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Morocco hits 121°F (49.6°C): a national all-time heat record

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:01 AM GMT on July 18, 2012

The first new all-time national temperature record of 2012 belongs to Morocco, thanks to the 121.3°F (49.6°C) temperature measured at Marrakech on July 17, 2012. According to the Wunderground International Records data base maintained by our weather historian, Christopher C. Burt, the previous record was 120.4°F (49.1°C) at Agadir on July 30, 2009. A hotter temperature of 51.7°C (125.1°F) was reported from Aghadir (Agadir) Souss Massa Dra region on 17 August 1940 during a chergui wind event. However, this reading is considered unreliable by weather records researcher Maximiliano Herrera, since the temperature was 6°C higher than that measured at nearby stations.

Seven nations set all time heat records in 2011. Nineteen nations (plus the the U.K.'s Ascension Island) set all-time extreme heat records in 2010. One nation (Zambia, in 2011) set an all-time cold record during the period 2010 - 2012. With a very hot airmass in place over much of North Africa, the Middle East, and Western Asia the remainder of this week, more all-time national heat records may fall.


Figure 1. A sample image of what the new Fire Risk layer on our wundermap looks like. This is the Keetch-Byram Drought Index, one of several indices that can be used to measure fire risk. Blue and green colors represent lower risks, while yellow and orange colors show higher risk. The highest risk is shown in dark red. The legend for the Fire Risk layer explains that these highest risk areas are often associated with more severe drought with increased wildfire occurrence. Intense, deep burning fires with significant downwind spotting can be expected. Live fuels can also be expected to burn actively at these levels.

Wunderground releases new fire risk layer on its wundermap
Our interactive wundermap, which allows one to overlay multiple meteorological data sets, has a new layer: a Fire Risk layer. Using data from the U.S. Forest Service's Wildland Fire Assessment System, we give you option to plot up U.S. fire danger using a variety of options: Fire Danger Rating, Lower Atmosphere Stability (Haines Index), Keetch-Byram Drought Index, 10-hr Dead Fuel Moisture, 100-hr Dead Fuel Moisture, and 1000-hr Dead Fuel Moisture. According to the National Interagency Fire Center, California currently has the most number of of large fires burning of any state (5), which makes sense, given what the fire risk map above is showing.

Jeff Masters

Heat

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Quoting 954FtLCane:


What would happen to the blog if this were to happen for the rest of the season? hmmmmmm. Talk amongst yourselves.

The 1930 Atlantic hurricane season was one of the least active hurricane seasons on record, with only three documented tropical cyclones. In the North Atlantic Ocean, hurricanes generally form between the months of June and November, with most occurring in August and September. The first system of the year formed on June 14 and the last dissipated on October 21. Two of the three storms developed into major hurricanes and the latter of these was one of the deadliest tropical cyclones on record, killing between 2,000 to 8,000 people in the Dominican Republic.
I'm sure their were at least a few other storms..Maybe nine named storms for the whole season.
Quoting Tribucanes:
I have been given HUGE leeway in speech here. There is no suppression of speech here. This is the only time this has happened to one of my many comments. Focus should stay on tropical weather and climate. But larger discussions had during slow times can be enlightening and allow for a good back and forth of ideas. When I go too far, which has happened twice, WU says "See ya in 24". WU does a great job in allowing free speech in my opinion.


with great power comes great responsibility
could anyone estimate for me?
weather.for.the.british.open?
Quoting Articuno:
could anyone estimate for me?
Late afternoon into this evening.So between 4p.m and 9p.m
Quoting Articuno:
could anyone estimate for me?
never mind
Quoting washingtonian115:
Late afternoon into this evening.So between 4p.m and 9p.m

Alright. I am trusting you since your the only one who answers. xD
Thanks.
Hopefully if it does rain it is only rain.
SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
151 PM AST WED JUL 18 2012

PRC011-083-093-097-125-181845-
ANASCO PR-MARICAO PR-SAN GERMAN PR-LAS MARIAS PR-MAYAGUEZ PR-
151 PM AST WED JUL 18 2012

AT 147 PM AST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR DETECTED A
STRONG THUNDERSTORM..OVER MARICAO...8 MILES EAST OF MAYAGUEZ...OR
ABOUT 6 MILES NORTH OF SAN GERMAN...MOVING WEST AT 15 MPH.

HEAVY RAINS MAY FLOOD LOW LYING AREAS SUCH AS DITCHES AND
UNDERPASSES. AVOID THESE AREAS AND DO NOT CROSS FLOODED ROADS AS THEY
MAY BE WASHED OUT. WATER LEVELS OF SMALL STREAMS AND RIVERS MAY ALSO
RISE...THEREFORE SEEK HIGHER GROUND IF THREATENED BY FLOOD WATERS.

INTENSE LIGHTNING IS REPORTED WITH THIS STORM. IF OUTDOORS...STAY
AWAY FROM ISOLATED HIGH OBJECTS SUCH AS TREES. MOVE INDOORS IF
POSSIBLE. WHEN INDOORS...STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS AND DOORS AND AVOID
USING TELEPHONES UNLESS IT IS AN EMERGENCY. TRY TO UNPLUG UNNECESSARY
ELECTRICAL APPLIANCES BEFORE THE THUNDERSTORM APPROACHES. ALSO...
SMALL HAIL IS POSIBLE WITH THIS STRONG THUNDERSTORM.

$$

CASTRO
Quoting Articuno:
could anyone estimate for me?


Looks like you've 2-3 hours before that line arrives. The little white arrows indicate predicted storm motion for the next hour. I don't generally track storm formation in your area, so I can't say for sure, but another line might pop up ahead of this one. It's probably safe to say you won't see storms for at least an hour, but after that it's uncertain.



EDIT: not sure why most of the white arrows aren't showing up, but suffice it to say this line is roughly 2-3 hours away from the Baltimore metro area.
Quoting Waltanater:
If the blog allows that then they have to allow freedom of speech for the comment itself (within reason of course).
This is the comments section of a blog, not the government. The operators of this blog can promote or remove anyone they like.
Thanks.
Maybe I should head to the pool tomorrow instead.
Quoting MrMixon:


Looks like you've 2-3 hours before that line arrives. The little white arrows indicate predicted storm motion for the next hour. I don't generally track storm formation in your area, so another line might pop up ahead of this one. It's probably safe to say you won't see storms for at least an hour, but after that it's uncertain.

