DEBATE ON GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: Fshhead , 6:52 AM GMT on May 10, 2006

This is my continuing blog on global warming. If you are new visitor, please look at last couple of blog entrys also on global warming!!!!

"There are so many arguments proving & disputing global warming that people can't seem to agree completly on it. But for all the preperations that we make for hurricanes & other disasters, what do we have to lose if we prepare for global warming as if the worst might come true?
The answer is pure common sense. We should try to eliminate the variables that cause global warming instead of just arguing about it. It's like a hurricane- if we prepare for the worst, it can only save lives & money. If it does not come, no one will have been hurt & we may even have a healthier Earth."

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1061. Fshhead
3:45 AM GMT on December 12, 2006
lol just responding to the blind-side attacks earlier lol
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1059. Fshhead
3:37 AM GMT on December 12, 2006
Hmmm well been pretty active here. Alot of that needs to be addressed.

1st. The models, I know alot of people are very skeptical of these climate prediction models. I am rather skeptical also seeing I live in Fla. & have seen firsthand how models of hurricanes have wide error margin. Well it seems that from what I have read that funny thing about those models is that they have been VERY accurate so far. Everything that is happening with the glaciers, the droughts, the increased severity of hurricanes & cyclones WORLDWIDE was predicted years ago by these SAME models. If anything it seems from everything I am reading & hearing that the warming is MORE accelarated than what these models predicted.

2nd. True We do live on a dynamic planet& things are in a constant state of flux BUT, the levels of CO2 we are at now & what they will increase to in the near future from what I have heard are levels that this planet has never seen. Totally uncharted territory. This is rather alarming if you ask me.

3rd. the one I really want to respond to!!!!!
The cow & livestock point. I have heard this also in the past. Not sure about this one cause the human species needs(or most of the time PREFERS) to eat meat. I do know this though. Like I have said so many times here in the past my biggest interest is that we need to switch to clean renewable energy for many reasons.It just so happens that all this global warming info starts to pop up & pretty much coincides with all the thinking on switching to alternative energy.People we have been stuck on the same fuel as when the car was invented. We are in a new millenium & have seen HUGE leaps & bounds on just about every other aspect of our lives except fueling our vehicles & providing our energy (nuclear in my opinion does not count due to such major hazards involved). Think about it if most of our power came from solar, wind & such how much less co2 would be in the atmosphere leading to a cleaner healthier planet. What is so bad about this??? Huge advances in solar have been made recently with just a modest amount of money thrown at it. Can you imagine how much advancement would be made if HUGE sums of money were thrown at it??? Also like I have said before I don't think people realize how much oil impacts almost every aspect of our lives from security as a nation to the price to fill up our cars to buying that gallon of milk at the store. Not to mention the huge profits these companies are making at all of our expense. Getting tax-breaks & all that while raping the American public with high prices. So back to the cows & livestock, if we did make the transition to this new way I think somehow we would be able to fit them in cause you know then everyone will be screaming ice age if the co2 levels get to low LOL If this starts to occur the funny thing is we sure know how to get the co2 levels high again Hmmmmm how convienent LOL
As always Thanx for readin' & postin'

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1058. snowboy
9:16 PM GMT on December 11, 2006
More grim tidings from the Arctic, where there are real world changes of huge significance going on while the doubters (like those posting here recently) do their best to pretend or convince themselves that nothing is happening.

Arctic ice could disappear in summer by 2040: study

Last Updated: Monday, December 11, 2006 | 2:37 PM ET

CBC News

Global warming could melt almost all of the ice in the Arctic during the summer months by the year 2040, according to a study to be published Tuesday.

If greenhouse gases continue to build at their current rate, the study found, the Arctic's ice cover would go through periods of stability followed by abrupt retreat.

One simulation projects that by 2040, only a small amount of perennial ice would remain on the north coasts of Greenland and Canada during the summer months.

This would be a more dramatic change in Arctic climate than anything we've seen so far, according to McGill University professor Bruno Tremblay, one of the study's authors. And it would also have a profound impact on global warming around the world, he said.

"Open water absorbs more sunlight than does ice," Tremblay said. "This means that the growing regions of ice-free water will accelerate the warming trend."

Scenarios simulated on supercomputers suggest sea ice could reduce enough within 20 years to speed the retreat of Arctic ice four times faster than at any other time in the observed record.

Tremblay worked on the study — to be published in the Dec. 12 issue of Geophysical Research Letters — with lead researcher Marika Holland at the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research and Cecilia Bitz of the University of Washington.

Previous studies looking at the Canadian Arctic have found similar timetables for the disappearance of permanent ice flows.

In June 2006, University of British Columbia professor Michael Byers said the Northwest Passage would be clear of ice during the summer months in 25 years.

A 2004 study by André Rochon, chief scientist on Canada's Amundsen research icebreaker, predicted the waterways would be clear of ice in 50 years.
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1057. Patrap
1:16 PM CST on December 11, 2006
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2:07 PM EST on December 11, 2006
I just find it comical that people seem to conclude that global warming is a fact and that we are totally responsible for it. Then you hear other reports that indicate that it's not as cut and dry as they would have us believe. I heard another report that said that aresols could have a contributing factor in REDUCING global warming! (remember when spray cans were bad??) It just goes to show that we are no where close to understanding climate change. We live on a dynamic planet, things are in a constant state of flux.
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1054. ricderr
6:49 PM GMT on December 11, 2006
hens....that has been known for years..and in of my biggest gripes about those that feel GW is a man made event. if they truly believe it and want something done about can they eat meat
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1:35 PM EST on December 11, 2006
...Not only that, but COWS have a greater effect on CO2 than CARS!!! Link
No this is not a Joke!
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1052. HAARP
4:14 PM GMT on December 11, 2006
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1051. HAARP
4:05 PM GMT on December 11, 2006
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1050. Fshhead
8:35 PM GMT on December 10, 2006
State to embark on its biggest-ever photovoltaic project
By Craig D. Rose
December 10, 2006

When the sun rises on New Year's Day, it will signal the start of California's most ambitious effort yet to generate electricity from sunlight.

HOWARD LIPIN / Union-Tribune
California hopes to subsidize the installation of enough photovoltaic systems, like this one atop a Qualcomm building in Sorrento Mesa, to generate 3,000 megawatts of solar electricity. That could power nearly 3 million homes on a sunny day.
The California Solar Initiative commits the state to spending more than $3.4 billion over the next 10 years to subsidize the installation of 1 million solar roofs, or about 3,000 megawatts of electricity capacity, enough at peak output to match six modern natural-gas-fired power plants.

