# Winter 2010-11

By: crowe1 , 8:01 PM GMT on December 21, 2010

Well, winter officially began today with an extremely rare total lunar eclipse on a winter solstice full moon. Perhaps this portends plentiful powder?

With the official start to winter I thought I'd bring back the snow-counting from Lakeshadow on Sully's blog back in the "old days." As I recall, this is an old Iroquois (Onondaga?) method. The following is from LakeShadow's blog:

Snow Counting Rules:

How many snows will you get this year?

The calculation for snow-counting is as follows:

F + N = S ( F= First Snow Date of Month; N= Number of Days Since Previous New Moon; S= Snows For Winter)

Add the date of the month which you receive your first qualifying snow (see "What counts as a snow", below) to the number of days since the last new moon.

For example: Its forecast to snow on Oct 28th here in the Buffalo region. The last new moon was September 29th. It will be 30 days ago that there was a new moon from Oct 28th. add 30 (days since new moon) to 28(day of month) and you get 58. That is the number of snows that will be expected if the predicted snowfall happens.

What counts as a snow?
A snow is counted when there is enough of it to track an animal and it doesn't melt until the next sunrise or sunset. For example, if it starts to snow over night, it must cover and stick to the ground (grassy surface...not pavement) the next morning without melting for it to count. If it starts snowing during the daytime, it must still remain on the ground through sunset. This is easy to determine by watching for animal tracks or by putting a footprint in the snow once it stops snowing.

A new snow is counted when
a.) snow has melted between snows (after it has remained long enough to count in the first place) and surfaces are recovered to fit the snowfall criteria.

b.) Snow from the previous snowfall remains for the required time to be counted, new snow covers the footprints tracks left by animals and tracks stay covered through the following sunrise/sunset.

Many snows are too light to track an animal or melt away too quickly to be counted. So remember to take note...can you track an animal in the grass and has it stayed through the following sunrise/sunset.

If a snow is continuous through a few days without letting up through the following sunrise/sunset, it is only considered one snow. in other words, sometimes it snows for a few days and still counts as only one snow. On rarer occasions, two snows can be counted in one day. For example.. It may snow over night and stop before the sun rises, yet the snow remains on the ground past sunrise. Then the snow starts again in the afternoon while it is light and lets up before nightfall, covering all morning tracks and remaining on the ground through the following night. This counts as 2 snows for one day.

Thanks for visiting and participating!!! Keep us all posted on how you do with your corner of the world!!!

I thought this was fun so I'm doing it again. My first snow was Dec. 14, last new moon was 9 days before, so 14+9=23. I hope we come close:). As of 12/21/10 I'm at 2 snows.
3.) 12/23/10: .25"
4.) 12/26-27/10: C
5.) 1/4/11: .1"
6.) 1/7: c
7.) 1/7-1/8: 9.75"
8.) 1/12?: 5"
9.) 1/15: 5"
10.) 1/18: 5" (do I see a trend here?)
11.) 1/19: 2"
12.) 1/21: 4.2"
13.) 1/23: .3"
14.) 1/24-25: .5"

