Fight the Amoral Fight

Hi, Briar!
That fits right in, thanks!
I like your new blog :)

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Just spent the last little while trying to find pictures of the pollinators of Ophrys reinholdii, which is the goat orchid that calpoppy brought to my previous blog. Found an interesting paper on reproductive strategies for some species of flower. Did not include the Ophrys reinholdii but did mention one of its pollinators which is how I found it. Haven't finished reading the paper but, you know, cool.
Alas, I cannot find any photos of Tetralonia Cressa and I expect the female looks a lot like the flower so that's a bummer.
Erm, anyway, I'll be on my geeky way, now ...

[edit to add: did I mention that it's raining? It's raining. Been a light rain, off and on, since about 1-ish. Should continue overnight and into tomorrow. 'k. That's the weather sorted.]

Raining! Off and on, again. Supposed to rain tomorrow, too. Also, Saturday. And Sunday! That'll be five days in a row! When did that last happen? We may have had five days of rain in a month last winter, but, not in a row!
We're up to 3/4" so far :)

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What's up with that "Community Activity" box that follows me down every page? I hate it and want it to go away. Can I do that? Can I at least make the "pause" permanent? Anyone know?

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Karen - it is more like prophesy than poetry, so you get to interpret it any way you like! ;)
I saw Seal Beach on KTLA this morning. They were talking to surfers. Looked grey but not rainy so I hope you get a little and not too much. I know y'all have to worry about the waves and I guess Sunday will be the big day for that, as well as the rain. Good luck! Get pics :)
You'll have to tell us all about the Cars ride. Do I need to see the movie to enjoy it? LOL

BF - I hadn't seen that book, no. I did listen to a BBC Radio 4 show on the history of China, recently, so that may have influenced me. Usually, when I need a placeholder blog, I post something from the Tao. When I reached for it on the shelf I saw the I Ching and thought, hey, that could be fun for a change. So to speak.

One cannot have a beer with Jesus. He would turn it into wine 3.(
Pretty sure that whole song is blasphemous, but, you know, that don't bother me none ;)

You had a Stan Getz vid in your blog a short while ago and I went to youtube to listen to the whole thing. Really nice. I generally don't like jazz but Getz, in all his permutations, sends me.

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Look at that. It's dinner time already. And here I am, not at fulfilled in that regard.

Here: have a cool science post about frogfish mimicry (watch the videos :)).
seewu!

Hi! Still raining! A bit, anyway. 1.28" total, so far, down on the flat. Nobody will complain about that.

gg - sneaky sharks? snapping meadowlarks? No, I don't know why that popped into my head. I think the "swallowed" part of your comment, lol
I just hope to be funny at least 80% of the time, and that folks will forgive the other 20% where I miss the mark.
Speaking of tools ... I need a drill. Trip to hardware store in my near future. Can I pick anything up for you, while I'm there? ;)

WTS - yeah, we've got the tail end of the storms and they've not gotten much farther south or east of here. Sorry! I think you're right that Karen got a little. Maybe tomorrow will be your day. I still think it bodes well - it's way early in the season, yet.

LC - I see you lurking ;) Sorry you're missing the weather here but, from your blog notes, it sounds lovely where you are. Manatee! Can't see that in the L.A. River!
Hope you are well and will be happily home soon :)

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Now "pause" does work on the "Community Activity" box. That's good! I found it distracting. Box still follows me down the page. "Community Activity" is now the last item in the "Blogs" dropdown menu instead of "My Favorite Blogs" so I keep clicking it instead of that ... oh, life is so hard. lol

Ok, well. Nothing to say really. I've been shopping online today and am going stir crazy so about to head out into the grey. Just thought I'd say "Hi" to wu :)

This seemed fitting for Briar's blog but I don't know if it will embed properly so I'll try it here, instead:

... Oh, nevermind. Not working.
Here's a link to the Daily Show bit on the annual War on Christmas.

... I'll be back ...

[ETA: no, I won't be back for hours :( Things happening, lol]

Best laid plans …
I really need to get over the magical mindset that has me thinking that I have time to sit down and visit everyone here at once like I used to do. That was a long time ago! Instead, I need to go with the flow. I'll work on it because I miss wu.