Those will probably explode when they get into the I-95 corridor.We could get up to 100 today and with this heat and humidity..I'm having flashbacks of the pass few server weather events..."No power and damage"
Quoting washingtonian115:
I'm sure their were at least a few other storms..Maybe nine named storms for the whole season.

I would agree. But I am thinking were not going to have the wild season some thought after the 4 early storms. I think we're going to end up with around 10-12 total storms with 4-5 more canes and 2-3 of them being majors. That due to the El Nino starting but not being as strong as some models supported.
Quoting washingtonian115:
We could get up to 100 today and with this heat and humidity
I think that boat has sailed:

hot

...and it's no cooler up north:

hot
Craaazy the atmosphere is worked over, but there must be an ULL nearby causing the huge shield of rain out in the Gulf:

I would just like to announce that Washingtonian and I have kissed and made up (virtually). We just had a little misunderstanding. Now, we are getting married.

...Just kidding. Her husband might not think too highly of that decision. :-)
On another note, I just realized that my handle's 6th birthday was 3 days ago. Whoops...
Yay!.And your under aged so I'll be getting arrested.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Yay!.And your under aged so I'll be getting arrested.


Lol...Chick, the only thing I'm underage for is social security. I'm nearly 25.
Quoting MississippiWx:
On another note, I just realized that my handle's 6th birthday was 3 days ago. Whoops...

What is your handle's age in blog years?
:)
Quoting MississippiWx:
On another note, I just realized that my handle's 6th birthday was 3 days ago. Whoops...

You do realize thats 2195 comments a year,
2.85 comments a day, every day. Or roughly 1 comment every 8 hours of everyday for 6 years.
Quoting MississippiWx:


Lol...Chick, the only thing I'm underage for is social security. I'm nearly 25.
I thought you were a teenager.Lol.
Quoting MississippiWx:
On another note, I just realized that my handle's 6th birthday was 3 days ago. Whoops...


i missed passing 3000 comments, last i remember was 2980 and now im up in the 3070s.
Quoting Neapolitan:
I think that boat has sailed:

hot

...and it's no cooler up north:

hot

At least the dewpoints are pretty low, that's keeping the heat index values manageable.

Well, manageable if you lived in Texas I suppose...
Quoting washingtonian115:
I thought you were a teenager.Lol.


not everyone here is young.
You tryna be the motherly figure on the blog or something?
530. wxmod
Quoting Minnemike:
i would use your argument to support mine, such that our innate sensibilities require a specific bandwidth of order rendering non-recognizable patterns as 'chaotic'. i suggest that the universal fabric is a pattern, whether recognizable by our senses or not. big fan of fractal cognition here ;)

Interesting. Definitely a possibility.
Quoting VR46L:


Thank you !! I dont live in the US, but I always thought a website based in the United States, would have more leniency. Goes to show what I know!!


Depends on who is Admin for the day..
The Largest Natural Disaster In U.S. History: The Endless Drought Of 2012 Will Bake America Well Into August

Why is the heartland of the United States experiencing such a horrific drought right now? At the moment, approximately 61 percent of the entire nation is experiencing drought conditions, and this is absolutely devastating farmers and ranchers all over the country. Less than two weeks ago I wrote an article asking what would happen if these drought conditions persisted, and now we are finding out. The U.S. Department of Agriculture has created the largest natural disaster area in U.S. history. The USDA has declared 1,016 counties in 26 U.S. states to be disaster areas. The USDA declaration basically covered about half of the nation, and there is now no denying how horrible this drought really is. You can see a map of this disaster area right here. This endless drought is being compared to the nightmarish drought of 1988, and if it persists into August it could become perhaps the worst drought that America has ever seen. The USDA says that approximately 60 percent of all corn in the country is experiencing "moderate to extreme" drought conditions. If this drought does not end soon, the losses are going to be mind blowing. Already, it is estimated that farmers and ranchers have suffered billions of dollars in damage. How much worse can things get?

At the beginning of July many were hoping that we would soon see some rain and that we could still see a decent corn harvest.

Unfortunately, the drought has gotten even worse since that time. The following is from an article in the Chicago Tribune....

The whole of Iowa was classified as abnormally dry as of July 10 and 12.7 percent of the top corn and soybean producing state was in severe drought, up from 0.8 percent the prior week.

Harder-hit Illinois, the No. 2 corn and soy state, was 66.28 percent under severe drought or worse, up from 40 percent the previous week.

Severe to exceptional drought covered 80.15 percent of Indiana, versus 68.84 percent the prior week.

Conditions in Missouri also deteriorated, with 82.54 percent of the state in severe drought or worse, compared with 78.83 percent the week before.


That is not good news.

Posted below is the latest update from the U.S. drought monitor. As you can see, nearly the entire southern half of the country is extremely dry right now....


It is being projected that in some of the major corn growing areas as much as 60 percent of the crops could be lost.

Many farmers that had been desperately hoping for rain are now becoming resigned to the fact that their crops are not going to make it. The following is from an article in the New York Times....

"Corn is anywhere from knee-high to waist-high," Gonzalee Martin, agriculture and natural resources educator with Purdue University’s Allen County extension office, told The News-Sentinel. "Much of it has already tassled with no ears at all. Much of it’s going to be completely lost"

When your livelihood depends on the weather, an endless drought can be extremely stressful. Many farmers that had been anticipating a bumper crop this year are now faced with an utter disaster. The following example comes from CNN....

Now, as punishing drought grips the Midwest, Villwock, 61, walks his hard-hit 4,000 acres in southwest Indiana in utter dismay.

Where there should have been tall, dark green, leafy plants, there now stand corn stalks that are waist high or, at best, chest high. They are pale in color and spindly. Fragile. Tired.

Pull back an ear's husk and you find no kernels, he says. With temperatures rising above 95 degrees, the pollen starts to die.

"It's emotionally draining," he said. "The crop got out of the ground very well. We were so optimistic. But maybe a few of us were counting our eggs before they were hatched."


So is there any hope that things are going to turn around?

Unfortunately, things do not look promising right now. It is being projected that the Corn Belt will experience extremely high temperatures and very low rainfall all the way through mid-August. The following report comes from accuweather.com....

AccuWeather.com agricultural meteorologists are concerned that new and frequent waves of near-100-degree temperatures and stingy rainfall will further stress crops over Iowa, Illinois and Nebraska into mid-August.

Quoting washingtonian115:
I thought you were a teenager.Lol.