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##### 188. originalLT
8:27 PM GMT on January 29, 2011
 Hi Listener, first hope you are feeling better, and second, you are right, the comment box is there, but it's filled with some sort of commputer talk gibberish!
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##### 186. listenerVT
8:21 PM GMT on January 29, 2011
 Quoting originalLT:Crowe1, it's funny, on Blizz's blog, it seems to be "stuck" with your comment at 1:21PM being the last one. On my computer any way, I can't seem to get to or open the comment box on his blog. Check it out. LTI see some comments but the Comments Box was quite full, as though someone had tried to respond to the entire thread. And I hadn't done a thing. Weird glitch!
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##### 185. originalLT
8:07 PM GMT on January 29, 2011
 Crowe1, it's funny, on Blizz's blog, it seems to be "stuck" with your comment at 1:21PM being the last one. On my computer any way, I can't seem to get to or open the comment box on his blog. Check it out. LT
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##### 184. listenerVT
1:17 AM GMT on January 29, 2011
 * * * XOX ALLY UPDATE! XOX * * *Friday, January 28, 2011 6:44 PM, EST Ally and Daddy are off to New York on Sunday. Tomorrow we will celebrate Ally's birthday with a cake, some gifts and a visit to a friend's house (mommy and daddy's friend...but whose keeping track? At least they have a brand new baby to entertain Ally!).Someone from the New York office called. It turns out they are "overbooked" for 3f8 next week. This means Ally is on the afternoon schedule. It should start around noon, instead of 8:00. We are not sure what this will mean, as, in the past Ally would kind of snap out if it around 5 or 6, just in time for dinner. Daddy is confident he will figure it out. Thankfully, Auntie Kelly will be joining him half way through the week!The injections we have to give Ally are causing her huge welts at the injection site. We have to give her Benadryl every 4 hours to keep them under control. She has been very sleepy the past couple of days. Luckily they are not bothering her too much.That's about it for now. I will update at some point on Monday or Tuesday.PS: Ally does not like the word "Awesome", she prefers "Radical".
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##### 183. listenerVT
4:21 PM GMT on January 28, 2011
 Just got this note from my niece in Spain:"It's hailing in Madrid!"
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##### 182. listenerVT
4:19 PM GMT on January 28, 2011
 LT ~ Well, I have a true old-fashioned cold. Nothing more, nothing less. *Achoo!*Yesterday we sent a package off to Ally...It's a 10' long floor puzzle that is an Alphabet Train; it has an animal with each letter, and one train car per animal. :-)Plus! My eldest granddaughter is right now on her way to register for Kindergarten! ♥
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##### 181. originalLT
12:42 PM GMT on January 28, 2011
 Thanks for all the "wintery" photos, Listener, very nice. Also, I hope you are feeling better, LT.
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##### 180. listenerVT
6:48 AM GMT on January 28, 2011
 Tracks on the way home...
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##### 179. listenerVT
6:46 AM GMT on January 28, 2011
 Bohemian Waxwing!There was a flock of about 20 of them in the trees by my mailbox today. The music they made was glorious!
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##### 178. listenerVT
2:13 AM GMT on January 27, 2011
 Hi crowe!Yes, that's the Sharp-shinned Hawk who occasionally thinks the feeders in my yard represent a delicatessen.I started sneezing today, so I'm okay with foregoing this particular storm in favour of sitting by the fire.
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##### 177. crowe1
12:49 PM GMT on January 26, 2011
 HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALLY!!! Let's hope the rest are filled with fun!Nice pics Listener. That hawk(?) looks like it's unhappy about having its photo taken.We managed -21.7F the other day. It was -19 when I walked up to wait for the bus with Katie (my 11 yr old). I had her wrapped tight, old fur coat, blankets, etc. After first telling me I was mean for making her go to school, she came around and saw it as an adventure.Looks like a miss on this storm for us Listener. At least or friends in MA, CT get some. I don't want wet snow anyway. I'd rather keep the cold so the 14-16" on the ground stays nice and fluffy. A few inches are possible from a clipper on Sat.
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##### 176. listenerVT
7:36 AM GMT on January 26, 2011
 Here's lookin' at you...
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##### 175. listenerVT
7:35 AM GMT on January 26, 2011
 Very cool sky ...
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##### 174. listenerVT
7:34 AM GMT on January 26, 2011
 Nippy...
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##### 173. listenerVT
7:32 AM GMT on January 26, 2011
