Friday's Question of the Day

By: ricderr , 8:00 PM GMT on December 14, 2012

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When things in the world turn ugly it's always nice to see the beauty that is close to me. This is Jessica and her girls. Hope is now 21 months old.



We hear today of another senseless multiple shooting where lives and families of those involved will never be the same. Tomorrow and following days we will hear from both sides concerning gun control. I for one am sick of the senseless violence and the lack of personal connection that comes from a firearm that makes using it to kill easier that I'd welcome a ban on guns even though I'm not sure it would solve problems as we witness today and it leads to the QOD:

Should we ban guns, limit their availability or some other idea?

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32. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
2:12 PM GMT on December 25, 2012
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31. airman45
7:34 PM GMT on December 15, 2012
You have probably heard "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns."

True enough. I spent 23 years in the military, part of that time as a policeman, and spent my time in Iraq. Believe me, I know weapons safety and when you need a weapon. Am I an advocate of "everyone should own one?". No, as I do not even own any weapons now. As long as weapons are available sicko's will be able to get them, as this shooter's mother did for him, ultimately at the cost of her life.

A complete ban on weapons would only lead to a booming black market for criminals. The main problem is so many weapons have already been manufactured and in circulation. Track them all down? Impossible, as many are not registered.

All we can hope for is a reduction in the number floating around. Perhaps a buyback program as some cities have? Offer money for them and this could reduce that number. This is a good incentive especially in hard economic times.

Beautiful ladies, Ric. Glad you didn't get in the picture to muck it up! LOL
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30. RobDaHood
3:20 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Quoting auburn:


No you are a good person..I just have never found the need...

Thanks bud!
Have a good night.
I'm out.
Need to listen to some tunes for a while.

Rest well folks!
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29. auburn (Mod)
3:12 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Quoting RobDaHood:

I have ARs. I shoot targets with them. I compete with them. If need be, I'll defend my family with them.

I know, a lot of folks don't feel the need for self defense, and good for them. I live out in the country. If I call the cops, I'll be lucky if they are here within a half hour.

I own a variety of guns from musket loaders to modern military weapons. I've never even contemplated committing a crime with one of them. I don't hunt. I don't needlessly kill wildlife, although if I had to I could hunt for food.

I shoot at paper or metal targets at the range with the cops and in competition.

It's a healthy sport that I enjoy...doesn't make me a bad person.


No you are a good person..I just have never found the need...
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28. RobDaHood
2:56 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Quoting auburn:
an assault rifle is for killing...Weapons Designed For Soldiers Do Not Belong On The Streets..

I have ARs. I shoot targets with them. I compete with them. If need be, I'll defend my family with them.

I know, a lot of folks don't feel the need for self defense, and good for them. I live out in the country. If I call the cops, I'll be lucky if they are here within a half hour.

I own a variety of guns from musket loaders to modern military weapons. I've never even contemplated committing a crime with one of them. I don't hunt. I don't needlessly kill wildlife, although if I had to I could hunt for food.

I shoot at paper or metal targets at the range with the cops and in competition.

It's a healthy sport that I enjoy...doesn't make me a bad person.
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27. auburn (Mod)
2:41 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Quoting aquak9:
Sooo....a Glock is for killing people/protecting property/deterring trespassers, and an assault rifle is for..stampeding squirrels.

I totally understand the need for these sort of guns now. Thank you, gentlemen.


you might live in an area where you don't need a gun if so that's great...or it sounds like you live in an area where you think you need an assault rifle..so you might want to move..
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26. auburn (Mod)
2:38 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
an assault rifle is for killing...Weapons Designed For Soldiers Do Not Belong On The Streets..
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25. aquak9
2:29 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Sooo....a Glock is for killing people/protecting property/deterring trespassers, and an assault rifle is for..stampeding squirrels.

I totally understand the need for these sort of guns now. Thank you, gentlemen.
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24. auburn (Mod)
2:15 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
I have no need for an assault rifle ..if I cant kill it with a shotgun or a hand gun its to big to be shooting at...
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23. auburn (Mod)
2:14 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Quoting aquak9:
Yeah...it was a bad day.

So- What does one do with a Glock, on a GOOD day?


well out here in the woods I use a glock to protect my family..and my home..its a good day when I have no need to use it..so far it hasn't been shot for anything but practice..
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22. auburn (Mod)
2:12 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
However, rifle owners in the state are not required to register their weapons.
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21. aquak9
2:11 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Yeah...it was a bad day.

So- What does one do with a Glock, on a GOOD day?
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20. auburn (Mod)
2:06 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Quoting RobDaHood:
Auburn,
Have you seen anything credible saying that is what was used?
I ask because stuff like that gets thrown into the conversation and then others repeat it elsewhere as fact.

I saw all sorts of conjecture and misinformation on the news today. Some of it later was shown to be wrong, some not.

