Fight the Amoral Fight

Thirds
Posted by: sp34n119w, 8:14 PM GMT on October 23, 2012 +1
So, in the last presidential election, I wrote a lot about third party candidates. I made no secret of the fact that I would vote for Nader/Gonzales that year, and I did. Nader isn't running this time around but I still have choices.

I have no illusions regarding the possibility of a third party candidate winning the Presidency. That will not happen. The idea is to change the current, dysfunctional, system that leaves so many of us without representation.

So, another reason to vote third party is simply to voice one's own personal views on the issues of the day, especially those which are not being properly addressed by the two major parties. The two parties are, if you have not noticed, virtually identical in every way – if not in their official platforms, then definitely in their actions. By voting for someone else, someone outside of the machine, one can send the message that there are citizens who are paying attention to that fact.

I realize that the media portrays third party voters in a very different light (if they mention us at all!). Third party voters and their candidates are … what? Immature, irresponsible, silly, unrealistic, spoilers, and really ought to be ignored except when some comic relief is needed. Well, that's what happens to those who buck the status quo, so, that's okay.

While third party candidates have no shot at the Presidency, they do sometimes have a chance to win races at the local and State level, and even House and Senate contests. These are important, too, as was noted in the comments of the last blog here and, particularly, in the video that calpoppy brought about ALEC and their work in State legislatures. It's also important because every win at these levels lends strength to that party and legitimacy to the whole idea of Thirds.

The Thirds are more likely to address the issues that affect the average citizen day-to-day, and they are willing and able to talk about real problems and real solutions because, frankly, they've got nothing to lose by doing so. Now, they don't agree on what the solutions are, obviously, but at least they are often willing to consider working on them.
Even if they don't get elected, by raising these issues they can bring them into the public consciousness and, sometimes, force those who are elected to face those issues, themselves.

The current voting system supports a two-party political system. It is bound to push all candidates towards one or another extreme position as they compete for the same voters. Right now, all candidates skew far Right but, 50-70 years ago, all candidates skewed Left (read Nixon's positions on just about everything and shudder at the realization that Obama is far Right of that). We can get a pretty good balance going for awhile, so that it looks like a real choice, but it will always swing again. These swings necessarily disenfranchise large blocks of citizens.
We can talk more about this in the comments. In the meantime, have a look at RangeVoting.org and see what you think about that voting system.

Nationally, the largest thirds are Libertarian, Constitution, and Green. Each of them have fielded candidates for President and each has had some success at local and State levels over the years. They don't get a lot of attention.

As of 2008, here in California (the media's poster child for Liberalism), the Constitution Party had more than twice the membership of the Green Party. Add in the Libertarians and it becomes clear why we so often elect Republican Governors and House Reps. Californians are quite conservative, politically, but very divided in that conservatism. What about your State?

More references:
Wikipedia's entry on U.S. Political parties.
The census bureau's copious election and affiliation statistics.

I expect some randomness to creep (or barge) into the comments (as usual and much appreciated) but feel free to discuss the OP or your own political topics, too. I'd be happy to hear about State races and about any interesting referendums or propositions, if you've got something to say and need a place to say it. Probably I'll say my piece about one or more propositions on the Cali ballot, myself.
It's almost over, friends!

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For the bigger picture, have a look at the NE Pac WVloop.

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51. WatchinTheSky 5:14 PM GMT on November 15, 2012    
Tomato juice for cats is like cranberry juice for (female?) people. Helps to keep the system acidic so reducing crystal growth. Not sure I noticed the 'mellow' effect :) our kitty was generally pretty mellow with or without the juice! Our cat would jump into the dryer when just opened and full of warm clean clothes. Definitely in the DNA :) They like to 'help'.
Cloud plume from the south looks pretty impressive, our chances for rain seem slim, but change day to day.
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52. sp34n119w 2:03 AM GMT on November 18, 2012    
Nothing to say ... just cannot lose this ...

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53. calpoppy 8:48 PM GMT on November 18, 2012    
Now that is one cute little guy!!!

I hope you aren't to tired of goats. But here is one that takes not to much care and you can keep in the house.



It is the goat orchid!
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54. sp34n119w 10:47 PM GMT on November 19, 2012    
ftr, the baby hedgehog pic cam to me via Stephen Fry and twitter. There was a second with the critter curled up in a tight little ball in the palm of a hand. Painfully cute.

Ylee - I have to admit that, while I don't share my current Republican representative's ideology, he has brought a lot of money - and jobs - into the area that translated to real improvements. So, if you do get some 'pork', I hope it's useful!

WTS - that makes sense (the juice, that is). The cat has been on prescription food since his incident and seems to be doing well enough, despite my constant worrying. I gave a different juice to my dog in her last couple of years in the hope of easing her joint pain and there was an interesting "side effect" in that she had always been a "blurper" - barfing up little bits (usually mostly water) here and there - and the juice put an end to that. She never "blurped" again! So, I am definitely not opposed to finding food remedies and will keep yours in mind! While hoping he doesn't need it.