 SNOW SAG ... This is what happens when your vehicle is holding more snow than it can hold.
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##### 172. listenerVT
7:31 AM GMT on January 26, 2011
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##### 171. listenerVT
7:30 AM GMT on January 26, 2011
 This was Monday at 2:38am:Inyo, they say Burlington got down to -19 that night. We had at least -22.8 here. Sweet!
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##### 170. listenerVT
7:29 AM GMT on January 26, 2011
 Quoting Inyo:The cold does seem to have a purifying/cleansing aspect to it, doesn't it?...Anyway, looks like fairly uneventful weather for the next week, but that's ok. It'll be cold though! Stay warm everyone.Sooo sorry to hear about your friends' house fire! It's good to have supportive friends at a time like that.Inyo, I agree with you about the purity of the air after such cold. I really like it! Here's a photo I took on that really cold morning.
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##### 169. Inyo
11:35 PM GMT on January 25, 2011
 The cold does seem to have a purifying/cleansing aspect to it, doesn't it?It got down to around -20 in Middlebury where I was that night. My thermometer right at my window near the lake in Burlington read -15 but it reads a bit warm during cold snaps due to proximity to the window. So it probably got near -20 right down to the lake! It's still mostly unfrozen though. I guess it sure would take an intense cold to freeze the center of the lake, and I guess a milder summer too.The fire story really hit home also. A place my friend was renting had a small house fire. Thankfully no one was home, no pets, the only living things that died were a few houseplants (temperatures hot enough to melt plastic, THEN -20 after the heat was turned off! Not many plants could survive that)... The place wasn't leveled but lots of smoke damage and we had to go through the ashes and move the non-destroyed items to a storage unit. Needless to say that home will be uninhabitable for a while.Anyway, looks like fairly uneventful weather for the next week, but that's ok. It'll be cold though! Stay warm everyone.
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##### 168. listenerVT
1:14 AM GMT on January 25, 2011
 Last night we had -22.8 ... Nippy!Presently we're at -8.3 and falling.I don't know why, but weather like this excites me. :-)Snowmog...I haven't heard of any special requests from Miss Ally for her birthday (which is the 30th). She will actually be spending it in NYC and likely in pain from the 3f8 treatments. So they're going to do a little cake this weekend, then a big party with little friends when she gets home and settled in.*** Update on 2/26: Ally hasn't asked for anything in particular, but we hear she doesn't need books. And at least she only travels to NYC on her birthday. The painful treatments don't start until the next day.
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##### 167. listenerVT
12:50 AM GMT on January 25, 2011
 * * * ♥ Ally Update! ♥ * * *Monday, January 24, 2011 6:44 PM, EST￼Ally is doing great!  She woke up on Saturday morning and returned to her normal self.  We gave her some regular Tylenol just a couple of times that day, and has not needed any sense.  She is easing her way back into crunchy foods, and as a special treat we went to the Olive Garden for dinner tonight.  She LOVES the cheese they put on everything!  She even got a second helping of cheese on her pasta tonight.Ally only has 2 days of preschool this week, and then, on Sunday Daddy and Ally head to New York for round four of 3f8.We would like to say a special thank you to Ally’s Mommy’s side of the family. Their generous gift help offset the cost of this surgery, as we don't have dental insurance.  Thank you so much.  Ally's teeth and our peace of mind are indebted to you until the Tooth Fairy comes (which someone told Ally brings you \$50 a tooth....WHAT?)
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##### 166. listenerVT
12:48 AM GMT on January 25, 2011
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##### 165. Snowmog
9:46 PM GMT on January 24, 2011
 Quoting listenerVT:‎.. . . . . . . . . . .♥ . ♥. . ♥ . .♥ . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . .||. .|| . .|| . .|| . . . . . . . . . .~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~♥ H A P P Y ♥~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~♥ B I R T H D A Y ♥~~~~~~~~~~~~~~♥ T A B I T H A !!!! ♥~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(______________________________)Thanks so much for the b-day wishes Listener! that is so sweet! Sorry I havn't stopped by for a while. Just read about Ally's teeth surgery, I am glad it all went so well. Is she feeling less uncomfortable with it now or is she still on pain meds? She is off to NYC very soon now right? and her b-day is coming right up? What did she ask for? any special presents?I have uploaded my rooster cake to my WU gallery. Another photo I put there weeks ago still says it is waiting to be submitted, so not sure what's up with that!? I think this is a link to my photo on WU, not sure though :0/