And I'm Rita and female....
URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH NUMBER 493
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
100 PM CDT WED JUL 18 2012

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

NORTHEAST AND EAST-CENTRAL IOWA
NORTHERN ILLINOIS
FAR NORTHWEST INDIANA
FAR SOUTHEAST MINNESOTA
SOUTHERN WISCONSIN
LAKE MICHIGAN

EFFECTIVE THIS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 100 PM UNTIL
800 PM CDT.

HAIL TO 1.5 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS TO 70
MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.

THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 70
STATUTE MILES NORTH AND SOUTH OF A LINE FROM 40 MILES SOUTHWEST
OF ROCHESTER MINNESOTA TO 20 MILES SOUTH SOUTHEAST OF VALPARAISO
INDIANA. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE
ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU3).

REMEMBER...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE
FAVORABLE FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAN AND OCCASIONALLY
DO PRODUCE TORNADOES.

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 490...WW 491...WW 492...

DISCUSSION...TSTMS CURRENTLY DEVELOPING INVOF STATIONARY BOUNDARY
OVER SRN MN/NRN IA ARE LIKELY BEING FORCED BY MCV NE OF SUX.
UPSCALE GROWTH OF STORMS INTO A SEWD-MOVING MCS APPEARS POSSIBLE
LATER THIS AFTERNOON. ELY INFLOW OF A VERY MOIST...
MODERATE-STRONGLY UNSTABLE AIR MASS INTO DEVELOPING CONVECTIVE
SYSTEM WILL ENHANCE UPDRAFT VIGOR WITH A RISK FOR DAMAGING WINDS AND
LARGE HAIL. ADDITIONAL...MORE ISOLATED STORM FORMATION WILL OCCUR
SEWD ALONG SURFACE FRONT ACROSS NRN IL WITH THE STRONG INSTABILITY
PROMOTING STRONG UP/DOWNDRAFTS CAPABLE OF DAMAGING WINDS AND HAIL.

AVIATION...A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL SURFACE AND ALOFT
TO 1.5 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE WIND GUSTS TO 60
KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO 500. MEAN STORM
MOTION VECTOR 31025.
Quoting hydrus:
How does a blogger find out if he or she gets a minus.?


only ADMIN can tell you that I believe..I have looked on my personal profile and I dont see that option..
I'm having a good day...

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 345 PM
EDT FOR NORTHERN WINDHAM...NORTHEASTERN TOLLAND...EXTREME EAST
CENTRAL HAMPDEN...EXTREME SOUTHWESTERN NORFOLK...EXTREME
SOUTHEASTERN WORCESTER AND NORTHWESTERN PROVIDENCE COUNTIES...

AT 246 PM EDT...DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM
CAPABLE OF PRODUCING LARGE DAMAGING HAIL UP TO GOLF BALL SIZE AND
DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 70 MPH. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR
WOODSTOCK...OR 8 MILES NORTHWEST OF PUTNAM...MOVING EAST AT 30
MPH. IN ADDITION...THERE ARE SOME SIGNS OF ROTATION NEAR
BURRILLVILLE RHODE ISLAND. WHILE ITS NOT IMMINENT...THERE IS A LOW
RISK OF A TORNADO DEVELOPING.
Quoting RitaEvac:


And I'm Rita and female....


hmph.
im sure some people think that
Quoting MAweatherboy1:
I'm having a good day...

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 345 PM
EDT FOR NORTHERN WINDHAM...NORTHEASTERN TOLLAND...EXTREME EAST
CENTRAL HAMPDEN...EXTREME SOUTHWESTERN NORFOLK...EXTREME
SOUTHEASTERN WORCESTER AND NORTHWESTERN PROVIDENCE COUNTIES...

AT 246 PM EDT...DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM
CAPABLE OF PRODUCING LARGE DAMAGING HAIL UP TO GOLF BALL SIZE AND
DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 70 MPH. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR
WOODSTOCK...OR 8 MILES NORTHWEST OF PUTNAM...MOVING EAST AT 30
MPH. IN ADDITION...THERE ARE SOME SIGNS OF ROTATION NEAR
BURRILLVILLE RHODE ISLAND. WHILE ITS NOT IMMINENT...THERE IS A LOW
RISK OF A TORNADO DEVELOPING.


fun, use your camera.

been a long time since ive had a severe tstorm with golfball size hailed warned or 70mph winds
Quoting bluheelrtx:
This is the comments section of a blog, not the government. The operators of this blog can promote or remove anyone they like.
You're right!
This blog cannot be compared to a nation state....nor can its bloggers be to citizens.

Whatever it was, it is no more:

invest_DEACTIVATE_al912012.ren
Not sure if this has been shared on here yet but it's definitely worth sharing.

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index .html?media_id=146903741
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


fun, use your camera.

been a long time since ive had a severe tstorm with golfball size hailed warned or 70mph winds

There was a tornado warning just north of Boston today... No touchdown though.
550. wxmod
Quoting Skyepony:


I don't ever remember water pooling at the north pole before.


It kinda looks like summer camp up there. Hang out by the lakes. Do a little fishing.
Quoting Neapolitan:
Whatever it was, it is no more:

invest_DEACTIVATE_al912012.ren


deactivating clear sky...thats about all it is
Quoting MAweatherboy1:

There was a tornado warning just north of Boston today... No touchdown though.


hasnt been a tornado warning in n ga since march 2nd if i remember correctly.

a few in S and SE ga from debby

it will be a very calm tornado year.

Has there ever been a major outbreak in fall tornado season?
By major i mean with ef-4 tornadoes etc?
Quoting MississippiWx:


Lol...Chick, the only thing I'm underage for is social security. I'm nearly 25.
I thought you were 16 or 17 like my age.
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


deactivating clear sky...thats about all it is
Agree with you.

This is the last update on 91L's floater, not much there. Now we need a real system to track.
Sorry...I have now activated the link to NASA's "Curiosity's Seven Minutes of terror" video.
Quoting Waltanater:
You're right!
This blog cannot be compared to a nation state....nor can its bloggers be to citizens.

I am just a customer and I am free to consume at other sites.
its sad when you look for even the "X"s..

Wind shear

Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


hasnt been a tornado warning in n ga since march 2nd if i remember correctly.

a few in S and SE ga from debby

it will be a very calm tornado year.

Has there ever been a major outbreak in fall tornado season?
By major i mean with ef-4 tornadoes etc?
Link

Yes there has. Link shows an outbreak from late Nov of 2001 in the Southeast with an F4 being the strongest reported and 13 total deaths.
There were 69 total tornadoes reported with 3ea F4's.
Quoting Skyepony:


I don't ever remember water pooling at the north pole before.


