Outflow

By: ycd0108 , 1:24 AM GMT on January 16, 2012

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Today:
Up at about 0630 and measured 4" of snow on the porch. Tiny flakes but lots of them. This kind of snow accumulates quickly so I just - 0900 - measured a full 6" out on the lawn. It occurs to me that the ruler might have gone further into the grass than the snow depth.
Then I measured the snow depth where Tloml's car had been parked on clean gravel: 1" in the hour since she drove out.
I bet we exceed the 8" accumulation just now warned by Environment Canada.
Dat's "Outflow" for ya.
Previous:
Setting up here for some snow. Crazy pictures: http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/cabc0195
on the local news of snow squalls that look like water spouts over the Salish Sea. My eldest daughter and grand daughter saw these "isolated Showers" as they flew over yesterday (to the continent) and back today. I can see small concentrations still drifting from the North west over the middle of the Strait on current radar.
Reminds me I should tarp the boat and put my pickup and tools under cover tonight.
So far no precipitation here and about 2 degrees C. Nice day so we followed some trails through our woods.
This setup can drop a lot of snow in a short time.
Pacific moist air coming east over us meets outflow from the interior and the outflow winds pick up moisture from the Strait. It doesn't need to be very cold here to make for heavy snow.
I claimed to have seen up to 6" per hour of snow accumulation, though I have no records to prove that. If we do get a dump I'll try to measure timing and depth and get a photo.
Actually I'd rather not need to do that - it can be problematic where to put the snow off the deck and getting Tloml's little Versa out of the 1,000' driveway means I mash the track down with the 4x4 and then tow her car out. At the end of the drive a paved road runs steeply down hill so she can usually get out from there but sometimes the little front wheel drive won't make it up again.
I can generally make the hill with the pickup in four wheel drive but since I have slid backward down it a couple of times I do not attempt to tow other vehicles up. We leave the two wheel drive vehicles on the level and hope some other dingaling does not loose it on the hill and crash into them.

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20. ycd0108
8:47 PM GMT on January 19, 2012
So here is one of my recipes for "Soup D'Loop":
Fry some bacon in a sauce pan and chop up onion, celery and a good sized garlic clove. When the bacon starts to get cooked toss in the other stuff. Stir. When it feels right pour in some chicken broth and maybe a cup of white wine. Let this boil and then add the leftover rice from last night. Low heat by now. Season with "Punch Your Papa" and add a dash of Soy sauce.
Let me declare that "It's all Right!"
As long as ZZ Top don't sue for copyright violation.
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19. ycd0108
7:53 PM GMT on January 19, 2012
Still Morning here BriarCraft:
For another 20 minutes. I saw that on the Wiki site. Not sure if it is actual. seems like the switchboards were well lit, though. That's good.
We are still well below freezing so the snow is just sitting there. It's supposed to warm up in a day or so.
Not as bad as some points north of us. The outflow winds are bringing wind chills down to -20C. in some places.
Buddy emailed "BRRRR" from a light house a couple of hundred miles up the Coast.
We are not getting that extreme: it's about -3C with no wind just now.
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18. BriarCraft
7:19 PM GMT on January 19, 2012
Got some weather there, you do. Same kind of snow here. Thanksfully, the drizzle of the past 24 hours has reduced the volume by more than half. If temps hold at or slightly above 0C (32F), it should be mostly gone here by tomorrow. At which time, I'll fetch the mail that's accumulating in the mailbox and restock the milk and other perishables in the fridge. I could make it out now in my little front-wheel drive Hyundai, but I can just as well wait another day. Glad I don't have to go to work any more.

All this internet hoopla piracy worry reminds me of when the movie industry got their undies in a wad over VCRs. This, too, will pass when the next new electronics gizmo is developed. Meanwhile, BBC quoted Wiki as saying, "You said no. You shut down Congress's switchboards. You melted their servers."
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17. ycd0108
5:48 PM GMT on January 19, 2012
Morning Pat:
Good "food for thought" there. There will be a few hiccups and speed bumps on the way but I'm imagining the "Techies" will build routes around the main checkpoints.
It seems that the people who wish to control internet content do not understand what is going on.
I don't claim to understand it either - I simply appreciate it.
But they have the "Think Tanks" to advise them:
Maybe that is their problem?
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16. Patrap
4:18 PM GMT on January 19, 2012
We have the will, money, Human Spirit, Drive, energy, mindset..to Create a better World.
That is what is occurring here, on the internet, Globally.

You must look at it.

It is so.

We are connected as never before and it is we who now can change the World for better.

That what we can do, being right, is what we should do.
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15. ycd0108
1:56 PM GMT on January 19, 2012
Morning Bogon:
I assume you have read the Wiki statement T-A-13 put up at #267 on Dr. Masters' Blog.
Quite the phenomenon!
I'm looking forward to Rob's next rant.
So we start to see what this tool, the internet, can do.
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14. Bogon
9:54 AM GMT on January 19, 2012
Fun to see so many well paid but spineless elected representatives backpedaling in disarray.