That plume seems to have skipped you and brought us over half an inch. Nice :)

calpoppy - TIRED OF GOATS?!?! Are you insane?!
Oh, wait. Maybe that's me.

That is a beautiful flower! I'm afraid of trying to grow orchids and, if I did, I'd want it to be something extraordinary like that, for sure. Where do you think I might find one? Having killed off all but my philodendron and charlie (which actually has orchid-like little flowers), it may be time to try something new! But, it should be as forgiving as a philodendron or charlie, LOL

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Weather ... well, I've already said about the rain received. Haven't checked the discussion today but things look quite pleasant for the week, especially Turkey Day. I have spent many Thanksgivings with windows wide open trying to cool the house while the oven was in constant use. Don't think it'll be anywhere near that warm (and I'll be in Beaumont, and with a/c if necessary, anyway) but it should be shirtsleeves temps all around SoCal. Happy happy joy joy :)

I am curious about what I see on the vapor sat up there. The mottled swirly west of the northwest is ominous, as that appearance usually means cold, bitter cold, is coming with it. Anyone check the models? Is it going to slide?

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While I haven't been posting much I have been collecting links for a dump. Some are just fun or silly. Some are cool science-y things. A whole slew of them are on the death of Savita Halappanavar and the relevant info for the U.S. Can't quite bring myself to post about that.
Well, we'll see about the link dump later. Right now I must do more Monday things.

see wu :)


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55. WatchinTheSky 11:15 PM GMT on November 19, 2012    
Hi sp, we never had a problem since starting the 'juice', actually it was V8 and part of my breakfast anyway, so no additional work :)
Plume totally skipped, heard it rained most of Saturday in LA, .5" for you - very nice!
Savita - grrr, don't get me started!!!! Maybe there is no hope for 'us'...
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56. Ylee 12:32 AM GMT on November 20, 2012    
Painfully cute? Ouch! :)
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57. GardenGrrl 3:52 PM GMT on November 21, 2012    
Empowerment; Somthing to be thankful for

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58. calpoppy 2:40 AM GMT on November 22, 2012    
Enjoy the Holiday in Beaumont!!!!



Wave hi as you may be passing somewhat close, LOL!
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59. sp34n119w 7:40 AM GMT on November 22, 2012    
Happy Thanksgiving WU!
I'm not going to get to every blog I'd like tonight so I would change my title to say that but I don't know when I'd get around to changing it back ;) So this is it!
There is always something for which to be thankful and WU is ever there as a reminder of the wonderful people that exist all around us. Thanks :)
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60. SBKaren 5:47 PM GMT on November 22, 2012    
I would like to wish you a very Happy Thanksgiving, filled with family, friends, food and gratitude for what we do have. I promise to try to live up to this quote all year long!



I'm crocheting a scarf for our Bunco Christmas scarf gift exchange this year. I'm making the pattern up. I promise to share when it's done....probably this weekend!
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61. Ylee 10:18 PM GMT on November 24, 2012    
Thirds is a good Thanksgiving blog title! :)
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62. sp34n119w 11:21 PM GMT on November 26, 2012    
On Savita, because I saw a story on CNN where they talked to her husband and ended with, “All he wants is to know the truth”, which made me angry because it is not true. What he wants is to be home with his wife, grieving the loss of their potential child, healing, and planning their next try at starting a family together. That's what he wants and that's what was stolen from him.
The truth is already known – that the Catholic hierarchy, in an effort to save their own souls (rather, to exercise and emphasize their power), insist that women die and, for reasons that escape me, have the authority to dictate medical practices to doctors. Doctors at Catholic-owned hospitals risk their jobs if they provide information (let alone standard of care) to women who are dying for lack of medical care. They risk nothing for breaking the laws that state that patients are entitled to full information and to receive the standard of care. Why is that?

Wrote a lot more but won't post it. I know most people just don't care. Religious people are allowed to torture, maim, and kill (women, children, gays, Others) because they are super special snowflakes whose feelings would be hurt if they had to behave ethically, or even civilly. We can't have that, now, can we?
Here are some links if you'd like more on the story and what it means for women unfortunate enough to have to depend on Catholic hospitals and clinics in the U. S. and around the world:
The Irish Times story now has follow-ups and such.
Dr. Jen Gunter with a brief explanation of the medical stuff.
The National Women's Law Center researched this – the fact sheet and, more enlightening, the study itself. That study is the thing to read to get the gist of the whole mess.
I have a link to a dissection of the Catholic directives (they are too long to comb through on one's own but the dissection provides some direction for anyone who wants to try) so, if anyone wants that link, wumail me.

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Be right back …
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63. sp34n119w 11:30 PM GMT on November 26, 2012    
… with a very long comment, which is what happens when I don't post for too long. Or, when I spend all day writing a comment. Or, let's be honest, when I write a comment at all!

