Winter Outlook 2008-2009

By: Zachary Labe , 12:30 PM GMT on September 01, 2008

Winter Outlook 2008-2009 (December, January, February)

(Ice Storm of December 2007)

Introducing thoughts...
So I have been announcing this blog for quite awhile. Many forecasters like to get out their forecasts come October and early November because there is a more clear focus on what will happen with ENSO forecasts. But I like to get my forecasts out early and ride with them without making any changes. My seasonal forecast for winter is unusual to a point as I do not define an analog year and I do not base my forecast purely on the overall climatic scheme. My winter outlook is based on recent weather patterns, climatic forecasts from models, ENSO type patterns, sun forecasts, and teleconnections. As many people know I am definitely a winter person. I have been waiting for the return of winter for a long time, especially after a most boring summer with non-eventful weather. But there were some interesting events that occurred in the winter that could possibly show us future patterns for early winter. There is also one other thing I slightly base my forecast on and that is nature patterns, which basically no professional meteorologists forecast based on. But I have always felt that animals are the world's best little meteorologists. Below the following sections will the key forecasting techniques I use for making my winter forecasts break all up. For those who missed my first in the Labor Day Weekend blog series, here is a link... Link. In this blog I took a look back at my summer forecast I made in April of 2008 and I looked at where my forecast errors were. See comments #1 and #13 for more details. So now onto my winter outlook!!!

Look back at typical Pennsylvania's winters...
An average winter in Pennsylvania consists of many different types of winter weather. Winters in Pennsylvania are more severe than middle Atlantic winters and Ohio valley winters, but less severe than neighboring New England winters. On average the first snowflakes fall in mid to late October in the northwestern part of the state. And the last snowflakes typically fall in the northwestern part of the state in early May. Frost season lasts from early October to mid May in most areas. The geographic regions of Pennsylvania play a major part in snow totals and temperatures.

("Courtesy of NOAA")
There are two regions of Pennsylvania that see significantly higher snow totals than the rest of the state. The Laural Highlands and Northwest Mountains see snow totals well over 100inches every winter. In extreme winters snow may be on the ground into June with seasonal totals of over 200inches. The seasonal snow total record is held in Corry, Pennsylvania of 237inches. The monthly snow total record is held in Blue Knob, Pennsylvania with 96inches of snow. Corry is found in the northwest mountains and Blue Knob is a ski resort found in the Laural Highlands. Blue Knob is the highest ski able mountain in Pennsylvania. Below is a map of average seasonal snow totals in Pennsylvania.

("Courtesy of NOAA")
Different types of winter storms affect the state of Pennsylvania, clipper systems, lake effect snow outbreaks, nor'easters, advection snows, and etc. The coldest month is typically January statewide. And the snowiest month statewide is typically February. Northwest Pennsylvania typically sees a majority of their snows in Lake Effect snow outbreaks. While eastern Pennsylvania sees most of their snows from coastal storms. When coastal storms come up the coast many areas in Pennsylvania can see major snowstorms. The Poconos typically see the most snow from coastal storms due to their elevation aid to precipitation totals. Some of the greatest storm total snowfall records are actually held in eastern Pennsylvania and not in the northwest Snowbelt regions. The highest average seasonal snow average is found in Corry, Pennsylvania with an average of 118inches. While the low seasonal snow total is found in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania with 21inches of snow. As far as temperatures go the coldest temperatures are found in the Alleghany Plateau region with the lowest temperature every recorded in Pennsylvania was in Smethport with -42degrees. Temperatures typically dip below freezing every day from November to March statewide. Extreme cold outbreaks typically occur around mid to late January. At times warm thaws may occur, but they are rare and sparse. As for ice storms they typically occur in December when the sun's rays are at their lowest. Very odd winter weather features occur each year including thunder snows, etc. and thunder snows are like thunderstorms but with snow instead of rain. Snow rates up to 5inches can occur. Thunder snows are mostly likely associated with frontal passages and lake effect snows. As far as winds, typically northwest winds setup on the coldest of winter days and can gust up to 50mph. Wind chills as low as -25degrees are felt almost at least once in the mountains of Pennsylvania. On average winds gust to 30mph several times each month. For ice on waterways, many northern lakes and rivers solidly freeze every winter. For southern areas ice forms every winter, but does not necessarily become very thick. During extreme winters though even southern regions can see ice thicknesses of over a foot. The most extreme winter storms that affect Pennsylvania are nor'easters though. They affect large areas of the state with high winds and heavy precipitation. On rare occasions snow totals of over 35inches have occurred with snowdrifts as high as 6ft in many areas of eastern Pennsylvania. Winters in Pennsylvania overall are relatively severe, with geographic regions playing a major part in average snow totals and cold temperatures.

