WINDS MAY CAUSE SMALL OBJECTS SUCH AS TRASH BINS TO BLOW
AROUND. STAY AWAY FROM HIGH OBJECTS OUTDOORS SUCH AS TREES. SEEK
SHELTER IN A STURDY STRUCTURE UNTIL THESE STORMS HAVE PASSED.

$$

AGD
Quoting KoritheMan:


So... the system essentially comes out of nowhere? Okay.

It is the late part of the run, needs consistancy which probably wont happen.
Newest Drought Monitor to come out in about 5 hours. Here is something to refresh your memories:

Quoting Slamguitar:
Newest Drought Monitor to come out in about 5 hours. Here is something to refresh your memories:

I have a feeling that severe drought will have S/C MI and extreme drought coming in farther.
About to get some strong storms, I'll be going to sleep in a little bit.
Good night/morning anyone thats on here, stay safe everyone who is in a storms path today.
wxchaser97 you know it's about to get raucous for you for a long time right? :) and now you want to go to bed? Smart move, just hope those moving swiftly in your direction don't get any stronger or they will be severe. Hope you have a NOAA weather radio on for your area. But weather has a way of letting you know too.
Last Meso you posted for your area sounded like it's for real. Should see severe warned storms shortly in your area.
Quoting Tribucanes:
wxchaser97 you know it's about to get raucous for you for a long time right? :) and now you want to go to bed? Smart move, just hope those moving swiftly in your direction don't get any stronger or they will be severe. Hope you have a NOAA weather radio on for your area. But weather has a way of letting you know too.
Its a very smart move:), if im sleeping then storms hit. I got a NOAA wx radio so im good. I will be fine, the watch is cancelled and I need sleep.
Quoting Tribucanes:
Last Meso you posted for your area sounded like it's for real. Should see severe warned storms shortly in your area.

They also cancelled the watch but I did say no one is in the clear let.
Close to two inches we received with this rain and half an inch or so yesterday. Great for drought busting. Just had to stay up to watch the progression of what could become an event tomorrow. We've been watching from a first hand prospective from these storms. Maybe close to two inches in rain here with vivid continuous lightening. Very few cloud to ground strikes though. Will have quite a few damage reports tomorrow west and south of me too. I love weather and climate but I'm glad the worst of it missed me; can do without that.
I'm getting five hours as it is too, so let's let's get some Z's. Talk to ya on the flip side.
Picked up a quarter inch already, now waiting for the backside to make it's way from Wisconsin and Illinois. Hoping for at least .75" total.
Quoting wxchaser97:
I have a feeling that severe drought will have S/C MI and extreme drought coming in farther.


They have to at least move the severe drought further, but sometimes they wait on it for a week even though it's quite obvious most areas have not received any sort of relief. I'm struggling to keep my young trees alive here.



Quoting OracleDeAtlantis:
With the last big Greenland ice sheet melt of 1889, we have another possible analog year to ponder. The actual number of tropical systems is probably wrong due to a lack of modern technology, but note how like 1934(record July Midwest heat) and 1985(very active July Eastern Pacific,) the tracks seem to favor less recurvature.



Thank you for the historical data, seems many in here don't use this information from the 1930's.
Again thanks!
1062. LargoFl
.................................good morning folks,a typical summer day here on the gulf coast, maybe a shower in the afternoon, good to see michigan got some rain last night, hope it rained in the drought area's
1063. LargoFl
1064. LargoFl
1065. LargoFl
1066. LargoFl
.............................maybe these storms will ease their heatwave AND help with their drought?..hope NO severe along with them
Quoting LargoFl:

#1063, there's that dry slot we Texans are always yapping about. At least the ones who live in it :(
Some heavy downpours starting for the back side of these storms for me. Looks like I'll have a few hours of rain ahead.
1069. crunja

Concerning the melting Greenland article,

I got this off of iceagenow.com .....



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Is global warming “unprecedented”?
By Robert On July 17, 2012 · 17 Comments





Not at all. It’s a regular cyclic phenomenon on planet Earth.


Average near-surface temperatures of the northern hemisphere during the past 11,000 years compiled by David Archibald after Dansgaard et al. (1969) & Schönwiese (1995).

Global warming has happened many times before in human history. We’ve had the Minoan Warm Period, the Roman Climate Optimum, and the Medieval Warm Period in addition to the current warm period (Dansguard et al., 1968; Schönwiese, 1995; Keigwin, 1996).

Huang et al. (1997) determined that the depiction of the Medieval Warm Period in this graph may be somewhat conservative. According to their study of 6000 boreholes worldwide, the global mean temperatures of the Medieval Warm Period dwarf the changes of the Twentieth Century.

The evidence shows repeatedly that global warming is a regular cyclic phenomenon on planet Earth. In fact, the normal global mean temperature for planet earth given the Phanerozoic history, is actually 19.5 degrees Celcius; a full three degrees higher than the present mean.

http://climate.geologist-1011.net/
Thanks to F. Guimaraes for this link
The forecast for the Summit over the weekend is frightening.
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOBILE AL
400 AM CDT THU JUL 26 2012

.SHORT TERM (TODAY AND TONIGHT)...A MID/UPPER LEVEL RIDGE ORIENTED
ROUGHLY EAST-WEST ALONG THE NORTHERN GULF COAST WEAKENS SLIGHTLY
THROUGH TONIGHT WHILE A SURFACE RIDGE PERSISTS OVER THE NORTH
CENTRAL GULF AND PROMOTES A SOUTHWESTERLY AFTERNOON WIND FLOW WITH
SEA BREEZE DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS AN INTERESTING FEATURE LOCATED
ABOUT 100 MILES SOUTH OF DESTIN...A MESOSCALE CONVECTIVE
VORTEX...MCV...WHICH HAS EVOLVED FROM THE PREVIOUS DAYS CONVECTION
AND A WEAK DEEPLY REFLECTED CIRCULATION THAT HAS LINGERED OVER THE
NORTHEAST GULF FOR SEVERAL DAYS. CURRENT MOVEMENT OF THE MCV IS
NORTHWESTWARD NEAR 9 KNOTS AND IS EXPECTED TO SIGNIFICANTLY AID IN
CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SEA BREEZE AND LINGERING OUTFLOW
BOUNDARIES THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON
. BEST 0-1 KM MLCAPES WILL BE OVER
THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE AREA...AROUND 2000-2500 J/KG WHERE
BEST DEEP LAYER MOISTURE IS PRESENT...WITH VALUES TAPERING TO
1500-2000 J/KG FURTHER WEST. THE LAST SEVERAL RUNS OF THE RAP HRRR
MATCH EXPECTED EVOLUTION WELL WITH MOST CONVECTION DEVELOPING MAINLY
OVER THE NORTHWESTERN FLORIDA PANHANDLE THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON...IN
REGION OF BEST INSTABILITY...AND WILL HAVE LIKELY POPS IN THIS AREA
WITH CHANCE POPS FOR MUCH OF THE REMAINING AREA. LIKE THE LAST
SEVERAL DAYS...THE STRONGER STORMS THAT DEVELOP WILL PRODUCE
PROLIFIC LIGHTNING ALONG WITH STRONG GUSTY WINDS AND LOCALLY HEAVY
RAINFALL. MAY SEE A SEVERE STORM OR TWO AS WELL. AFTERNOON HEAT
INDICES WILL INCREASE TO 100 TO 105 THIS AFTERNOON IN MOST LOCATIONS
AWAY FROM THE IMMEDIATE COAST.
Quoting crunja:

Concerning the melting Greenland article,

I got this off of iceagenow.com .....