Even more important, the initiative is aimed at driving down the cost of solar-generated power to the point that it's comparable to producing power from burning coal and natural gas.

As things stand, electricity from photovoltaic systems – the technical term for rooftop solar – costs roughly twice that produced by burning fossil fuels.

If the price of producing electricity from solar could be substantially cut, it would accelerate its adoption and reduce the need to burn fossil fuels to generate electricity. Coal-and gas-fired power plants, along with autos and trucks, are leading sources of planet-warming greenhouse gases.

In fact, many scientists believe economical solar power will be a critical component in shifting the planet to clean, sustainable energy production.
And if fears of environmental catastrophe weren't enough, fossil-fuel costs are rising sharply as world demand grows. At the same time, the long-term cost of solar electricity is falling.

“It's a 'perfect storm' for solar,” said Ron Kenedi, who heads the North and South American solar group for Sharp Electronics, the world's largest producer of photovoltaic panels.

This isn't the first time California has sensed an opportunity to develop more solar energy. But none of the previous attempts committed as much money over as long a period of time.

Although California is poised to undertake the most expensive, long-term solar incentive program in the United States, Japan and Germany already have programs that put them at the forefront of the solar industry.

Germany subsidized the installation of 837 megawatts of photovoltaic systems last year. That amounted to more than half the world market. Japan, which launched an incentive program earlier, installed 292 megawatts of photovoltaics last year.

By comparison, only 180 megawatts of photovoltaic systems have been installed in California so far.


I keep saying the solar aspect is the one that needs to be exploited the most!!!!!!!!
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1049. Fshhead
8:29 PM GMT on December 10, 2006
Mr. Inhofe's Last Hearing
Thank goodness.
Sunday, December 10, 2006; Page B06

THE LAST hearing on global climate change chaired by Sen. James M. Inhofe provided an excellent and public tutorial on why Americans should be grateful that it was, in fact, his last. The departing chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee has occupied a unique perch from which to take action on climate change. Instead, he has used his time at the committee's helm to cast spurious doubts on the problem even as the scientific consensus about its reality and severity has gelled. Last week, the Oklahoma Republican held a hearing to denounce the real villain in the debate: the media.

The press, it was claimed, has hyped climate change hysterically. It has ignored dissenting scientific voices. And it has sought to advocate for climate-change policy, instead of just reporting on the science. And this is the grave national problem -- not rising sea levels, melting ice caps, loss of habitats or shifts in oceanic currents -- that warrants the attention of the senator's committee.

Mr. Inhofe's complaints are meritless. If anything, media coverage of global warming has tended toward excessive caution. Scientific alarm at the concentration of greenhouse gases predates the current media attention to the subject. Many media organizations, in a quest for balance, have given climate-change skeptics far more ink and air time than justified by the support their position carries among reputable climatologists. But even debating the merits of Mr. Inhofe's charge acquiesces to changing the subject -- which all along should have been how to craft reasonable policy to reduce greenhouse emissions.

Democratic leadership on this issue should bring a welcome change. While some Republicans support strong action on climate change, they have been stymied by the White House and by congressional leadership that has insisted on debating basic science that is no longer the subject of serious dispute. It's a little like debating the future of the space program by holding hearings on whether the earth is actually round. It's long past time to move on to something useful


Once again I am so happy this guy got voted out!!!!!!
LOL blaming the media.... If you ask me up until last 6 months or so they just kinda mentioned it in passing.
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1048. Fshhead
8:43 AM GMT on December 09, 2006
Solar hot water overlooked in rush to reduce pollution
Wendy Frew, Environment Reporter
December 9, 2006

WHILE federal and state governments argue over nuclear power and carbon capture and storage, one of the easiest ways of cutting greenhouse pollution is being ignored, energy experts say.

The greenhouse gas emissions generated by Australian homes could be cut by at least 20 per cent if consumers converted their hot water systems to solar hot water.

The technology has been available in Australia for more than 50 years but because of cheap coal-fired electricity it still remains a more expensive option in the short-term and is in only 5 per cent of homes. But industry figures show if even half of Australia's households converted to solar hot water it would cut greenhouse pollution by 14 million tonnes - the equivalent of taking 4 million small cars off the road every year.

On average, the cost of a solar hot water system can be recovered within five to 10 years, depending on the system, the manufacturer Solahart says.

However, energy experts said a direct rebate to consumers for solar hot water systems would make it a more attractive option, and made more sense than the Federal Government's current rebates for the expensive solar panel technology that turns the sun's power into electricity.

"If you are switching from an electric hot water system to solar hot water there is a phenomenal saving of greenhouse gas emissions," said Jane Castle, of the Total Environment Centre. "They are easy to install, very reliable and the high number of households that replace their hot water systems every year means there is an in-built market."

The Federal Government offered some initial support to the industry via its Mandatory Renewable Energy Target. However, that is nearly exhausted.

Putting a solar hot water system into a home was the equivalent of taking a small car off the road every year in greenhouse gas reduction terms, said Stephen Cranch, of Solahart.

Mr Cranch said that if solar hot water systems were installed in place of the more than 500,000 hot water systems replaced each year it would significantly reduce electricity demand.

I also saw on Gore's movie that they sell blankets for your regular water heater. I am going to start pricing them. Supposedly makes a big difference. Makes sense to me. Basically just wrapping it in insulation, keeps the heat in.
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1047. Trouper415
11:59 PM GMT on December 08, 2006
Thanks for the articles all!!!!!!!!

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1046. Fshhead
9:18 PM GMT on December 08, 2006
Peter Hartcher and Stephanie Peatling
December 9, 2006

AL GORE is putting his earnings from the global warming movie into a new institute to make the issue a top political priority for the US, and he has recruited a woman from Sydney to run it.

The historic scale of the challenge has persuaded Cathy Zoi, an American who has lived in Australia for the past 12 years, to move to San Francisco for the chance of "doing a really important job in the world's second-best city".

The former US vice-president has spent much of his time since he left office on his climate change presentations and on An Inconvenient Truth, a documentary charting his lifelong interest in global warming.

The Alliance for Climate Protection will be based in San Francisco and run by Ms Zoi, a former assistant director-general of the NSW Environment Protection Authority and the founding chief executive of the Sustainable Energy Development Authority.

Ms Zoi, who lives in Mosman with her husband, Robin, and two teenage children, said her job would be "to make climate change a national political imperative" for Americans.

