TUNNELS STOP "TICKING TIME BOMB" !!

By: cyclonebuster , 12:44 AM GMT on June 22, 2008

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Kyle and Laura could be your next pending Catastrophe.Lets see if Kyle and Laura pan out in this situation??? Looks like Kyle and Laura can arrive somewhere on the East coast after forming in the Eastern Carribean Sea or Western Atlantic. This hurricane season I want to try something different with the "Tunnel" simulation. Lets suppose a catagory 5 hurricane is going to hit the USA this year with 165 MPH winds. In order for such a strong hurricane to exist we will assume it is well organized over 90 degree water. Lets assume the tunnels are in cooling phase generating electrical power and lets see how the computer model will compute wind speed of the hurricane based on SSTs prior to landfall.
Since the Tunnels can cool SSTs all the way down to 70 degrees lets have the computer calculate wind speed with every degree of drop from the 90 degree water in which the hurricane exists prior to landfall. This should work anywhere in the GOM or along the East coast. The first SST calculation at 90 degrees is given.

Will different computer models give us different results? How many models are out there that can give us such results.


MAXIMUM POTENTIAL ACTUAL POTENTIAL

70 degree water = 82 MPH
71 degree water =
72 degree water =
73 degree water =
74 degree water =
75 degree water =
76 degree water =
77 degree water =
78 degree water =
79 degree water =
80 degree water = 155 MPH
81 degree water = 160 MPH
82 degree water = 170 MPH
83 degree water = 180 MPH
84 degree water = 190 MPH
85 degree water = 200 MPH
86 degree water = 210 MPH
87 degree water = 220 MPH
88 degree water = 230 MPH
89 degree water = 240 MPH
90 degree water = 250 MPH


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381. cyclonebuster
7:44 PM GMT on August 30, 2008
Charles and Michael,

If my tunnels were on right now I don't think Gustav would be this strong right now because I think he is already tapping the energy from the Gulfstream on the North side of Cuba! What do think Computer models would show us about this?
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380. charlesimages
7:42 PM GMT on August 30, 2008
Yeah man no kidding, that would be bad
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379. cyclonebuster
7:20 PM GMT on August 30, 2008

Think of the consequences for the East Coast it they don't do that????
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378. charlesimages
7:17 PM GMT on August 30, 2008
Yeah those 2 that scoot to the NE .. that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, cause everything else is right in the flow pattern from east to west...
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377. cyclonebuster
7:12 PM GMT on August 30, 2008
I don't think the one they show going off to the NE will head that way. Most of the troffs have been bypassing these storms this year. Bertha bypassed about four of them before going off to the NE!!
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376. charlesimages
6:59 PM GMT on August 30, 2008
It's way at the end that Michigan gets out from under this high pressure and we should see some rain...

Our NWS called for a couple small chances of rain this week, one is a 20% chance, and the other is a 30% chance, but our local mets don't think it will happen...except for Wednesday.
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375. charlesimages
6:56 PM GMT on August 30, 2008
That's a nice model animation there... Look at all the disturbances, just like a train!
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374. cyclonebuster
6:15 PM GMT on August 30, 2008
Michael I told you so!! Anyways, How could the scientist not want the "Tunnels"? We are insane if don't start looking into them immediately. Look at what you posted. This doesn't bode well for us at all.The tunnels can prevent this from occuring or even regulate what happens in this model.

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372. cyclonebuster
5:25 PM GMT on August 30, 2008
Hey you guys want my Tunnels yet??????? Let me know when you have had enough of these bully hurricanes picking on you?
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371. cyclonebuster
4:47 PM GMT on August 30, 2008
One other thing would also happen with the cooler SSTs. Not as many tornadoes would form in the right front quadrant today and tomorrow over Key West and Florida.
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370. cyclonebuster
4:00 PM GMT on August 30, 2008
WOW! Gustav turns to a catagory 3 hurricane no suprise there. Anyways,as we can see on Miami radar feeder bands are already over the Loop Current and Gulfstream. These feeder bands are what the tunnels attack prior to Gustavs and Hannas arrival. With the cooler water the tunnels produce these bands would start to weaken and cooler air would drawn into a spiral motion into the center of Gustav and Hanna to start the weakening process. As the center approachs these cooler waters the process becomes increasingly effective.