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Karen -

Quoting SBKaren:

I also use the favorite blogs link and noticed, after choosing the last option a few times, and not getting my favorite blogs, that is changed.

Thank you for letting me know I'm not the only one! I'm still doing it but I guess I'll get used to it soon.
Are you going to do a Disneyland blog for your recent trip? I saw your previous blog has been deleted – no more gazing at rhinos and palms for me, lol
I've been on Hwy 66 plenty, and one short stretch recently. I think “Cars” was on HBO but I missed it. Going to work on getting a certain friend of mine to make the trip to Disneyland in February. Not holding my breath – it's a yearly effort, LOL

bf - I think parents with eclectic taste are the best kind of parents to have, whatever other traits they may have. Sure makes adulthood more lively!
Hey, are you here yet?!?! I think I remember reading that you were coming to Cali today … but, I don't remember if you said SoCal or how long you'd be here or anything. Not that it's any of my bidnez, but, I'd wave in your general direction if you're close by :) Enjoy!
Oh, if I thought you believed in blasphemy, I probably would not have mentioned it, LOL

LC - the pictures of the manatee are fantastic! Thanks for posting them to WU (that's a hint, wufriends, to go check them out!). And that is one lucky kid :)
The weather here is all ho-hummy now. Sunny, warm, a bit breezy. I wonder if you will appreciate being dry or miss the daily showers when you return.

WTS - I'm feeling guilty for bragging about the rain, now, LOL Oh, well. And it would be better if the storms hadn't been so warm. I don't know how much snow fell in the Sierra, do you?
We ended up with 1.83” which some are complaining is not enough, especially for five days worth, but, hey, I'll take it.

calpoppy - I read some of the articles that are collected in that book as they came out but haven't yet brought myself to read it. I did watch a panel broadcast by cspan with Hitchens' wife, a good friend, and his publisher. A year on, it's still hard to listen to them talk about him. Their pain is palpable.

A bad yarn store? Yikes! Good thing you've got a good one nearby! I told my sis about two yarn stores in Redlands and she said she'd check them out. She's not a crafter of any sort, really, but has friends who are knitters/crocheters and who give the one store high marks. I may make a special trip out there just to see ;)
Hey, don't you owe us a scarf picture? Karen didn't post hers, either. Y'all are slackin', LOL
I'm making a shawl-ish sort of thing that may get photo'd and into the blog. I think it might be kind of nice when it's done.

Festive Ylee - you may be right about that, and maybe “smoothness” is akin to “ease” or something. Definitely something worth striving for, in any case :)
Your current round of cams are great and working smoothly!

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Gonna do a link dump, next comment. Fair warning ;)
Well, after dinner ...

I've kind of lost track of what I've posted in the last few weeks and what I haven't. I keep a list, you see, of things I'd like to share with you. Well, I'll keep it to just a few, and mostly recent, then ...

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One of my favorite youtubers, eliZZZa13, is doing crochet advent calendar tutorials – a different pattern or motif for each day, though I don't see them actually being used as an advent calendar. Most of her vids are uploaded in both German and English … but, some are German only. So, look for her user name and "advent" on youtube if you'd like to see. Her knit stitch tutorials are awesome.

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A woman in Rotterdam has knitted over 500 sweaters since 1955 and stored them in her house. Nobody ever wore them! So, her neighbors threw her a parade :)
[swiped from knittyblog.com]

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There is an article in the Houston Press about the Texas Freethought Convention held this Fall. I found that at AronRa's blog, “The Ace of Clades” (at freethoughtblogs.com), where he takes issue with a couple of the reporter's notes about him, lol. Anyway, it is a long piece but goes through some of the history of Freethought in Texas, which was cool to read about.

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Various sources have reported on the flagrant disregard of U. S. tax law by certain 501(c)(3) organizations during the last (and past) election cycle. It isn't right because other 501(c)(3) organizations would definitely lose their tax exemptions if they behaved in the same manner. That is, certain groups are getting not just special but extra special treatment by a government entity. That is not supposed to happen.
The FFRF, which has standing because it is a 501(c)(3), is suing the IRS. How do you suppose that will go? LOL
If you are interested, I originally found that info a few weeks ago at
https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/11/ 13/u-s-tax-authorities-ignore-illegal-political-ac tivities-by-churches/
and there's much more that has been written in the weeks since the election - google it, if you like.