Sad indeed....
565. wxmod
Sahara dust today. MODIS satellite

Quoting hydrus:
I do not understand what you mean by bending over. As for the weather over Mid TN, we are entering a wet period late week. Might even have some severe . The upper low over Georgia has a cold pool associated with it, and will enhance the normal summertime thunderstorms over our area. They will be slow movers and could cause some flooding.

Like this.. hundreds of them..
Quoting JNCali:

Like this.. hundreds of them..
yeah, that's a twisting of atmospheric winds, like i was mentioning.. this occurs as wind directions change at different heights going up the atmosphere. there is enough lift on these updrafts that they can penetrate these wind-shifting layers.
Skew-T
this link shows the wind directions changing -view the wind barbs along the right side of plot.
I would welcome opinions about this.. we have managed to escape the best of the weather here in NYC so far, with heavy/severe weather off to the west, south, and northeast. Does this make us more likely to see some rapid intensification of the storms that make it here given that 1) the local area has not experienced a significant amount of turbidity (sp?); 2) The heat remains and 3) the on-shore flow from the Atlantic.

would welcome opinions about what we may experience the rest of the afternoon. (Most importantly, I need to know if I should have another cup of coffee here at work)

Quoting Civicane49:

Thats pretty

I think this one will actually go slightly north of s america but run into some dangerous shear
Quoting GTcooliebai:
Craaazy the atmosphere is worked over, but there must be an ULL nearby causing the huge shield of rain out in the Gulf:



Trough out there on the surface map.
Quoting Skyepony:


Kinda already discussed it today, put up the anomaly map, that odd invest/test going on in the area, recent gfs runs.


Clouding in here, had a few sprinkles that may just be induced from the particles from the swamp fires burning west of me. Just got below 90ºF! I'm going outside:)


ahh,ok, must have missed that.


http://phytophactor.fieldofscience.com/2012/07/br eaking-more-records-than-predicted.html


"... Time for people to start shouting at any and all politicos to take climate change seriously. HT to Climate Central."

Quoting 1900hurricane:

At least the dewpoints are pretty low, that's keeping the heat index values manageable.

Well, manageable if you lived in Texas I suppose...


:-)



Fair
90°F
32°C
Humidity59%
Wind SpeedS 7 mph
Barometer30.04 in
Dewpoint73°F (23°C)
Visibility10.00 mi
Heat Index99°F (37°C)
579. beell
Quoting SubtropicalHi:


Sad indeed....


I have no doubts that the planet is warming, but...select your misinformation carefully.

3 U.S. Nuclear Subs Surfaced at North Pole, Navy Discloses
May 24, 1986|United Press International


First rainbow since moving to TN!.. and if you look close it's a double!!
From Nasa's Hurricane webpage:

ATLANTIC - Watching three tropical waves today.
1) Eastern Tropical Atlantic from 19N2 9W to 13N 28W. Limited moisture and a layer of dry Saharan air.
2) Wave headed to Lesser Antilles from 19N 55W TO 11N 54W and moving west. Has limited shower activity due to more Saharan dust.
3) Eastern coastal waters of Yucatan Peninsula, moving west and bringing scattered t-storms west of 85W, inland across the Yucatan.

NASA Atlantic FB Page link
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:


http://phytophactor.fieldofscience.com/2012/07/br eaking-more-records-than-predicted.html


"... Time for people to start shouting at any and all politicos to take climate change seriously.� HT to Climate Central.�"

shout? so long as you write a fat check too :*
I am about to be clobbered here.... its black as can be and its already lightning like crazy
Quoting Tribucanes:
Interesting, don't think ten people gave me a minus in that two minute time span for that comment. I may be wrong, but that may be one of those truths some may very much not want heard. Never seen a comment poof so fast, very fishy. I posted much, much more controversial ones and not had any of them poof ever. Had a couple of community violations but that's different. Hummmmmmmm


Didn't see but enough already- get over it and keep up your regular god postings.
Quoting Doppler22:
I am about to be clobbered here.... its black as can be and its already lightning like crazy


Hello Doppler 22... Where are you? (Sorry if you said earlier, I missed it..)
589. JLPR2
That bunch of clouds, which I have no idea if it is a TW or not, are riding rather high in latitude.

"The mission of the submarines was to collect scientific data and test submarine force readiness under Arctic conditions without logistics base support," a Pentagon statement said. The announcement was held up until the three submarines, identified as the Hawkbill, the Ray and the Archerfish, returned to their home ports, Navy officials said.

ahhh, the Cold War, those were the best of times.


Right Grothar?

Gro...?

Wake Up..its almost 4pm!
Quoting FireWeather161:


Hello Doppler 22... Where are you? (Sorry if you said earlier, I missed it..)

SE Pennsylvania... Stewartstown, PA.... south of York, PA
592. JLPR2
And that area in the CAtl is rather interesting.

Quoting JLPR2:
That bunch of clouds, which I have no idea if it is a TW or not, are riding rather high in latitude.


Post 561.
Quoting JLPR2:
That bunch of clouds, which I have no idea if it is a TW or not, are riding rather high in latitude.



That convection (If it persist) should clean the sal for the waves that will emerge behind.
597. JLPR2
Quoting 954FtLCane:

Post 561.


What does that have to do with what I posted? XD
Quoting SubtropicalHi:


Sad indeed....





There is a picture of an American sub surfaced at the north pole taken in 1957 or 58 that shows open ocean and ice flows as well. Pic was taken in March if I remember correctly.
Quoting JLPR2:


What does that have to do with what I posted? XD

LOL...ok sorry post 581 should help with the answer to your post 589...woops.
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EP, 99, 2012071718, , BEST, 0, 84N, 1124W, 20, 1008, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0,
EP, 99, 2012071800, , BEST, 0, 85N, 1131W, 20, 1007, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 1010, 200, 80, 0, 0, E, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST, M,
EP, 99, 2012071806, , BEST, 0, 86N, 1137W, 20, 1007, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 1010, 200, 80, 0, 0, E, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST, M,
EP, 99, 2012071812, , BEST, 0, 87N, 1143W, 20, 1007, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1010, 200, 80, 0, 0, E, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST, M,

602. JLPR2
Quoting 954FtLCane:

LOL...ok sorry post 581 should answer that question...woops


Ah! Thank you!
I just saw, perhaps the best lightning show in my life. I loved it, but my dog, not so much. :D
Quoting Patrap:
The ridgeeeee! Come west NOW! I don't want to drown
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Animation of hourly images from the aloft web cam on the US Coast Guard Cutter Healy as it transits the West Arctic, approaching the North Pole and back, from August 11 - September 28, 2011.