Recent weather patterns...
This summer has been very unusual with our warmest weather falling before summer officially begins. The worst heat wave occured in early June and after that temperature trends began to decline to below normal. One other thing to note is the extremely cool May weather we had in 2008. Troughs dominated the region with many days going in the 30s for lows. Here is a statement I made back on May 19 about the weather we had so far that month. Good Wednesday afternoon!!! Wow, what a miserable May it has been. My highest temperature is 79degrees and that is basically one of very few 70degrees temperatures this month. Yesterday my high temperature was 49degrees along with .39inches of rain. It is amazing of how winter like this pattern we are in looks like. Like the rain yesterday was from an Alberta clipper type storm. And today a cold front is moving through with rainsqualls. Northwest flows also have been quite common this month. Snow this month has been surprisingly more often than it was in April for some mountain areas. Also remember the strong nor'easter we had two weeks ago with 2-4inches of snow in the mountains and in the valleys up to 1inch of snow. Then more traces of snow were recorded. And just the other day snow was reported in Bradford and Johnstown with lake effect snow. In the suburbs of Buffalo, NY up to 1inch of snow fell that day also. Now still snow is in the forecast for northern areas as a shortwave moves through Thursday morning. This is just getting unbelievable. Then came June and a brief impressive heat wave occured in the early part of the month, but throughout the rest of the month temperatures were below normal with troughs. But overall the month ended up above normal thanks to the record-breaking heat wave. For July temperatures were pretty close to normal with a brief heat wave or two during the month, but overall once again more troughs over the region. And August, well what happened to summer during the month, troughs dominated the region with blocking highs. Temperatures were near 6 degrees below normal in the mountains of Pennsylvania. Pretty amazing. For the most part of summer the NAO has consistently been negative which is indicate of east coast below normal temperatures. From April 15 to August 30 the NAO has only been positive for five short periods.

(Courtesy of NOAA)
So looking ahead to September it appears the NAO stays negative and keeps troughs moving over the region for the most part. I always have believed in long-term patterns with the teleconnections and it appears the negative NAO will continue through the winter, but I will talk about that more in a section below. Here is a map showing the average storm tracks from the past 90days along with accumulated precipitation...

(Courtesy of NOAA)
There is no definite correlation between a cold summer leading to a cold winter, but I do feel it sometimes helps in the situation.

Climatic forecasts from computer models...
I really do not rely on computer models for the most part in forecasting short-term climate forecasts, but in any case here in the CFS forecast which takes an average of the NCEP models for several month periods. But overall looking at the CFS there appears to be the forecast of a very cold fall, especially November with normal to above normal temperatures for the months of December, January, and February. The CFS though has been back and forth with predictions with just two weeks ago it was predicting below normal temperatures for the key winter months. Here is a link to the month temperature anomaly forecasts... Link. As for the EURO long-term model, it is released to professional meteorologists each month. Last that I had heard from the August 15 release, it showed below normal temperatures with above normal precipitation across much of the east coast. Here is a link to the release statements... Link. My forecasts usually do not use too much computer model guidance for long-term forecasts. So overall that is all the information I use for my overall forecast.

