Preview our new site design!

By: Product Team , 6:56 PM GMT on April 01, 2014

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We’ve been working furiously for the past few months, updating our site page by page. Some of the design changes are obvious, but we’ve also been making a lot of backend changes, cleaning up our code and implementing the newest technology in order to cut down on page load time and make smarter (and fewer) data calls. Today, we’re launching the lion’s share of our site to our beta domain, preview.wunderground.com! We are still tying up some loose ends, and we’re hoping to push live sooner rather than later. Take a look at all that we’ve added, and of course let us know what we’re missing. We think you’ll find everything you’re accustomed to, plus a few new features we’re really excited about. And, everything is responsive!

http://preview.wunderground.com

If you want to learn more about our redesign process, I’m handing it over to our Creative Director, Jennifer Potter. She can tell you about why we made the decisions we made, and how we think they’ll help you absorb more data and be more informed about the weather:

Hi wundergrounders! Jennifer Potter here.

If you’ve checked out our beta page, you’ve gotten a hint of the visual changes that are underway. To start, we’ve updated our palette and typeface. We’ll be updating our logo, too, but I’ll talk more about that later.

To help you get the data you need faster, we’re thinking more about visual hierarchy. If you were to take a step back and look at our current site, you’d see a lot of square containers with blue bars at the top. We didn’t have a good plan for adding information, so we put everything in boxes to try and organize it. But you’re not here for boxes. You’re here for data. What good is a bright blue box that says Weather at a Glance when you could just as easily focus on the actual weather data, at a glance? In many cases, those boxes just add to the visual clutter that draws the eye away from what you’re really interested in. The new hierarchy lets us give weight to the important everyday elements, while still giving you access to the deeper data when you need it.




In addition to the visual hierarchy, we’ve worked on our palette. Because of the sheer volume of data visualization we provide, we have a lot of colors to deal with, so it’s important to make our core palette as accessible as possible. We wanted to make sure that someone with protanopia (a form of colorblindness) could turn on all of the data sets on the new forecast graph and be able to interpret the information without a problem. We also want color to impart information. When it’s very cold, the current temperature is blue. When it’s hot, it’s red. That way you get information about the weather even before you’ve read the numbers. Forecast highs are red, and lows are blue, helping you pick out the information you need as quickly as possible. You’ll see little details like that throughout the site.



We’ve also changed the type to make it easier to read. For the typography fans out there, we’re using VerbTM by Yellow Design Studio. It’s a great typeface. It has way more variation between the characters than Helvetica and Arial, the type we were using in the past, which allows your brain to parse the information it sees faster (we’re dealing with a lot of information so that’s a big deal for us)! It also works better at small sizes, although on the whole, we’re trying to open up the type a bit, and make the truly important things larger, so you’ll get the info you’re looking for more quickly. Plus, we’re increasing type size and line spacing on blogs and articles, to reduce eye fatigue.



Now about the logo. Yes, we’re changing it. In fact, we’ve already done it, and we’ll be unveiling it soon. Changing it wasn’t easy. We’re all attached to the old one, but it wasn’t working for a number of reasons, as many of you suggested. To name a few, it was dated, overly complex, and most importantly, it didn’t scale well. As the web evolves and screen sizes get smaller (and bigger in some cases), we needed a logo that could adapt. The new logo is clean, vibrant, and it looks as cutting-edge as our technology is. But my absolute favorite thing about it is that it subtly nods to our data collection and, more importantly, to the incredible PWS owners who so generously share their data with the world. We’re really proud of it and we think you’ll love it, too.

I was going to end with that, but then something interesting occurred. We had some unusual weather in San Francisco yesterday. It started just after lunch. We all knew the rain was coming, of course, but we were surprised to hear thunder. That’s remarkable for our city in and of itself, and it gets everyone a little excited, but in addition to lightning, we also saw what looked a lot like snow flurries! True to form, everyone raced to the windows to check it out and watch the flakes drift past our 6th floor window. (Hours later, the meteorologists are still debating the science behind the phenomenon.)



It’s nice to know that despite getting caught up in the daily task of honing our forecasting tools and kicking out more sophisticated products, we’re still a company that can stop and enjoy the weather.

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116. WestSenNY
10:19 PM GMT on April 23, 2014
The new dashboard is nice for the weather stations, and i see you fixed the weekly report to be like the old one. Why not change the monthly and yearly to graph exact figures instead of triangles for the maximum for the days? I think most computers can handle the smaller graphing and better looking results.
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115. Product Team
11:00 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Thank you for the feedback! We've got quite a backlog of fixes, and
the dev team is plugging away trying to improve speed and
functionality. We need to prioritize, so you may not see the changes
you'd like right away, but that doesn't mean they won't be addressed.
We will continue to work with our users because we know that's the
path to making truly great products.