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Is global warming “unprecedented”?
By Robert On July 17, 2012 · 17 Comments



Not at all. It’s a regular cyclic phenomenon on planet Earth.

Average near-surface temperatures of the northern hemisphere during the past 11,000 years compiled by David Archibald after Dansgaard et al. (1969) & Schönwiese (1995).

Global warming has happened many times before in human history. We’ve had the Minoan Warm Period, the Roman Climate Optimum, and the Medieval Warm Period in addition to the current warm period (Dansguard et al., 1968; Schönwiese, 1995; Keigwin, 1996).

Huang et al. (1997) determined that the depiction of the Medieval Warm Period in this graph may be somewhat conservative. According to their study of 6000 boreholes worldwide, the global mean temperatures of the Medieval Warm Period dwarf the changes of the Twentieth Century.

The evidence shows repeatedly that global warming is a regular cyclic phenomenon on planet Earth. In fact, the normal global mean temperature for planet earth given the Phanerozoic history, is actually 19.5 degrees Celcius; a full three degrees higher than the present mean.

http://climate.geologist-1011.net/
Thanks to F. Guimaraes for this link
First, global reconstructions have shown that the "Medieval Warm Period" actually wasn't. In fact, most climate scientists have begun referring to it as the "Medieval Climate Anomaly", or MCA, as large parts of the globe cooled during the same period.

Second, no credible scientist has ever said that the planet hasn't been warm before. In fact, it's been much warmer. But there are two things to remember that are conveniently ignored by those who engage in conveniently ignoring: 1) the rate of warming has never been so rapid as it is now, and 2) civilization as we know it wasn't around the last time the earth was warmer.

Finally, folks should know that "Iceagenow" is yet another "skeptic" website run by known and debunked science denialists and funded in part (if not entirely) by the fossil fuel industry. You know, the folks who make about $375 million in profit every day and hope to keep it that way...

(Laugh time. There's this from the site's front page: "The next ice age could begin any day. Next week, next month, next year, it's not a question of if, only when. One day you'll wake up - or you won't wake up, rather - buried beneath nine stories of snow. It's all part of a dependable, predictable cycle, a natural cycle that returns like clockwork every 11,500 years)". Hope you weren't drinking milk when you read that...)
I just copied this from http://www.athropolis.com/map2.htm

for ALERT, NUNAVUT, CANADA


"Weather report as of 64 minutes ago (10:00 UTC):
The wind was blowing at a speed of 10.8 meters per second (24.2 miles per hour), with gusts to 13.9 meters per second (31.1 miles per hour), from South in Alert, Canada. The temperature was 12 degrees Celsius (54 degrees Fahrenheit). Air pressure was 1,009 hPa (29.79 inHg). Relative humidity was 54.0%. There were a few clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet) and a few clouds at a height of 6401 meters (21000 feet). The visibility was 24.1 kilometers (15.0 miles). Current weather is .
THULE, GREENLAND

Weather report as of 11 minutes ago (10:58 UTC):
The wind was blowing at a speed of 15.9 meters per second (35.7 miles per hour), with gusts to 23.1 meters per second (51.8 miles per hour), from East in Thule, Greenland. The temperature was 8 degrees Celsius (46 degrees Fahrenheit). Air pressure was 1,009 hPa (29.79 inHg). Relative humidity was 70.6%. There were a few clouds at a height of 701 meters (2300 feet). The visibility was >11.3 kilometers (>7 miles). Current weather is .
1075. Zappy





Well, if we are going to get our annual tornado here in CT, today might as well be the day.
Blog Update Caribbean Storm Update July 25th 2012






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Quoting crunja:

Concerning the melting Greenland article,

I got this off of iceagenow.com .....



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Is global warming %u201Cunprecedented%u201D?
By Robert On July 17, 2012 17 Comments





Not at all. It%u2019s a regular cyclic phenomenon on planet Earth.


Average near-surface temperatures of the northern hemisphere during the past 11,000 years compiled by David Archibald after Dansgaard et al. (1969) & Schnwiese (1995).

Global warming has happened many times before in human history. We%u2019ve had the Minoan Warm Period, the Roman Climate Optimum, and the Medieval Warm Period in addition to the current warm period (Dansguard et al., 1968; Schnwiese, 1995; Keigwin, 1996).

Huang et al. (1997) determined that the depiction of the Medieval Warm Period in this graph may be somewhat conservative. According to their study of 6000 boreholes worldwide, the global mean temperatures of the Medieval Warm Period dwarf the changes of the Twentieth Century.

The evidence shows repeatedly that global warming is a regular cyclic phenomenon on planet Earth. In fact, the normal global mean temperature for planet earth given the Phanerozoic history, is actually 19.5 degrees Celcius; a full three degrees higher than the present mean.

http://climate.geologist-1011.net/
Thanks to F. Guimaraes for this link


Be prepared, the GW Climate Activists will laugh at you at tell you that this article is bs.
Good morning.

The San Juan NWS discussion about the Atlantic Wave.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
504 AM AST THU JUL 26 2012


.DISCUSSION.. MOISTURE CONTINUES TO INCREASE SUNDAY THROUGH MONDAY AS A MUCH STRONGER
WAVE APPROACHES THE AREA. MODELS ARE HINTING AT GUSTY WINDS AND
THUNDERSTORMS...BUT IT IS TOO EARLY TO HIGHLIGHT THIS MUCH IN THE
FORECAST. THE GFS ALSO SHOWS THE LIFTED INDEX DROPPING BELOW MINUS
4 ON SUNDAY AND REMAINING BETWEEN MINUS 4 AND MINUS 6 THROUGH 4
AUGUST. VERY STABLE INDICES...FOR OUR AREA...OF GREATER THAN MINUS
1 ARE INDICATED FOR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AHEAD OF THE FIRST WEAK
TROPICAL WAVE...AND THE FORECAST CONTINUES TO CALL FOR ONLY
ISOLATED SHOWERS UNTIL SATURDAY AFTERNOON. SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS
SHOULD BE EXPECTED MONDAY AND TUESDAY...WITH PERIODS OF SHOWERS
AND THUNDERSTORMS LINGERING THROUGH THE END OF THE WEEK IN
SOUTHEAST FLOW. ALL CLOSED LOWS LEAVING AFRICA BECOME OPEN WAVES
IN THE 26/00Z GFS RUN BEFORE REACHING THE LOCAL AREA NOW THROUGH
4 AUGUST. SYSTEMS ALSO APPEAR WEAKER IN THE ECMWF.
Good morning. Anyone awake??!!
Quoting Articuno:
Good morning. Anyone awake??!!