Even saw one former cop saying that if it was a .223 then he had an M4, which I think is highly unlikely. It's gonna be a few days before we know what really went down. All we know for sure is that he was one sick puppy who committed a brutal and unjustifiable act.


From CNN:

Three guns were found at the scene, CNN's Susan Candiotti reports. According to a law enforcement source, the third weapon found on the scene was a .223 Bushmaster. The other weapons, previously reported, are a Glock, and a Sig-Sauer. No word on the models of Glock or Sig-Sauer.

I dont know..it is early like you said,one must wonder why a school teacher would have a Bushmaster..according to the news the guns were all registered to his mom..
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19. ricderr
1:53 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
thanx numberwise....you can't stop idiots...but you can help control their actions......22 kids will get to see their loved ones again
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18. RobDaHood
1:44 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
17. NumberWise
A couple years ago...maybe longer, I lose track, I remember a very similar case in Japan. Evil will always find a way.
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17. NumberWise
1:39 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Meanwhile, across the world in China today...

Beijing (CNN) -- Twenty-two primary school children were wounded in a knife attack Friday in central China, authorities said.
The attack took place at the entrance to the Chenpeng Village Primary School in Henan province, according to the public information department of Guangshan county, the area where the school is located. An adult was also wounded, it said.
Several of the children are in critical condition, the state-run website Chinanews.com said, citing local authorities.
Read more: Malala is face of global attacks on schools
Police say they have detained a suspect, a 36-year-old man from the village, state media reported.
Initial assessments suggest the man is mentally ill, Chinanews.com said, citing Guangshan authorities.
China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks that targeted school children in 2010.
A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives.
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16. RobDaHood
1:30 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Auburn,
Have you seen anything credible saying that is what was used?
I ask because stuff like that gets thrown into the conversation and then others repeat it elsewhere as fact.

I saw all sorts of conjecture and misinformation on the news today. Some of it later was shown to be wrong, some not.

Even saw one former cop saying that if it was a .223 then he had an M4, which I think is highly unlikely. It's gonna be a few days before we know what really went down. All we know for sure is that he was one sick puppy who committed a brutal and unjustifiable act.
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15. auburn (Mod)
1:29 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Quoting oregonbirdofprey:
Ylee probably not a lot of us, myself included, would know what a type of gun a Bushmaster ACR was, especially without seeing it. Apparently as it turns out, according to the last news I saw , only the two handguns were found at the scene. The Bushmaster was found in the shooters car. It's not that I think a ban on military type weapons would make us all safe from this kind of thing. In a free society nothing can make us that safe. But it's absolutely true that a gun that's not there cannot be used to kill someone, and a gun that can't fire thirty or fifty or one hundred rounds a minute will not kill that same amount of people so quickly that no responce is even possible. More people die because these weapons are so easily available in this country. We can stop at least some of that.



Here is a Bushmaster ACR
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14. oregonbirdofprey
1:25 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Ylee probably not a lot of us, myself included, would know what a type of gun a Bushmaster ACR was, especially without seeing it. Apparently as it turns out, according to the last news I saw , only the two handguns were found at the scene. The Bushmaster was found in the shooters car. It's not that I think a ban on military type weapons would make us all safe from this kind of thing. In a free society nothing can make us that safe. But it's absolutely true that a gun that's not there cannot be used to kill someone, and a gun that can't fire thirty or fifty or one hundred rounds a minute will not kill that same amount of people so quickly that no responce is even possible. More people die because these weapons are so easily available in this country. We can stop at least some of that.

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13. pcola57
1:24 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
ricder blog question:

"Should we ban guns, limit their availability or some other idea?"

Gotta weigh in here ricder..

I have a shotgun that has been passed down through the generations..works fine..
It has only been shot as a squirrel gun..
However..If an intruder comes into my home, I can and will use it to defend myself and my mother..
It does have a trigger lock and I think that was a stroke of genuis whomever came up with that idea..
Point being,I am a responsible gun owner and propose that once a year, people should have to be required to test their skills to some entity in order to by ammo...
Thats my opinion..
Thanks for letting me share it here ..
Thanks for listening.. :)

(beautiful family by the way)
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12. auburn (Mod)
1:12 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
The Bushmaster ACR is a american prototype assault rifle created to the ACR Program made to replace the M-4 Carbine and the M-16. It was initially a Magpul project however the project was brought by the Bushmaster industries.
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11. RobDaHood
1:05 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Quoting Ylee:


Well, since Wikipedia categorizes this gun as an assault rifle, ya think? Is this the weapon that was at the crime scene? My only source of info before I made my post was a NY Times online article, where they mentioned "two 9mm guns and a .223 rifle". Forgive my ignorance, as I thought a .223 was a slightly bigger bore version on a .22.

