Monday It Will be 80 degrees in Yellowknife

By: Dr. Ricky Rood , 6:49 PM GMT on July 13, 2014

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Monday It Will be 80 degrees in Yellowknife

The forecast for Monday in Yellowknife in the Northwest Territories is for a high temperature of about 80 F. Pretty nice. Sunday it’s predicted to be 80 in Inuvik, here’s a link to the Inuvik Weblog: Saving lives above the Arctic Circle!

Of course the more important news is that “Temperatures could drop to sweatshirt weather by Tuesday, when an unseasonably cool pool of air is expected to reach the northern and northeastern U.S.” (In Washington Post, July 10 2014, many other press sources as well) This cool air will be coming with a nice animated name, The Polar Vortex. Actually that’s not quite true, it’ll be coming with a confused heritage. According to the Capital Weather Gang, “A memo was emailed from the NWS’ Central Region to local offices directing forecasters to cease use of the term [polar vortex] according to Chris Vaccaro, director of NWS public affairs.” Perhaps it will come with “Cool Temps but “no” Polar Vortex.”

It’s all too complicated for me. I’m going to stay in the easy west, go someplace like Inuvik (at end of Dempster Highway) where it will be nice and warm. It would be easier to get to Boise, Idaho where today’s (Saturday, July 12, 2014) high was 105 F, tomorrow 102 and Monday 103. Lytton, British Columbia is likely to be over 100 F. These temperatures, about 20 F above normal, must be a typical excursion, because, well, there’s no weather feature with an animated name.

Now it’s going to be pretty nice in Yellowknife, temperature wise, but they are having some trouble with air quality due to the forest fires. They aren’t helped by the nice weather, according to Judy McLinton, a spokeswoman for the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (Canada), who says, “It’s going to start heating up again and heat up during the weekend. And it’s going to be hot again even all the way to Inuvik and the Sahtu.” So far, however, the fire season has not been as bad as last year.

The polar vortex was pretty neat last winter. Even I wrote a whole series of blogs that talked about the polar vortex. I was trying to explain the vortex prior to it becoming a media event after cold air, uninteresting out west, moved to the east. Had I only been smart enough to call it “the polar vortex” in that blog. Let’s see, the polar vortex ended up in WUWT and the The Cato Institute as they attacked John Holdren’s Video on the Polar Vortex. Therefore, as a solidly political term, it’s a good idea to bring it back.

Enough. I am not secure in my satire. My tutorials and summaries on hot and cold, the Arctic oscillation and isolated polar air are linked at the bottom. I will, however, repeat a figure I used in the blog I posted on December 8, 2013.

Here is a figure from the European Center for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF), that I have marked up a bit. The colors are the temperatures at the 850 hecto-Pascal surface, which is about 1.5 kilometers above the surface. The 850 hecto-Pascal temperatures are a good indicator of where it is hot and cold at the surface.



Figure 1: This figure is from the point of view of someone looking down from above at the North Pole (NP). The contour lines on the figure are the height of the 500 hecto-Pascal surface, which is between 5 and 6 kilometers above the surface of the Earth. The colors are the temperatures at the 850 hecto-Pascal surface, which is about 1.5 kilometers above the surface. The 850 hecto-Pascal temperatures are a good indicator of where it is hot and cold at the surface. For completeness with my example, the big, black dashed line is the jet stream of air flowing around the pole. Figure from the European Center for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF)

Back in December, I drew a blue arrow showing that the cold air at the pole had wobbled off of the pole and was pushed towards Colorado. To the west there was warm air, red arrow, pushing up towards Alaska. So while it had been cold in Colorado, it had been quite warm in much of Alaska. I used this as a real-world example off the hot and cold contrast that is characteristic of wobbles in the jet stream. These wobbles have warm air poleward, displacing the cooler air from the pole, pushing it south.

Here is a similar figure valid for July 14, 2014. There is a complete description of the figure here. The jet is far weaker in summer, less continuous than in the winter (bold, dashed arrows). In fact, it is difficult to define a single “polar vortex.” A blue arrow shows the cool air that is pushed towards the Great Lakes. To the west there is hot air, red arrow, pushing into western Canada. Being summer, it is far warmer at the pole than in winter. Still the Arctic is a place of cool air compared to the middle latitudes.