Yep, pet peeve of mine. Buying huge commercial properties and collecting rent and other investment dividends and not paying taxes, even property taxes, just isn't right. Billions of dollars of not right.
They don't spend those billions on charity, you know.

I might note that my uncle (who is a retired pastor who still preaches most Sundays) had someone walk out on him several months ago when he was preaching progressive politics from the pulpit. He never did that when he had his own congregation, but, what are they going to do now? Fire him? LOL

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Kitteh is doing very well. He likes to stretch out on the sofa. He likes me to stay there with him to snuggle. That means I've watched more TV in the past week than in the previous couple of months, lol. The things we do for pets!
Still, I'm pleased with his progress and feel that he is happy being indoors. Who knew? :)

Uh, I think I'm done, now. Ate dinner, will post this comment, then I'm going to listen to Elon Musk talk about energy, or something, while I knit. I am bound and determined to finish the sweater before a full year passes!

Ylee - I did the same thing with the Musk vid. That is, I downloaded the audio since the video was stuttering and the video download would have taken something like 5 hours. What did you think of the talk? I think he isn't a great public speaker but he has a lot to say that is worth a listen.

Hmmm. You ain't never seen my kitchen after I make pancakes, LOL
I tell you what, though: I experienced amazing smoothness on Saturday while checking things off a “to do” list that I thought was going to be frustrating and difficult. Since I thought that, I just relaxed and accepted that reality, and I do believe that helped it all go so well. Nice when that happens :)

calpoppy - there are many “charity” organizations that don't deserve the moniker, let alone the tax breaks. When They talk about reforming the tax code it would be nice if They looked into that. Ha. Ha.
Yup, GC doesn't even show an interest in the outdoors at this point. I keep thinking the novelty will wear off and he'll start trying to get out but, so far, he won't even go near the windows and doors, even if I call him over. I think he's afraid he might get sucked out and not be able to get back in, LOL

Briar - while my sweater is not appropriate for Ugly Christmas Sweater Day(s), it is almost done. Sort of. A couple more rows on the sleeves, then the shaping which should go quickly, and then I can seam. Joy.
I'm really enjoying your un-holiday blog and all the comments there!

Thanks for your encouragement about the cat :) It has taken a long time to get here but he's worth it. You're right that cats are stubborn and, let's face it, not too bright, so helping them change their minds about the world takes longer than with, say, dogs. And some never come around, sadly.
I have to admit, though, that Ylee has the way of it ;)

gg - LOL! I know it seems unlikely these days but places like Texas and Kansas and Oklahoma were the bastions of Freethought in the U. S. in their early days. Something went terribly wrong in recent decades. Maybe it was the dust bowl experiences … or maybe that drove out the Freethinkers and left only those who could not change. I don't know. There is a book called “What's the Matter With Kansas” and a documentary of the same name that considers why people in that state so often vote in lockstep and against their own best interests. I started watching the movie just last week but haven't finished.
Anyway, Austin has maintained the tradition in Texas and there are large and growing groups in Dallas and Houston. Texas can be saved! ;)

LC - oh, I bet it's a shock to the system! Poor you. You're right about the “mad greening”, though, and it is a wonder to behold.
The manatee is way cool and one of the pics has the kid with a look of pure joy and wonder on his face. Classic.
Welcome home! :)

WTS - Total bust! No zombies, no winds and, thankfully, no fires! It does seem that you'll be missed again and we'll get some rain out of the next system. Maybe snow on the mountains and that would be nice. Good luck getting some - it could happen!
Glad you liked the vid and, yes, cats are awesome … even when they are annoying ;)

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Found a use for the stupid wandering box over there ---->
when I saw the other day that 27windows is back on wu. I never would have known since I rarely see the entire blog list.

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Today's apod is a different look at a lunar eclipse. Beautiful!

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I think I have previously mentioned the Jewish community in New York that makes it own laws outside of U. S. or State laws. There is an article about a trial in a sex abuse case in the NYTimes which highlights how that community thinks and acts. I read about this at butterfliesandwheels, here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/ 2012/12/pimping-its-girls/
where Ms. Benson provides her own perspective and useful commentary on the case and the article itself. She also provides two links to more in-depth articles, the most interesting is probably the one from The Jewish Week. Seems these communities have their own version of the Mutaween. Lovely.

