Redesign Update

By: Toby Skinner , 11:45 PM GMT on February 04, 2011

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It's been almost 3 days since the launch of the new site and as expected, we've had a huge amount of feedback from you all. We appreciate all of your comments - both the positive and negative - and rest assured that we are listening to each and every one of you. We would like to address some of the recurring concerns that have been raised:

How long will the classic site be available?
The classic site is not going anywhere. We will be running it alongside the new site but as we add new features and data the classic site will not benefit from these additions. For further reassurance, I can tell you that we are still running our Telnet site from back in 1992 before The Internet took over.

Why change for the sake of change?
We are one of the oldest sites on the Internet and this new site design is the first major overhaul of the user interface for 16 years. The fact that we have had one overhaul in 16 years demonstrates that we do not 'change for the sake of change'. We have added so much data and so many new products over the years that we simply had to re-organize the architecture of the site. Also, we appreciate how much our loyal users love the appearance of the classic site, but for visitors less familiar with it, the brand impression was not always so positive. We have conducted research that showed that many people did not trust the weather data on the classic site because of its dated appearance. Of course our existing users remain our number one priority and these changes are designed to enhance your experience - but to continue to be here and provide you with our unique quality of data then we have to appeal to a wide audience.

I can't find data on the city forecast page?
The number one rule that we set ourselves when looking at the city forecast page was that absolutely no data could be taken away from our users. The focus of the redesign was to instantly surface as much data as possible for our users - but with a layout that doesn't feel like such a data overload. Despite its cleaner appearance, there is in fact more data available on the city forecast page than before, without having to click to a new page.

Why has the 5-day Forecast been moved further down the page?
We understand that some users are not happy about having to scroll down to the 5-day forecasts. We introduced the 'at a glance' data at the top of the page so you can see what weather is heading your way over the next 36 hour period. We could not keep everything at the top of the page but please note that the new city forecast page is more customizable for users with the collapsible functionality of the content sections. In response to many requests, we have just launched a new tab next to the radar image on the city forecast page that will give you the 7-day text forecast in one piece at the top of the page. If you click on this new tab, it will remain the default for your next visit.

Why did we launch the new site during major storms?
We had planned the re-launch for Groundhog Day for several months and we unfortunately could not have anticipated the level of severe weather activity that far in advance.

Are we 'going to do a Facebook' and keep changing the interface?
Again, this is the 1st overhaul of the site for 16 years. If you've used wunderground.com for a while you know that we are constantly making small changes to improve the site and this will continue on the new site. I can't promise that we won't redesign the site in 2017.....!

You can still go to your settings page and view both fahrenheit and degrees - it still needs some work integrating with the new site - we're working on it!

We will continue to listen to all of your feedback as we move forward with the new user interface. Ultimately, our focus is on delivering the most reliable and in-depth weather information - you can choose which version of the site you wish to view the data on.

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i have been using the new layout since launch and no issue other than size of font but i solved that by zooming in 125 percent and it fits perfect across the entire screen and its easier to read
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So far I like the new layout just fine. No complaints from me. I look forward to more tweaks and will adjust. :)
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classic.wunderground.com


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146. RRSNY
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
hahahahahahahahahahahaha


Laugh it up, Sunshine.
The joke is on you.
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I have a problem with pple saying one shouldn't complain. If there are serious problems w/ the way the new setup is working, how are WunderWorkers going to know to fix if no one complains?

OTOH, u don't have to be rude about it. "I hate the new look and @$#%^&*%" is not doing much to solve any problem; u don't even feel better afterwards [obvious since u keep coming back 2 do it again a few posts later].

IMO lots of constructive criticism on the page. Hope everything gets resolved in a way that benefits the site as a whole.
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if any one ues rude language on this blog will be reported by me if i haveing too be on
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Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


The rude language is not necessary. Use the old version.



its ok i reported him
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Quoting BahaHurican:
Hey, DontA.... I'm getting weird happenings. When I try to QUOTE from the 1st 50 posts ... I get the issue re-occurring, but I get the truncation whether I am compatability mode or not.

Might be a bug with the quote function [which as we all know is pretty buggy just on general principles....]



i do not have any issue with it in firfox 4.0 beta 10
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Quoting RRSNY:



There is great satisfaction in knowing you
are too dumb to know how dumb you are.