Images from the USCGC Healy provided by Lamont-Dogherty Earth Observatory. YouTube video provided by NOAA, http://www.arctic.noaa.gov

Quoting FireWeather161:
I would welcome opinions about this.. we have managed to escape the best of the weather here in NYC so far, with heavy/severe weather off to the west, south, and northeast. Does this make us more likely to see some rapid intensification of the storms that make it here given that 1) the local area has not experienced a significant amount of turbidity (sp?); 2) The heat remains and 3) the on-shore flow from the Atlantic.

would welcome opinions about what we may experience the rest of the afternoon. (Most importantly, I need to know if I should have another cup of coffee here at work)

Stay there. Order in. Enjoy.



(T-66)
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Deployed on an ice floe at the North Pole in Summer 2011 as part of the North Pole Environmental Observatory.

In 2011, melt was very rapid in July, and the web cam tipped over on July 23 in the melted snow and ice. http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np.html

610. mati
Quoting beell:


I have no doubts that the planet is warming, but...select your misinformation carefully.

3 U.S. Nuclear Subs Surfaced at North Pole, Navy Discloses
May 24, 1986|United Press International




AH Yes, that picture. NOTE the picture does not say it was taken AT the north pole, but rather DURING the co-ordinated expedition TO the north pole.

Here is a REAL picture AT the north pole:


Link

Here is the documentaiton for the sub:

Link

Notice in the list are pictures of the subs in open water with the comment that the subs are exploring the ice cap NOT AT THE NORTH POLE.... gotta love the internet
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Small, new, remotely-operated, unmanned aircraft are being flown in the Arctic to measure black soot. The soot is produced by burning diesel fuel, agricultural fires, forest fires, and wood-burning stoves. It is transported by winds to the Arctic, where it darkens the surface of snow and ice, enhancing melting and solar warming.

See http://saga.pmel.noaa.gov/ and http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/edd/manta.html

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah
I want to be in the cone again...:/ lol

614. beell
Quoting mati:


AH Yes, that picture. NOTE the picture does not say it was taken AT the north pole, but rather DURING the co-ordinated expedition TO the north pole.

Here is a REAL picture AT the north pole:


Link

Here is the documentaiton for the sub:

Link

Notice in the list are pictures of the subs in open water with the comment that the subs are exploring the ice cap NOT AT THE NORTH POLE.... gotta love the internet



From the link in the original post. Who knows. Open water at the N Pole is not an unheard of event. That's all. To pin this on AGW does not help the cause...

The Pentagon gave few details about the subs' mission, saying only that the three attack submarines linked up and surfaced at the geographic North Pole on May 6.
Quoting WxGeekVA:
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah

?
The umbrellas have to be on hand for most of the Eastern Caribbean islands in the next 2-3 days.


AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
401 PM AST WED JUL 18 2012


.DISCUSSION...THE TUTT SHOULD GENERALLY BE IN A PRETTY DECENT
LOCATION TO AID IN CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT THE NEXT DAY OR TWO. AT
THE SAME TIME...A WEAK INDUCED LOW TO MID LEVEL TROUGH AND
ASSOCIATED MOISTURE WILL CONTINUE MOVING ACROSS THE REMAINDER
OF THE LOCAL AREA THIS EVENING AND WILL COMBINE WITH LOCAL
EFFECTS TO PRODUCE SOME CLOUDINESS...SHOWERS AND A COUPLE OF
THUNDERSTORMS. A SECOND TUTT INDUCED TROUGH AND ASSOCIATED
MOISTURE WILL PASS LATE TONIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY...PRODUCING
ADDITIONAL CLOUDINESS...SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. THEREAFTER...A
TROPICAL WAVE IS EXPECTED TO ENTER AND THEN MOVE ACROSS THE
EASTERN CARIBBEAN THURSDAY THROUGH THURSDAY NIGHT AND THEN AFFECT
THE LOCAL AREA FRIDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH MUCH OF SATURDAY.
THIS WAVE AND ASSOCIATED MOISTURE SHOULD RESULT IN AN ADDITIONAL
EXTENDED PERIOD OF CLOUDINESS...SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS
THE FA DURING THIS TIME FRAME. AN OVERALL DRIER...MORE STABLE AND
SAHARAN DUST SHROUDED AIR MASS IS STILL EXPECTED TO ENCOMPASS THE
LOCAL AREA SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY THROUGH MONDAY.
My house is shaking! Earthquake? Nope. It just this constant thunder.
619. mati
Quoting beell:



From the link in the original post. Who knows. Open water at the N Pole is not an unheard of event. That's all. To pin this on AGW does not help the cause...

The Pentagon gave few details about the subs' mission, saying only that the three attack submarines linked up and surfaced at the geographic North Pole on May 6.


I'm sorry you did not look at the links and explanation i provided. Open water on MAY 6 at the north pole is a joke.
It was recently reported that rain fell in Japan at a rate of 3.5 inches per hour. It was described as a waterfall. This deluge lasted for hours and threatened hundreds of thousands.

What is the world record for torrential rainfall expressed as a rate, inches per hour?

How many hours did that rain persist at that rate?
622. wxmod
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


That convection (If it persist) should clean the sal for the waves that will emerge behind.


The dust will kill the convection, if there is as much dust as the satellites show.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Just got done hanging with my girl for the last 3 hours.


That image is going to give me nightmares. O_o
Quoting Patrap:
Uploaded by NOAAPMEL on Oct 26, 2011

Animation of hourly images from the aloft web cam on the US Coast Guard Cutter Healy as it transits the West Arctic, approaching the North Pole and back, from August 11 - September 28, 2011.

Images from the USCGC Healy provided by Lamont-Dogherty Earth Observatory. YouTube video provided by NOAA, http://www.arctic.noaa.gov



Fascinating line o' work those folks have gotten themselves into...
I get the feeling this will be another dud hurricane season for the southeast again
This wave in the C Atlantic sure is looking more and more interesting! Shocked that this wasn't highlighted at 2pm.

Link
630. mati
Quoting catman306:
It was recently reported that rain fell in Japan at a rate of 3.5 inches per hour. It was described as a waterfall. This deluge lasted for hours and threatened hundreds of thousands.