The legal threat has been postponed for now, but it will return time and time again unless "the media companies" take Rob's advice, or until our lawmakers stop advancing the companies' cause.
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13. ycd0108
4:19 AM GMT on January 19, 2012
Hey Rob! Good times Rant as well as roll. Any time. I ranted to the kids, ranted to the neighbors and ranted to myself. One of my pet peeves is the garbage that is so often sold to us as the "Latest" tech thingy. Gotta admit that I have bought in but Damnit! When I build something I look down the line and try to see what it will be in a few years. Some stuff stands the test of time - an Hammer is still an hammer even if the new fangled one is made from Titanium. That is what they claimed for the last edition of a framing hammer.
We took this toy to work - Yup, it's really light.
Does it drive a nail like the old Vaughn?
Not an Hope.
'Course this was early on in the techno revolution
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12. RobDaHood
12:19 AM GMT on January 19, 2012
Link

Oh, boy...permission to rant!

For maybe the last 20 years the big media companies have gotten favor after favor from congress. They have big bucks and high priced lawyers. No, I don't believe that piracy is right and don't support it in any form, but I'm sick and tired of restrictions on the way I use something that I paid for. I'm tired of having to upgrade hardware every time they come out with a few new bells and whistles and new types of copy protection. I swore never to buy anything again with the name Sony on it after the root kit scandal They did something that a hacker would have gotten locked up for.

In the past, I have bought 1000s of records, cassettes, cds, and movies. I don't buy music anymore, nor do I download it. I listen to radio sat radio or pandora. I buy very few movies. I do have all the premium movie channels on DirecTV. I watch a lot of them, but very few are worth owning or buying a ticket for.

If the media companies want to make more money, fire 90 percent of the lawyers and lobbyist that you employ and put that money towards content development. Allow your customers to use what they paid for any way they like. Stop treating them like criminals.

Yes, there will always be piracy. It can never be fully stopped. But most people are willing to pay for something of value. Try giving it to them.

I could go on and on...but I'm hungry.

-Later.
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11. ycd0108
11:36 PM GMT on January 18, 2012
Snow stopped here and we cleared the porch and sidewalks. Took the 4x4 out and mashed down the driveway. A neighbour has plowed the hill but the road beyond is still just tire tracks.
Some good news:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-1662383 1
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10. ycd0108
2:35 PM GMT on January 17, 2012
Morning Rob: And you could buy that car new for the dollar cost of a new headlight today.
After Tloml wakes up I'm going to listen here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-16555916
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9. RobDaHood
7:41 AM GMT on January 17, 2012


Now, that's a bumper!
Knew a guy that had one of those. More steel in that care than a modern full size truck.
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8. ycd0108
12:49 AM GMT on January 17, 2012
How'd you guess that, Rob?
Got the "sewing" done: bits of pine to back the plastic for some screws, the pine will likely outlast the bumper. Some "Gorilla Glue" to try to hold the sections that show which allow no way to renew busted fasteners. Between the "Bumper and the flakey plastic "rock guard" the whole assembly might weigh ten pounds. Inside there is a huge void before you would start to crumple the Radiator. So I'm guessing this bulbous fairing is for cosmetic purposes only. Aerodynamics don't enter the equation at the speeds we drive nowadays.
Gimme one of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1960_Desoto_Adv enturer,_Belgian_licence_registration_OBF-886_p13. JPG
and an open road and hold my beer - I'll show you what I mean
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7. RobDaHood
10:04 PM GMT on January 16, 2012
Quoting ycd0108:
Lots of Bumper car activity all around us:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/st ory/2012/01/16/bc-vancouver-snow.html
But I think the High pressure is somewhat North and so is the off shore Low.
Just looked at the CMC analysis charts and the low is supposed to be just north of Seattle. Highs are well north and east. Next few days could bring us something yet.
Waiting for the shop to warm up so I can stitch Tlomls front bumper back on. When I complained to the girl at the Cold Beer and Wine Store about the flimsy "Bumper" she said:
"Don't you miss those days when we "HayWired" the muffler on and if a bumper got loose you simply took it off?" Need I mention that this "Girl" is mature enough to remember those times. I do miss those days and I drive older vehicles which still have something you can haywire to.
Tloml uses her car to do Home Visits with palliative Care - quite often she has to drive and park in our "upscale" neighbourhoods. Who else can afford the upscale except the old and infirm? The other O.T.s and Nurses generally have nice looking cars so we try to keep the Tinker toy car looking presentable but last time she clipped my licence plate holder backing out (I had pulled the truck ahead a bit after she had parked) it barely flaked the holder and repair to the panels on the Toy cost the insurance company $3500 and her the $300 deductable.....