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369. cyclonebuster
6:38 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
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368. cyclonebuster
6:27 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Ok Charles me too. I am pretty tired now.
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367. charlesimages
6:26 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Well man, I'm hitting the pillows, long day today, and long day again tomorrow...Take care I shall return tomorrow afternoon =)

Oh and 97L looks good too!
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366. cyclonebuster
6:22 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
000
WTNT62 KNHC 300609
TCUAT2
HURRICANE GUSTAV TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL072008
210 AM EDT SAT AUG 30 2008


DATA FROM AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT
GUSTAV CONTINUES TO STRENGTHEN AND NOW HAS MAXIMUM WINDS NEAR 100
MPH...155 KM/HR WITH HIGHER GUSTS. THIS MAKES GUSTAV A CATEGORY TWO
HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE.

$$
FORECASTER BLAKE/AVILA
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365. charlesimages
6:21 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
That is a good point.. Katrina intensified very quickly..

Check out THIS LOOP
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364. cyclonebuster
6:16 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
362. charlesimages 6:12 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Wow man! That's bad!

Katrina was a Cat 1 when it crossed Ft. Lauderdale Fla. I was there. Next thing you know its a Cat 5 when it hit the Loop Current in the GOM.
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363. charlesimages
6:13 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
We should have a fire danger this week, a red flag warning with a no burn ban...it's already very dry here, but look at this =(

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362. charlesimages
6:10 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Wow man! That's bad!

CAT 5? You sure man? It does have a bit of land to cross. It will depend on how long Gustav hangs out in the GOM. I would consider it for sure, but I think high end CAT 4 would be the max at this point. The models weaken it too much as it hits shore..
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361. cyclonebuster
6:01 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
CAYMEN ISLANDS lost power!
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360. cyclonebuster
5:59 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
I think it will be a five for sure Charles. That GULF is way to hot.


REPEATING THE 200 AM EDT POSITION...19.7 N...80.7 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...NORTHWEST NEAR 12 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...85 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...971 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER AT
500 AM EDT.

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FORECASTER BLAKE/AVILA
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359. charlesimages
5:56 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Yeah they would tell us a lot.

Man, I just have this feeling Gustav is going to leave a big mark, CAT 3 is too conservative, this will be a CAT 4 once in the GOM.
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358. cyclonebuster
5:54 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
I think tomorrow or later today the spiral bands would start to feel the effects of the cooler waters if the Tunnels were in operation. I am sure computer modeling would tell us this.
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357. charlesimages
5:45 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
I love Polar Bears man, they are cute and cuddly looking. IMO...

Hopefully they can, good thing this trend is rather gradual..

Look, we have Robins and Bluebirds here in Michigan now more than ever in the middle of winter...If they can adjust...
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356. cyclonebuster
5:39 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
What's happening to to the Polar Bears is sad for sure. Perhaps, they can evolve into Grizzly bears.
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355. charlesimages
5:23 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
I heard McCain's new running mate wants to take Polar Bears off the endangered species list... she also is against gay marriage and some other stuff...Sorry for the politics, but the Polar Bears applied...
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354. charlesimages
5:17 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
I think so.... I haven't checked in a while
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353. cyclonebuster
5:16 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Arctic Ice On Verge Of Another All-time Low
ScienceDaily (Aug. 28, 2008) — Following last summer's record minimum ice cover in the Arctic, current observations from ESA's Envisat satellite suggest that the extent of polar sea-ice may again shrink to a level very close to that of last year.
Envisat observations from mid-August depict that a new record of low sea-ice coverage could be reached in a matter of weeks. The animation above is a series of mosaics of the Arctic Ocean created from images acquired between early June and mid-August 2008 from the Advanced Synthetic Aperture Radar (ASAR) instrument aboard Envisat. The dark grey colour represents ice-free areas while blue represents areas covered with sea ice.

Current ice coverage in the Arctic has already reached the second absolute minimum since observations from space began 30 years ago. Because the extent of ice cover is usually at its lowest about mid-September, this year's minimum could still fall to set another record low.

Each year, the Arctic Ocean experiences the formation and then melting of vast amounts of ice that floats on the sea surface. An area of ice the size of Europe melts away every summer reaching a minimum in September. Since satellites began surveying the Arctic in 1978, there has been a regular decrease in the area covered by ice in summer – with ice cover shrinking to its lowest level on record and opening up the most direct route through the Northwest Passage in September 2007.

The direct route through the Northwest Passage - highlighted in the image above by an orange line - is currently almost free of ice, while the indirect route, called the Amundsen Northwest Passage, has been passable for almost a month. This is the second year in a row that the most direct route through the Northwest Passage has opened up.

Prof. Heinrich Miller from the Alfred Wegener Institute (AWI) in Bremerhaven, Germany commented that, "Our ice-breaking research vessel 'Polarstern' is currently on a scientific mission in the Arctic Ocean. Departing from Iceland, the route has taken the ship through the Northwest Passage into the Canadian Basin where geophysical and geological studies will be carried out along profiles into the Makarov Basin to study the tectonic history and submarine geology of the central Arctic Ocean. In addition, oceanographic as well as biological studies will be carried out. Polarstern will circumnavigate the whole Arctic Ocean and exit through the Northeast Passage."