Not yet; still on my first cup of coffee. Good Morning.
Tropical Atlantic clear this am and the Gulf blob has just about dissipated.

The weather story today, for the US, will be looking out for severe weather later today.
Good Morning To All My Fellow Weather Lovers,From America's Left Coast.
Here is the HPC morning discussion for the Caribbean.

TROPICAL DISCUSSION - INTERNATIONAL DESKS
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
727 AM EDT THU JUL 26 2012

PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION FOR PUERTO RICO AND THE USVI. DRY AND
STABLE CONDITIONS PREVAIL AT THIS TIME...WITH STRONG SUBSIDENCE
CAP ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA SUSTAINING A PWAT MINIMA. UPPER FLOW
IS UNDER INFLUENCE OF A SHORT WAVE RIDGE ACROSS THE EASTERN
CARIBBEAN ISLANDS...AND A TUTT TO THE NORTH OF THE FORECAST AREA.
ANOTHER TUTT LIES FARTHER TO THE EAST...WITH FEATURE RETROGRESSING
ACROSS THE TROPICAL ATLANTIC.

THE TUTT LOW TO THE NORTH RETROGRESSES TO HISPANIOLA EARLY IN THE
CYCLE......AND THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING IT PULLS FARTHER WEST
ACROSS CUBA/THE BAHAMAS. ALTHOUGH TROUGH MOVES TO THE
WEST...STRONG SUBSIDENCE CAP IS TO PERSIST THROUGH FRIDAY
EVENING/EARLY SATURDAY. MEANWHILE...FAIR WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED TO PREVAIL. AFTERNOON CONVECTION IS TO AFFECT INTERIOR
PORTIONS OF PUERTO RICO...WITH HIGHER RESOLUTION GUIDANCE SHOWING
ACTIVITY CLUSTERING ALONG THE CORDILLERA CENTRAL AND WESTERN
PORTIONS OF THE ISLAND. BUT FOR THE MOST PART ONLY SHOWING LIGHT
RAINFALL AMOUNTS.

THE NEXT TUTT APPROACHES THE FORECAST AREA LATER ON SATURDAY. THIS
HAS A STRONGER MID LEVEL PRESENCE...AND WILL BE STRONG ENOUGH TO
BREACH SUBSIDENCE CAP ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA. AT LOW LEVELS
EXPECTING TROPICAL WAVE TO ENTER THE ISLAND CHAIN EARLY ON
SATURDAY...AND PULL ACROSS THE USVI/PUERTO RICO LATER IN THE DAY.
DEEP MOISTURE WILL GRADUALLY INCREASE ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA...
PRESENTING RISK OF SCATTERED CONVECTION ACROSS THE NORTHEAST
CARIBBEAN ISLES. MODEL GUIDANCE...HOWEVER...ARE TRENDING TOWARDS
LOWER AMOUNTS THAN WHAT THEY PREVIOUSLY INDICATED.

LONG RANGE GUIDANCE SHOWING STRONGER PERTURBATION ENTERING THE
FORECAST AREA BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. THEY AGREE QUITE WELL ON
INTENSITY OF THIS FEATURE AND POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY RAINFALL AMOUNTS.

MARINERO...DGOA/MARN (EL SALVADOR)
CANTILLO...IDEAM (COLOMBIA)
GALVEZ...HPC (USA)
Here is the am discussion from the NCEP Caribbean desk. Rain expected later in the weekend from a passing wave but clear today. Notice how they break down the location of the TUTT cells. This discussion, because of their detailed analysis, comes in really handy during the CV season because they give us great insight and break down the large scale synoptic patterns across the Caribbean which can impact, or help, tropical systems entering that region;


See discussion below (You beat me to it Tropics).. Great discussions from this Desk.
Quoting weathermanwannabe:
Here is the am discussion from the NCEP Caribbean desk. Rain expected later in the weekend from a passing wave but clear today. Notice how they break down the location of the TUTT cells. This discussion, because of their detailed analysis, comes in really handy during the CV season because they give us great insight and break down the large scale synoptic patterns across the Caribbean which can impact, or help, tropical systems entering that region;


See discussion below (You beat me to it Tropics).. Great discussions from this Desk.


I agree. They do great discussions about every feature out there.
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


I agree. They do great discussions about every feature out there.


Their discussions really compliment the NHC discussions during a storm. NHC (for the general public) focuses on track and intensity issues, and covers some of this ground in their discussions, but NCEP breaks down the synoptic conditions and often also breaks down the model runs in plain English.
Quoting wxchaser97:

Wave still looks goodish


Look at that trof all the way to Florida in 192 Hours.Isn't that kinda far south for late July?
Quoting ktymisty:
The forecast for the Summit over the weekend is frightening.

37 degrees for monday.
Overcast in the morning, then mostly cloudy. Fog early. High of 37F with a windchill as low as 10F. Winds from the SSW at 10 to 15 mph.
Quoting ktymisty:
I just copied this from http://www.athropolis.com/map2.htm

for ALERT, NUNAVUT, CANADA


"Weather report as of 64 minutes ago (10:00 UTC):
The wind was blowing at a speed of 10.8 meters per second (24.2 miles per hour), with gusts to 13.9 meters per second (31.1 miles per hour), from South in Alert, Canada. The temperature was 12 degrees Celsius (54 degrees Fahrenheit). Air pressure was 1,009 hPa (29.79 inHg). Relative humidity was 54.0%. There were a few clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet) and a few clouds at a height of 6401 meters (21000 feet). The visibility was 24.1 kilometers (15.0 miles). Current weather is .


That's called a Chinook, right?
I have that feeling today!

Link
I see some people still won't give up on the blob eh?.
Get Low people.

Link
Quoting StormTracker2K:
Get Low people.

Link

Need For Speed Underground has that song.
I guess I killed the blog..?
Very disappointed this morning as we are likely going to miss out another possible rain event. Soon as this system hit the Mississippi it just evaporated. Local NWS already updating forecast to cut back on pops considerably across our area as the front is already now nearing the Ohio River. SPC has already cut back on the severe across our area as well.