What is the world record for torrential rainfall expressed as a rate, inches per hour?

How many hours did that rain persist at that rate?


Link

This gives some amazing numbers
631. beell
Quoting mati:


I'm sorry you did not look at the links and explanation i provided. Open water on MAY 6 at the north pole is a joke.



From your link...

U.S. and British sailors explore the Arctic ice cap while conducting the first U.S./British coordinated surfacing at the North Pole. The ships are, left to right: the nuclear-powered attack submarine Sea Devil (SSN-664), the fleet submarine HMS Superb (S-109) , and the nuclear-powered attack submarine Billfish (SSN-676), 18 May 1987.
Quoting mati:


AH Yes, that picture. NOTE the picture does not say it was taken AT the north pole, but rather DURING the co-ordinated expedition TO the north pole.

Here is a REAL picture AT the north pole:


Link

Here is the documentaiton for the sub:

Link

Notice in the list are pictures of the subs in open water with the comment that the subs are exploring the ice cap NOT AT THE NORTH POLE.... gotta love the internet


What? From the article:

"The Pentagon gave few details about the subs' mission, saying only that the three attack submarines linked up and surfaced at the geographic North Pole on May 6."

Real bad storm now.
635. yoboi
Quoting Patrap:
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Small, new, remotely-operated, unmanned aircraft are being flown in the Arctic to measure black soot. The soot is produced by burning diesel fuel, agricultural fires, forest fires, and wood-burning stoves. It is transported by winds to the Arctic, where it darkens the surface of snow and ice, enhancing melting and solar warming.

See http://saga.pmel.noaa.gov/ and http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/edd/manta.html




with all the people and machines we have on the north pole observing the north pole could we be causing more harm than good????
the mosquitoes are horrendous in north florida thanks to all the rain..
Winds blowing pretty hard with lots of lightning and thunder.
All you people on line in the area of the tstorms should probably disconnect, unless you are wireless. Stay safe everyone. I am going home so see you tomorrow.
Quoting catman306:
It was recently reported that rain fell in Japan at a rate of 3.5 inches per hour. It was described as a waterfall. This deluge lasted for hours and threatened hundreds of thousands.

What is the world record for torrential rainfall expressed as a rate, inches per hour?

How many hours did that rain persist at that rate?



Global Weather & Climate Extremes
Quoting CANTBELIEVEIT:
I get the feeling this will be another dud hurricane season for the southeast again


depends on where you are in the S.E. we here in N.C. had a tropical storm and hurricane irene last year
No need to worry.... happens every other day....

Explosion inside a protected area at U.S. nuke plant, says local official near Philadelphia No impact on public health says NRC

"We did get an alert that there was an unusual event over there ... there was an explosion inside a protected area of Unit 1, but it does not affect public safety," said Frank Custer, communications director for Montgomery County.

"This is not an explosion like you would normally think," said Diane Screnci, senior public affairs officer for the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission in Philadelphia. "It's more like when your house trips a circuit."


Link

High neutron flux causes shutdown at New York nuke plant % Neutrons are not equally spread around reactor core%

Link
I HOPE THE WAVE EAST OF THE LESSER ANTILLES WON'T CALAPSE AND BRING US SOME MUCH NEEDED RAIN!
ok the storm is over now... everything is soaked and its still thundering but the rain and wind has stopped... hopefully it cooled things down a bit haha :)
Quoting CaribBoy:
I HOPE THE WAVE EAST OF THE LESSER ANTILLES WON'T CALAPSE AND BRING US SOME MUCH NEEDED RAIN!


Don't think it is going to develop but looks like it will bring us some showers
Quoting catman306:
It was recently reported that rain fell in Japan at a rate of 3.5 inches per hour. It was described as a waterfall. This deluge lasted for hours and threatened hundreds of thousands.

What is the world record for torrential rainfall expressed as a rate, inches per hour?

How many hours did that rain persist at that rate?


1 minute Barst, Guadeloupe 26/11/1970 38 mm (1.5 in)
42 minutes Holt, Missouri, USA 22/06/1947 305 mm (12.0 in)
3 hours Foc-Foc, La Réunion 08/01/66 361 mm (14.2 in)
6 hours Foc-Foc, La Réunion 08/01/66 620 mm (24 in)
Quoting Doppler22:
ok the storm is over now... everything is soaked and its still thundering but the rain and wind has stopped... hopefully it cooled things down a bit haha :)
Yeah I'm still getting a few rumbles of thunder.But the worst is over...Hey you live in Maryland?
Quoting Patrap:

GOM looks mighty 'lifted' to me. Aren't we in the immediate ramp-up to MJO lift phase? Or are we already there?
Quoting redwagon:

GOM looks mighty 'lifted' to me. Aren't we in the immediate ramp-up to MJO lift phase? Or are we already there?

The Gulf is in the downward phase of the MJO and is expected to stay that way for the next two weeks or more.
654. mati
Quoting beell:



From your link...




U.S. and British sailors explore the Arctic ice cap while conducting the first U.S./British coordinated surfacing at the North Pole. The ships are, left to right: the nuclear-powered attack submarine Sea Devil (SSN-664), the fleet submarine HMS Superb (S-109) , and the nuclear-powered attack submarine Billfish (SSN-676), 18 May 1987.


*Sigh* IT DoES nOT say thAt this picture was TAken at the NORTH POLE. Please read carefully. Werry Werrry carefully. I will give you a test on comprehension afterwards.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Yeah I'm still getting a few rumbles of thunder.But the worst is over...Hey you live in Maryland?
\
No not quite... I live in Southern York County, PA in a town called Stewartstown. Which is very close to the Mason Dixon Line.
I think the wave around 12N/34W should get a yellow circle at 8pm, it already has a closed low from the Oscat pass at least from what I can tell !
TAFB at 18z Surface Analysis adds a weak low to wave in Atlantic.

What lightning did to a Greystone golf club course in AL this morning:



wonder if i could hire a few bolts to aerate my lawn...
Quoting mati:


*Sigh* IT DoES nOT say thAt this picture was TAken at the NORTH POLE. Please read carefully. Werry Werrry carefully. I will give you a test on comprehension afterwards.


What in the world... every article and the pentagon say the subs surfaced at the geographic North Pole... Is your skull too thick to comprehend that?
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


dude thats kida sick.
sandusky-ish.