Australia, the largest per capita emitter of greenhouse gases in the developed world, and the United States, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, have steadfastly refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol.

The challenge, Ms Zoi says, is to "move the US past the tipping point beyond which every major leader in every major sphere is convinced there is indeed a climate crisis and starts competing for innovative solutions to solve the problem".

The film, which features Mr Gore, was released in Australia about the same time as the Stern report, which likened the economic impact of global warming to combining both world wars with the Great Depression. Also at that time, attention on the drought produced weeks of media coverage and forced the main parties to spruik their environmental credentials.

To meet her challenge, Ms Zoi said, Americans must be inspired "much in the way that it's happened almost in the last six weeks in Australia".

"It's an enormous problem, but we have solutions."

Ms Zoi, the group executive director at the Bayard Group, called the film a watershed. It was the start of "a heavy investment in shifting American public opinion in three years". She met Mr Gore, who is now advising the British Government on climate change, when he was a senator and she worked at the US Environmental Protection Agency.

To counter claims that global warming is an issue of the left, the institute's board will include the Republican heavyweights Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to two republican presidents, and Lee Thomas, who headed the agency while Ronald Reagan was president.

The alliance will have tens of millions of dollars from private contributions and some of the proceeds of An Inconvenient Truth.

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1045. Fshhead
7:14 AM GMT on December 08, 2006
1st row is number of hurricanes
2nd row is percentage of hurricanes

1975-89 1990-2004
East Pacific Ocean 36 25% 49 35%
West Pacific Ocean 85 25% 116 41%
North Atlantic 16 20% 25 25%
Southestern Pacific 10 12% 22 28 %
North Indian 1 8% 7 25%
South Indian 23 18% 50 34%

Here is the data up to 2004. Remember the '05 Atlantic season is NOT included in this. Also the active Pacific season the past 2 years is also NOT included.

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1044. Fshhead
7:09 AM GMT on December 08, 2006
Exxon spends millions to cast doubt on warming
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington and Stephen Castle in Brussels
Published: 07 December 2006

The world's largest energy company is still spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund European organisations that seek to cast doubt on the scientific consensus on global warming and undermine support for legislation to curb emission of greenhouse gases.

Data collated by a Brussels-based watchdog reveals that ExxonMobil has put money into projects that criticise the Kyoto treaty and question the findings of scientific groups. Environmental campaigners say Texas-based Exxon is trying to influence opinion-makers in Brussels because Europe - rather than the US - is the driving force for action on climate change.

"ExxonMobil invests significant amounts in letting think-tanks, seemingly respectable sources, sow doubts about the need for EU governments to take action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," said Olivier Hoedeman, of the Corporate Europe Observatory. "Covert funding for climate sceptics is deeply hypocritical because ExxonMobil spends major sums on advertising to present itself as an environmentally responsible company."

It has long been known that the oil giant, which in 2005 recorded an all-time record for quarterly income, has spent millions of dollars to fund climate sceptics. Exactly how much is unknown but some estimates suggest $19m (£9.7m) since 1998.

Posted this before how they were trying to shoot down global warming. Before it was here now they are trying to influence Europe. Yea..
GOOD LUCK!!! I am sure you have all heard about the tornadic activity there. Freakin' London had one go right through it. Hmmm theres more evidence of the weird weather anamolies due to global warming I always talk about. I am really interested to see data on how the severe hurricanes & cyclones have increased worldwide. I had info here before BUT, it was only up to 2004. Now think of how many were not in that data that have happened in the last 2 years. Staggering!!!!!!

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1043. Fshhead
7:16 AM GMT on December 07, 2006
That's really good news!!! Thanx for the article MichaelSTL.

Zaphod, I am just glad that they are FINALLY recognizing the problem & FINALLY doing something about it!!!!!!!!
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1041. Zaphod
9:54 PM GMT on December 06, 2006
Industry officials say legislation to set a nationwide standard could be one of the most important energy-related bills considered in the next Congress. Proponents cite numerous advantages.

"It is a market-driven, effective way of weaning ourselves off our national addiction to foreign oil," said Rep. Frank Pallone, D-N.J., a leading backer of the idea.

How can legislation-mandated programs be "market driven"? Market driven would mean "cut the various incentives on both sides and let pricing sort things out".

The per-state approach is apparently working and is constitutional. Where does the constitution provide for regulating, incentivising, and promoting ANY such commodity at the national level????

With the per-state system different states can take different approaches, and we can all see what works and what doesn't. Any national plan inevitable creates a bureaucracy driven by special interests, and they end up throwing money at favored plans instead of effective ones!
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1040. Fshhead
8:27 PM GMT on December 06, 2006
New Congress likely to push national standard for renewable electricity

c.2006 Newhouse News Service

WASHINGTON -- Want the U.S. to get serious about energy independence? One answer is to require electricity suppliers to step up production from wind, solar and other renewable sources.

More than 20 states, from New Jersey to California, already do. But advocates say such "renewable portfolio standards" should apply everywhere.

"It's an idea whose currency is on the rise," said Dan Reicher, a former Clinton administration energy official who co-chairs the American Council on Renewable Energy, a nonprofit industry group. "What we're missing is a national approach."

Industry officials say legislation to set a nationwide standard could be one of the most important energy-related bills considered in the next Congress. Proponents cite numerous advantages.

"It is a market-driven, effective way of weaning ourselves off our national addiction to foreign oil," said Rep. Frank Pallone, D-N.J., a leading backer of the idea. "It's also a critical step towards combating global warming, keeping natural gas prices stable and ensuring a reliable electricity supply."Renewable sources currently provide around 6 percent of total U.S. energy. Industry officials say usage could grow rapidly in the near future, as many technologies are poised to be economically competitive with fossil fuels.

Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., who will chair the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee when Democrats assume control of Congress in January, has long championed a national renewable standard. Last year, he persuaded the Senate to pass a measure requiring renewable sources to account for at least 10 percent of U.S. electricity production by 2020.

Republicans in the House blocked the idea, preventing it from becoming law. But with Democrats assuming the majority and many incoming lawmakers eager to tackle energy issues, observers say its chances have improved markedly.

The Bush administration has resisted a national standard, saying the issue is best left to states. But proponents note that then-Gov. Bush signed a renewable standard for Texas into law, and that he has touted the benefits of renewables in recent months.

At least one official wonders whether Congress wouldn't simply be playing catch-up with the states.