Figure 2: This figure is from the point of view of someone looking down from above at the North Pole (NP). The contour lines on the figure are the height of the 500 hecto-Pascal surface, which is between 5 and 6 kilometers above the surface of the Earth. The colors are the temperatures at the 850 hecto-Pascal surface, which is about 1.5 kilometers above the surface. The 850 hecto-Pascal temperatures are a good indicator of where it is hot and cold at the surface. For completeness, the big, black dashed line identifies the jet stream. Figure from the European Center for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF)


This is an unusual pattern for the summer time. There are several intrusions of warm air towards the pole, and there are centers of cooler air, I count 5 of them, distributed around the middle latitudes. The cool air, which will be centered on the Great Lakes, is displacing hot air, which is present over much of the U.S. The predicted high in Dallas, Texas on Monday is 103 F. In fact, as we get towards Monday, the predicted high in Ann Arbor, Michigan is 78 F, which is not that cool. (Medium and long-range weather forecasts are less reliable in summer than winter.)

Is the weather story here, really how cool it is?

Is there purpose to this entry? Doing a news search of “polar vortex,” there is an indelible relic of an uncharacteristic cold spell related to the return of the polar vortex. This is followed by even more links to there being a cold spell, but it’s not the polar vortex, or it is some diminished personification of the polar vortex. The original focus on the polar vortex as an explanation of the cold (in eastern North America) was, perhaps, a well-intentioned simplification. Perhaps it was meant to grab readers, watchers, listeners and web-site traffic. As the polar vortex mutated through the media, it was recognized early as naïve, mocked by comedians, dismissed as scientifically imprecise and politicized. It then becomes a trigger, that supports the doubt that is the goal of the political argument to disrupt climate-change and energy policy. This is a case when the pursuit of simple metaphors and snappy descriptions of complex events fuels the rhetoric. It is a fundamentally flawed tactic of communication and a fundamentally robust way to capture attention and fuel disruption. We must do better.

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Previous entries on hot and cold:

Cold and Snowy and Warm and Wet

Previous entries on Arctic Oscillation:

Climate Change and the Arctic Oscillation 2

Climate Change and the Arctic Oscillation 1

Wobbles in the Barriers

Barriers in the Atmosphere

Behavior

Definitions and Some Background

August Arctic Oscillation presentation

CPC Climate Glossary “The Arctic Oscillation is a pattern in which atmospheric pressure at polar and middle latitudes fluctuates between negative and positive phases.”

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302. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
2:14 AM GMT on July 25, 2014
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301. bappit
1:59 AM GMT on July 25, 2014
CB1 needs to take a break.
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300. ColoradoBob1
1:27 AM GMT on July 25, 2014
Let us make this pact -

Every denier that comes here, we beat them like a rented mule. As hard we can.
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299. ColoradoBob1
1:14 AM GMT on July 25, 2014
Quoting 297. Xyrus2000:



I'm more amused by the lengths you go to find new ways to further decrease any credibility (of which you have none) and/or perception of intelligence you may posses.

I'm thinking the internet isn't the best place for you.

It's the chip monk brain trust Passing one nut to the next nut. On and on and on.

Never mind the nuts are rotten , lust keep passing the nuts.
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298. ColoradoBob1
1:01 AM GMT on July 25, 2014

292. Xulonn

i didn't come here because they tossed me off a turnip truck
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297. Xyrus2000
1:01 AM GMT on July 25, 2014
Quoting 288. Cochise111:

Another hysterical piece from the members of the New World Order Society of Climate Fraud. This article just demonstrates how desperate these so-called scientists have become. They are grasping at straws and will do anything to keep their dream of a warming world alive. Read it and be amused.

Link




I'm more amused by the lengths you go to find new ways to further decrease any credibility (of which you have none) and/or perception of intelligence you may posses.

I'm thinking the internet isn't the best place for you.
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296. ColoradoBob1
12:55 AM GMT on July 25, 2014
292. Xulonn


These features are entirely new.