ENSO climate forecasts...
One of the key players in this winter's forecast is the development of either a pacific La Nina or El Nino. Last year the winter was highly dominated by a very strong La Nina, which caused an unusual jet stream favoring very heavy snow north of I-80 also causing a very active storm pattern. Looking over some of the latest data I have come up with this conclusion. Neutral conditions will persist through the Fall of 2008. Come the winter months of December, January, and November conditions will generally be near neutral slightly leaning towards a weak La Nina. Below are the latest sea surface temperatures for the Pacific which indicate neutral conditions...

(Courtesy of NOAA)
Looking at the latest global model forecasts they generally agree with neutral conditions to even slightly positive conditions with a weak El Nino. But still overall mainly neutral. Looking at the latest CFS spaghetti plot it shows neutral to weak La Nina conditions persisting through most of the winter months. Overall with a weak La Nina possible this favors colder than normal temperatures along with above normal precipitation due to active jet stream. Many infamous winters occured with a weak La Nina such as 1995-1996.

Sun forecast...
While some people do not agree on this topic, one thing for sure is the sun controls our weather. According to the USA Today Weather Book by Jack Williams, sunspots are dark regions on the sun's surface that average about five times the size of the earth. While the sunspots are associated with cool temperatures, they release tremendous amounts of heat and energy towards the Earth. During periods of low sunspot cycles some astronomers and meteorologists agree that is correlated to slightly below normal temperatures on the Earth. Currently the sun has been ever so quiet with absolutely no sunspots in quite a long time. I have seen several correlations between low sunspot periods and rough east coast winters. Here is a chart showing future predictions for sun spot cycles...

(Courtesy of NASA)
Based on this many meteorologists believe this winter will be faced with below normal temperatures. The Farmers Almanac believes we are headed into a colder pattern thanks to cycle 23. Forecasts continue to push back the date of the next cycle, 24 which may max out around 2011, but that date has been pushed back several times. Here is a link to the current picture of the sun... Link. While many meteorologists do not agree on the impact of sunspots, there is some factual evidence to suggest that the "Little Ice Age" was due to a low sunspot cycle.

Now I hinted on this earlier, but I do believe we are headed into a long-term negative NAO regime. Here is a link to the CPC teleconnection page... Link. Also it appears that a positive PNA and negative AO will persist through the winter. I really do not have much to mention about the teleconnections for the winter other than my predictions.

A look at what mother earth is telling us...
While this section is anything but scientific, I do find that animals have a sense of forecasting the weather. No I do not mean like a groundhog seeing its shadow, but I mean by looking at annual migrations of bird, etc. I have seen abnormal amounts of Canadian Geese already beginning their migration southward throughout the past week. This is way ahead of schedule. Fall leaves are beginning to change much earlier than normal. Last year leaves changed late. There are plenty of other unusual things occurring. Squirrels have been actively gathering acorns for the winter also. If anyone else has any observations, please leave them in a comment below. Nature can tell us a lot about the weather, but most professionals are reluctant to take notice.

Overall forecast...
So overall here is my forecast for the 2008-2009 winter for the months of December, January, and February. For snowfall I am thinking normal snowfall for most locations, but above normal snowfall in the typical lake effect snow belts thanks to very active arctic front patterns followed by lake effect snow. The pattern will favor very chilly and dry air sometimes suppressing precipitation to the south of the region as we have seen this August already.
Snowfall Outlook

As for temperatures I think we are going to see widespread below normal temperatures for a majority of the state, though I do not see temperatures being values anywhere near record values for coldest winters.
Temperature Outlook