And it was your fault for not parking right...
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6. ycd0108
8:15 PM GMT on January 16, 2012
Lots of Bumper car activity all around us:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/st ory/2012/01/16/bc-vancouver-snow.html
But I think the High pressure is somewhat North and so is the off shore Low.
Just looked at the CMC analysis charts and the low is supposed to be just north of Seattle. Highs are well north and east. Next few days could bring us something yet.
Waiting for the shop to warm up so I can stitch Tlomls front bumper back on. When I complained to the girl at the Cold Beer and Wine Store about the flimsy "Bumper" she said:
"Don't you miss those days when we "HayWired" the muffler on and if a bumper got loose you simply took it off?" Need I mention that this "Girl" is mature enough to remember those times. I do miss those days and I drive older vehicles which still have something you can haywire to.
Tloml uses her car to do Home Visits with palliative Care - quite often she has to drive and park in our "upscale" neighbourhoods. Who else can afford the upscale except the old and infirm? The other O.T.s and Nurses generally have nice looking cars so we try to keep the Tinker toy car looking presentable but last time she clipped my licence plate holder backing out (I had pulled the truck ahead a bit after she had parked) it barely flaked the holder and repair to the panels on the Toy cost the insurance company $3500 and her the $300 deductable.....
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5. ycd0108
2:28 PM GMT on January 16, 2012
Ylee:
I just checked the cams on your blog. Looks like a "Chinook Arch" over the big white lake - Almoosedhome,I think.
I have mostly driven 4x4s for many years: QuadraTrac, Mazda, Ford and now Chev. Lately the Chev has been reluctant to engage the forward gear box but the Outflow is on it's way for tonight so I may need it. One other factor in bad driving conditions is that you are at the mercy of whoever is driving the vehicles around you to keep their wagon under control. My solution is to stay home.
Morning Rob:
Airboats would likely perform better than wheels in a lot of cases - just need a prop you can feather to reverse thrust.
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4. RobDaHood
8:34 AM GMT on January 16, 2012
You guys can keep that stuff. I hate driving in it and I'm not a good passenger. It's a lot like airboats I guess. Very counter intuitive to mash the throttle when you are in trouble.
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3. Ylee
7:41 AM GMT on January 16, 2012
ycd, I had a little fwd Isuzu that I thought I was unstoppable in, until I met a hill with a thick sheet of ice! Needless to say, my bravado stopped right there! :)

Hope the outflow is treating you favorably!
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2. ycd0108
4:02 AM GMT on January 16, 2012
Good evening Bogon:
"You can't predict it
Till it happens to you"
I grew up with snow in the B.C.'s Okanagan so I thought I could manage the snow here. I learned there are many types of snow. Northern tribes have named quite a number of snows. On this Island the snow comes most often at or near freezing, sometimes above freezing on the ground. It is sticky (in your tire tread but not on the road) and slippery.
I was driving a resold Highways Crummy bought in Alberta with 10 ply highway tires which could not pull itself up a slight slope on wet grass when I learned this lesson the first time. I put the hammer down on the turn and actually made it way too far up the hill. I imagine we did the same experiments: the brakes are now your worst enemy and you need to get the wheels rolling to steer at all. Meantime a number of neighbors had parked haphazardly on the run-out from the hill. Whistling past them was more luck than skill.
I rode with my uncle in his logging truck as a young teenager and he talked about bringing a loaded truck down an icy hill: when your driving wheels loose traction you go up through the gears till the tires get a bit of the road. 'Course that's difficult to do in reverse.
There was a video posted on Dr. Masters' blog a number of weeks ago of snow in St. Louis - 26 cars all bunged together after doing this manoeuver. At least one of them was an heavy duty work truck with four wheel drive. It could not stop any better than the others.
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1. Bogon
3:07 AM GMT on January 16, 2012
That reminds me of a story from the blizzard of '93. I was in school, a forty year old undergraduate. At about 2:30 on Friday afternoon I finished my last class and headed for my aunt's house. It was a short drive, well under ten miles, but with traffic and red lights it took about twenty minutes. Halfway along I stopped at a grocery store.

I wasn't there long. Single college students don't usually have big shopping lists. Around the time I turned my cart toward the checkout line, I noticed it was snowing.

Heavy white flakes were peppering down when I got back to my car. I decided it might be a good idea to hustle homeward. I had a two-wheel drive car and no chains.

It was cold. The snow stuck from the first flake. By the time I reached my aunt's driveway, it was already buried under a couple of inches. The driveway ascends steeply to the house, which is located on the side of a mountain. But it wasn't far, no more than a hundred yards, and it had been dry twenty minutes earlier. I was optimistic. I hit the hill with a pretty good head of steam.

For a few seconds I thought it was going to work. My momentum carried me a hundred feet up the slope.

Then friction forsook me. My wheels were turning forward, but the car started to slide back.

That was a feeling I hope I never have again. My brain shifted into overdrive. I realized that I would have the best chance of controlling events if I went with the flow. I quit trying to climb the hill and bent all my attention to preserving what traction might remain for purposes of rolling back down.

I don't know if I was lucky or good, but in less time than it takes to tell I was back at the bottom, still on the pavement. Now what? I wondered. I sat there for a minute while my breathing and heartbeat slowed to something approximating normal.

In a minute I managed to pull the car to one side, out of the way of traffic, and parked. I got my school stuff and the groceries and trudged very carefully up the driveway. Feet worked better than tires. When in doubt I could walk on the grass.

It snowed over a foot. It was about three days before I was able to bring my car to the carport, and it took a whole lot of shoveling to make it happen. :oP
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