I want to take a moment to address any concerns about our community
tools--blogs and photos--taking a back seat to our weather tools. We
have a team dedicated solely to enhancing our blog, photo, and PWS
contributors' experience. They are actively fixing bugs, updating
code, and improving the functionality of our community tools. We see
our community as the heart and soul of Weather Underground. We value
it immensely. We know it's what makes Weather Underground special, and
will continuously work to support our community.
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114. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
8:15 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
wuproductteam has created a new entry.
113. Barefootontherocks
4:59 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Sorry, wuproduct team, I'm trying to be positive but...

Take me two clicks now instead of one to get to local radar once I am on local page.

The hourly forecasts are a mind- uh, boggle. I customized the hourly graph to add dewpoints and pressure. Dewpoint temps showed up but pressure did not. If I switch to table, I can't remember how I found it now, but the old red-green bar graph that shows temperature and dewpoint temp in a bar graph hour-by-hour is all smushed and unreadible.

The forecast page was better before you redesigned it.
...
In general, on any page...
There's obviously more on the right of the page but I cannot drag the window open to see to the right edge of the page.

There is no scroll bar across the bottom of the page.

The crawly script is an ajax googleapis jquery... etc.
...
Thanks for your work. Just the same, the old site is way more simple and straightforward for someone who needs local radar and local forecast data quickly.
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112. Barefootontherocks
4:46 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 110. fisherdude47:
Idea, can you add a means to measure the speed of a storm ?
On nexrad, if you enable storms, on the radar screen you will see arrows that estimate times, also in the table below the radar, you'll see a list of data about each storm on the radar, including speed and direction. I don't think wundermap has this capability. I rarely use it.
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111. RenoSoHill
3:43 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
The nexrad map is not working correctly this morning - choosing stations in Reno and Elko Nevada pulls up the map around Seattle> Choosing Las Vegas pulls up Pendleton OR area. Choosing Boise is correct.
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110. fisherdude47
2:11 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Idea, can you add a means to measure the speed of a storm ?
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109. RenoSoHill
5:00 AM GMT on April 08, 2014
Weather pages are much better now that the fonts are darker - will look forward to the rest of the site catching up.
Not pleased with the webcam stacking - you should be able to see the webcam connected to the PWS your looking at. Still can't choose my PWS on the beta site since I am located south of the area you are featuring.
I believe in team work - you'll bend, we'll bend - it'll work out.
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108. Barefootontherocks
4:59 AM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 94. jpotter:

This is good feedback, thank you!
You can switch between BestForecast and NWS in the settings menu at the top right corner of the header. We display the source beneath the forecast, so you can always be sure what you're getting, but another way to tell is by the number of days you're seeing in your forecast. BestForecast provides 10 days, but NWS only provides 7.
Got it. Hiding behind the grindy wheel. Thanks. Okay, I can muddle through that. Seems beta is set same as my preferences in current wu. I'll just do what I have to do for local radar access and hopefully get used to it.
Quoting 102. jpotter:


Hi, Barefootontherocks. The reason we're trying to drive feedback to the feedback form is because the feedback we receive from it is from a much broader audience. While these blog posts grant us the opportunity to respond in a more conversational setting, the feedback form allows us to get a more aggregate understanding of what our users need. It allows us to differentiate to some extend between the general public and the vocal minority, although I can say that a lot of the feedback we're getting through the feedback form is mirrored here. I assure you, both forums are valuable to us.

I want to add that voices like yours have helped us a great deal when it comes to making changes to our site. We will always strive to make improvements, and for that reason we will always need people like you who are willing to let us know what we are and aren't getting right, so we know where to focus our attention. This beta is only the beginning.

Great feedback as always! Keep it coming.
Thanks, Jennifer, for this response.
I know you have lots of visitors to this site who never see the blogs, the photos, or any of this community, just the forecast page. These visitors maybe even have their hometown bookmarked, check the forecast every morning and click on to read a newspaper or something. Or they stop in to plan travel. I was one of them for six years before the blogs took shape. Maybe these visitors will give you feedback on the colorful lines, the new icons, the new layout, etc on the forecast page. I won't because that doesn't matter to me.

Last I checked I could not enlarge the "modify comment box" by dragging the lower right corner. Maybe you're still working on that.

Creepy, crawly script is the largest problem I have now.

The smiley face made from :) on beta is a smirk. Can you do anything about that without changing the font you adore? Maybe a troupe of smileys and dancing banana in the comment box?

Thanks for listening.
(smirk)

PS. Oh. Where on the local OKlahoma forecast pages is the link to my blog?
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107. Dakster
4:18 AM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 106. Barefootontherocks:
Well, that's interesting.

Mac OSX and I get a script running initially and every time I click on a different page. Gotta stop it before I can scroll or click or do anything on the page.