You can dish it out but you can't take it.
You are the very definition of a punk.
That's you. Just a dumb little punk.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Quoting BahaHurican:
Hey, DontA.... I'm getting weird happenings. When I try to QUOTE from the 1st 50 posts ... I get the issue re-occurring, but I get the truncation whether I am compatability mode or not.

Might be a bug with the quote function [which as we all know is pretty buggy just on general principles....]


Yeah, weird.
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Quoting mbailey:
I


The rude language is not necessary. Use the old version.
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Quoting mbailey:
I wouldn't give a crap if only the classic view click took me to "my page", the only one I'm interested in... I don't like the change, I think it sucks. I know you don't give a shit what I think since my $10 isn't spent yet but when it comes time to renew.... HA HA HA F'n HA. Won't be doing that again.



you been report that was vary rude
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I think the new format sucks. Nuff.
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Hey, DontA.... I'm getting weird happenings. When I try to QUOTE from the 1st 50 posts ... I get the issue re-occurring, but I get the truncation whether I am compatability mode or not.

Might be a bug with the quote function [which as we all know is pretty buggy just on general principles....]
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Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Not using NoScript with FF, but the same happens with IE. Tx for replying; I've submitted a support ticket.


Thanks for submitting the support ticket. The same thing is happening in Chrome.
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Quoting DataPilot:


Yep, the exact same thing happens to me. I'm on XP with FF 3.6.13 and NoScript.

Overall, I love the new look and feel of Wunderground. It's clean-looking and easy to find what I'm looking for.


Not using NoScript with FF, but the same happens with IE. Tx for replying; I've submitted a support ticket.
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Quoting DontAnnoyMe:
Is anyone else having trouble with the Member Handle list? For each column, the correct URL shows in the status bar, but clicking on any of the 7 columns brings up 0-9 (http://www.wunderground.com/blog/index.html?range=0to9#mem)



Yep, the exact same thing happens to me. I'm on XP with FF 3.6.13 and NoScript.

Overall, I love the new look and feel of Wunderground. It's clean-looking and easy to find what I'm looking for.
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132. rlk
Re the font complaints: I'd really, really rather site leave the font size (and face, for that matter) alone and let the user pick it globally.

Not really related to classic vs. new site, but I'd like bigger (more detailed) maps and radar. Something like this: http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/18/index_slp_lu_loop.shtml or at least this: http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/18/index_slp_mu_loop.shtml. It would be nice to also have more model runs available (currently I'm only offered the 18Z and 00Z runs for the GFS) -- maybe even several days worth, with the ability to watch the evolution at a certain point in time (it would be very interesting, for example, to see how the GFS changes its handling of the storm later this week).
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Quoting pottery:
On the Main Blog, there is a Wunder Poll.
"what do you think of the new site?"
The poll should be here too!

The results are pretty surprising to me.
Check it out....


Not to me. Thousands of users, only a handful of users with issues. Admittedly, some didn't complain and just dumped WU. No way of knowing how many.

But there are only 162 votes, prob not enough for a good sample.
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ummm pot....don't you be letting on that these that are complaining aren't the overwhelming majority
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Thanx for staying Classic Wunderground...






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On the Main Blog, there is a Wunder Poll.
"what do you think of the new site?"
The poll should be here too!

The results are pretty surprising to me.
Check it out....
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Mostly what I have to say has been said before, I'd just like to throw my vote in with those comments.

I have to agree with all the people mentioning the reduction of contrast. Grey text on white? It's just harder to read. It's similar for the High/Low temperature. Using red and blue made them pop out much more than black or grey.

Same deal with smaller, low contrast icons. I'm curious what the reasoning is, but it does make things harder to take in at a glance. (yes I know that you can select your own icons, but they're still smaller.)

Aspect ratio: Considering that this is the era of the widescreen display, why go with a long narrow presentation? It doesn't make sense. (I'm trying hard to give you guys the benefit of the doubt that it isn't for advertising purposes.)

After playing with it a little, collapsing this or that, etc, the redesign isn't really all THAT different, but it definitely isn't an improvement. It's still less easy to read, less easy to take in at a glance, and seems to use space less well than the classic page.

I definitely appreciate that the classic site remains an option, but it would be nice if the new version were revised until it was as good, or dare I suggest?, better than the classic site.
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So INFANTILE, he can't control himself !!!