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1037. Fshhead
3:42 AM GMT on December 06, 2006
Boxer says no more environment rollbacks
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - The Democrat poised to take over the Senate environment committee promises a "sea change" from six years of Republican inaction on global warming and says she expects Congress to send President Bush legislation to start curbing greenhouse gases.

Sen. Barbara Boxer of California, who will lead the Environment and Public Works Committee beginning in January, acknowledged Tuesday she may fall short of her goal: imposing the nation's first mandatory limits on industrial emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases.

"I have no line in the sand," she said in an interview with The Associated Press. "Even a little step will look like a big step."
In the interview, Boxer also promised to end Bush administration rollbacks on environmental rules if they are not supported by science.

"Any kind of weakening of environmental laws or secrecy or changes in the dead of night - it's over," Boxer said. "We're going to for once, finally, make this committee an environment committee, not an anti-environment committee. ... This is a sea change that is coming to this committee."Her chairmanship will be an abrupt turnaround from Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., whose last hearing Wednesday as chairman will be devoted to his view that the news media have fanned alarmism about global warming. Inhofe, who calls global warming a hoax, blocked attempts in his committee to regulate carbon dioxide.

Boxer's first hearing next month also will be devoted to global warming, but from an opposite point of view from Inhofe's.

"This is a potential crisis of a magnitude we've never seen," she said Tuesday, explaining that her goal is to impose mandatory caps on carbon dioxide, a step vehemently opposed by Bush's top environmental advisers.

Nonetheless, she promised to hear from all sides before trying to move a bill to Senate passage. "I very much want the environment to go back to being a nonpartisan issue," she said.

She said her model will be a new California law that imposes the first statewide limit on greenhouse gases and seeks to cut emissions by 25 percent, dropping them to 1990 levels by 2020. "Real goals, real percentages," she said.

Other areas of primary concern include children's health and toxic chemicals, and contaminated toxic waste sites yet to be cleaned up under the Superfund program. She said she also intends to use a committee chairman's powers to obtain documents on how regulations have been developed and priorities chosen.

"We want to send a signal to the world," Boxer said, complaining the United States now lags behind more than 50 other countries addressing global warming. She said she has received calls from several foreign leaders expressing hope for a new U.S. environmental policy.

New sheriff in town & the name is not Reggie Hammond LOL
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1036. Fshhead
10:21 AM GMT on December 05, 2006
K, all I can say is it is wind-driven Hmmm not real sure what it is or what to call it. They call it a wind driven robot LOL. You just have to see it to believe it!!!!!
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1035. Fshhead
8:19 AM GMT on December 05, 2006
Snowboy that is real good news. Hopefully it will have some influence on our little oil pimp LOL. I heard tonite that Oprah's show today(Tues.) is supposed to be about global warming with Al Gore as the guest. I am definetly going to watch it & will let you all know the details. Also I found out the HBO special "To Hot Not To Handle" is out on DVD now. Just saw it for sale at BestBuy.
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1034. snowboy
5:13 AM GMT on December 05, 2006
Hey Fshhead, great news from Canada! The Liberal Party (the one the forms most of our governments) just elected a new leader (Mr. Stephane Dion). He was an outsider, not backed by the party establishment. Centerpiece of his platform was action on Global Warming! Public opinion has come so far in Canada that this was a major plus for him..

He is likely to be our next Prime Minister, once the current (no action on Kyoto) Conservatives are turfed out - probably within the next 12 months.
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1033. Fshhead
8:08 PM GMT on December 03, 2006
Virgin Atlantic to trial fuel-saving plan
Sun Dec 3, 2006 3:25 PM IST

LONDON (Reuters) - Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic will start trialling a new plan aimed at cutting aviation emissions by towing aircraft to take-off areas at London airports this month, the airline said on Sunday.

Some aircraft will be towed closer to the runway before takeoff at Heathrow and Gatwick airports in an effort to cut fuel burn by reducing the time engines are running before takeoff to about 10 minutes.

"Towing aircraft from a stand substantially reduces the amount of time they need to taxi with their engines running and reduces the time spent queuing before takeoff," a Virgin spokesman said in a statement.

Trials will take place at Heathrow and Gatwick using Boeing 747-400 planes, with a longer trial expected in the first quarter of 2007.

The airports' operator BAA, which is owned by Spain's Ferrovial, and British air traffic control authorities were working with Virgin on the trial.

Virgin was also talking to airports in San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York on similar trials.

Billionaire Branson, who owns half the airline (the other half being owned by Singapore Airlines), said earlier this year he would spend all the profits from his airline and rail businesses to combat global warming.

Airlines are coming under increasing pressure to cut emissions following a boom in air travel which has made aircraft one of the fastest-growing sources of greenhouse gases.

© Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved.

I heard Branson on Bill Maher say his company was going to do this. Good to see him hold true to his words!!!!!
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1032. Fshhead
9:26 PM GMT on December 02, 2006
US Democrats mull climate change
By Nick Miles
BBC News, Washington

The issue of climate change and global warming hardly registered on the political radar in the United States during the recent Congressional elections.
On 7 November however, the Democratic Party secured both houses of Congress and that political shift is likely to mean a change of emphasis over key environmental issues.

The US is the world's largest greenhouse gas polluter but the country has refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol that sets limits on those gases.

Instead President George W Bush has emphasised the need for innovations that will reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

"America is addicted to oil," he said in this year's State of the Union address.

"Keeping America competitive requires affordable energy, the best way to break this addiction is through technology."

Democratic hope

Now that the Democratic Party has taken control of both houses of Congress there is hope amongst senior Democrats that they will be able convince the president that caps on greenhouse gases are needed as well.

"We have an opportunity to put an emphasis on issues of clean energy, renewable energy, global warming, climate change, in a way that wasn't possible during the last several years," says the incoming Democratic Party head of the Senate energy committee, Jeff Bingaman.

Mr Bingaman supports set federal limits on greenhouse gases.
He recently co-authored a letter to President Bush urging him to work with the Democrats to develop solutions to the global warming problem.

As in other areas of legislation, the Democrats are emphasising bi-partisanship.

That is a necessity, rather than a sign of magnanimity.

There are still enough Republicans in the Senate to filibuster legislation - basically talk until it runs out of time for a vote, and if that does not happen the president can still wield his veto.

"If you stake out an extreme position you'll pass nothing," says Raymond Kopp, an analyst at Resources for the Future, a environmental think-tank.