That used to happen to me on the original site all the time.
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106. Barefootontherocks
4:07 AM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 105. DataPilot:
WU Developers,

I've run the "time curl" test a bunch of times from my home network. Times varied dramatically, from 1.1s up to 6.2s, with the average about 2.5s. So my time tests are significantly slower than the .6 - .9s that you predicted.

I used a Win7 box with Cygwin to do the tests, and tried it both wired and wireless (results were identical). I took all the other machines off my network, so the time tests are not being polluted by other local traffic. Of course, heaven only knows who I'm sharing the cable with. There's also the possibility of cable flakiness resulting from an ice storm we had in February. The cable was mangled in several places due to all the trees falling on it.

I think I may be doing a reasonably good job of providing you with a worst-case testing scenario. :D

One thing I noticed on this Win7 machine is that the initial page load for the beta site is indeed a bit slower than regular WU. But once the page is loaded, beta scrolls fine on Win7. That seems to support my hypothesis that the severe scrolling problem is limited to iOS. Is it possible that all the javascript calls are really inefficient on iOS (relative to Win7)?
Well, that's interesting.

Mac OSX and I get a script running initially and every time I click on a different page. Gotta stop it before I can scroll or click or do anything on the page.
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105. DataPilot
2:31 AM GMT on April 08, 2014
WU Developers,

I've run the "time curl" test a bunch of times from my home network. Times varied dramatically, from 1.1s up to 6.2s, with the average about 2.5s. So my time tests are significantly slower than the .6 - .9s that you predicted.

I used a Win7 box with Cygwin to do the tests, and tried it both wired and wireless (results were identical). I took all the other machines off my network, so the time tests are not being polluted by other local traffic. Of course, heaven only knows who I'm sharing the cable with. There's also the possibility of cable flakiness resulting from an ice storm we had in February. The cable was mangled in several places due to all the trees falling on it.

I think I may be doing a reasonably good job of providing you with a worst-case testing scenario. :D

One thing I noticed on this Win7 machine is that the initial page load for the beta site is indeed a bit slower than regular WU. But once the page is loaded, beta scrolls fine on Win7. That seems to support my hypothesis that the severe scrolling problem is limited to iOS. Is it possible that all the javascript calls are really inefficient on iOS (relative to Win7)?
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104. Dakster
10:25 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Is it helpful if I just end up repeating what has already been said? So far, by the time I find something it has already been reported and mirrors my own frustration. If I see that it is something you deem not worth fixing and it affects the way I use the website, I will surely chime in at that point.

I am not really the "silent majority" type, but I feel it could be counterproductive to you getting the bugs worked out if all I do is report again, what has already been reported.
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103. sandiquiz
9:07 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
A strange phenomenon has occurred on the IPad since you enabled 'spreading'.

My own blog stays where it was, centred on the screen under the links at the top to Dr Masters, Weather and News, but every other blog I open, including this, is skewed slightly over to the right of the screen.

When I turn the screen to landscape, from portrait, the body of the blog moves even further to the right, leaving a wide expanse of white background to the left, and the links to Dr masters etc, in isolation on the left. (My own blog stays centred and does not move!)

The comments under the blog header are centralised and not skewed over to the right.
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102. jpotter (Admin)
7:32 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Quoting 64. Barefootontherocks:


In case anyone can't find it, this feedback page is only on beta wu.

And what does that bolded part mean - maintaining a strong heirarchy between primary and secondary? Primary is radar and forecasts.* Now as defaults, we have wundermap and a forecast from who knows where. I have to shut up now because, while I can see some good things about the BETA, disregard for user values is evident.

*And Doc M's blog, of course.


Hi, Barefootontherocks. The reason we're trying to drive feedback to the feedback form is because the feedback we receive from it is from a much broader audience. While these blog posts grant us the opportunity to respond in a more conversational setting, the feedback form allows us to get a more aggregate understanding of what our users need. It allows us to differentiate to some extend between the general public and the vocal minority, although I can say that a lot of the feedback we're getting through the feedback form is mirrored here. I assure you, both forums are valuable to us.

I want to add that voices like yours have helped us a great deal when it comes to making changes to our site. We will always strive to make improvements, and for that reason we will always need people like you who are willing to let us know what we are and aren't getting right, so we know where to focus our attention. This beta is only the beginning.

Great feedback as always! Keep it coming.
101. DataPilot
7:26 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Quoting 96. jpotter:


Hi silylene. We're aware that a lot of people check our site from workplaces that aren't allowed to upgrade. We've got a contingency plan for that. We're hoping that more offices will be forced to upgrade since Microsoft will stop supporting these older systems/browsers, but for now we'll keep an option for those who can't.