Even this image update is exaggerated the westward extent of the outlook. Should be from Indy southwest to south of St. Louis and points east from there.

This drought is going to get much worse I feel. It's simply to large right now. Even when any given area gets relief it becomes quickly engulfed in the dry conditions in a matter of weeks because the of the huge area it encompasses and it continues to strengthen each passing week. The Gulf coast might be spared, but I'm afraid when September rolls around we are going to see vast areas of dark red from the TX panhandle up to the Great Lakes.


Quoting SFLWeatherman:


I saw that and that is concerning. I saw that this morning infact some of the ensembles are curving this wave/TS up the Greater Antillies and into FL. I didn't comment on it earlier as I am waiting for more consistancy and infact the Euro shifted west big time on the 0Z run basically developing this wave as it approaches PR.



Another Typhoon for China perhaps?
1103. Caner
"and such events occur naturally about every 150 years"...

"But if we continue to observe melting events like this in upcoming years, it will be worrisome," said Lora Koenig


So, Mr. Masters, the short version of what you are trying to say here is:

"No warming hype to report. Situation normal, nature working as intended."

That about sum it up?

Link
People in FL and all across the Greater Antillies better stay aware of this potential down the road.

We need something to track..badly..
Quoting ILwthrfan:
Very disappointed this morning as we are likely going to miss out another possible rain event. Soon as this system hit the Mississippi it just evaporated. Local NWS already updating forecast to cut back on pops considerably across our area as the front is already now nearing the Ohio River. SPC has already cut back on the severe across our area as well.



Even this image update is exaggerated the westward extent of the outlook. Should be from Indy southwest to south of St. Louis and points east from there.

This drought is going to get much worse I feel. It's simply to large right now. Even when any given area gets relief it becomes quickly engulfed in the dry conditions in a matter of weeks because the of the huge area it encompasses and it continues to strengthen each passing week. The Gulf coast might be spared, but I'm afraid when September rolls around we are going to see vast areas of dark red from the TX panhandle up to the Great Lakes.


Hope you get some rain but in a decent way and not a server thunderstorm/hurricane way.Unfortunately our rain has only come from server events this summer...
No surprise: it's getting worse.

--All 50 states are experiencing some level of drought ("abnormally dry") in at least some way.
--43 states are experiencing some amount of moderate drought
--22 states are experiencing some amount of extreme drought
--14 states are experiencing some amount of exceptional drought
--Five states are experiencing at least severe drought across 100% of their land area (Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Colorado, and Missouri)
--Arkansas is the most affected state, with 33.64% listed as exceptional, and nearly 76% listed as severe.
--Twice as much of the nation is experiencing severe to exceptional drought now as it was last year at this time.

Last week:

drought
drought

This week:

drought
droughtdrought

Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:


Another Typhoon for China perhaps?
nature.likes.twos
Quoting Neapolitan:
No surprise: it's getting worse.

--All 50 states are experiencing some level of drought ("abnormally dry") in at least some way.
--43 states are experiencing some amount of moderate drought
--22 states are experiencing some amount of extreme drought
--14 states are experiencing some amount of exceptional drought
--Five states are experiencing at least severe drought across 100% of their land area (Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Colorado, and Missouri)
--Arkansas is the most affected state, with 33.64% listed as exceptional, and nearly 76% listed as severe.
--Twice as much of the nation is experiencing severe to exceptional drought now as it was last year at this time.

Last week:

drought
drought

This week:

drought
droughtdrought



With El-Nino arriving that drought across the Midwest will only get worse as El-Nino typically gives the Midwest below average precip over the Fall and Winter months.

Quoting jiminceiba:
on that Greenland warming thing....uh,,how did it get the name GREENLAND?...seems to me I read there were Viking colonies there a 1000 years ago..I guess it melted back then due to all the coal fired plants and cars in North America?
Wanna buy some ocean front property in Arizona?
Quoting jiminceiba:
on that Greenland warming thing....uh,,how did it get the name GREENLAND?...seems to me I read there were Viking colonies there a 1000 years ago..I guess it melted back then due to all the coal fired plants and cars in North America?


Do about 5 minutes of research and you'll find out why it got the name Greenland, and why your reference shows a lack of context and perspective, as well as facts.
Quoting anglerfish:


That's called a Chinook, right?


I don't know...sorry. But it's a bit creepy
Quoting Caner:
"and such events occur naturally about every 150 years"...

"But if we continue to observe melting events like this in upcoming years, it will be worrisome," said Lora Koenig


So, Mr. Masters, the short version of what you are trying to say here is:

"No warming hype to report. Situation normal, nature working as intended."

That about sum it up?

Link


The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies

Link
Quoting StormTracker2K:
People in FL and all across the Greater Antillies better stay aware of this potential down the road.



Whats the time frame?
..Anyone want to discuss tropical weather...Or today's server outbreak?.
Quoting jiminceiba:
on that Greenland warming thing....uh,,how did it get the name GREENLAND?...seems to me I read there were Viking colonies there a 1000 years ago..I guess it melted back then due to all the coal fired plants and cars in North America?


I think the north will benefit greatly ( eventually ) from the melt. I know it's not a popular thing to say but still. There are many regions which will benefit ( again eventually ) and yes, when trees grow near the arctic circle the world will change and so will we.

/a slightly off-topic comment but the drift is the same
vis...large.amplitude.t.w...30w
I take that as a no..
1120. LargoFl
Quoting ktymisty:


I think the north will benefit greatly ( eventually ) from the melt. I know it's not a popular thing to say but still. There are many regions which will benefit ( again eventually ) and yes, when trees grow near the arctic circle the world will change and so will we.

/a slightly off-topic comment but the drift is the same
..there is a north sea passage that will open up,shipping will love that.
1121. LargoFl
Quoting StormTracker2K:
People in FL and all across the Greater Antillies better stay aware of this potential down the road.

..huh?
1122. yoboi
Quoting ScottLincoln:


Your comments claimed that the ships and planes in the Arctic were the sources of black carbon. People were correcting you because those are not the main sources of black carbon. Estimates of globally averaged sources for black carbon put transportation sources at maybe 10-20%. Energy production in developing countries is the largest factor, probably 30-50%. Considering that the number of ships/planes/automobiles in the Arctic region is barely a blip when compared to all global transportation, that would explain why people indicated that your post was incorrect.

It was not a conspiracy, it was not some "pounce-attack" where people just wanted say that you were wrong no matter what. People called you out because your statistics didn't make sense, and with just a little bit of research you would find similar numbers to me, helping you to correct your false claims.


wow... your trying to correct me about "false claims" with and quote your word "estimates" scott figured ya would back it up with facts.....not "estimates" that is as bad as using an analogy....
Quoting Caner:
"and such events occur naturally about every 150 years"...