If you think this is part of the last 10,000 years , You are a fool . Because the world is stripping ideas liked a lonely raccoon .

Xulonn

Never lecture me about the Earth , ever.
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295. ColoradoBob1
12:25 AM GMT on July 25, 2014
292. Xulonn

I'm an old driller , and an older student of geology .

If you you don't believe that , look at my avatar , it was shot at -50 F.
I was on an Ammaco contract , we were drilling the Strawberry . In Utah

Please never lecture me about nature, pockets of cold , or gas pockets.

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294. Naga5000
11:45 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Quoting 288. Cochise111:

Another hysterical piece from the members of the New World Order Society of Climate Fraud. This article just demonstrates how desperate these so-called scientists have become. They are grasping at straws and will do anything to keep their dream of a warming world alive. Read it and be amused.

Link




I think you forgot to tape your tin foil hat on today.

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293. ColoradoBob1
11:40 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
To the mods - this is statement of fact

There are chip monks brighter than Cochise111, it's not an insult it's statement of fact.
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292. Xulonn
11:29 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Quoting 287. ColoradoBob1:
These blow outs in Siberia ain't part of our recent past, and they should scare the pants off anyone with a degree in geology .
Excuse me, Bob, but didn't we already cover this? I accepted the explaination of the process by "A-Team" at the Arctic Sea Ice Blog's Permafrost Forum - and there is no evidence that it was caused by methane combustion, e.g. "explosions. It seems plausible to me that this process, which is the proposed process responsible for the creation of the numerous karst lakes in the region, and has not been active for about 8,000 years, is now happening again. A-team's explanation makes sense to me, and I cannot accept the methane explosion hypothesis which seems to be purely over-reaction with little to back it up.



Quoting "A-Team" (from the Arctic Sea ice Forum
The Siberian Times has excellent coverage again with another couple dozen photographs. Looking at the vegetation growing in and on the rim mud (no rocks here) -- considering the six week growing season -- it is abundantly clear that the bog huckleberry is not new growth but has been present the whole time.

Thus this was not a high energy event and even moderate heat was never in the picture. Nothing has burned: the darkening of the walls is simply air oxidation of iron and manganese present in the reduced state in the anaerobic subsurface permafrost, which lines and melts into this drained thermokarst lake. You would see exactly the same thing in any soil pit in waterlogged soil in the US.

You can clearly see extensive drainage channels on the eroded and largely collapsed parapet. This may have just been a 20 m frost heave mound (pingo) with high ice content with surface soil left behind as the ice melted and drained, not even burped-up mud from periodic over-pressurization of melt water...

...What I expect to see there is the feature is 1-2 years old. Permafrost melted, possibly forming a visible lake. That melted the frozen ground underneath.

Come winter, the top 1-2 meters froze solid. The liquid water continued to melt its way downward. Gases came out of solution but could not escape due to the ice cap. (Alternatively, a deeper underground gas seep was able to migrate upward through water or softer ice.)

Come spring, the ice cap softened enough that the gas pressure underneath was enough to blow it off, along with a bit of water, ice and top soil. Nothing ignited, this was not an explosion, just taking a warm champagne bottle shaken until the cork flies off.

The most intriguing comment has been from the Russians, saying academic papers from the '80's dated similar nearby thermokarst lakes, all to 8,000 years ago (Holocene warming episode), apparently attributing them to the same mechanism. If so, we may be entering this regime again, though one swallow does not make a summer.

This predicts the walls will continue to collapse for a while as the crater walls are now exposed ice. There being no underground drainage, the crater will widen and fill up with water, ending up looking just like the adjacent lakes.