Concluding thoughts...
While my discussions above are at times not typical to other seasonal forecaster's methods, I try to use techniques that work for my liking. I do not use any previous analog years. Also I did release my winter outlook relatively early, because I like to get my thoughts out early, even though some may argue it is too early to get a feel for the overall climatic scheme. On March 1, which is the end of the meteorological winter, I will reopen this seasonal outlook and take a look at my forecast accuracies and errors. I was pleased with my summer 2008 forecast, so we will have to wait and see how this forecast turns out. These are experimental forecasts, which provide several learning opportunities for others and myself. I do not consider seasonal forecasting one of my strong subjects, as it takes an expert to look at all of the forecasting variables to make a seasonal prediction. In any case I am excited about the prospects of this winter and hope everyone will be ready to share forecasting ideas for each major winter storm with speculation ranging from best to worst case scenario. I will release my winter format for my blogs sometime this month probably in a week or two. Hopefully this will be an exciting winter. Have a wonderful and safe winter!!! And be sure to stay tuned throughout the winter to my blog updates, lol. Have a great day!!!

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123. Zachary Labe
7:44 PM GMT on September 05, 2008
dean2007- Flood watch and wind advisory here. I agree with a minimal hurricane upon landfall.
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122. dean2007
7:39 PM GMT on September 05, 2008
Also Blizzard there is a Flood Watch for us.
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121. dean2007
7:39 PM GMT on September 05, 2008
I will have weather reports Blizzard, unless we loose power here, which is possible. Matt Noyes says winds could gust 60 to 70mph. He says Hanna could be an 80 to 90mph hurricane at landfall. Hanna is really getting her act together. Its too bad for Hanna that it took so long. Great for us thought because she doesn't have the potential to become a category three or four hurricane like the GFDL had a few days before.
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120. Zachary Labe
7:08 PM GMT on September 05, 2008
TheRasberryPatch- Good afternoon!!! I will provide all the updates concerning Hanna in my new blog which will be posted in about one hour.

sullivanweather- Good afternoon!!! Currently 89degrees here.

dean2007- Good afternoon!!! Sounds good for you up there. I want to continuous reports out of Cape Cod!
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119. dean2007
6:14 PM GMT on September 05, 2008
I want to pass along details as I notice them...a few things so far this morning:

* Hanna is wrapping thunderstorms steadily around her center now and is over 85 degree ocean water that supports a Cat 5 storm. She won't grow that strong - limited time over water before landfall and not perfect conditions aloft - but she looks poised to strengthen

* Dry air intrusion on the east side limited Hanna for the last few days. Thunderstorms are filling that void and cutting off the dry air. A well developed center will get the heat engine going.

* Latest recon aircraft found no strengthening, but came out as the organizing process was underway.

* QuikScat satellite estimated winds show weakening winds far north of the center - in other words, the wind field is contracting and Hanna is becoming more tropical in nature.

* Will watch for continued signs of strengthening - wouldn't be shocked to see her strengthen linearly until landfall in NC very early Sat. This would mean stronger wind gusts for New England later. Right now, still thinking this may happen and that's why I'm sticking with SE gusts to 60-70 mph possible in SE MA and Cape Cod/Islands for a time overnight Sat night. Scattered trees down, power lines down, and typical marine impacts, but lower astronomical high tide limits flooding threat along the coast.

Matt Noyes.
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118. sullivanweather
4:20 PM GMT on September 05, 2008
Looks like you're hitting 90 again today.

Yesterday at this time you were at the same temp and wound up at 93. I think 91 is entirely possible.
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117. TheRasberryPatch
11:17 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
it will be interesting to see my anemometer working from Hanna, since this summer it has been tasked hardly. i hope we get some beneficial rain.
Blizz, what are you thoughts on the beaches of MD and DE. I hope it isn't too bad. I have my boat in the water in a back bay that is somewhat protected.
One other thing Blizz. I saw another wolly caterpillar again with no black stripes. its color is almost golden
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116. Zachary Labe
10:28 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
MDFirefighter- Yep, but our winter time will come shortly...hopefully, lol.

jthal57- You are in a very good area to see the effects of Hanna. I am thinking a track up the I-95 corridor.