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Ylee – well, hedgehogs have that prickly hair!
“Thirds”, lol, I piled my plate so high the first time that there wasn't room for seconds, let alone thirds :)

Karen – thanks! I hope you had a good time way up north ;)
What a neat idea for your Bunco group - look forward to seeing your scarf! I've been feeling the urge to crochet, lately. Knitting is wonderful and I like the fabric but crochet is so much faster … and there are wonderful patterns on ravelry. Actually, if I could find my hook, I'd try Tunisian crochet again. I like it and it's the new rage, with lots of tutorials for different stitches. Ever tried it?
Well, I shouldn't even be thinking about that. I've got two projects on the needles and three more in line. I am sooooo sloooooow, LOL

WTS, gg, calpoppy – thanks for the T-Day wishes! I had a lovely time at my sister's. Also, traffic was light-ish (in my direction) and my usual Starbucks was open late because the Target up the mall was set to open at 9PM that night and they were expecting big business. We got there around 6 or 6:30 I think and already there was a steady stream of coffee customers walking back and forth from the Target line. Crazy, man.
Hope you all had a wonderful day and, having peeked at your blogs, I know you did :)

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Traffic – why do people go to Vegas on Thanksgiving? It's about five hours from San Bernardino, from where the 210 meets the 15, and at that juncture traffic was at a stand-still on the 15 as far as the eye could see, and backed up onto the 210 at the ramp. I don't understand. That must near-double the time it takes to get there. It cannot be worth it. Can it?

Food – my sis makes the bestest applesauce you've ever tasted! This year it was even better because she used different apples and didn't even need any sugar. Heaven!

Shopping – I don't do Black Friday. The cost exceeds the value. My experience tells me that I can get the deal I want (or live without) without that misery. So, I figure, it is not misery for the folks who do it. They experience the crowds and general mayhem as entertainment. I'm happy to let them have that.
I did go to B&N on Saturday, though. Didn't get much as they did not have in stock three books I was looking for. They aren't old books. In fact, one was the book Masters recommended, which I think my mom would like to read. So, are book stores finally over? I love my nook but some stuff I want in hand, you know?
On the other hand (regarding sale shopping), I'm having some difficulty passing up cyber Monday deals on yarn and such, LOL

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The kitteh is doing pretty well. He is expanding his “safe zone” bit by bit, a little every day. He's eating well, but differently, preferring his canned food over crunchies. Weird, that.
The day that I wrote about him keeping me awake at night but then having a night where I actually got some sleep was followed by two more nights of loud and obnoxious yowling. That was it, though, and he bothers me not at all at night, now.
I'm not saying all is well. He still is freaked out about most everything, but he also comes out from his hidey-hole for pets and play, so, progress. Maybe he'll be a real housecat, one day, or maybe he'll be like the last feral and never calm down. Well, he's already better than she was, in many ways – I can put two hands on him, for one thing, and even pick him up if I time it right.
He handled being alone all day on T-Day fine and hasn't really destroyed anything (yet). In fact, if it weren't for the litter box in the bathroom, all would be purrfect. No, not purrfect. That's the bright-sider in me speaking, lol. But, I have hope :)

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Really do have an idea for a new blog. Really will try to get it up sooooon. So, don't feel obligated to leave a comment but feel free to do so :)
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64. calpoppy 12:22 AM GMT on November 27, 2012    
So what is the difference of Sharia law and the Catholic church? Not much when it comes to women's rights.

Rush's show after the elections, the Republicans should have given out free birth control pills and had free abortion clinics and they would have had the women's vote. I can't think of all the bad words I have for that type of thinking!!!!! But we know Rush has never evolved past an amoeba.

Since the 15 freeway does effect me if I want to travel down the hill, I too think it is CRAZY to go to Vegas or go out to the desert with all your 4 wheel stuff on Thanksgiving weekend, when a couple of million of your closest So Cal friends are going to the same place! If it had snowed then 3 million close friends would have been up at Mountain High Ski resort for some elbow to elbow snowboarding and total gridlock on the highway going up to the resort.

Book stores, I love them! Even though it is very cool to be able to get a book in the evening in 30 seconds on the kindle. Our favorite book store is up in Boise, Id a used book store with 3 different levels to the store, right in the middle of downtown. We spent hours there, and came back with oodles of books! This bookstore has all the dark corners and the ladders to make it into my kind of store.

Almost done with Christmas shopping, two more gifts and that is all. Cyber Monday, I took full advantage of it.

I think your cat will relax soon. Sounds like he isn't to feral. I have had a couple of ferals that calmed down and allowed petting and even picking up and being stuck in a carrier for a trip to get spayed.

I am glad you had a great T-day. Mine was nice but a lot of work, enjoyable though :) We are having fun with our new fowl, and I found out something about my DIL to be, she loves pigmy goats! And she knits! A goat lover and a knitter, how cool can that be.

Haven't talked with you for awhile, had a lot to say :))
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