I do understand why some worksites cannot upgrade to a modern version of Windows and/or browser. Been there, done that. But when people like silylene are forced to use such antiquated - and vulnerable - browser/OS versions, they should not be surfing the web on that machine at all. Period. Not even WU.

I'm probably preaching to the choir...
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100. DataPilot
7:15 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Quoting 95. jpotter:


Thanks for the feedback! We just enabled the spread feature. I just tested it on my phone and it works. Please see if it works for you. We're going to keep looking for ways to improve legibility (because you're right, the back and forth option is suboptimal), but this was a comparatively easy fix.


Yay, it works now! Thank you.
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99. sandiquiz
7:12 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Quoting 95. jpotter:



Thanks for the feedback! We just enabled the spread feature. I just tested it on my phone and it works. Please see if it works for you. We're going to keep looking for ways to improve legibility (because you're right, the back and forth option is suboptimal), but this was a comparatively easy fix.


It works - thank you, I can use my Ipad once more:)

Another issue was the mail ...but that seems to be working now.
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98. DataPilot
7:05 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Quoting 91. wuproductteam:


Hi DataPilot - thanks for your feedback - here are some answers to your questions:

1) We implemented a network upgrade over the weekend which we hope will improve speed.

2) The regular site loading hasn't changed

3) We are working hard to find ways to speed up the BETA site (this is why we have BETA!!)

Quick question for you: can you determine if initial page load is slow, or is it the javascript loading that happens once the page initially appears? If you have curl you could test initial load speed by doing
"time curl www.wunderground.com/q/SFO.html"
on a command line (say on a linux of Mac OS X box)
You should get between 0.6 and 0.9 seconds.

Thanks again!


Slowness and hangs on old WU
It could be that overall WU network slowness was what I was noticing on the old site. We'll see if it works any better at home. I'm crossing my fingers that last weekend's network upgrade resolved that problem.

Initial page load
It's not just the initial page load that's slooooow. Anything I try to do in the beta site on iOS is excruciatingly slow when I'm at home. I tried it both from Wi-Fi (2.2 Mbps download/.22 Mbps upload) and cell (1 bar, 1.1 Mbps download/.15 upload). Even after the page is loaded, scrolling or typing into the comment box takes forever.

From my work location, with 4 bars LTE (9.2 Mbps download/7.0 upload) on my iPhone, scrolling on the beta site is still slow. A finger flick will only scroll a few lines, and they just budge along. In contrast, one flick of the finger will send an entire page flying past on the old site. Our Wifi at work (26 Mbps download/31 upload) performs slightly better than LTE.

"time curl"
On my uber-uber-high-speed wired network at work (360Mbps download/867 upload), I'm consistently getting these results for "time curl":

real 0m1.263s
user 0m0.003s
sys 0m0.010s

I'm not seeing any slowness with the beta site from the fast wired network; but then again, iOS isn't a wired OS. I may be trying to compare apples and oranges.

I'll let you know what results I get on my much slower home network tonight.
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97. jpotter (Admin)
6:49 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Quoting 59. jerseycityjoan:

I don't want to be discouraging but --

I hope that the Classic Wunderground format will still available.

It is what I have used for years and I want to be able to keep using it. Frankly no matter what changes you make I will stick to Classic as long as it's available.

Thanks.

PS I am glad you are giving people a chance to respond and comment on changes before they are made permanent.





Rest assured, we currently have no plans to get rid of classic. Although, as we continue to hone the new site and add new tools and features we'll encourage classic users to make the switch.
96. jpotter (Admin)
6:44 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Quoting 76. silylene:

Since the new format doesn't work whatsoever in my old Windows 7.0 system (no choice, work won't let me upgrade), can you keep a link to the old site too?


Hi silylene. We're aware that a lot of people check our site from workplaces that aren't allowed to upgrade. We've got a contingency plan for that. We're hoping that more offices will be forced to upgrade since Microsoft will stop supporting these older systems/browsers, but for now we'll keep an option for those who can't.
95. jpotter (Admin)
6:32 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Quoting 74. DataPilot:

(After trying and failing to compose a readable comment using the beta comment box, I decided to write this one with the old version. Folks, I really, truly am trying to use the beta.)



I'd like to add on to Sandi's comment about enlarging ("spreading") text and images on IOS. When I tried to read blogs this morning on my iPhone - which I sometimes do before I even get out of bed - I discovered that the text autosizes to the width of the screen. Normally, I would use the IOS "spread" functionality to make the text larger, then scroll back and forth across the screen to read. Having to scroll horizontally while reading is suboptimal, for sure, but it's a heck of a lot better than being stuck with a font that is too small to read at all. Is there some reason why the wonderful IOS "spread" feature was disabled in the new WU?

Again, it's about keeping WU accessible to those of us who have poor eyesight.