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##### 164. crowe1
1:21 PM GMT on January 24, 2011
 This is from a pws a few hundred yards away:F -24.9 °F 30.49in SE 2.0mph 4.0mph 77% 0.00in07:51 -20.1 °F -25.0 °F 30.49in SE 3.0mph 3.0mph 77% 0.00in07:52 -20.1 °F -25.0 °F 30.50in SE 2.0mph 3.0mph 77% 0.00in07:55 -20.3 °F -25.2 °F 30.50in SE 1.0mph 2.0mph 77% 0.00in07:56 -20.3 °F -25.2 °F 30.50in Calm 1.0mph 77% 0.00in07:57 -20.3 °F -25.2 °F 30.49in Calm 0.0mph 77% 0.00in08:00 -20.5 °F -25.4 °F 30.50in SE 1.0mph 2.0mph 77% 0.00in08:01 -20.6 °F -25.5 °F 30.50in SE 2.0mph 2.0mph 77% 0.00in08:02 -20.6 °F -25.5 °F 30.50in SE 2.0mph 2.0mph 77% 0.00in08:06 -20.8 °F -25.7 °F 30.50in SE 1.0mph 2.0mph 77% 0.00in08:07 -21.0 °F -25.9 °F 30.50in SE 1.0mph 2.0mph 77% 0.00in08:11 -21.2 °F -26.3 °F 30.50in SE 1.0mph 2.0mph 76% 0.00in08:12 -21.3 °F -26.2 °F 30.51in SE 3.0mph 3.0mph 77% 0.00in08:13 -21.3 °F -26.2 °F 30.51in SE 3.0mph 3.0mph 77% 0.00in08:16 -21.5 °F -26.4 °F 30.51in Calm 1.0mph 77% 0.00in08:17 -21.6 °F -26.5 °F 30.51in Calm 1.0mph 77% 0.00in08:18 -21.6 °F -26.5 °F 30.51in Calm 1.0mph 77% 0.00in
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##### 163. crowe1
12:17 PM GMT on January 24, 2011
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##### 162. crowe1
11:42 AM GMT on January 24, 2011
 I can't compare to Mt. Washington but here, my own arctic is -20 now. After the wind died aroud 12:45am the temp dropped fast. That is not fun to see, "Temps droppeing from -8." Isn't -8 cold enough?
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##### 161. listenerVT
7:36 AM GMT on January 24, 2011
 At the top of Mount Washington in NH right now the temp is -33, with winds pushing 100mph, and a windchill of -83. Awesome!
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##### 160. listenerVT
7:25 AM GMT on January 24, 2011
 It's about -22 here so far. The house occasionally pops at the timbers from the effect of the cold. We are reasonably snug however, with the stove going strong and solid window and door. I can't help but find this weather a little exciting. It is a necessary stinging salve. I may not like such deep cold, and I shiver thinking of the birds and beasts and homeless ones bearing it full on. Yet I welcome this passage of Winter.
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##### 159. crowe1
2:17 AM GMT on January 24, 2011
 Thanks Listener!You can bet that fire is stoked! We at -4 and still have a steady, bitter wind at 10-15 making it a cold -20 to -25. I even put up some foam insulation board for the chickens!Keep warm yourself:)
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##### 158. listenerVT
1:49 AM GMT on January 24, 2011
 Update: Our Wind Chill Advisory has been dropped because our winds have dropped.We're still expecting record or near-record lows tonight.I sure hope the homefires are burning at your house.We set out extra food for the birds, and will not deter ANY creature, from deer to squirrel,who happens by for a snack tonight and in the morning. Hoping for no bears this year.
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##### 157. listenerVT
11:16 PM GMT on January 23, 2011
 Thanks, lazzy. :-)The colours on the forecast map kind of took me by surprise:The Concord, NH area is expecting clear skies. Colder with lows 10 to 15 below. Light and variable winds. Wind chill values as low as 30 below. They have a Wind Chill Warning. Up here in Vermont we are expecting clear skies and a frigid night. Patchy ice crystals after midnight. Near record lows around 27 below. Northwest winds around 10 mph until 10 PM...becoming light and variable. Wind chill in some places could flirt with -40. So we have a mere Wind Chill Advisory.=Stay snug, everyone!=
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##### 156. lazzyhazy1
10:23 AM GMT on January 23, 2011
 I am glad Ally did well! We may have a storm in 3 days Lazzy
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##### 155. listenerVT
4:11 AM GMT on January 23, 2011
 original...that's quite a surgery! I hope it comes with a good prognosis.Prayers ensuing!
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##### 154. originalLT
5:38 AM GMT on January 22, 2011
 Thanks for the Ally report, Listener. boy she is a tough little fighter! I'm glad they could save all her teeth, she's doing alot better than me in that respect! My little minor surgery went well, removing a pretty good size cyst from my left temple area, got 6 stitches, just alittle sore now. We got about 4.5" of snow here in Stamford CT.
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##### 153. listenerVT
4:40 AM GMT on January 22, 2011
 Thanks, Inyo...I would be cranky too! Ally is such a sweetie.I'm looking forward to a photo of her new smile. :-)I'm also looking forward to the subzeros this weekend! We won't be having any visits from Black Widow Spiders this year, and we may be more healthy next Winter as this cold snap kills some germs. Yeah!
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##### 152. Inyo