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For writers, or aspiring writers, John Scalzi talks about writing for free. He's a little ticked and there is a swear word used (often), so, nsfw, I guess. He followed that up with another post today (which you'll have to find yourself because the word is front and center and large, lol). I wonder about this, so found it interesting and useful, and it really applies to all who make their living (or wish to) doing creative work.

Heh. I just scanned a few of the comments and found this quote:
“Writers, actors, and prostitutes all face the same fundamental economic problem: they are competing with amateurs who are pretty good and will work for nothing.” Moss Hart
And a knitter chimes in, too, LOL

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Couple of weeks ago a Scientific American writer took Time Magazine to task for their nomination of the Higgs Boson for “Person of the Year”. He asserts that every sentence of the nomination blurb is in error and elucidates each. Funny, and tragic.

Oh, I see an interesting article on how people judge Southern accents there, too.

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Okay, wowza, did it again. Just kept adding stuff and need to get on with things.
I need a keeper, LOL

Happy Week, WU!

Did everyone note what they were doing at 12:12:12 on 12-12-12? Yeah, me neither. I think I was playing with the cat.

Briar - it's interesting that folks like computer programmers run into a similar problem. They are told that working for free will add to their resume or whatever but professionals get paid, by definition. I know accountants who've taken on jobs for no or very low pay in the hopes it would lead to full employment but the employer only had temporary work and once that's done (for free) there is no job. Kind of sick, really, and indicative of how we in the U.S. have come to view work and workers.
Maybe we are all ding-a-lings ;)

calpoppy - ah, beautiful! I really like the way the homespun worked up - the color and texture is great! The lavender color is very nice! THanks for sharing your pics! Finally ;)

Have you learned how to purl, yet? Lots of (free!*) scarflet patterns and cowls and stuff (using smaller amounts of yarn) on ravelry.

* Yes, I do see the irony, but it's the designers' choice :)

LC - too vitriolic? For my blog? Dude, I saw your comment last night and immediately copied it to my computer in case you had second thoughts and removed it!
Thanks very much for sharing your insight from the lion's den. As it were.

I know I have seen that movie title somewhere but don't think I've watched it ... now I will!

Mr. Deity did a video on the Christianity as philosophy thing. Pretty funny but maybe not for someone not familiar with the series and the premise of same.

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The Hasidic "counselor" mentioned above was convicted on 59 counts. Additionally, charges have been brought against members of the "morality police" related to tampering, contempt, and intimidation of witnesses. Quite a coup for the DA and major progress for the community.

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Also at the NYTimes is an article about religion in government that is worth the few minutes it takes to read it, and includes the story of the cadet who left West Point over religious discrimination.

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Which reminds me that I did not post a "GO NAVY BEAT ARMY" note last weekend. But, it didn't matter. Navy beat Army for the tenth straight time.
It's the goat that makes it happen, you know ;)

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Hey. Rain! Not yet but soon. It's definitely on the radar. Hopefully I can finish today's outdoors activity before it gets here. Well, I won't if I don't get back to it, will I?
seewu!

[eta: If you check the time that this comment (#32) was posted, you can see that it should have been the last of the four comments. Instead, it is first. All I wanted to post was what's in what is now comment #33. *sigh* again ;)]

Okay, look. I've got things to do. Things, I tell you. So, forgive me if there are three comments from me (besides this one) as the first did not post and I thought I clicked incorrectly so posted it again and then it still didn't post so I composed another comment to see if it would post and it did not so now I'm writing this one to see if it posts and if they all eventually show up, well, I'll look pretty stupid, but, I can't hang around to see if they do. Things, says I.
*sigh*

Oh! Hey, bf! That skyline looks familiar, even with the clouds ;) Thank you! Hope you're having fun! Love the depth in that photo ... just went to rate that and ... DID YOU TAKE A TRAIN?!?! Manomanoman I am intensely jealous!

I wonder if I could take a train to Disneyland ... LOL

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Rain at .22" and holding. Chilly, breezy, sunny, blahblahblah.

Reading about stuff less interesting today so no links to post, really.

Well, let's see ... for those lamenting the loss of writing skills through txt, Time magazine says the first use of OMG was in 1917, although it's clearly meant as a joke.