Thanks for the feedback! We just enabled the spread feature. I just tested it on my phone and it works. Please see if it works for you. We're going to keep looking for ways to improve legibility (because you're right, the back and forth option is suboptimal), but this was a comparatively easy fix.
94. jpotter (Admin)
6:20 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Quoting 55. Barefootontherocks:

Oh, no. Not me again. Just sent you another little love note via forecast page, as follows:

I am in my home town forecast page and there is no link for nearby blogs here. Where is the link to my Oklahoma weather blog? It used to show up on forecast pages for many or most locations in OK.

What is the default forecast? I need it to be clear where the forecast is from and I want an option so I know I am getting the NWS not the blend you call "best forecast" or something out of The Weather Channel.

The "More Blogs" button under the featured blogs makes it look like the news stories are blogs. Maybe you can change the label to "Wunder Blog page" or something.

I'll probably be back after I set up a new blog in beta.

I feel like an uninvited interior decorator just redecorated my home - and not to my taste - and there's nothing I can do about it except move away. Of course it's not about me. The wu has been my home away from home since the blogs began in 2005, and I have used it to see forecasts since 1999. It is, however, your site.

I know I have written a lot here about my beta explorations. I have time and care about the site enough to do so. After I upload a couple storm pics from yesterday, using beta, and post a new blog, using beta, I may be back with further comment.

Ps. On beta, the buttons above the now default "radar wundermap" overlap for me. I don't like not having a one click large radar as I have now. Will there be a way to change the default that shows on the forecast page to local nexrad? Now my click on "nexrad" takes me to a much too complicated page for someone to view when they are stressed by being in a storm's way and in a hurry.

This is good feedback, thank you!
You can switch between BestForecast and NWS in the settings menu at the top right corner of the header. We display the source beneath the forecast, so you can always be sure what you're getting, but another way to tell is by the number of days you're seeing in your forecast. BestForecast provides 10 days, but NWS only provides 7.
93. moyerdestroyer
4:57 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Quoting 84. Daisyworld:



Thanks, I found it now... It was really buried. I'm used to having it under the main activities menu, and I got worried when it was no longer there.

Appreciate the directions.


No problem! Glad I could help.
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92. auburn (Mod)
4:52 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
I did find the Newest first button...,I guess that will be better..could you put a mail icon just below (or above) the comment box...I still like the comment box at the bottom because of long post line the one below..
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91. Product Team
4:40 PM GMT on April 07, 2014
Quoting 88. DataPilot:
The beta site is excruciatingly slow when I try to use it from my iPhone and iPad via wireless. (I can't get a decent cell signal at home, so I always use wireless when I'm here.) By "slow", I mean that it takes 5-10 times longer to scroll or do just about anything in the beta site as compared to the current site.

Also, the comment box is completely unusable due to the slowness. It takes so danged long to type anything in it - let alone edit the comment - and I finally had to give up. I can only keep trying and failing so many times before going crazy.

Can anyone fix or at least explain what's going on? Am I doing something wrong?

The problem occurs on my iPad 2 and iPhone 5. Both are running the most current version if iOS 7 and Chrome. I've also tried it with Safari, but it's not working any better.

The problem is NOT occurring on my Windows 7 machines, not even when I use the same wireless network as I use with the iOS devices. My Windows machines are both running Firefox with NoScript, a browser plugin that blocks scripts and other unwanted processes from running unless I give them permission to run.
(Edit: I'm on my husband's old PC now, and NoScript says that it has recently blocked some sort of script from weather.com. I wonder if that is the problem-child process?)

WU developers, are you running some kind of background process behind the beta site? If so, can you please tell me how to get rid of it so that I can use your site? I've been noticing hangs and slowness in the regular site as well for the last couple of weeks, which leads me to think that a background process is causing problems there as well. It's annoying on the regular site, but crippling on the beta.

Please, pretty please, help me out?

One more addition: This is only happening on NuWU. Other websites, even those that eat a lot of RAM, CPU and bandwidth are not affected. I've also determined that it's not a caching issue.

Maybe I should fire up my packet sniffer and see what the heck you folks are doing...


Hi DataPilot - thanks for your feedback - here are some answers to your questions:

1) We implemented a network upgrade over the weekend which we hope will improve speed.

2) The regular site loading hasn't changed

3) We are working hard to find ways to speed up the BETA site (this is why we have BETA!!)

Quick question for you: can you determine if initial page load is slow, or is it the javascript loading that happens once the page initially appears? If you have curl you could test initial load speed by doing
"time curl www.wunderground.com/q/SFO.html"
on a command line (say on a linux of Mac OS X box)
You should get between 0.6 and 0.9 seconds.

Thanks again!
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90. silylene
11:26 PM GMT on April 05, 2014
Quoting 79. auburn:
Since the new format doesn't work whatsoever in my old Windows 7.0 system (no choice, work won't let me upgrade), can you keep a link to the old site too?