"But if we continue to observe melting events like this in upcoming years, it will be worrisome," said Lora Koenig


So, Mr. Masters, the short version of what you are trying to say here is:

"No warming hype to report. Situation normal, nature working as intended."

That about sum it up?

Link
Not remotely. A re-read of Dr. Masters' post might help you get a better grasp on what he wrote (and re-directing your browser from WUWT's denialist extremism toward a site that's based on actual science certainly wouldn't hurt, either).

Quoting jiminceiba:
on that Greenland warming thing....uh,,how did it get the name GREENLAND?...seems to me I read there were Viking colonies there a 1000 years ago..I guess it melted back then due to all the coal fired plants and cars in North America?
Oh, a two-fer!

The Vikings attempted to eke out a living there. The name "Greenland" was a marketing ploy chosen (by Erik the Red) to lure the unsuspecting. Some came, realized they could reliably raise nothing, and then quickly abandoned the island. That's why, you know, all the old settlements are just that: old.

Now: have you an alternate explanation as to why the planet is experiencing rapid warming?
1124. LargoFl
There is a wicked cool video of a volcano erupting in Japan....it's on CNN's main page if you are interested

Link
Quoting washingtonian115:
..Anyone want to discuss tropical weather...Or today's server outbreak?.


We already had a few thundershowers move through to the far west of DC, ahead of the front, but none severe. A cold front is predicted to move through this afternoon and produce yet more storms. There is a large area of Moderate risk, but DC is not part of that.
Quoting Caner:
"and such events occur naturally about every 150 years"...

"But if we continue to observe melting events like this in upcoming years, it will be worrisome," said Lora Koenig


So, Mr. Masters, the short version of what you are trying to say here is:

"No warming hype to report. Situation normal, nature working as intended."

That about sum it up?

Link


No, not at all.

Situation not normal.
Nature not working as intended.



Here.



Regarding the torrent of ice melt in that river video, having twice the flood volume of the previous record is obviously not normal anywhere.

If pink polka-dotted gummy bears were spontaneously falling out of the sky would you call that normal too?
Quoting washingtonian115:
I take that as a no..


Actually, my brother lives in New York..near Schenectady...(he is in the Army)...his wife is from Korea and has been complaining about the heat...I am hoping the storms/rain will help cool things down for her.



Quoting ktymisty:


I think the north will benefit greatly ( eventually ) from the melt. I know it's not a popular thing to say but still. There are many regions which will benefit ( again eventually ) and yes, when trees grow near the arctic circle the world will change and so will we.

/a slightly off-topic comment but the drift is the same
It's been noted before that warming will certainly benefit some areas at some times, but the negative effects of a rapidly changing climate will far outweigh any positives. (Look at it this way: an obese person who develops terminal cancer probably won't do much celebrating over his rapid weight loss.)

Something else which people often fail to take into consideration when discussing moving agriculture farther north: while it will be warmer, there won't be more sunlight--and sunlight dictates what will grow and where as much as temperature and precipitation...
Quoting washingtonian115:
..Anyone want to discuss tropical weather...Or today's server outbreak?.

Both, of course.
Quoting goosegirl1:


We already had a few thundershowers move through to the far west of DC, ahead of the front, but none severe. A cold front is predicted to move through this afternoon and produce yet more storms. There is a large area of Moderate risk, but DC is not part of that.
Thank goodness .we need the rain.Just not the damage that comes with it.
Quoting muddertracker:


Actually, my brother lives in New York..near Schenectady...(he is in the Army)...his wife is from Korea and has been complaining about the heat...I am hoping the storms/rain will help cool things down for her.



sorry hon!.Just going to have to get use to it.You could recommend her to a place like Washington state where they are known to have cool summers.
1132. yoboi
Quoting Neapolitan:
It's been noted before that warming will certainly benefit some areas at some times, but the negative effects of a rapidly changing climate will far outweigh any positives. (Look at it this way: an obese person who develops terminal cancer probably won't do much celebrating over his rapid weight loss.)

Something else which people often fail to take into consideration when discussing moving agriculture farther north: while it will be warmer, there won't be more sunlight--and sunlight dictates what will grow and where as much as temperature and precipitation...



not really a true statement, they now have genetic seeds that don't require that much sunlight to grow and produce a larger harvest...
Weather Statements already up for NY:

...STRONG THUNDERSTORMS WILL IMPACT BERGEN...BRONX...FAIRFIELD... HUDSON...KINGS (BROOKLYN)...NEW YORK (MANHATTAN)...NORTHERN ESSEX... NORTHERN NASSAU...PASSAIC...QUEENS...ROCKLAND...SUFFOLK AND WESTCHESTER COUNTIES...

AT 843 AM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR WAS TRACKING STRONG THUNDERSTORMS ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM OSSINING TO NANUET TO RAMSEY TO 5 MILES SOUTHWEST OF WEST MILFORD...OR ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM OSSINING TO NANUET TO RAMSEY TO WEST MILFORD...AND MOVING SOUTHEAST AT 35 MPH.

WINDS UP TO 40 MPH ARE EXPECTED WITH THESE STORMS. IN ADDITION...VERY HEAVY RAIN IS OCCURRING WITH THESE STORMS. THIS COULD CAUSE PONDING OF WATER ON ROADWAYS...AND MINOR FLOODING OF POOR DRAINAGE AREAS.

LIGHTNING IS ONE OF NATURES NUMBER ONE KILLERS. REMEMBER...IF YOU CAN HEAR THUNDER...YOU ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE STRUCK BY LIGHTNING. MOVE TO SAFE SHELTER IMMEDIATELY.
1134. hydrus
PRELIMINARY EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
840 AM EDT THU JUL 26 2012

VALID 12Z MON JUL 30 2012 - 12Z THU AUG 02 2012


HIGH LATITUDE MID LEVEL VORTICES OVER NRN CANADA WILL CONSOLIDATE
INTO ONE MEAN MID LEVEL LOW AND PERSIST NORTHEAST OF HUDSON BAY
THIS PERIOD WITH A CONTINUATION OF A MID LEVEL BLOCKING RIDGE IN
THE NORTH ATLANTIC ACROSS THE DENMARK STRAIT. NOAM PATTERN
EVOLVES AGAIN INTO THE PERSISTENT EPAC/PAC NORTHWEST TROF WITH
CONTINUED MID LEVEL RIDGING IN THE PLAINS AND ALONG THE ROCKIES
FRONT RANGE WITH AN ERN CONUS TROF THAT MAY EXTEND AS FAR SOUTH AS
NRN FL
. OVERALL MID LEVEL HTS WILL BE SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE
ESPECIALLY OVER THE NRN HIGH PLAINS AND SLIGHTLY BELOW AVERAGE
WITH THE ERN CONUS TROF. WELL ABOVE AVG TEMPS WILL CONTINUE THRU
THE PLAINS TO THE WRN MS VALLEY THIS PERIOD.