Also a joke is the way commenters reacted to another article at the Time site about their online poll for Person of the Year. If you want to maintain hope for the future of mankind, do not read those.

It's Friday. I should go now ...

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[eta: should have been comment #34. Weird.]

"Comments will take a few seconds to appear. "

Hmmm... it's taking a lot longer than that. So, I'm testing ... one ...

[eta2: as long as I'm here I'm going to try posting this trailer for a movie about zombies at the Large Hadron Collider ... nevermind, just click the link, and yes I do know about Rob's wondrous script :)]

Wow. I wrote "It's Friday" yesterday. In fact, I thought it was Friday all day and into the night. Still a little muddled on that. Friday now, right? Weird.

WTS - I sympathize with the date/day thing.
Obviously, LOL!

Glad you finally got your rain! And, yeah, more to come, so They say. Could be we're going to have winter this year ;)

calpoppy - sure, and hope you find something there. Well, I know you'll find something there. I don't remember how I ended up on ravelry this morning but boy do I wish I hadn't. What a time sink! No wonder I can't keep track of the days, lol

gg - ah, Texas.
That seems a serious conflict of ideological interest there. I hope someone is watching him!
I don't get that, though. The math doesn't work. It's not like keeping people off unemployment will make anyone any money in the private sector. It's not either/or. It's not zero sum. It's just mean and hateful, really.

Karen - oh, how cute! And nice work, too! Shapes like that are hard to do and you picked the colors well :)

Did you happen to report on the king tide anywhere on wu? I was wondering how Seal Beach handled it as the news I saw was a bit south of you, I think.

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I think I'm going to go back to work or maybe go back to ravelry for the rest of the day. I've been reading the news out of Connecticut updating on a separate tab and I can't take any more.

Hello! I'll be back later or tomorrow.

I swiped this list from a comment thread at WEIT:

2012 roll:
February 22, 2012—Five people were killed in at a Korean health spa in Norcross, Georgia, when a man got into an argument and opened fire inside the facility.
February 26, 2012—Multiple gunmen began firing into a nightclub crown in Jackson, Tennessee, killing one person and injuring 20 others.
February 27, 2012—Three students at Chardon High School in rural Ohio were killed when a classmate opened fire.
March 8, 2012—Two people were killed and seven wounded at a psychiatric hospital in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, when a gunman entered the hospital with two semiautomatic handguns and began firing.
March 31, 2012—A gunman opened fire on a crowd of mourners at a North Miami, Florida, funeral home, killing two people and injuring 12 others.
April 2, 2012—A 43-year-old former student at Oikos University in Oakland, California, walked into his former school and killed seven people, “execution-style.” Three people were wounded.
April 6, 2012—Two men went on a deadly shooting spree in Tulsa, Oklahoma, shooting black men at random in an apparently racially motivated attack. Three men died and two were wounded.
May 29, 2012—A man in Seattle, Washington, opened fire in a coffee shop and killed five people and then himself.
July 9, 2012—At a soccer tournament in Wilmington, Delaware, three people were killed, including a 16-year-old player and the event organizer, when multiple gunmen began firing shots, apparently targeting the organizer.
July 20, 2012—James Holmes enters a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises and opens fire with a semi-automatic weapon; twelve people are killed and fifty-eight are wounded.
August 5, 2012—A white supremacist and former Army veteran shot six people to death inside a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee, Wisconsin, before killing himself.
August 14, 2012—Three people were killed at Texas A&M University when a 35-year-old man went on a shooting rampage; one of the dead was a police officer.
September 27, 2012—A 36-year-old man who had just been laid off from Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, Minnesota, entered his former workplace and shot five people to death, and wounded three others before killing himself.
October 21, 2012—45-year-old Radcliffe Frankin Haughton shot three women to death, including his wife, Zina Haughton, and injured four others at a spa in Brookfield, Wisconsin, before killing himself.
December 11, 2012—A 22-year-old began shooting at random at a mall near Portland, Oregon, killing two people and then himself.
December 14, 2012—One man murders a reported twenty-six people at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, including twenty children, before killing himself.

Distracted by a new phone. Finally. Looky me, commenting from a tiny little gadget. Painful. But I can check weather from anywhere and that's worth it ... right? Right?