"The Democrats have got to put in place sound policy, start it slow and give it a chance to ramp up over time."
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1031. Fshhead
10:21 AM GMT on December 02, 2006
GM Pledges to Make Plug-In Electric Vehicle


LOS ANGELES - General Motors Corp. on Wednesday became the first automaker to commit to make a rechargeable hybrid vehicle, a move intended to distance the world's largest automaker from its harmful reputation for producing gas-guzzling trucks.

Plug-in hybrid vehicles have the potential to sharply increase fuel efficiency by using advanced batteries to power them over short distances, according to proponents.

Environmental activists have long lobbied GM and other leading automakers to develop such vehicles, which could be readily recharged when not in use, as a way to reduce oil consumption and auto emissions.

GM Chief Executive Rick Wagoner, speaking at the opening of the Los Angeles Auto Show, called development of the plug-in hybrid technology a "top priority" for the automaker.

"The technological hurdles are real, but we believe they are also surmountable," he told reporters at the Greater Los Angeles Auto Show.

Specifically, Wagoner said GM had begun work on a plug-in hybrid version of the Saturn Vue sports utility vehicle as part of an expanded range of vehicles powered by alternatives to traditional gasoline engines.

"We see energy and environmental leadership as a critical element of GM's ongoing turnaround plan, a key part of our future business strategy," he said.

Wagoner said he was uncertain about when a plug-in hybrid would be commercially available.

For GM, which has been stung by criticism alleging that it had conspired to kill an experimental vehicle program in California earlier this decade, Wagoner's appearance in Los Angeles marked an attempt to generate renewed goodwill at a time of declining US sales, industry sources said.

But in a sign of the continued tension around the issue of oil consumption and the Detroit automakers, protesters appeared on stage as soon as Wagoner had concluded his speech at the show, urging him to sign a corporate "pledge" on fuel economy. Wagoner declined: "I think my speech spoke for itself," he shot back.


GM said its plug-in vehicle could provide double the fuel-efficiency of any SUV now on the road.

GM also said starting in 2008 it would begin selling a version of the Vue hybrid using a "two-mode" electric power system it has developed jointly with DaimlerChrysler AG and BMW AG.

Wagoner said GM would have further electric vehicle announcements at the Detroit Auto Show in early January.

Hybrid vehicles, like Toyota Motor Corp's market-leading Prius, are powered by both an electric motor and a gas engine.

Almost a third of the Prius hybrids sold by Toyota have been sold in California, according to data compiled by Experian Automotive.

Some auto analysts have said Toyota's lead in the hybrid market has created a kind of green "halo effect" that has helped it sell other kinds of vehicles, an especially key concern in California, the most populous and richest US state.

GM's hybrid announcements were intended in part to underscore how the automaker is investing some of the $9 billion it has saved through a wrenching program of job cuts and plant closures, executives said.

Wagoner said GM recognizes that to change consumer attitudes about its brands, it has to address environmental concerns.

"These things take time. You build brands and images over a period of time," he said after his speech. "It's going to take a while but it was a great opportunity for us today to make a strong statement."

Toyota spokesman Irv Miller said the Japanese automaker was "going in the same direction" as GM, but would not build a plug-in until it was satisfied that such a car could meet all the demands of its customers.

"We're pleased to see GM recognize (hybrids) as something more than a bridging technology," Miller said.

Ford Motor Co's North American sales chief Cisco Codina said his company was also working on plug-in hybrids as one of a range of gas alternatives.

"Our thinking right now is that we cannot discount any technology," he told reporters. "We're putting our money where our mouth is. And I think to some degree ... there's some catching up to do by some other manufacturers."

Story by Kevin Krolicki

Story Date: 1/12/2006

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Well said by the Toyota spokesman!!!!!!
Not sure if you guys saw the video of the protestors trying to get the GM guy to put his statement in writing. Hats off to these guys, truly fighting the good fight!!!!!
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1030. Trouper415
7:50 AM GMT on December 01, 2006
Keep up the great work all. FSHHEAD nice work!!! The constant realization that Global Warming is real and that it is bad and that people can and need to do something about it will inspire people to make change. It takes a while to get the old train moving but once it's going we are going to see great things happen!!!!

BOOYEA! Happy holodays all.

GO 49ers!!!!!!!
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1029. Fshhead
7:13 AM GMT on December 01, 2006
Sales of Prius, other Toyota Hybrids Slip this Fall


WASHINGTON - US sales of the popular Prius and other hybrids made by Toyota Motor Co. slipped this fall when buyers of those vehicles no longer qualified for a full federal tax break, Toyota officials said on Wednesday.

"Until recently, there was a two-month wait to get one," Jim Press, president of Toyota North America, told an auto technology conference about Prius availability.

Sales and marketing officials said lower gas prices and production changes at the Japanese automaker were other factors that cut into its industry leading gas/electric hybrid sales in October. The October figure of 14,598 was the lowest since March.

Press said for the first time since rolling out the Prius in 2003, Toyota is able to fulfil consumer demand for the car.

He also called on Congress to extend the hybrid tax incentive for 2007 purchases. The Bush administration supports the extension, but it is unclear if lawmakers will act in the waning days of the current session next month.

Energy legislation in 2005 allowed consumers to claim up to $3,600 in tax credits for hybrid purchases. The full credit was capped at 60,000 vehicles per manufacturer, a ceiling Toyota hit last summer.

Consumers can still reap a partial tax credit for Toyota hybrid purchases.

Toyota currently makes six hybrid vehicles and plans a seventh next year -- the first V8 hybrid option on its Lexus LS sedan. Press also said Toyota is considering expanding the Prius line but no decisions have been made.

He also said the government should consider converting its fleet of vehicles to hybrids, saying military applications alone could lead to significant fuel savings and lower emissions. While Toyota continues to lead all manufacturers in hybrid sales and plans to ramp up production next year, the company is less aggressive than its chief US rival, General Motors Corp., in developing another hybrid model -- the plug-in.

GM said on Wednesday it planned to introduce a hybrid sports utility vehicle next year. One of them will plug into an outlet -- much like a toy car -- to recharge its battery. The plug-in theoretically would run longer on battery power than conventional hybrids.

Press said he did not feel threatened by GM's plans for its first hybrid models, and said Toyota will continue to research battery technology and potential markets before deciding whether to commit to a plug-in vehicle.

Plug-in advocates meeting in Washington would like Congress to approve tax credits and research and development grants to facilitate battery research and production of demonstration models. Plug-in batteries must be more robust than current technology, experts said.