? what's sanduskyish about it lol we're the same age
Quoting WxGeekVA:
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah

That reminds me of Eddie Money's 'Shakin'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA1wDgPZCDA
Quoting WxGeekVA:


? what's sanduskyish about it lol we're the same age


the look of the guy in the pic
Quoting Doppler22:
\
No not quite... I live in Southern York County, PA in a town called Stewartstown. Which is very close to the Mason Dixon Line.
The wind isn't blowing hard.Just some rumbles of thunder and some drizzle.
..sha,sha, sha, shakin'..

Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


dude thats kida sick.
sandusky-ish.


Don't joke about that...
Wave out in the Atlantic has a closed low and and nice convection.
severe t'storms around D.C.

mati,
Your point being the ice is thicker at the N Pole than in the three subs' photo? The ships did surface (at the N Pole) if we are to believe the U.S. Navy and beell's news article from the L.A. Times.

This Photo from your link was taken, apparently, at the North Pole and captioned "Crewmen from the nuclear-powered attack submarine Billfish (SSN-676) chop a hole through ice covering the bow of the ship while it is surfaced at the North Pole. The sail-mounted diving planes are in the vertical position for breaking through the ice on 30 Mar 1987."



image credit: Official U.S. Navy Photograph # DN-ST-87-06187, by PH1 Chuck Mussi, from the Department of Defense Still Media Collection, courtesy of dodmedia.osd.mil. & submitted by Bill Gonyo.

From beell's link, a UPI news story:
The Pentagon gave few details about the subs' mission, saying only that the three attack submarines linked up and surfaced at the geographic North Pole on May 6. (Hmmm. Photos were March of '87?)

From your same source, captioned "On 17 March 1959, Skate (SSN-578) surfaced at the North Pole to commit the ashes of the famed explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins to the Arctic waste."


image credit: Text courtesy of DANFS.
USN photo # NPC 1149126 courtesy of US Navy Arctic Submarine Laboratory, Scott Koen & ussnewyork.com.

Fact is... if we are to believe news reports and the U.S. Navy, neither photo depicts open water but both depict ice thin enough to be broken by a submarine rising through it. As long ago as 1959. (bold added)

Please excuse me, bl, I see you have responded. Took me a little while to put this together, in between eating ice cream, so I'm going to post this anyway for anyone who'd like to see.

And mati, don't go picking on me or I'll have to waste another comment (explanation in my Boomer blog) by posting the same rant I posted the other night. I know the globe is warming. If you stick around, you'll discover some folks around here are neither stupid nor deceitful.

(T-65)

Add: Just saw this.
Quoting mati:


*Sigh* IT DoES nOT say thAt this picture was TAken at the NORTH POLE. Please read carefully. Werry Werrry carefully. I will give you a test on comprehension afterwards.
LOL. You got no idea... LMAO
HUGE 929 MB STORM SOUTH OF AUSTRALIA
Quoting TheOnlyBravesFan:
severe t'storms around D.C.



water in your room,
water everywhere!!!!
672. mati
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


What in the world... every article and the pentagon say the subs surfaced at the geographic North Pole... Is your skull too thick to comprehend that?


I'm sorry you cannot follow my posts. I never ever ever ever ever ever ever said they did not. I'm sorry I cannot explain myself properly to you. So sorry.

The subs DID surface at the north pole and I posted a picture showing the beautiful iCe that is present there.

My claim, backed up with evidence is that the picture of the 3 subs in open water was NOT taken AT THE NORTH POLE.

Pictures shown AT THE NORTH POLE explicitly state that the picture IS AT THE NORTH POLe.


is that clear?


This is supposed to be the 2nd time a sub surfaced at the North Pole. The article says it did it a year before.

Sub at North Pole
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


Don't joke about that...


k, sorry
Quoting stormpetrol:
I think the wave around 12N/34W should get a yellow circle at 8pm, it already has a closed low from the Oscat pass at least from what I can tell !


Hi there. I posted that a few hours ago but didn't get a peep out of anyone !.

Very nice structure to that low. If it had enough deep convection to go with it we would probably have a TD now.
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


Don't joke about that...
Gotta agree, erased several responses earlier.

101 and humid, worse than early July, only high 50 dew points then. Hope we get good rain tonight/tommorrow - too late for a lot of the corn, might save some beans.
Quoting Patrap:
..sha,sha, sha, shakin'..


She was moving up and down, round and round and round, shakin
Would have pics to show, but we went to Noblis today, so that meant no one had cameras or phones. We saw some mammatus and possibly a wall cloud. We did see a storm flank and hail core.
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


the look of the guy in the pic


It's a meme...

If You Know What I Mean Meme
Quoting kmanislander:


Hi there. I posted that a few hours ago but didn't get a peep out of anyone !.

Very nice structure to that low. If it had enough deep convection to go with it we would probably have a TD now.
Hey K-man.The NHC should look into this.
Quoting kmanislander:


Hi there. I posted that a few hours ago but didn't get a peep out of anyone !.

Very nice structure to that low. If it had enough deep convection to go with it we would probably have a TD now.


peep
682. beell
Quoting mati:


*Sigh* IT DoES nOT say thAt this picture was TAken at the NORTH POLE. Please read carefully. Werry Werrry carefully. I will give you a test on comprehension afterwards.


Possibly, you have failed to understand my veiled point. Open water IN and AROUND the N Pole is not new. Does not matter a whit to me if the picture was taken at 90.00000°N or 89.14756°N, or if it was in May or June. I hold no bias on what or who is causing a warming planet. Just that it is. Those are my own thoughts. I have others if you don't like that one...

However, the original post was only meant as a note of caution to those that have strong feelings on the AGW issue to use a small amount of discretion in selecting issues that reveal their bias. On both sides of the issue.

Quoting washingtonian115:
Hey K-man.The NHC should look into this.


If it fires up tonight I am sure they will.
Quoting Grothar:


peep


Thanks. I needed that. LOL
Quoting WxGeekVA:


It's a meme...

If You Know What I Mean Meme


i know that.
TBH, I don't think that wave in Atlatic will develops... high pressure is still stuck in the same place.
Hey Gro.
best tropical wave so far this season. The catl wave is ib a good shear environment , and has an anticyclone just to its north. the next 48 hrs should be very crucial to the development of that wave
689. mati
Quoting Barefootontherocks:
mati,
Your point being the ice is thicker at the N Pole than in the three subs' photo? The ships did surface if we are to believe the U.S. Navy and beell's news article from the L.A. Times.