OVERALL MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT. LARGEST DIFFERENCE IS THE
ECMWF DEEPER AND SLOWER NERN PAC VORTEX APPROACHING THE B.C. COAST
DAY 7 THURS. ALL OTHER GUIDANCE IS WEAKER AND FASTER WITH THIS
FEATURE WITH GOOD ENSEMBLE AGREEMENT WITH THE WEAKER AND FASTER
SOLUTION. UPDATED MORNING HPC PRELIMS BASED ON A BLEND OF GFS AND
ECMWF ENS MEANS THRU THE SEVEN DAY PERIOD.

MONSOONAL PRECIPITATION SHOULD CONTINUE FROM THE MEXICAN SIERRA
INTO SWRN CONUS ALONG WITH CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY IN THE SRN EDGE OF
THE WESTERLIES OVER THE CENTRAL CONUS RIDGE.

ATLANTIC AND CARRIBBEAN BASINS CONTINUE TO BE MOSTLY UNFAVORABLE
FOR TROPICAL DEVELOPMENT THIS PERIOD AS SEEN BY VELOCITY POTENTIAL
ANOMALIES WHILE THE WESTERN PACIFIC REMAINS HIGHLY FAVORABLE. AN
EASTERLY WAVE MAY APPROACH THE LESSER ANTILLIES TUES/WED WITH A
DECREASING NUMBER OF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS FAVORING THIS THAN PREVIOUS
DAYS AND ENCOUNTERING MORE SHEAR AND LESS MOISTURE LESSENING ITS
CHANCE OF MUCH IMPACT.
ROSENSTEIN




1135. ncstorm
Good Morning Everyone!!
Wash115, I think the focus today will be about the severe weather in the NE states as the North Atlantic is relativly quiet.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Thank goodness .we need the rain.Just not the damage that comes with it.sorry hon!.Just going to have to get use to it.You could recommend her to a place like Washington state where they are known to have cool summers.


yeah...I wish...my brother's a lifer..she goes where he goes..lol She hated Texas, hated Virginia, Really Hated Alabama, hates NY...lol...the only place she really likes is home (S. Korea) and Italy (but they were only there a very short time).
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
Wash115, I think the focus today will be about the severe weather in the NE states as the North Atlantic is relativly quiet.
Yes I know that's what I said inn my post 1115(lol).
Quoting washingtonian115:
We need something to track..badly.. Hope you get some rain but in a decent way and not a server thunderstorm/hurricane way.Unfortunately our rain has only come from server events this summer...


Yes, could always do without the severe, although to get a real good rain...

We need about 2-4 tropical storms to come out of the GULF and move north to sit and spin. We are already -10 to -15 inches to date across the area.
1141. pcola57
Good morning WU blogers..
Looks as if a significant high danger of severe weather today for some of us..
Possibly some needed rainfall as well..

1142. ncstorm
Quoting hydrus:
PRELIMINARY EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
840 AM EDT THU JUL 26 2012

VALID 12Z MON JUL 30 2012 - 12Z THU AUG 02 2012


HIGH LATITUDE MID LEVEL VORTICES OVER NRN CANADA WILL CONSOLIDATE
INTO ONE MEAN MID LEVEL LOW AND PERSIST NORTHEAST OF HUDSON BAY
THIS PERIOD WITH A CONTINUATION OF A MID LEVEL BLOCKING RIDGE IN
THE NORTH ATLANTIC ACROSS THE DENMARK STRAIT. NOAM PATTERN
EVOLVES AGAIN INTO THE PERSISTENT EPAC/PAC NORTHWEST TROF WITH
CONTINUED MID LEVEL RIDGING IN THE PLAINS AND ALONG THE ROCKIES
FRONT RANGE WITH AN ERN CONUS TROF THAT MAY EXTEND AS FAR SOUTH AS
NRN FL
. OVERALL MID LEVEL HTS WILL BE SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE
ESPECIALLY OVER THE NRN HIGH PLAINS AND SLIGHTLY BELOW AVERAGE
WITH THE ERN CONUS TROF. WELL ABOVE AVG TEMPS WILL CONTINUE THRU
THE PLAINS TO THE WRN MS VALLEY THIS PERIOD.

OVERALL MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT. LARGEST DIFFERENCE IS THE
ECMWF DEEPER AND SLOWER NERN PAC VORTEX APPROACHING THE B.C. COAST
DAY 7 THURS. ALL OTHER GUIDANCE IS WEAKER AND FASTER WITH THIS
FEATURE WITH GOOD ENSEMBLE AGREEMENT WITH THE WEAKER AND FASTER
SOLUTION. UPDATED MORNING HPC PRELIMS BASED ON A BLEND OF GFS AND
ECMWF ENS MEANS THRU THE SEVEN DAY PERIOD.

MONSOONAL PRECIPITATION SHOULD CONTINUE FROM THE MEXICAN SIERRA
INTO SWRN CONUS ALONG WITH CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY IN THE SRN EDGE OF
THE WESTERLIES OVER THE CENTRAL CONUS RIDGE.

ATLANTIC AND CARRIBBEAN BASINS CONTINUE TO BE MOSTLY UNFAVORABLE
FOR TROPICAL DEVELOPMENT THIS PERIOD AS SEEN BY VELOCITY POTENTIAL
ANOMALIES WHILE THE WESTERN PACIFIC REMAINS HIGHLY FAVORABLE. AN
EASTERLY WAVE MAY APPROACH THE LESSER ANTILLIES TUES/WED WITH A
DECREASING NUMBER OF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS FAVORING THIS THAN PREVIOUS
DAYS AND ENCOUNTERING MORE SHEAR AND LESS MOISTURE LESSENING ITS
CHANCE OF MUCH IMPACT.
ROSENSTEIN






there are so many factors with a trough..will the wave/cyclone be strong enough to feel the effect..the 06z GFS keeps it very weak and heads it west into the GOM..the Euro has a much stronger system and therefore it feels the trough..also you have to factor into the timing of trough and the approaching system..will it be there to pull the system north or will it miss it and oh well, you got a problem on your hands then..
1143. LargoFl
Quoting muddertracker:
Weather Statements already up for NY:

...STRONG THUNDERSTORMS WILL IMPACT BERGEN...BRONX...FAIRFIELD... HUDSON...KINGS (BROOKLYN)...NEW YORK (MANHATTAN)...NORTHERN ESSEX... NORTHERN NASSAU...PASSAIC...QUEENS...ROCKLAND...SUFFOLK AND WESTCHESTER COUNTIES...