Same kind of critter/cretin who goes out to shoot
everybody in sight !!??
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The new design is OK but it is missing the information I use the most with Wunderground: The rain rate column is missing in the nearby personal weather stations list. Having this information in list form is invaluable in my area since the radar works very poorly due to the hilly terrain. The radar can show heavy rain while ground stations show none and, conversely, the radar can show light rain while ground stations have rain rates over 1/2 inch per hour - flood conditions if sustained.

Please bring back the rain rate column in the personal weather stations list.
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124. RRSNY
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
monkey see monkey do never have i've seen more tissue wiping then here when the underground revamp the page
and you are a classic example of that





There is great satisfaction in knowing you
are too dumb to know how dumb you are.

You can dish it out but you can't take it.
You are the very definition of a punk.
That's you. Just a dumb little punk.
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wunderground re-launch
groundhog party mega-blizzard night meltdown


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BTW, there is something in the first 50 comments of this blog which make lines on the right cut off even in FF. At least, for me.
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Quoting BahaHurican:
I'm liking the "lighter" look of things, for the most part.�
HOWEVER, for some reason I'm not getting all messages wrapped to the width of the viewing section for messages....
Two examples on this page are messages 70 and 85.� Right hand side of the messages are so far off the page that I can even see the [ ], [-], [!} or [hide] buttons....

Another example is that all messages that are automatically hidden for me (e. g. message 114) are by definition too far off the page to the right for me to unhide them...

Some help with this would be great.


IE top menu: choose Tools, click Compatibility View, refresh.
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..Communication Breakdown,..
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I'm liking the "lighter" look of things, for the most part.
HOWEVER, for some reason I'm not getting all messages wrapped to the width of the viewing section for messages....
Two examples on this page are messages 70 and 85. Right hand side of the messages are so far off the page that I can even see the [ ], [-], [!} or [hide] buttons....

Another example is that all messages that are automatically hidden for me (e. g. message 114) are by definition too far off the page to the right for me to unhide them...

Some help with this would be great.
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Quoting hklinker:
Overall, I like the new format. I am getting used to finding the information. One challenge I have is the size of the text. I don't know if it's the change of font or what, but it just seems smaller to me.


You can change the text size in your browser (top menu, View/Zoom or Text Size) and on the site (3 A's at the end of any blog header).
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Loved Weather Underground from the first time it was recommended to me. Still not a fan of the new format. But extended forecast tab persisting as a default when I return is a first step. I think if the extended info could be placed in the right hand panel, (Paying subscriber should definitely have that option!)that might be seen as really listening to their loyal users.

I haven't heard a reason why such secondary or tertiary material was put in place of the ads on the right panel - I certainly understand why the ads are placed there.

I'm still wondering why new web pages don't use the full real estate of the screen - no one has explained that either - I feel pages that leave the margins empty waste an opportunity to deliver content in the field of human vision. The old style listing of favorites (with more info) and a wunderphoto thumbnail (I'm a big fan) was a great place for the favorites.

I'm in favor of a version the new site allowing positioning of the panels, too (and would pay for it, too!)
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Overall, I like the new format. I am getting used to finding the information. One challenge I have is the size of the text. I don't know if it's the change of font or what, but it just seems smaller to me.
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I don't really like the favorites being on top and the icons are smaller, but on the classic page, the local time doesn't automatically update after about a half hour anymore, but it does on the new page. Anyone know why that is?
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In my opinion, I think the changes are not in the viewer's best interest. The opening page does not go to my area but a town over 20 miles away. Then I have to click on my town. The weather map is not right there at the opening. Frankly the layout is not to be desired by me. I am only one user of many. Perhaps others like the new site. Fine I am sure WU did their research and found that the changes were necessary. I like the original format. I knew my way around the old the site like the back of my hand. NOW I have to look for what I want.

That is my two cents.
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105. rdjw
Hurrah for CQI! It's going to take me a while to figure out all the new ways of doing things. I depend on this site, and have done for many years, and hope to for many more. I really miss my five-day at the top, though. It's my "at-a-glance" look, and since my company audits our internet use for "inappropriate use," (i.e. it has to be work-related) I like to get in and out again very quickly. And I want to keep up - I want to not just pop over to "classic view" because this old dog does not want to stop learning new ways.