I am still running window XP..and it looks and works fine.


Sorry, it's awful - characters all over the place, graphs overlapping, etc on my antique Windows 7.0.

And I cannot upgrade, as this is my company's computer and only the admins can push upgrades through.

I will keep the link to the old site.

By the way, it works fine on my home computer, Windows 8 with all the upgrades.
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89. Thoughtsteader
8:40 PM GMT on April 05, 2014
In the Beta, my inbox shows several WUmails as received, but when I click on the subject line to read the WUmail, nothing appears.

I sent myself a WU mail just to see if its text would appear, and it did. But now, I can't delete it.
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88. DataPilot
7:31 PM GMT on April 05, 2014
The beta site is excruciatingly slow when I try to use it from my iPhone and iPad via wireless. (I can't get a decent cell signal at home, so I always use wireless when I'm here.) By "slow", I mean that it takes 5-10 times longer to scroll or do just about anything in the beta site as compared to the current site.

Also, the comment box is completely unusable due to the slowness. It takes so danged long to type anything in it - let alone edit the comment - and I finally had to give up. I can only keep trying and failing so many times before going crazy.

Can anyone fix or at least explain what's going on? Am I doing something wrong?

The problem occurs on my iPad 2 and iPhone 5. Both are running the most current version if iOS 7 and Chrome. I've also tried it with Safari, but it's not working any better.

The problem is NOT occurring on my Windows 7 machines, not even when I use the same wireless network as I use with the iOS devices. My Windows machines are both running Firefox with NoScript, a browser plugin that blocks scripts and other unwanted processes from running unless I give them permission to run.
(Edit: I'm on my husband's old PC now, and NoScript says that it has recently blocked some sort of script from weather.com. I wonder if that is the problem-child process?)

WU developers, are you running some kind of background process behind the beta site? If so, can you please tell me how to get rid of it so that I can use your site? I've been noticing hangs and slowness in the regular site as well for the last couple of weeks, which leads me to think that a background process is causing problems there as well. It's annoying on the regular site, but crippling on the beta.

Please, pretty please, help me out?

One more addition: This is only happening on NuWU. Other websites, even those that eat a lot of RAM, CPU and bandwidth are not affected. I've also determined that it's not a caching issue.

Maybe I should fire up my packet sniffer and see what the heck you folks are doing...
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87. sandiquiz
6:21 AM GMT on April 05, 2014

Also, for those who haven't found it... If you're modifying one of your own comments, you can get more than two lines of text by expanding the comment box. "Pull" the lower right corner down, and you can resize it.


This may work on a PC but not on a tablet...and with the ability to be able to 'spread' to enlarge the page, disabled, the two lines of text that you have to scroll up and down to find what you need is just an irritant, on top of other irritants.

I thought it was the whole site that had been locked into 'screen size' on an iPad, but no.....if I click on the 'Community Standards Policy' at the top of this comment box I can enlarge it to my hearts content!!
After being a member for over ten years, I believe I know the rules, and the policy, so don't need to be able to read it.....but would love to be able to read the latest news, the weather and the blogs, and without the "expand" function, I really can't.
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86. Angela Fritz , Atmospheric Scientist (Admin)
5:10 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
Quoting 49. Barefootontherocks:

Some script running here keeps the blog from loading quickly until I can stop the script.


We see this too -- we're trying to diagnose the problem. Thank you for the feedback!
85. Angela Fritz , Atmospheric Scientist (Admin)
5:06 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
Quoting 47. PedleyCA:

I noticed one more thing that has happened between the main site and the Beta. The main site had the user controls at the top and out in the open and now they are hidden. This is where the email indicator was. Now you have to check for email. Has there been any thought into maybe making that person icon change color when there are emails that haven't been read. Thanks in advance.


Yep, we will have the indicator if you have a new mail, just like how the "Mail" link turns red on the old site if there are messages that you haven't seen.
84. Daisyworld
4:44 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
Quoting 61. moyerdestroyer:


It's still in the maps section in all maps


Thanks, I found it now... It was really buried. I'm used to having it under the main activities menu, and I got worried when it was no longer there.

Appreciate the directions.
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83. Tazmanian
2:12 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
Quoting 79. auburn:
Since the new format doesn't work whatsoever in my old Windows 7.0 system (no choice, work won't let me upgrade), can you keep a link to the old site too?



I am still running window XP..and it looks and works fine.



You need too upgrade two at lest window 7 soon has support for window XP is ending tusday
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82. RenoSoHill
2:08 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
Quoting 76. silylene:
Since the new format doesn't work whatsoever in my old Windows 7.0 system (no choice, work won't let me upgrade), can you keep a link to the old site too?
I am running Windows7 - works fine, as far as the beta site goes, except for photo galleries.
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81. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
1:04 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
Quoting 78. pottery:
So, once again, WU is trying to make the blog a better place for it's users.