Story by John Crawley

Story Date: 30/11/2006

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Well, like I have said here many times the U.S. car companys are WAY behind. Toyota already has six hybrid models with another coming & GM is jumping into it next year. Tooooooo Funny!!! Also the idea for the govt. vehicles should be implemented right away.
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1028. HAARP
10:48 PM GMT on November 29, 2006
st simon i will post that source in a bit but first leme say this... china and india poor huh ?

per capita levels of emmisions are not a true judge of crap... 80% of the people in china and india are farmers... with hand tools... there populations are in the billions...

you can play with all the #'s we want and skew them any way ya want too... that has been whats going on anyway...

now to the important part that everyone ignores...WHAT IS THE PLAN TO GET RID OF IT... not just curbing emmisions...

tell me the plans people... i dont wanna hear anything else about wether we should or shouldnt curb emmisions... its a stupid debate... tell me how we can eliminate this problem...

scaring the crap outta people wont do anything because people really dont care... most people cant even think past today let alone 30 yrs down the road so its useless...

i aint gonna get into the whole gwb issue... all ill say is what did al gore do in office to help his newfound cause?????? but know there is money in it so he is gun ho... please i hate politicians... all of them...

like I always have said to yall... take action yourselves... dont force others... I do my best to stop polluting the air not because this myth but because i choose to breath cleaner air...

funny nobody has even mentioned water pollution and that is a bigger issue than global warming
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1027. Fshhead
7:38 PM GMT on November 29, 2006
Haarp, couple of points I want to address there....
President Bush did say that Kyoto would severely damage the U.S. economy!!!! Like many other things he says one minute its this then its that(stay the course, BinLaden #1 priority,WMD'S in Iraq etc....) This I think is a totally FALSE statement. I just posted something shortly ago about Britain emissions fell 14 per cent between 1990 and 2004 while their economy grew by 41 per cent, one of the fastest paces in the Western world.This to me does not seem like damaging an economy.
I also posted about China earlier. I am not sure about all the specifics of the plans BUT, it did say China is starting to jump aboard cause they will get all the new technology real cheap or implemented for free cause of them not being a major player or something like that.
As far as Kyoto Hmmmmm well I do not care if we sign it or not. All I know is we should be leading the standards in Kyoto. We are the greatest country & the biggest polluters. End of story.
Last but not least. Yes the oil companies are now seeing that they can make huge sums of money on the new technology. BP is the largest holder of solar patents for a few years now. They just squashed & sat on those patents until the time was right. Even they are realizing....
THE TIME IS NOW!!!!!!!!!!
I hope you will come back Haarp after the new reports are released in Feb. Like I already said, this one's going to be the real eye-opener!!!!!!!
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1024. HAARP
3:08 PM GMT on November 29, 2006
now i have some questions too ...

how long does co2 last in the atmosphere?

what is the plan to get rid of it?

are there plans to reforest areas to help digest the co2?

where is this going to be done and who is going to pay for it?

what is the plan ... saying lets eliminate co2 emissions is not a plan... that is just pacifying the public...

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1023. HAARP
2:43 PM GMT on November 29, 2006
snowboy i guess you didnt read both links i posted... or just chose to comment on one of them...

"Posted By: snowboy at 1:39 PM GMT on November 19, 2006.
sorry HAARP, your link just confirms the massive and unprecedented (in recent human history) changes taking place in the Arctic, changes that have implications for weather planet-wide. Seems to me that your the only one looking at both sides of the issue, and not grasping what the science is clearly telling you..

Ok now I have been trying to stay away from the blame game and not bashing the media but ive had it with this crap...

So basically yall dont wanna even think of the posibility that what is happening is just a natural cycle right?

oh and look at this bs line..."The United States and Australia are the only major industrial nations to reject Kyoto. President Bush contends such emissions cuts would harm the U.S. economy."....

is india and china major industrial countries? what about other countries too... this is so biased its insane... and our president said no such thing... what he said is that this treaty would put an undo tax on the united states and would create an unfair advantage to countries that are not in kyoto...which in turn would make a crapload of buisnesses flock to countries where emmisions are not regulated...thus making kyoto nothing more than a economic shifting tool...

that is why we havnt signed it... and we shouldnt...

fishead the srticle you posted says the ice shelf has melted rapidly in the past... did we cause this too? see my point here even these scientists are being swayed by the large amounts of money being funneled into their pockets...800 billion dollars a year is now spent on climate related studies and global warming initiatives...this is why so many scientists have seen the green...i mean lights...

speaking of lights... zaphod i saw you hate cfl lights... i do to but you can just switch to led's and get a better light and a longer lasting light too...led's are the way to go.

now i will await all you to jump down my throat...

lastly ... why do you think shell and bp and the big oil people are so called changing their tune? ever think that maybe they figured out a way of making more money of this.... you watch and see... they will now play both sides of the fence by offering clean burn fuels at an ultra premium price or something similar...

its all about cash
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1022. Fshhead
7:33 AM GMT on November 29, 2006
Massive ice shelf 'may collapse without warning'

1.00pm Wednesday November 29, 2006

The Ross Ice Shelf, a massive piece of ice the size of France, could break off without warning causing a dramatic rise in sea levels, warn New Zealand scientists working in Antarctica.

A New Zealand-led ice drilling team has recovered three million years of climate history from samples which gives clues as to what may happen in the future.

Initial analysis of sea-floor cores near Scott Base suggest the Ross Ice Shelf had collapsed in the past and had probably done so suddenly.

The team's co-chief scientist, Tim Naish, told The Press newspaper the sediment record was important because it provided crucial evidence about how the Ross Ice Shelf would react to climate change, with potential to dramatically increase sea levels.

"If the past is any indication of the future, then the ice shelf will collapse," he said.

"If the ice shelf goes, then what about the West Antarctic Ice Sheet? What we've learnt from the Antarctic Peninsula is when once buttressing ice sheets go, the glaciers feeding them move faster and that's the thing that isn't so cheery."

Antarctica stores 90 per cent of the world's water, with the West Antarctic Ice Sheet holding an estimated 30 million cubic kilometres.

In January, British Antarctic Survey researchers predicted that its collapse would make sea levels rise by at least 5m, with other estimates predicting a rise of up to 17m.

Dr Naish, a sedimentologist with the Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences, said one day the drilling team retrieved a core of 83m, far greater than expected, which contained climate records spanning about 500,000 years.

"We're really getting everything we've dreamed of. What we're getting is a pretty detailed history of the ice shelf," he said.