However, I stand by my feelings on society and the media's role on all this. Also notice on my above post I didn't let the gun manufacturers off the hook, either.

Oh yes...wikipedia, the fount of all that is truth.

Actually, if it isn't select fire, I don't think any operator that conducts assaults would call it an assault rifle. The term assault rifle has is a creation of the media and gun control folk to make it sound scary.
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10. Ylee
12:57 AM GMT on December 15, 2012
Quoting misanthrope:

You don't think the Bushmaster ACR is an assault weapon?



Well, since Wikipedia categorizes this gun as an assault rifle, ya think? Is this the weapon that was at the crime scene? My only source of info before I made my post was a NY Times online article, where they mentioned "two 9mm guns and a .223 rifle". Forgive my ignorance, as I thought a .223 was a slightly bigger bore version on a .22.

However, I stand by my feelings on society and the media's role on all this. Also notice on my above post I didn't let the gun manufacturers off the hook, either.
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9. ricderr
10:54 PM GMT on December 14, 2012
alley...thank you...i am truly blessed....but don't think any one of those ladies exude estrogen...there the meanest...most evil women that have lived....lolol
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8. ricderr
10:52 PM GMT on December 14, 2012
Ylee and others....before i start please know one rule of my blog...never disagree with the host...LOL....no...not even close....you are allowed your opinion....and unless your just a complete moron...which means more of a moron than i am....we'll get along just fine regardless if i totally disagree....each is allowed their viewpoint and to share it without condemnation....


so ylee....not to discredit you...or to invalidate your viewpoint...my only concern is this....i agree with you to a point...but i'm not blaming the gun...i am blaming that the gun makes killing easier...would have have killed as many with is bare hands...a club...a knife?....no..not only because of the weapon..but because it is much harder for the human psych to physically kill ie bare hands...knife....getting blood on yourself...that's why you rarely hear of mass killings those ways....whereas with the gun...it becomes much less personal...
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7. misanthrope
9:47 PM GMT on December 14, 2012
Quoting Ylee:
The shootist reportedly used a pair of 9mm handguns and a .223 rifle; an assault weapons ban wouldn't have stopped him.

Today's media exalts extreme violence and gore; if this guy had been constantly watching violence on TV and in the movies, and played violent video games, then wouldn't that make Hollywood and Silicon Valley just as responsible as the gun manufacturer?

You don't think the Bushmaster ACR is an assault weapon?

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6. WxWyz
9:33 PM GMT on December 14, 2012
I'm as anti-gun as they come. I'm even anti-hunting. I'm up to here with having the archaic "Right to Bear Arms" rhetoric shoved down my throat by the Right Wing lunacy in this country. The days of fightin' Injuns and Davy Crockett are long gone. And spare me the "Guns don't kill people, People kill people" line. The fact remains if we don't control guns the shooting is going to continue and maybe next time it will be YOUR loved one the coroners slab. Me personally, I feel unless your a soldier or in law enforcement, you don't need a gun. Something has to be done. Or do we just keep watching innocent people die because we "have a right" to own a gun? The U.S. has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world. Ask the families of today's slaughter how that "Right to Bear Arms" is working out for them.
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5. Alleyoops
9:12 PM GMT on December 14, 2012
now on the lighter side...Ric, now I understand why you are becoming such an old softy....it's all that estrogen that is finally settling in. LOL Looks good on ya buddy. Congrats on the beautiful family. You deserve it.
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4. Alleyoops
9:10 PM GMT on December 14, 2012
The biggest problem is, no matter what laws are put into affect, there will always be those who will go beyond the law to obtain guns to do some sort of crime. There are honest folks who own guns and only have them for protection, there are the hunters who use them for their sport then there is the underbelly that have illegal guns that have no quam in killing someone when the time rises.

How does a state or country police this kind of gun ownership? Any suggestions?
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3. Ylee
8:36 PM GMT on December 14, 2012
The shootist reportedly used a pair of 9mm handguns and a .223 rifle; an assault weapons ban wouldn't have stopped him.

Today's media exalts extreme violence and gore; if this guy had been constantly watching violence on TV and in the movies, and played violent video games, then wouldn't that make Hollywood and Silicon Valley just as responsible as the gun manufacturer?
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2. oregonbirdofprey
8:22 PM GMT on December 14, 2012
Guns are so much a part of the culture of this country I can't see how we'd ever get rid of them, much as I might like that. If we could get rid of the ones capable of so much damage, guns that are ment for war, I think that's reasonable and would help. Leave people their guns to hunt and for personal protection. Draw a common sence line and enforce it.
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1. auburn (Mod)
8:15 PM GMT on December 14, 2012
I have Guns.. I dont need an AK-47 and a 100 rnd clip to protect myself or to hunt with..but I have to go through all kinds of paper work to get a 9mm hand gun..although I can buy an assault rifle with no paper work at all...
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