I still use the so-called Classic blog - the old one.

And my question is this ''why are you trying to fix something that had achieved perfection?''

Whatever you do, I hope you leave the Classic site alone.
Classics live forever, you know.


I think a lot has to do with windows 8 8.1 OS I have windows 8.1 and beta works very well in that OS with IE11

they are an app base /touch screen base product which the beta seems to like

I was using win 8.0 but upgraded to win 8.1 this am to try out the beta in that ver. of windows
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80. auburn (Mod)
1:01 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
would be nice if we had some sort of notification when someone liked or posted on our blog....
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79. auburn (Mod)
1:00 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
Since the new format doesn't work whatsoever in my old Windows 7.0 system (no choice, work won't let me upgrade), can you keep a link to the old site too?



I am still running window XP..and it looks and works fine.
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78. pottery
12:57 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
So, once again, WU is trying to make the blog a better place for it's users.

I still use the so-called Classic blog - the old one.

And my question is this ''why are you trying to fix something that had achieved perfection?''

Whatever you do, I hope you leave the Classic site alone.
Classics live forever, you know.
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77. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
12:54 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
Since the new format doesn't work whatsoever in my old Windows 7.0 system (no choice, work won't let me upgrade), can you keep a link to the old site too?


Classic Weather Underground address
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76. silylene
12:44 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
Since the new format doesn't work whatsoever in my old Windows 7.0 system (no choice, work won't let me upgrade), can you keep a link to the old site too?
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75. DataPilot
12:32 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
Quoting 60. Bogon:
Thoughtsteader and Barefootontherocks complained about the position of the blog comment editor at the top of the comment list. We're all used to seeing it at the bottom. I'm used to reading comments in the order posted. That order seems more natural to me, as if people were entering comments in a handwritten logbook.

I'm thinking that the preferred position of the editor probably depends on your election of sort order. If you choose "Newest First", you'll probably like having the editor at the top. Would it be possible to make the editor's position depend on choice of sort order?


I second this!! Excellent idea, Bogon.
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74. DataPilot
12:29 AM GMT on April 05, 2014
(After trying and failing to compose a readable comment using the beta comment box, I decided to write this one with the old version. Folks, I really, truly am trying to use the beta.)

Quoting 51. sandiquiz:
Oh, my goodness, I went to modify a comment I made yesterday, to add something, and the modify box holds TWO lines!!
There were over 30 lines on the original comment and I couldn't find the bit I wanted!!
What is the use of modifying if you can't find the piece you want to modify!

And is this just me, but looking at the Beta site on an iPad ...I can't get the image to enlarge by 'spreading'.
The font is hard enough to read, but if I can't enlarge it ..i can't use it!

Hope these points help....we love WU and want to be able to use it when you have finished 'playing' with it.


I'd like to add on to Sandi's comment about enlarging ("spreading") text and images on IOS. When I tried to read blogs this morning on my iPhone - which I sometimes do before I even get out of bed - I discovered that the text autosizes to the width of the screen. Normally, I would use the IOS "spread" functionality to make the text larger, then scroll back and forth across the screen to read. Having to scroll horizontally while reading is suboptimal, for sure, but it's a heck of a lot better than being stuck with a font that is too small to read at all. Is there some reason why the wonderful IOS "spread" feature was disabled in the new WU?

Again, it's about keeping WU accessible to those of us who have poor eyesight.


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73. Product Team
11:19 PM GMT on April 04, 2014
Quoting 55. Barefootontherocks:
Oh, no. Not me again. Just sent you another little love note via forecast page, as follows:

I am in my home town forecast page and there is no link for nearby blogs here. Where is the link to my Oklahoma weather blog? It used to show up on forecast pages for many or most locations in OK.

What is the default forecast? I need it to be clear where the forecast is from and I want an option so I know I am getting the NWS not the blend you call "best forecast" or something out of The Weather Channel.

The "More Blogs" button under the featured blogs makes it look like the news stories are blogs. Maybe you can change the label to "Wunder Blog page" or something.

I'll probably be back after I set up a new blog in beta.

I feel like an uninvited interior decorator just redecorated my home - and not to my taste - and there's nothing I can do about it except move away. Of course it's not about me. The wu has been my home away from home since the blogs began in 2005, and I have used it to see forecasts since 1999. It is, however, your site.

I know I have written a lot here about my beta explorations. I have time and care about the site enough to do so. After I upload a couple storm pics from yesterday, using beta, and post a new blog, using beta, I may be back with further comment.

Ps. On beta, the buttons above the now default "radar wundermap" overlap for me. I don't like not having a one click large radar as I have now. Will there be a way to change the default that shows on the forecast page to local nexrad? Now my click on "nexrad" takes me to a much too complicated page for someone to view when they are stressed by being in a storm's way and in a hurry.