This Photo from your link was taken, apparently, at the North Pole and captioned "Crewmen from the nuclear-powered attack submarine Billfish (SSN-676) chop a hole through ice covering the bow of the ship while it is surfaced at the North Pole. The sail-mounted diving planes are in the vertical position for breaking through the ice on 30 Mar 1987."


image credit: Official U.S. Navy Photograph # DN-ST-87-06187, by PH1 Chuck Mussi, from the Department of Defense Still Media Collection, courtesy of dodmedia.osd.mil. & submitted by Bill Gonyo.

From beell's link, a UPI news story:
The Pentagon gave few details about the subs' mission, saying only that the three attack submarines linked up and surfaced at the geographic North Pole on May 6. (Hmmm. Photos were Marchof '87?)

From your same source, captioned "On 17 March 1959, Skate (SSN-578) surfaced at the North Pole to commit the ashes of the famed explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins to the Arctic waste."


image credit: Text courtesy of DANFS.
USN photo # NPC 1149126 courtesy of US Navy Arctic Submarine Laboratory, Scott Koen & ussnewyork.com.

Fact is... if we are to believe news reports and the U. S Navy, neither photo depicts open water but both depict ice thin enough to be broken by a submarine rising through it. As long ago as 1959.

Please excuse me, bl, I see you have responded. Took me a little while to put this together, in between eating ice cream, so I'm going to post this anyway for anyone who'd like to see.

And mati, don't go picking on me or I'll have to waste another comment (explanation in my Boomer blog) by posting the same rant I posted the other night. I know the globe is warming. If you stick around, you'll discover some folks around here are neither stupid nor deceitful.

(T-65)


A sub can surface throuth 25 FEET of ice.

Link

You have also assumed that I believe in AGW, without any evidence in my posts..
I believe we are getting off topic.
over and out
Iran and israel going at it again.

2steps forward, 1 step back.

There are so many avenues for the world to run down a very bad path right now, which one will we pick first.

But on a weather note, tstorms in C Ga yesterday and look to be more today. Should help the farmers some
Quoting kmanislander:


If it fires up tonight I am sure they will.
It's in a low shear environment right now. I hope it persist so we can have something to track.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
TAFB at 18z Surface Analysis adds a weak low to wave in Atlantic.



components are coming together..
Quoting beell:


Possibly, you have failed to understand my veiled point. Open water IN and AROUND the N Pole is not new. Does not matter a whit to me if the picture was taken at 90.00000�N or 89.14756�N, or if it was in May or June. I hold no bias on what or who is causing a warming planet. Just that it is. Those are my own thoughts. I have others if you don't like that one...

However, it was only meant as a note of caution to those that have strong feelings on the AGW issue to use a small amount of discretion in selecting issues that reveal their bias. On both sides of the issue.



Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
Iran and israel going at it again.

2steps forward, 1 step back.

There are so many avenues for the world to run down a very bad path right now, which one will we pick first.

But on a weather note, tstorms in C Ga yesterday and look to be more today. Should help the farmers some


But you didn't tell what occured between those two.
I think this picture verifies where the submarines were if you look closely. Picture was classified, but what the heck.

Quoting Bluestorm5:
TBH, I don't think that wave in Atlatic will develops... high pressure is still stuck in the same place.


It may or may not develop but if not the high will not be the cause of that. There is no easterly shear from the high which is centered off to the N and thus producing an even flow straight to the West.



Here is the steering for a 1000 to 1010 mb low which does not show overly fast East to West trades near 12 N, the approx. latitude of the feature. The pressure with the wave low is 1014 mbs




Quoting beell:



From the link in the original post. Who knows. Open water at the N Pole is not an unheard of event. That's all. To pin this on AGW does not help the cause...

The Pentagon gave few details about the subs' mission, saying only that the three attack submarines linked up and surfaced at the geographic North Pole on May 6.


Only if they broke through the ice in order to do so (which they occasionally do).

Satellite records of the arctic go back to 1979, and I can assure with very high confidence that there was no open water at the north pole on May 6 of 1986, let alone any year from 1979 to the present.

If you don't believe me, see for yourself:



May 6th is missing, but here is May 7th:



That is rock solid 100% sea ice coverage at the north pole.

And if you want to to pick and choose dates for comparisons, the Cryosphere Today website is just one of several excellent sources tracking sea ice areas, extents, and volumes: Link

So your claim is factually incorrect. There was no open water at the north pole on May 6th. In fact, there was no open water at the north pole at all for the whole year. Here is the image from September 16, 1986 , the minimum for that year.



As you can see, the pole is still well entrenched in 100% ice.

And yes, global warming is causing the ice loss. Unless you are proposing that increased global temperatures and the rapid decline in ice volume are not linked by anything other than coincidence. And if you are making that claim, I would be most interested in your physical model that can demonstrate how that could be the case.
Mobile Bay and surrounding area getting heavy thunderstorms.
Quoting mati:


A sub can surface throuth 25 FEET of ice.

Link

You have also assumed that I believe in AGW, without any evidence in my posts..
I believe we are getting off topic.
over and out
The "evidence" is in your demeaning behavior toward other bloggers. Oh, and I'd like to see a study about that claim, especially one from 1959.

(T-64)
I'm so glad that we are wasting our time arguing over a few pictures which amount to nothing more than anecdotes. Even if the metadata for the pictures is correct, anecdotes are one of the weakest forms of scientific evidence. To believe that one picture tells the whole tale while we have much more objective data that provides more data (both in aerial coverage and time coverage) seems a bit silly.

These pictures of the Skate in/near/around/under the North Pole are not new, they have been argued to the point of making anyone's head spin. They still are not providing any new data to solving the puzzle, and they certainly are not indicating anything to the extent that some would like them to indicate.
LBAR just gets more fantastic with each run of Fabio..
Actually Agadir former AP in Aug 1940 value was 51.8C as original observations report, although in many references is wrongly reported as 51.7C or either 50.8C.
The chergui events show pretty much a difference between nil to 2C between Tadourant and Agadir AP, so 6C is highely unlikely and it would mean 3C every 100m of descending, 300% more than the usual median gradient during a downslope wind event. Very unlikely.
Note Marrakesch record was recorded with the highest isotherm ever recorded in Morocco: 33C at 850hpa.
This is the most reliable national record for Morocco, except Western Sahara (disputed territory) which recorded 50.7C at Semara in July 1961, the highest reliable temperature ever recorded in Africa.