AT 843 AM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR WAS TRACKING STRONG THUNDERSTORMS ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM OSSINING TO NANUET TO RAMSEY TO 5 MILES SOUTHWEST OF WEST MILFORD...OR ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM OSSINING TO NANUET TO RAMSEY TO WEST MILFORD...AND MOVING SOUTHEAST AT 35 MPH.

WINDS UP TO 40 MPH ARE EXPECTED WITH THESE STORMS. IN ADDITION...VERY HEAVY RAIN IS OCCURRING WITH THESE STORMS. THIS COULD CAUSE PONDING OF WATER ON ROADWAYS...AND MINOR FLOODING OF POOR DRAINAGE AREAS.

LIGHTNING IS ONE OF NATURES NUMBER ONE KILLERS. REMEMBER...IF YOU CAN HEAR THUNDER...YOU ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE STRUCK BY LIGHTNING. MOVE TO SAFE SHELTER IMMEDIATELY.
..good to see they are getting the rains
1145. LargoFl
.........................................nice line of storms out in the Gulf
t.w30w.15n....got.to.watch.this.one.closely...
1147. pcola57
Quoting LargoFl:
.........................................nice line of storms out in the Gulf


Yes they have been there for quite a few days..
wish they would make up their mind and go "somewhere"..LOL.. :)
1148. LargoFl
...........................................wow just look at the gulf water temps..its amazing nothing is trying to form out there
Quoting Neapolitan:
The name "Greenland" was a marketing ploy


let's be honest, if we're going to take the name of a country as 100% indicative of its actual qualities, then north korea is a democracy.
In reply to Neopolitan, I want to point out that in the next decade or two, we might see forms of geoengineering that will whiten the sky, preventing sunlight from reaching the Earth, and thereby reduce further the amount of sun needed to grow crops. Of course, the plan is to cool us down, but it's a catch-22.
1151. kwgirl
Quoting washingtonian115:
..Anyone want to discuss tropical weather...Or today's server outbreak?.
Will the outbreak of servers be severe? Sorry, could't contain myself. Good morning all! another hot sticky day in the keys. Luckily no POPS and the wind is calm. Perfect weather for hunting bugs. Have a good day everyone. And those in the anticipated severe weather area, please stay safe.
1152. ncstorm
the SPC added a little area near GA, FL and included all of VA..I knew it was going to expand some further down south..

1153. pcola57
Quoting LargoFl:
...........................................wow just look at the gulf water temps..its amazing nothing is trying to form out there


Bathwater..LOL
1154. LargoFl
Quoting pcola57:


Yes they have been there for quite a few days..
wish they would make up their mind and go "somewhere"..LOL.. :)
..they might just come onshore again today..something to watch when the sea breeze starts up
1155. LargoFl
....looking up at around ny or mass..see the blue watch...are they thinking whatever that is hitting the northeast..Might develop out in the atlantic at some point?..that is NOT 98L
Quoting LargoFl:
...........................................wow just look at the gulf water temps..its amazing nothing is trying to form out there


Lots of fuel...
Quoting ncstorm:
the SPC added a little area near GA, FL and included all of VA..I knew it was going to expand some further down south..



The moderate risk was pushed south to my area- some the teenage boys will be jealous :) but the shine is wearing off for me.
1158. LargoFl
.............................watch the swirl develop at the end of the run,maybe this is what they are watching for off the coast of new england
Quoting yoboi:



not really a true statement, they now have genetic seeds that don't require that much sunlight to grow and produce a larger harvest...
What a win-win that would be for Mega Corporations, huh? ExxonMobil can render the world unlivable, then Monsanto can save the day by warping nature through GMOs! We can pay for unhealthy air and water--then we can pay again for intentionally mutant veggies from a lab. I can barely wait! :-\

On a larger point: the persistent belief that the technology that got us into this mess will get us out of it falls squarely in the realm of "magical thinking".
1160. dabirds
Hey ILwthr, was sad watching those reds/yellows change to light green or poof this a.m. Kind of expected it though. Looking at those updated drought maps, it appears we are going to challenge/break another '34 record - the bad one - sooner than I expected.
1162. NSB207
Seems we in Florida are entering the doldrum month of August. Ocean and land temps closer and seabreeze minimal.

I remember growing up in Miami with out A/C
A fan did a pretty good job!
1163. hydrus
A long way out, but it is interesting. Shows a low nearing Florida.
1164. yoboi
Quoting Neapolitan:
What a win-win that would be for Mega Corporations, huh? ExxonMobil can render the world unlivable, then Monsanto can save the day by warping nature through GMOs! We can pay for unhealthy air and water--then we can pay again for intentionally mutant veggies from a lab. I can barely wait! :-\

On a larger point: the persistent belief that the technology that got us into this mess will get us out of it falls squarely in the realm of "magical thinking".


did not say the veggies would be good for ya....they are altering seeds to grow in almost any condition...
Quoting pcola57:


Bathwater..LOL


For sure. We definitely need something in there to expend some of that energy...just think if nothing forms in (or gets there) until mid September? Ugh!
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1167. LargoFl
1168. hydrus
Quoting Neapolitan:
What a win-win that would be for Mega Corporations, huh? ExxonMobil can render the world unlivable, then Monsanto can save the day by warping nature through GMOs! We can pay for unhealthy air and water--then we can pay again for intentionally mutant veggies from a lab. I can barely wait! :-\

On a larger point: the persistent belief that the technology that got us into this mess will get us out of it falls squarely in the realm of "magical thinking".
they want to see magic i suggest they watch greenland the next eight days
and ice will disappear right before their eyes
1170. LargoFl
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


All of the warming events mentioned are regional and not global warming events. As I stated yesterday, their intent is to make the argument seem reasonable. Through the use of smoke and mirrors, this is another misrepresentation and a misdirection of the facts. Research the events mentioned and discover it they were truly global, as the author tries to lead you to believe, or if they were regional. Also, know the source of the information. The author of this article: A geologist that has worked for the petroleum industry for the past 10 years. I most appreciate his capabilities - "The ability to research a topic goes hand in hand with strong problem solving ability. My IT skills are a product of a keen research capability, while my web site is a testament to my problem solving skills." - Wow! Just wow! His website is a testament to his problem solving skills??? What problems has he solved??? Why did he not just say that his skill set trumps the thousands of climatologists that have a PhD in climatology and 20, 30, 40 years or more of study in their field of expertise? OK, I do admit that all of this is circumstantial evidence that this author is biased towards the message of the petroleum industry. Do some research and discover for yourself what his intents are.