***New blog should be out by evening about Hanna.
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115. jthal57
10:24 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
Blizzard-Saturday should be interesting to see how Hannah effects our area
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114. MDFirefighter
10:22 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
Haha, I'm ready as well. Too bad this isn't winter :P LOL
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113. Zachary Labe
10:21 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
MDFirefighter- Good morning!!! Yep, I am ready. Model trends seemed to have moved the track slightly farther west overnight which is better for us to see some excitement.
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112. MDFirefighter
10:18 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
Good morning Blizzard. Ready for some rain? lol
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111. Zachary Labe
10:13 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
shoreacres- Good morning!!! There is one major steering mechanism that will either lift Ike northward or keep it at a westerly pace as that is another trough digging down from the Midwest. If Ike can feel the weakeness in the trough it will lift slightly northward. Personally that is what I am thinking now. When looking for surface features use the 500mb charts on the global models which will point out, highs, lows, ridges, troughs, etc. Keep monitoring Ike. Have a great day!!!
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110. shoreacres
4:08 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
Hi, Blizzard,

Ok, it's time to seek a little knowledge. I just peeked at the models for Ike, and there our boy is, sneaking into the Gulf next week (according to the European and GFDL). I went looking but couldn't find anything that shows me what the situation for steering is going to be. Any projected fronts, or high pressure, or whatever, that would keep that thing away from TX/LA?

It's too soon to have to get nervous again, but I might as well get nervous now and get it over with! LOL!
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109. dean2007
2:03 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
Ok thanks.
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108. Zachary Labe
12:49 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
dean2007- I guess there is always a chance of tornadoes with a landfalling tropical system. Overall I do not see anything that would enhance that threat. At this point I would say it should be not too much of a concern. I think most of the rain will be over the stratiform variety. But to the east of the center then there maybe some convection with slight tornado threat.
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107. dean2007
12:39 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
Blizzard thoughts on the tornado threat for Southern New England on Saturday the SPC is talking about for the day three outlook. Although they have 5% out for now do to Hanna's uncertain future track.
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106. Zachary Labe
12:35 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
weathergeek5- Tropics always seem to go in interval patterns varying between active weeks and non-active weeks. I will definitely be watching Ike.

cchamp6- Really, wow. I heard it from a public report. I am not sure where the report could be found. At least you got some rain.
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105. cchamp6
12:18 AM GMT on September 05, 2008

When did you hear about a funnel cloud? I didnt hear about it. Watertown is only 5 miles to my south. There was a ton of thunderstorms last evening, even after I thought we were done. Lightning lasted for what seemed like hours. I only had about a third of an inch of rain.
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104. weathergeek5
12:14 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
I will be watching Ike to see what he does. After that I think shear values in the Atlantic are supposed to go up for a bit
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103. Zachary Labe
12:06 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
weathergeek5- Yea I was outside. Though I remember most of the worst of the wind occuring late at night. At that time I did not yet have my hand-held anemometer to record the wind gusts while I was outside. Also Isabel was before I began documenting the weather every day. I have been keep accurate records of each day's weather for the past three years.
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102. weathergeek5
12:02 AM GMT on September 05, 2008
Did you go outside and observe the conditions?
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101. Zachary Labe
11:57 PM GMT on September 04, 2008
weathergeek5- O yes I do too. Isabel brought down a large part of a tree in my front yard during the night.
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100. weathergeek5
11:55 PM GMT on September 04, 2008
I remember Isabel well. I was outside for a part of it observing current conditions :) I forgot to add this. It is good that they have a modify comment on here. What is your gut feeling on Ike? I have the perfect solution for Ike. You can mark this down. The track of Ike is for the US is... to early to say as of now. There are a lot of complicated variables in this solution with Ike. It is a wait and see attitude.
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99. Zachary Labe
11:54 PM GMT on September 04, 2008
weathergeek5- Wow lucky you, I guess the last time I was under an inland tropical storm warning was during Isabel. But off course nothing for me from Hanna.
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98. weathergeek5
11:44 PM GMT on September 04, 2008
For me in Delaware

Tropical storm watch in effect...

... New information...

A tropical storm watch has been issued...