How 'bout another suggestion? You are halfway there already. Make the different sections re-positionable by the member. You specialize in weather, with web technology being the delivery tool. So you're not a "portal," and may not want to go down that path, but it would give us die-hard weather nuts a way to manage our preferences. Need to fund it? Offer it as a "gold membership" for twice your already very modest fee. I'd sign up in a heartbeat, and I bet others would, too.

We in New Mexico have had some abnormally severe weather this past week, and on Tuesday everyone in my immediate cubicle vicinity was looking over my shoulder at your 40-frame radar animation. A lot of us (myself included) got home before conditions became really bad.

Keep up your excellent work and many thanks.
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I would like to see bigger icons on the forecast....it is so tiny I can't tell if those are raindrops or snowflakes.
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Only a Dunce would fail to recognize the Feedback is overwhelmingly negative, generally with complaints about commonly disliked particulars -- and suggestions to overcome these perceived faults.

As in ANY crowd, there's a group (TINY, here !!!) who disagree with most, and have the audacity to interpret they are "right" and all others are wrong -- and thus deserve to be roundly insulted !!! Worse: reduced to be so strident in their ridicule, they become oblivious to how they're progressively regarded as repugnant !!??

I disagree with those who seem to be confident their suggestions shall be heeded -- but if that mollifies them, I'll just silently sit by and not attempt to make them miserable, like those who make fools of themselves, being obnoxious.

I know a select few of long-time Blog & Photo Contributors were asked for commentary; but
apparently little was taken seriously from the replies by a few I know. Hopefully the "WU" management won't fail to overlook the reality that many Website Visitors who DON'T choose
to spend much time here, will simply move on to alternative weather data sources, probably
unaware of the facilities enabling their input --or just unwilling to spend any time complaining.
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Generally, I like the new layout. Here are a few things I have noticed that I think would benefit from some tweaking.

1. I liked how I could see the text of the current conditions on my favorite places on the old site that I can't see with the favorites bar across the top now.

2. I think it is a downgrade to have to click on each day to see the 7 Day NWS forecast.

3. I would like an option to delete more than one piece of my PWS data at a time, so when the sun hits my temperature sensor for an hour I don't have to reload it 30-60 times and delete one piece of data at a time.

Otherwise, good work!
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While I like the faster loading of the new site, and there is a lot of great info on a single page, there are two key changes that have me using the classic view:
1. The "Favorites" ribbon at the top of the page only shows the 1st 5 of my 11 favorites, and there's no way to scroll it to see the rest.
2. I'm unable to find the Hourly Forecast information for a given day.

For that reason I will continue using the classic site until such time as I have '1-step' access to all of my Favorites, & Hourly Forecast information.

That said, keep up the great work... I've been using WU for over 10 years and find it to be, without a DOUBT, the very best weather forecasting information that's ever been available.
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A Weather site Format change is "Big Change"?



Man,,some folks are really gonna be freaked out when the Mayans show Up then,








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Context: As a designer I find most websites badly designed--I come to WU mainly because you provide the best and clearest filter for the standard NOAA weather forecasts. I use the info for aviation and daily planning and from your data often interpret more accurate forecasts than any of the more popular WX sources eg TV/radio/weather.com etc. Esp useful for precision forecasting (eg is it really going to rain/snow on *me* and when) are hourly forecasts and moving fronts and radar images as well as actual WX discussions. FYI I am a member because $5 small price to pay for faster site w no ads. I expect large portion of your audience similar.

Review: Your old site was hideous but fairly easy to use; the new site *looks* better but IA weaker--more scrolling is required to access same data--ie poorer use of valuable "above the fold" real estate. Also, while I support "power-user" interfaces eg expandable nav (testing shows most regular users adapt quickly) some of your IA choices here are a bit oblique/challenging. (Did you do any user research prior to overhaul?) Probably biggest strategic error is making the new site look more generic/like other weather sites--primary redesign/business goal should have been to differentiate yourself (eg as the "real weather site"--not just make "cleaner."

Also from user marketing standpoint, WU missed opportunity to get regular users/members onboard by telling them in advance and by soliticing their input in new design. (Any chance you made classic mistake of letting the IT geeks call the shots?)

FWIW new site looks alot like classic takes on modular page design from Microsoft, MYWay etc--which allowed users to customize layout. You might consider that as next step.

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