Here is some more from his own mouth - "Welcome to the apologetics part of my site where I discuss some of my own opinions concerning scientific issues of interest to the public." - Are you impressed yet? He is going to give us his opinions of the scientific issues. Why not use the data that the science is based on????

Look, we all know that you can do a Google search and find information that supports your way of thinking. The information is useless unless it can be fully supported by the facts. His "warming" periods throughout man's history were REGIONAL events and not GLOBAL events. He starts off his conversation with a deception! .... Geeeeeeeeeeze!!!
..hmmm all thru the earths history it has gone from warm to cold, over and over again, the only difference in THIS change..is that WE are here to witness it happening in OUR time..Mother earth is Laughing at us
1171. LargoFl
Humans need to adapt to the changing weather patterns just as the animals and insects do..trouble is we are so set in our ways..hmmm maybe like the dinosaurs were?...and where..are THEY now?
Quoting LargoFl:
..hmmm all thru the earths history it has gone from warm to cold, over and over again, the only difference in THIS change..is that WE are here to witness it happening in OUR time..Mother earth is Laughing at us
yes it has happen correct but its happening faster and faster then ever before and it will continue to become faster and faster than before
1173. yoboi
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


All of the warming events mentioned are regional and not global warming events. As I stated yesterday, their intent is to make the argument seem reasonable. Through the use of smoke and mirrors, this is another misrepresentation and a misdirection of the facts. Research the events mentioned and discover it they were truly global, as the author tries to lead you to believe, or if they were regional. Also, know the source of the information. The author of this article: A geologist that has worked for the petroleum industry for the past 10 years. I most appreciate his capabilities - "The ability to research a topic goes hand in hand with strong problem solving ability. My IT skills are a product of a keen research capability, while my web site is a testament to my problem solving skills." - Wow! Just wow! His website is a testament to his problem solving skills??? What problems has he solved??? Why did he not just say that his skill set trumps the thousands of climatologists that have a PhD in climatology and 20, 30, 40 years or more of study in their field of expertise? OK, I do admit that all of this is circumstantial evidence that this author is biased towards the message of the petroleum industry. Do some research and discover for yourself what his intents are.

Here is some more from his own mouth - "Welcome to the apologetics part of my site where I discuss some of my own opinions concerning scientific issues of interest to the public." - Are you impressed yet? He is going to give us his opinions of the scientific issues. Why not use the data that the science is based on????

Look, we all know that you can do a Google search and find information that supports your way of thinking. The information is useless unless it can be fully supported by the facts. His "warming" periods throughout man's history were REGIONAL events and not GLOBAL events. He starts off his conversation with a deception! .... Geeeeeeeeeeze!!!


i have a question, when doing a global study do you use any regional data ??? i really don't know the answer..
Quoting dabirds:
Hey ILwthr, was sad watching those reds/yellows change to light green or poof this a.m. Kind of expected it though. Looking at those updated drought maps, it appears we are going to challenge/break another '34 record - the bad one - sooner than I expected.


Yes it's bad. I see that your area just broke the all-time number of days above 105 for a single season on July 25th. Ridiculous. Statistics for the St. Louis area. Hopefully this will change for the good, but CPC says three more months of historical heat.


> 105 degrees
1. 11x's - 2012*
2. 10x's - 1934
3. 8x's - 1936
4. 6x's - 1930
5. 5x's - 1954/1901
7. 4x's - 1980/1966
9. 2x's - 1881


> 100 degrees
1. 37x's - 1936
2. 29x's - 1934
3. 22x's - 1954
4. 21x's - 1930
5. 18x's -1980/1881
7. 16x's - 2012*
8. 15x's - 2011/1953/1901
1175. pcola57
The African waves are lining up...
Not wanting to be an alarmist but they are Huge this year..

Satallite:Afrika yr.no.
Quoting hydrus:
A long way out, but it is interesting. Shows a low nearing Florida.


Yeah I saw that this morning. Very interesting and one we need to watch as we head into next week.
Quoting hydrus:


A Florida cross tracker as Baha said yesterday?
Quoting pcola57:
The African waves are lining up...
Not wanting to be an alarmist but they are Huge this year..

Satallite:Afrika yr.no.


Wait until you see the size of the ones that start to roll out in late August................:)
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting LargoFl:
..huh?


next week there are signs we may have something to track later in the week.

1182. hydrus
Quoting StormTracker2K:


A Florida cross tracker as Baha said yesterday?
Too far out, but it should be interesting. It will probably develop into a named system.
Quoting yoboi:


did not say the veggies would be good for ya....they are altering seeds to grow in almost any condition...
Vegetable matter grows via photosynthesis, of course, a process in which sunlight is converted into chemical energy that feeds plants. Through evolution, nature has optimized this process over a period of many millions of years. Now, a profit-over-people corporation such as Monsanto may come along with promises that their labs have created plants that create more chemical energy from the same amount of sunlight, which to many is the equivalent of a weightlifter bulking up on artificial steroids.

First, I don't want to eat any such food. Nor do I want my children, their children, or anyone I care about eating it.

Second, Monsanto is infamous for genetically engineering the seeds they sell to be non-reproductive. IOW, the melon, tomato, and apple seeds they sell are sterile, and can't be used to grow more crops; a farmer--or someone trying to live off the land in the newly agricultural region of Northern Alaska--will have to buy seeds from them every year. Isn't that great?

Third, as with the oil situation, this is putting entirely too much power into the hands of an industry that has already proven that humans count less than dollars.

I could go on, but I won't. The bottom line is, bad all the way around. Wouldn't it be better to just kick our fossil fuel habit as quickly as possible?
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1185. pcola57
Quoting pcola57:
The African waves are lining up...
Not wanting to be an alarmist but they are Huge this year..

Satallite:Afrika yr.no.


Thanks for the update Dr. Masters..
This drought is very serious indeed..
I wondered last night and posted on the blog about the Jet Steam and it's influence concerning the drought..
Chicklit and I reasearch as best we could and really could not come up with a good link for it..
WU has a daily graphic but it's not very good (sorry WU)..
Anyone have a better time lapseto current and forecasted Link out out there?
TIA.. :)
1186. CJ5
Quoting Neapolitan:
What a win-win that would be for Mega Corporations, huh? ExxonMobil can render the world unlivable, then Monsanto can save the day by warping nature through GMOs! We can pay for unhealthy air and water--then we can pay again for intentionally mutant veggies from a lab. I can barely wait! :-\

On a larger point: the persistent belief that the technology that got us into this mess will get us out of it falls squarely in the realm of "magical thinking".


Well, if you want to give up on technology then why are you so concerned with global warming? Technology is the ONLY thing that is going to make this planet sustainable for the population in the future. If you don't want or believe that, then the next best alternative is for GW to destroy most of the population and those that live can go back to living in caves and grass huts!