Karen – it's amazing how an event so far away can hit so close to home.
I went quickly through your blog to see the Disneyland pics and I'm glad you had your beautiful boys (in their awesome hats!) to take your mind off it all for awhile.
Thanks for sharing those photos – it's truly a wonderful place this time of year :)

Briar – that theocracywatch site is a terrific resource. They keep tabs on what's happening now as well as the history. Thanks for bringing that by.
You're right that the establishment clause prevents government from interfering in church business. How would any religious believer like for Congress or the President to tell them how to worship? Well, some think they would like that … as long as it didn't apply to them so much as to others.
From that it becomes obvious that the establishment clause works both ways. No matter how large or powerful or persuasive a given religious organization becomes, they cannot use government to impose their will on the rest of society. In theory, anyway. That's what Jefferson was addressing in the letter that first uses the phrase “wall of separation between church and state”, where a majority of townspeople in Dansbury, CT were of one Protestant religion and used their numbers to elect government officials that used their authority to oppress members of another Protestant religion, based on religious precepts rather than law. Jefferson set them straight.
Either we are all free or none are free. Because it always comes back around.

calpoppy – you are correct! Thanks for bringing it, though. Man, that's … hmph. As has been said by many recently (perhaps in the comments on that article, even), I think I'm reaching the point of outrage fatigue. And I have a pretty high tolerance for outrage!

WTS – LOL at the levitating cat! And the goat wins for festive cuteness :) Thanks for both – I needed that!

I know, we're all bummed out. That list hit me because I think that I pay attention to these things but, really, I am as guilty as anyone of forgetting. Maybe this is the one that we all remember and the one that pushes us to work on solutions before it happens again. Or, maybe it'll be the next one, or the one after that. Yeah. Bummed out.

Yep, Droid, complete with annoying robot voice which intoned “DROID” when it was first turned on. That was immediately disabled. First things first, I always say.
I don't think I'll be checking blogs with it too often (aging eyes and tiny fonts do not go well together) but it could come in handy. Definitely like that I can check weather and traffic from anywhere.
It seems like so many apps are for iphone and ipad only and that is frustrating. But then I hear that a lot of web content is not available on an iphone. Guess it's a choice and choices are good … but “both” would be better, lol

I'm glad you've had so much rain! Our hills are almost February-green after the inch+ we've had this month :) It does feel like a real winter has arrived ...

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Weather: it rained another quarter inch overnight! It was a pretty steady moderate rain. Today it eventually cleared up, sun came out, and the wind began (wind advisory today for N or NE winds) and it had/has quite a bite to it. Brrr.
Wandered past the tv on my way to cookies and milk and see that a tree fell in LA from the wind and that it is especially cold and windy up in the Antelope Valley. Well, maybe calpoppy will be happy with that ;)
Um, I think we got a tenth of an inch sometime between now and the last time I mentioned rain. Yeah … the real Friday, I think it was. Then it cleared at night and I stood under rain-washed skies hoping to catch a straggling Geminid. No such luck but wow it was nice out that night. I was even able to see part of Orion's bow and Aldebaran looked very red with Jupiter so near by.
Tonight I barely looked up as I hustled to and from the car a few times. Did I mention “Brrr”? Even though it was still 54 degrees! Stoopid wind.

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Had to leave the country to find fun the last few days, though these are older than that:
Brian Cox is a British physicist and tv personality and rock musician (no, really) and about a week ago he tweeted:
Brian Cox ‏@ProfBrianCox
If anybody else asks me about End of the World, Nibru or photon belts I will slap their nobber cheeks until they're redder than Betelgeuse
… followed by:
In fact I declare 22nd December 'international slap a pseudoscientific hippy with a text book day.'

See, twitter isn't all bad ;)

Another UKer, Dara O'Briain (who is a comedian but I think he has a degree in physics or maths or something smart), hosted a BBC series called “Science Club with Dara O'Briain” and it is so not American popular science that I could watch it over and over again. They do come to America and even to Texas! For science! Not mockery! (sorry) Anyway, currently available in dribs and drabs from BBC channel on youtube but also the whole of episodes 1-5 are up at the moment from different youtubers, rather unusually, so get 'em while you can if'n you want 'em.

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Cookies et, milk drinked, and I think I've rambled enough for one night. Cheers, WU :)