Dr. Masters mentions growing Antarctic ice...

By: hcubed , 5:01 PM GMT on September 20, 2012

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...but the article started with shrinking ARCTIC ice.

I do like the quote from NSIDC Director Mark Serreze, though.

First, this is the same Mark Serreze who has given us quotes like this one in 2008: "The ice is in a "death spiral" and may disappear in the summers within a couple of decades". Along with that story, we were told that "we'll lose the summer ice cover probably by the year 2030".

We also heard from him in 2007, stating that "The Arctic is screaming,". There, we heard from another Arctic Expert, NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally, who said "At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions."

The Fall Equinox starts on September 22, 10:49 A.M. EDT

Looks like we've set a new definition of "nearly ice free": 3.41 million square kilometers.

But, back to Mark Serreze's latest comments concerning the Screaming, Death Spiraling Arctic ice:

"We are now in uncharted territory," said NSIDC Director Mark Serreze. "While we've long known that as the planet warms up, changes would be seen first and be most pronounced in the Arctic, few of us were prepared for how rapidly the changes would actually occur.

While lots of people talk about opening of the Northwest Passage through the Canadian Arctic islands and the Northern Sea Route along the Russian coast, twenty years from now from now in August you might be able to take a ship right across the Arctic Ocean..."

Some scientists have already made this "prediction" - here's one made in 1982 by a Dr Hermann Flohn of the University if Bohn, West Germany, who said "...studies of the Arctic Sea ice cover have shown that prolonging the summer melt season by as little as two weeks annually free the Arctic of ice in about 20 years..."

Looks like some people thought that boat should have sailed about 10 years ago.

But just as Mark Serreze modified his statement in 2007 where he said "There is this thin first-year ice even at the North Pole at the moment...This raises the spectre – the possibility that you could become ice free at the North Pole this year..." by mentioning that he meant the geographical North Pole, not the whole Arctic. I'm sure (if he's still around in 20 years) that his "ship right across the Arctic Ocean" phrase will be modified also.

BTW - five years later, there's STILL ice at the geographic North Pole.

And, as always, I have to admit that I believe the moon landing was real...

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4. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
11:52 PM GMT on September 30, 2012
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3. hcubed
1:22 AM GMT on September 27, 2012
Found this, for those that are interested:



This is the projected sea ice loss for NH (A&B), and the SH (C&D), and it's from the IPCC.

So when the IPCC AR4 SPM says "...Sea ice is projected to shrink in both the Arctic and Antarctic under all SRES scenarios. In some projections, arctic late-summer sea ice disappears almost entirely by the latter part of the 21st century...", they used that chart to re-enforce their point.

Remember, Tamino was kind enough to show us this chart:



Arctic is following the projections. Antarctic IS NOT.
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2. hcubed
11:51 PM GMT on September 20, 2012
Saw that. I have noticed he hasn't complained that NSIDC has still failed to even mention it. That was the gist of the articles.

And as I said, the usual crowd isn't talking about it either.

And, yes, I did read his post (even though he butchered the WunderBlog name). We manage to get his name right, but that's just us.

And even though the story is being discussed there, I've made comments over there that never made it through moderation, so discussion over there is useless if you aren't allowed free access.

So I'll look at his data.

Comments to follow after I gather some data of my own.

Feel free to jump in anytime.
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1. Neapolitan
5:51 PM GMT on September 20, 2012
The always awesome Tamino just schooled you over at his OpenMind blog. Suggest you read it, and learn.
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