"You go from full glacial conditions to open ocean conditions very abruptly. It doesn't surprise us that much that the transition was dramatic."

Scientists knew from the collapse of the Larsen Ice Shelf in 2002 that expanses of ice could collapse "extremely quickly".

Once dating of the sample was completed, researchers would be able to look at what the ice shelf was doing during periods when scientists knew from other evidence that it was 2degC to 4degC warmer than today, Dr Naish said.



Well this article is a bit eery cause I just now saw the Al Gore movie & it talks & shows the breakup of the Larsen ice shelf. Like 30-35 miles gone in a month or something like that.Satellite images showed pools of melting water on top of the shelf which was in turn boring down deep to the bottom causing it to crack & slide into the ocean. Gore's movie also shows footage of the same thing happening right down the middle of Greenland. This is NOT GOOD!!!
Like I have said here before, I am not a Al Gore fan but the movie does have ALOT of good video & statistics. I would encourage people to see it!!!!
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1019. Fshhead
3:53 AM GMT on November 28, 2006
Well Snowboy I think the rest of the world has awakened, just need to get this one to!!!!!!!
The sooner the Better!!
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1018. snowboy
3:39 AM GMT on November 28, 2006
good articles there Fshhead - the world is warming and people are starting to wake up, but it's not clear if the awake ones will be sufficient in number/influence to prevent the worst from happening..
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1017. Fshhead
11:05 PM GMT on November 27, 2006

GM Set To Detail Shift To Fuel-Saving Technology

LOS ANGELES, Nov 26 - Stung by criticism that it conspired to kill the electric car, General Motors Corp. is preparing to detail its commitment to new fuel-saving technologies, including new electric vehicles, according to people familiar with the automaker's plans.

GM Chief Executive Rick Wagoner will use an appearance at the Los Angeles Auto Show this week to highlight a development program the automaker hopes will be seen as a strategic shift and help distance it from its reputation as a company focused first on gas-guzzling trucks, people briefed on the presentation said.

The effort is part of GM's bid to demonstrate how it is investing some of the US$9 billion saved through a wrenching program of job cuts and plant closures in technology, including hybrids, an area where it has lagged Toyota Motor Co.

GM is likely to wait until the Detroit auto show in January to comment in depth on its future electric vehicle plans, but Wagoner will discuss the company's strategy in Los Angeles on Wednesday, people with knowledge of the plans said.

GM recognizes that to change consumer attitudes about the quality of its brands it has to address the criticism that it has not done enough to drive advances in fuel economy -- an especially key concern in California, said one GM executive, who asked not to be named ahead of the announcement.

California, the most populous and richest US state, has become increasingly hostile ground for the Detroit automakers, who have watched Toyota ride its reputation for quality and fuel-efficiency to a dominating No. 1 position in the local market.

GM's reputation in California suffered further from the controversy that surrounded this summer's release of the film "Who Killed the Electric Car?"

The critically hailed documentary focused on the role the world's largest automaker played in the decision to end California's experiment with all-electric cars that many environmentalists still see as the most promising alternative to gas engines.

GM declined to comment on upcoming product plans, but a spokesman said the company would provide more detail on its investment in fuel-saving technologies in coming weeks.

"Technology is an area where we have seen an acceleration in our efforts in the past few years, and it's safe to say we'll be providing more information on this," GM spokesman Chris Preuss said.

One area that GM will highlight is its effort to develop a new "series hybrid," a vehicle that would use a gas-engine to generate power only for an electric motor that would drive the car.

GM has also been developing a plug-in electric hybrid vehicle under the internal code-named I-Car. Wagoner is not expected to provide more details on that program until next year, people briefed on the plans said.

Environmental advocates and utilities in California have been pushing GM and other car companies to move such rechargeable vehicles into production, citing their potential to push gas mileage to 100 miles-per-gallon and beyond by running only on battery power for short trips.

GM has its first hybrid vehicle on the US market now, the Saturn VUE Green Line SUV. It has also announced plans to introduce hybrid versions of its Yukon and Tahoe SUVs by late 2007 using technology it has jointly developed with BMW AG and DaimlerChrysler AG.

Hybrid versions of GM's Saturn Aura and the GMC Yukon are expected to be on display at the Los Angeles show.

Ron Cogan the editor of the California-based Green Car Journal, said that upcoming "two-mode" hybrid system, which uses two sets of gears and two electric motors, promises to keep costs of future hybrid vehicles down, reducing a major barrier to their more widespread use.

"I think this might be a coming out party for GM," Cogan said. "They have been beat up a lot in the past about not having a hybrid out and lagging Toyota."

Chelsea Sexton, a former GM employee who featured in "Who Killed the Electric Car?" and now works with the clean-car advocacy group Plug In America, said GM deserved credit for coming "full circle" on electric car technology.

"I have a lot of history with GM," she said. "But I think we have to be cautiously optimistic."

Story by Kevin Krolicki

Story Date: 27/11/2006

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It's about freakin' time!!!!!!! Lets go U.S.A.!!!!!!!!!
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1016. Fshhead
10:58 PM GMT on November 27, 2006
Climate report 'bound to have impact'
POSTED: 10:19 p.m. EST, November 13, 2006

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) -- A long-awaited report by an international scientific network will offer "much stronger" evidence of how man is changing Earth's climate, and should prompt reluctant governments into action against global warming, the group's chief scientist said Monday.

The upcoming, multi-volume U.N. assessment -- on melting ice caps, rising seas and authoritative new data on how the world has warmed -- may provide "just the right impetus to get the negotiations going in a more purposeful way," Rajendra K. Pachauri told The Associated Press midway through the annual two-week U.N. climate conference.

The Indian climatologist is chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a global network of some 2,000 scientists that regularly assesses research into how carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases produced by industry and other human activities are affecting climate.

In its pivotal Third Assessment in 2001, the panel concluded that most global warming -- temperatures rose an average 1 degree in the past century -- was likely the result of such manmade greenhouse gases.

In its Fourth Assessment, to be issued in installments beginning in February, "there's much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place," Pachauri said.

The 1997 Kyoto Protocol requires 35 industrialized nations to reduce their greenhouse emissions by 5 percent below 1990 levels by 2012. The United States and Australia are the only major industrial nations to reject Kyoto. President Bush contends such emissions cuts would harm the U.S. economy.

At the U.N. conference here, Kyoto parties are discussing what kind of timetables and quotas should follow that pact's expiration in 2012.