12:30 AM GMT on January 22, 2011
 Oops, I misread my thermometer, it is 17! So warm!
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##### 151. Inyo
12:27 AM GMT on January 22, 2011
 I'd be cranky too if I had to go through that!Stay warm, everyone! 11 degrees out right now and I have a feeling it may be a few days before I even see anything that 'warm' again.
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##### 150. listenerVT
9:37 PM GMT on January 21, 2011
 Friday, January 21, 2011 2:14 PM, EST * * * ♥ ALLY DID GREAT! ♥ * * *We are home.  Everything went well.  The doctor was able to save all of Ally's teeth.  The front ones have white caps on them, and the back ones are covered in silver crowns.  She is swollen and in pain, but luckily we have some good pain meds left over from NYC that the doctor said we could use.  She is also cranky.  Before her surgery she charmed so many people that we came home with THREE extra toys.  Everyone loves her!!Off to find some soft foods for her.  Have a great weekend.
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##### 149. Inyo
1:43 PM GMT on January 21, 2011
 I just drove from Middlebury to Burlington and the roads sure were slick, especially south of Vergennes. It was fine, though I did use the 4*4 on some of the hills. I don't use it a lot but when I do I am really glad to have it!Anyway, here comes the really COLD stuff, this weekend will be the coldest temps I've ever been in, if the forecast is accurate.Good luck for Ally's surgery!-C
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##### 148. listenerVT
2:45 AM GMT on January 21, 2011
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##### 147. listenerVT
2:33 AM GMT on January 21, 2011
 *** ♥ ALLY UPDATE! ♥ ***Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:04 AM, EST Tomorrow we head to Manchester for Ally's dental surgery.  She still has a bit of a cough and a runny nose.  Please pray everything goes smoothly tomorrow.  The most nerve wracking part is that the procedure is taking place at a different hospital with doctors we don't know and don't know us.  It was a funny (on my side at least) conversation with the nurse who called up to get Ally's medical history.  I asked her if I could just give her the high points...it was still a 15 minute conversation.We have to be there at 6:15 tomorrow morning.  The procedure begins at 7:30.  I will update when we get home.
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##### 146. listenerVT
2:31 AM GMT on January 21, 2011
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##### 145. crowe1
2:11 AM GMT on January 21, 2011
 BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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##### 144. crowe1
1:58 AM GMT on January 21, 2011
 My saving grace will be snow to liquid ratio. Quoting Albany again: It should be noted the roebber neural network for snow to liquid ratios /slrs/ off the NAM...and GFS yields a 70% probability of slr/S of 15:1 or greater ! We are looking for a fluffy/drier snowfall with the high ratios.On the edge of good precip here. I'll stay with the lucky number 5" of fluff.
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##### 143. Snowmog
6:12 PM GMT on January 20, 2011
 Quoting crowe1:Snowmog: After looking more closely,I'm upping my guess to 4-7", more down your way than up here.WooHOOO!! :0)
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##### 142. crowe1
1:10 PM GMT on January 20, 2011
 Snowmog: After looking more closely,I'm upping my guess to 4-7", more down your way than up here.
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##### 141. crowe1
12:56 PM GMT on January 20, 2011
 Hey Shovler3, me neither! Thurs/Fri looks to be 2-5" of fluff, better threat for next week. Very cold weekend though. This is from Albany: We are probably looking at calm...or near calm...winds...and likely a strong inversion...and there fore could see some cloudiness and/or haze due to large amount of wood stoves and fireplaces in the region. Lows Sunday night will again range from around 20 below zero in some of the colder spots in the Adirondacks and southern Vermont to around zero in the south. I know I'll be contributing:)
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##### 140. Snowmog
11:10 PM GMT on January 19, 2011
 Wondering about Friday, I hope we get another nice 6" or so :0)I made a rooster birthday cake for my daughter Tabitha's 4th birthday. How do I post the photo?
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##### 139. lazzyhazy1
6:44 PM GMT on January 19, 2011
 hi nothing mutch for me it just made the roads a mess, a nice light snow today maby an inch. Lazzy
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##### 138. TheShovler3
3:46 PM GMT on January 19, 2011
 I know i haven't been around alot... however i wanted to say i hope you all had wonderful holidays and my season total so far is 49.75 13-Dec 5.527-Dec 19.57-Jan 711-Jan 1418-Jan 3.75 1/3" Ice accretion How much do we think for thursday into friday?
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