... Areas affected...

This statement recommends actions to be taken by persons in...
northern Delaware... northeast Maryland and southern New Jersey.

... Watches/warnings...

Please listen to NOAA Weather Radio or go to weather.Gov on the
internet for more information about these additional hazards.

Flood Watch.

... Precautionary/preparedness actions...

Listen to NOAA Weather Radio or local radio or TV stations for up to
date storm information.

... Storm surge and storm tide...

The storm surge of 2 to 4 feet above normal is possible as Hanna
moves into the region late Friday into Saturday. The highest level
will be during the afternoon high tide late Saturday morning into
the afternoon.

... Winds...

Sustained winds tropical storm force... greater than 39 mph with
gust up to 45 and 50 mph are possible beginning early Saturday
morning and lasting into the late afternoon. These speeds will be
sufficient to cause some power outages and fallen trees.

... Probability of hurricane/tropical storm conditions...

For Wilmington de...

There is a 30 percent chance of winds 39 mph or greater.

For Salem NJ...

There is a 40 percent chance of winds 39 mph or greater.

... Inland flooding...

Rain will begin across northeast Maryland late Friday night into
early Saturday... with the heaviest rains directly associated with
Hanna Saturday morning through mid Saturday afternoon. Rainfall
totals of 3 to 5 inches are possible. These amounts could cause
flash flooding of small streams... creeks... and highly urbanized

... Next update...

The next update will be issued between 10 and 11 PM EDT.

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97. Zachary Labe
7:29 PM GMT on September 04, 2008
***New blog coming tomorrow detailing all about the effects of Hanna on the local region. I will have full discussions and wind/rainfall maps. I will revisit this winter outlook by the beginning of March as meteorological Spring starts.
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96. Zachary Labe
7:08 PM GMT on September 04, 2008
MDFirefighter- Good afternoon!!! Yep you are right about that, though the track keeps shifting east dwindling our effects.

JDinWPA- Good afternoon!!! I heard about that. In fact I believe we are at the second lowest sea ice coverage since records began. But I have heard reports that intense cold air is now building back up, there.
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95. JDinWPA
2:09 PM GMT on September 04, 2008
Good morning Bliz. I came across and interesting article on msn this morning about a large ice shelf breaking from its land mass in the Canadian Artic. Very interesting. And something a little different than the tropics.
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94. MDFirefighter
1:13 PM GMT on September 04, 2008
The next few days are going to be VERY interesting regarding Hanna and Ike.
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93. Zachary Labe
10:14 AM GMT on September 04, 2008
weathergeek5- Good morning!!! Hurricane Ike is now a category 4 hurricane under no shear and high water temperatures. Also there is little dry air anywhere around the system allowing for perfect growth. It is a very compact storm though. I heard a few people mentioning the similiarity to Isabel, very interesting.

dean2007- Good morning!!! I do not usually like model intensities, but the HWRF seemed to do pretty well, so far.
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92. dean2007
2:13 AM GMT on September 04, 2008
Ike is a monster, however its small. Could be a category four hurricane at the 11pm EDT advisory if Raw T#s stay at their current state. Maybe the HWRF was not so off after all. However its been pretty consistent on showing a category five hurricane.
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91. weathergeek5
1:21 AM GMT on September 04, 2008
Is this site back on? Ike looks a bit like hurricane Isabel. I wonder if it will develop an eye like Isabel did. Also I tried to post this, who made Ike mad?
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90. Zachary Labe
12:37 AM GMT on September 04, 2008
TheRasberryPatch- I have used it at near street level and it worked pretty well. The new tornado feature is interesting. I went back through the years and all of the tornado tracks were plotted through the Lower Susquehanna Valley. Pretty interesting. They also have a great tropics feature, but that does not really come in handly for areas around here.
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89. TheRasberryPatch
12:31 AM GMT on September 04, 2008
Yes, Blizz. i have used wundermap all summer long. i like to have two windows open one with the wundermap and the other with the regular radar and compare the two.
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88. Zachary Labe
12:08 AM GMT on September 04, 2008
TheRasberryPatch- Thanks! Have you been using the Wundermap? It is quite accurate and has lots of interesting features.

cchamp6- I heard a funnel cloud was reported near Watertown, CT.