They also are weighing ways to draw the United States, the world's biggest carbon dioxide emitter, into a mandatory system of emissions caps. Many look toward the scientists' upcoming assessment for support.

"It's bound to have a major impact," Pachauri said.

He said the detailed document will offer significantly more evidence on sea-level rise, the melting of glaciers and the growing scarcity of water. He didn't discuss those details, since the Fourth Assessment Report is still in the draft stage. But it is likely to cite such recent research findings as:

-- World temperatures have risen to levels not seen in at least 12,000 years, propelled by rapid warming the past 30 years.

-- Greenland's ice mass has been melting at what NASA calls a "dramatic" rate of 41 cubic miles per year, far surpassing the gain of 14 cubic miles per year from snowfall.

-- The levels of oceans, expanding from warmth and from land-ice runoff, have risen at a rate of about 2 millimeters a year between 1961 and 2003, and by more than 3 millimeters a year in 1993-2003.

Pachauri said increasingly powerful supercomputers allow scientists to run more accurate models of future climate. The match between what the computer models have predicted and what is actually happening to the climate has become "much, much sharper," he said. This has allowed his panel to refine its range of scenarios for 21st-century climate.

In the 2001 assessment, the U.N. network projected temperatures in this century would rise between 2.5 and 10.4 degrees, depending on many factors, including whether governments move quickly to rein in emissions. In the upcoming report, "we probably have a narrowing of ranges," Pachauri said. "Some of the uncertainties are being reduced."

Further warmth of even 1 or 2 degrees would tend to shift climate zones, disrupting agriculture and ecosystems, and producing more extreme weather events, scientists say.

Pachauri credited the ever-deeper ice-core samples taken in Antarctica and Greenland for allowing scientists to look further back at ancient atmospheres. This "gives you a solid perspective on what human beings have done to Earth's climate," he said.

Citing growing public acceptance of the science of climate change, Pachauri indicated he believed the United States would eventually accept emissions caps. "Democratic governments will have to take into account the views of the public," he said.

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This is the new report I mentioned a few days ago. I think this one going to be the real eye-opener!!! Supposed to come out in February.
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1015. Snowfire
2:09 PM GMT on November 26, 2006
These oil companies are multinational, not just American. My opinion is that their gradual shift in stance has more to do with increasingly tight regulations in Europe (which are already a reality) than with the results of the recent US elections. In today's world, Europe is economically and politically more powerful and influential than the US, and it is in Europe that the important shots will get called, not in Washington. I think the US (and the multinationals) will have no choice but to follow where Europe leads on such issues, though there may be a bit of kicking and screaming along the way.
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1014. Fshhead
8:04 PM GMT on November 25, 2006
Energy Firms Come to Terms With Climate Change

By Steven Mufson and Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, November 25, 2006; Page A01

While the political debate over global warming continues, top executives at many of the nation's largest energy companies have accepted the scientific consensus about climate change and see federal regulation to cut greenhouse gas emissions as inevitable.

The Democratic takeover of Congress makes it more likely that the federal government will attempt to regulate emissions. The companies have been hiring new lobbyists who they hope can help fashion a national approach that would avert a patchwork of state plans now in the works. They are also working to change some company practices in anticipation of the regulation.

"We have to deal with greenhouse gases," John Hofmeister, president of Shell Oil Co., said in a recent speech at the National Press Club. "From Shell's point of view, the debate is over. When 98 percent of scientists agree, who is Shell to say, 'Let's debate the science'?"

Hofmeister and other top energy company leaders, such as Duke Energy Corp.'s chief executive, James E. Rogers, back a proposal that would cap greenhouse gas emissions and allow firms to trade their quotas.

Paul M. Anderson, Duke Energy's chairman and a member of the president's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, favors a tax on emissions of carbon dioxide, the most prevalent greenhouse gas. His firm is the nation's third-largest burner of coal.

Exxon Mobil Corp., the highest-profile corporate skeptic about global warming, said in September that it was considering ending its funding of a think tank that has sought to cast doubts on climate change. And on Nov. 2, the company announced that it will contribute more than $1.25 million to a European Union study on how to store carbon dioxide in natural gas fields in the Norwegian North Sea, Algeria and Germany.

These changes come as Democratic leaders prepare to take over key committees on Capitol Hill. Sen. Barbara Boxer (Calif.), who calls global warming "the greatest challenge of our generation," will take the place of Sen. James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.) as chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. Inhofe refers to global warming as a "hoax."


Well it does look like the debate is over!!!!
Shell & Exxon-Mobil are acknowledging it now. These are HUGE oil companies to say the least. I see real positive things coming for sure!!!
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1013. Fshhead
8:09 AM GMT on November 25, 2006
Apocalypse Now
How Mankind Is Sleepwalking to the End of the Earth
by Maria Gilardin
September 21, 2005

This headline appeared in the London Independent in early February of 2005, following a conference at the Hadley Centre in Exeter, England, where 200 of the world’s leading scientists issued the most urgent warning to date: that dangerous climate change is taking place today, and not the day after tomorrow.

Floods, storms, and droughts. Melting polar ice, shrinking glaciers, oceans turning acidic. Scientists from the fields of glaciology, biology, meteorology, oceanography, and ecology reported seeing a dramatic rise over the last 50 years of all the indicators of climate change: increase in average world temperatures, extreme weather events, in the levels of CO2 and other greenhouse gases, and in the level of the oceans.

The award winning environmental writer Geoffrey Lean wrote: “Future historians, looking back from a much hotter and less hospitable world . . . will puzzle over how a whole generation could have sleepwalked into disaster -- destroying the climate that has allowed human civilization to flourish over the past 11,000 years.”

The overwhelming majority of scientists and international climate monitoring bodies now agree that climate change is taking place, that humans are responsible, and that time is running out. In fact, we could reach “the point of no return” in a decade, reported Lean.

Melting glaciers all across the world include: the Broggi in the Peruvian Andes, Glacier Ururashraju in the Cordillera Blanca of Peru, the Pasterze in Austria, Portage Glacier near Anchorage, Alaska, Mount Hood in Oregon, Mount Kilimanjaro in northeastern Tanzania, the Grinnell Glacier in Glacier National Park, and the Rhone Glacier in Switzerland.


I thought this should be reposted! Old article I found when I started this blog. Always sticks in my mind. This Geoffrey Lean really makes a strong point!!!
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1012. snowboy
4:25 AM GMT on November 24, 2006
I agree Fshhead that solar is the USA's great underappreciated and underutilized potential energy source..
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