Regarding the use of satellite data for polar research Miller continues, "The polar regions, especially the Arctic, are very sensitive indicators of climate change. The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has shown that these regions are highly vulnerable to rising temperatures and predicted that the Arctic would be virtually ice-free in the summer months by 2070. Other scientists claim it could become ice-free as early as 2040. Latest satellite observations suggest that the Arctic could be mainly ice-free even earlier."

Miller added, "At AWI we place particular emphasis on studying Arctic sea-ice, and along with in-situ studies of sea-ice thickness change satellite data have been used extensively - not only for the regular observation of changes in the Arctic and Antarctic, but also for optimising the operation of Polarstern in regions covered by sea ice."




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352. cyclonebuster
5:03 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
They ever get the current velocity readings on the great lakes?
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351. charlesimages
4:55 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Air current mainly, but there are currents in the lakes. If you go up to the Straits area and cross the Mighty Mac you can see them all in the water on calm days

Wind has a LOT to do with water temps..
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350. cyclonebuster
4:47 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Upwelling occur in the great lakes from the wind? What kind of currents are there?
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348. cyclonebuster
4:34 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
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347. charlesimages
4:31 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Hey CB, we get those Nor'Easter type storms through here, all cold core, not enough lake water to throw anything good, although we have Mesolows from time to time, mainly in January and February.
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346. charlesimages
4:26 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Yes Michael, but Lake Michigan seldom gets to 80F. When it's that hot the upper layers are too warm to support proper cooling, and convection doesn't occur. We'd have to cool it off and quick though before winter, or else we would have horrific thundersnows..

To get storms here we need a non lake breeze or a strong squall line... or weather to come out of the north, east, or south, geographically our pattern flows from west to east, so we have these "prevailing westerlies" all the time which really kills a chance at anything much west of US 131. Elevated convection seems to have a lesser problem of crossing over though.

Good idea CB, I like that. The ones out to sea we could still study the dynamics of using the Hurricane Hunter planes. So we can better understand the big ones, which would make for good info which would assist in the tunnel plans.
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345. cyclonebuster
4:26 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Don't tell me the GREAT LAKES lakes are warm enough to support a hurricane now????????????
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344. cyclonebuster
4:25 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Glad to see you Michael!!
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343. cyclonebuster
4:22 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
"It would definitely make sense because the inflow feed would be cooler and weaken the storms. As much as I love a big wild storm... I would like to see the Canes weaker at least."

Of course we will only do this to the ones forecast to hit land and we would leave all the other ones alone.
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341. charlesimages
4:20 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
My lawn is like rice crispies LOL

I am working on it, I can sing and write like nobody's business, I can sing like Dave Mustaine mostly, and James Hetfield of Metallica, then I put my own spin on it, I have tons of beats in my heads for songs, even down to each drum beat and solo.. I just need to produce it somehow, I could have METALLADETH

LOL If I could get away with the name I would!!

I can whip up an album's worth of songs typing them in one day. They are all long, rhythmic, and they have a deep meaning. I just wish I had a band and equipment...
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340. charlesimages
4:18 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
It would definitely make sense because the inflow feed would be cooler and weaken the storms. As much as I love a big wild storm... I would like to see the Canes weaker at least.

I would like to heat up Lake Michigan on the other hand..Some kind of solar panel system or something, because we get dry here when the storms keep dying over that lake...
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339. cyclonebuster
4:18 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
You a musician?
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338. charlesimages
4:16 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Thanks!

I am trying to sing along to some Megadeth, I sound just like Dave Mustaine man, if he dies I might audition for the band...
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337. cyclonebuster
4:15 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Anyways, Hugh told me this would occur prior to the center arriving and after it has past.
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336. cyclonebuster
4:15 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Your funny too Charles!
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335. charlesimages
4:15 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Cool link!
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334. charlesimages
4:12 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
Mine's cooler..LOL

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333. cyclonebuster
4:10 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
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332. cyclonebuster
4:06 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
The Archimedean spiral (also known as the arithmetic spiral) is a spiral named after the 3rd century BC Greek mathematician Archimedes. It is the locus of points corresponding to the locations over time of a point moving away from a fixed point with a constant speed along a line which rotates with constant angular velocity. Equivalently, in polar coordinates (r, θ) it can be described by the equation


with real numbers a and b. Changing the parameter a will turn the spiral, while b controls the distance between successive turnings.

Archimedes described such a spiral in his book On Spirals.


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331. cyclonebuster
4:06 AM GMT on August 30, 2008
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