***Look at this...
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87. TheRasberryPatch
12:05 AM GMT on September 04, 2008
Blizz, the weather widget if you go to the top of the page you will see Desktop. click on it and it gives you some downloads. choose the windows vista sidebar gadget. follow the directions and you get your conditions on a sidbar
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86. cchamp6
12:03 AM GMT on September 04, 2008
Another severe storm warning for my area. I think it may graze me.
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85. Zachary Labe
11:59 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
cchamp6- Lol, that always happens. Sometimes it looks like the perfect picture on the small digital camera screen, but then when you upload it, it is all blurry.
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84. cchamp6
11:58 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
Yeah it looks to be following the exact path as the earlier storms. Of course the two best photos came out blurry.
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83. Zachary Labe
11:57 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
cchamp6- Great picture! Look at all of those cloud layers and features! I am not sure, but I think that cell may just slide to your east.
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82. cchamp6
11:54 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
Hold on here comes one more shot! Link
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81. cchamp6
11:52 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
Picture of storm about 12 miles to my south at sunset.img src="Photobucket" alt="" />
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80. Zachary Labe
11:43 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
wxgeek723- Good evening!!! I remember that storm. Quite a picture of the blowing sand, I bet that would sting. And yep there was unusual snow near State College. Here is a link to my previous blog on the recap of the storm... Link.
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79. Zachary Labe
11:40 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
cchamp6- It is always nice to have surprises, weatherwise. Back in July I had a surprise thunderstorm which actually produced a microburst just to my south. The cell was all alone and there were no other thunderstorms in the state.

weathergeek5- Lol, well I think I can guess what website that is. Anyways that is a pretty big range and 80mph is a bit extreme to say the least. I would not rule out a gust to a max of 60mph in coastal areas. Of course this could change if Hanna is stronger than predicted. I think there should be some pretty widespread 40mph gusts. Hanna should be a weak tropical storm by the time it reaches the mason-dixon line. As for effects, the storms are getting pretty close to each other, but I do not think they will impact each other. For the track of Ike we need to watch the procession of troughs along the east coast.
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78. wxgeek723
11:38 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
Yeah, I remember May was brutally cold and rainy too. A particularly significant event was the "2008 Mother's Day Nor'easter" as the Mount Holly, NJ WFO dubbed it. It nearly produced a snowstorm in PA (or did it?). I saw a picture from the Jersey shore during the storm:

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77. weathergeek5
11:27 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
A Certain website says (I know but if you stroll to the site) says 40-80 MPH winds on the I-95 Corridor. Is that a big range and do you think it is possible? Now I wonder if Hanna will affect Ike in any way like recurving the storms?
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76. cchamp6
11:26 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
There are more storms firing around me. I just got a few shots of a thunderstorm just to my south in the setting sun. It was pretty amazing site. Iam not sure the pictures will be great though. Im downloading and will post later on.
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75. Zachary Labe
11:20 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
weathergeek5- Good evening!!! Sounds like a pretty decent forecast by the NWS at this point. I think though western areas may see more rain than those on the eastern track of the storm thanks to the squeeze play with the moisture of the incoming front with remnants of Gustav and then Hanna to the east.
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74. weathergeek5
11:17 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
Here is what out NWS is saying now with Hanna:

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73. Zachary Labe
11:07 PM GMT on September 03, 2008
cchamp6- Lol, sounds like a good-old Pennsylvania thunderstorm. Well at least it is not like your in a drought.

dean2007- You are right, it is really blowing up! Has the perfect stadium effect with the eyewall forming already. There is absolutely no shear to inhibit Ike and water temperatures are a toasty 29C. Watch out for Ike!
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