Wow - thank you so much Barefootontherocks for so much valuable feedback - we really appreciate you taking the time to send us so many detailed and constructive thoughts. What information is primary vs. secondary isn't going to be the same for every user but while we listen and encourage as much feedback as possible, at some point we have to make some decisions based on what we consider to be the consensus of opinion. Our long term goal is to keep making our products more customizable to individual needs - in the meantime we're trying extremely hard to keep everyone happy!
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72. Product Team
11:10 PM GMT on April 04, 2014
Quoting 70. Thoughtsteader:
So, I decided to give the Beta a try for posting and commenting, and I really do find this comment box at the top an irritant.

I couldn't figure out why, because many, many websites from the NYTimes to HuffPo to Breitbart all have the comment boxes at the top. BUT - what they also have is the ability to respond to specific comments as you're reading. If WU were to add a "reply" button rather than a "quote" button for each comment, it would become much easier.

Also, for those who haven't found it... If you're modifying one of your own comments, you can get more than two lines of text by expanding the comment box. "Pull" the lower right corner down, and you can resize it.

ADD: Unfortunately, expanding the box, as I just did, cuts off two or three words on the right on every line. In my broswer, only the "Can..." of Cancel and Submit shows up. There's no way to submit the modification unless you keep typing to spread the box far enough to make the "Submit" button visible. As I'm going to have to do now with these periods........................................... ...........


Thank you for the feedback Thoughtsteader
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71. Product Team
11:08 PM GMT on April 04, 2014
Quoting 67. BriarCraft:
Does anybody that remember the WU Product Team originally said they were only going to change the front page? Or that they would leave the blogs alone?

Can anybody recommend a good website for posting photos and blogs? It looks like we'll need a new home soon.


Hi BriarCraft - we're sorry for any miscommunication but it was always our intention to create a consistent experience across all of our pages - and all of our products. We've tried to make this the most transparent process possible and we're still taking on feedback from our users - especially valuable community members such as you.

We'd love to get your specific feedback if you have time to talk with us. Please send us a WU mail if you are interested.

Inviting user feedback and making iterative changes to our pages based on this feedback is a priority of ours now and moving forward so we will continue to work on optimizing the blog pages.



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70. Thoughtsteader
9:57 PM GMT on April 04, 2014
So, I decided to give the Beta a try for posting and commenting, and I really do find this comment box at the top an irritant.

I couldn't figure out why, because many, many websites from the NYTimes to HuffPo to Breitbart all have the comment boxes at the top. BUT - what they also have is the ability to respond to specific comments as you're reading. If WU were to add a "reply" button rather than a "quote" button for each comment, it would become much easier.

Also, for those who haven't found it... If you're modifying one of your own comments, you can get more than two lines of text by expanding the comment box. "Pull" the lower right corner down, and you can resize it.

ADD: Unfortunately, expanding the box, as I just did, cuts off two or three words on the right on every line. In my broswer, only the "Can..." of Cancel and Submit shows up. There's no way to submit the modification unless you keep typing to spread the box far enough to make the "Submit" button visible. As I'm going to have to do now with these periods........................................... ...........
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69. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
8:55 PM GMT on April 04, 2014
there are issues I see

well I am sure we will be in a beta test for awhile I reckon


there has been no indication if or when this goes live

and I am sure lots of concerns and issues will be fixed or made better

I have already notice more things added compared to yesterdays throw it out there approach

remember all this is just a test phase

and I am sure the final product will end up much better

lets give em some time

lots of effort and time invested I am sure they will want to get it right

like anything there is always lots of fine tuning to be done
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68. barbamz
8:41 PM GMT on April 04, 2014
Quoting 48. sandiquiz:
And I do miss the grey fine outlines that 'contain' the blogs, and the information on the right. Without them everything feels to be 'floating around'.


Exactly my feeling, Sandi, thanks for putting it into words, lol.
Moreover I miss the "Community Activity"-Window, at least I don't see it using Firefox.
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67. BriarCraft
8:29 PM GMT on April 04, 2014
Does anybody that remember the WU Product Team originally said they were only going to change the front page? Or that they would leave the blogs alone?

Can anybody recommend a good website for posting photos and blogs? It looks like we'll need a new home soon.
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66. Barefootontherocks
6:35 PM GMT on April 04, 2014
57. Skyepony (Mod)
4:29 PM GMT on April 04, 2014
"Since all that should be on the right doesn't even show up on my tablet. I'll assume it's not done."

Skye, I'm seeing stuff formerly on the right have moved. My "recommended links," are at the very bottom of the blog page now. On a laptop. Maybe on your tablet you can see the right hand stuff at the bottom? Anyway, thanks for the comeback. Take care.
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