The whole ridge may be in effect a giant frost heave, predicting that new craters will occur along the ridgeline plateau.
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291. ColoradoBob1
11:24 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
288. Cochise111

There are chip monks dying in California, that have a better brain than you .
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290. Patrap
11:20 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Quoting 368. barbamz:

Sweden agency hikes heat warning to 'extreme'
The Local, Published: 24 Jul 2014 09:41 GMT+02:00
Swedish weather agency SMHI has raised its weather warning to class 2, giving notice of "extremely high temperatures" in parts of the country.
A class 2 warning means that temperatures have been over 30C for five days in a row, or are expected to reach 33C [91,4F] for three consecutive days.
The heightened warning applies to large parts of Svealand and the entire area of Norrlandskusten in northern Sweden. Regions affected include Stockholm, Uppsala, Örebro, Värmland, Västmanland, Södermanland, and Dalarna.
Multiple cities experienced record-breaking temperatures yesterday, with Umeå reaching 32.2C - the hottest the city has been since 1882. ...



Level 2 warning n Sweden. Source.
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289. ColoradoBob1
11:18 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
We world we knew , its not the world we will live in .
This extinction event is well under way.

Plants and animals are going over cliff

All so we can buy and sell cars. That is the only thing that natters.
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287. ColoradoBob1
10:23 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
These blow outs in Siberia ain't part of our recent past, and they should scare the pants off anyone with a degree in geology .

But first and foremost these are not pingos. Pingos don't make giant holes in the Earth , they make large wedges of ice moving to the surface, in short they make little mountains , not smooth shot like holes , deep in the Earth.
With the ejecta around the hole . There was no fire , just a really large gas blow-out. With a really large amount of force. If it's comes during an electrical storm , all bets are off . Or if it comes when raindeer herder is smoking. his ass is off to Allah.

I have theory about this type of gas release in the Arctic Ocean , a ship will sail into one of these releases , and explode , because there was very little wind to move the gas .

All these oil shippers need to think about this , the Arctic Ocean may eat you as you try to sail it. It's not just going melt and be calm , it's going to "fizz" like a Seven-Up for hundreds of years.

I see oil tankers sailing into gas pockets , and exploding. , never be to seen again.
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286. bappit
10:20 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Here's a lecture from the Scripps Institute MOOC that might be interesting. There are more, but I'll just post this to avoid flooding the blog with a wall of links/text/posts. Spamming the blog is counterproductive.

International Trade in Coal Affects Regional Emission Policies, Adaptation's International Components: Money, Knowledge; Unilateral Climate Change Problem Solutions

I'd like to see more discussion of issues like what this lecturer brings up.
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285. ronnm
9:58 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Lower Cal I don't consider their view as being valid. As mentioned, I think it is colored by self interest. By my conjecture any solution lies in a combination of approaches, that take into account the differing economies.

But it is what it is.
The deniers glomming onto this as in any way, a statement of denial, is just flat plain wrong. It is nothing of the sort. It says the current approach to solving it, is wrong. Nothing more nor less.

Those on the far right(some of them) believe the atmosphere could be blanketed with light dispersing particles. I don't agree with that as well.The approaches to solution are as multiple as our imaginations.

The pool of deniers is rapidly diminishing by leaps and bounds. The talk of solutions speaks to that most clearly. Most all in higher circles, not outwardly courting certain members of their base, agree on that.
Like the dissolution of the tobacco does not cause cancer crowd, always will some exist. It is just that their pool of belief becomes so shallow, as to be irrelevant in any discussion. We are at that point to my opinion.

We really should fill blogs with potential solutions in that vein. That is the real issue now. As the meeting attests there is significance of difference in opinion. Painting it as socialist as opposed to capitalist and all the rest will really just allow inaction to continue. Which is a bit I suppose what this meeting was about.

Many to include oil producing states will benefit by inaction. We can only hope that pool of self interest does not dominate the discussion. All must be included in the solution to which I don't doubt you agree. So components of all approaches must be inclusive. The degree of domination of solution part, being determined by consensus opinion.

Here in the US for instance we are largely dominated for good or bad, by a religious context of things. I can find substance within our religious choice as a nation, that adheres to the notion we are tasked with properly managing this great gift of life on earth we have been given. I have yet to hear any politician in the US however, stating this opinion, in connection to this issue. It however, considering our heritage, must be a necessary component of any solution and impetus to action. Instead we are still taking sides and talking of the science, which really is becoming irrelevant, as science wise it already is a proven, as much as things of this sort may be.
The politicians on the left are completely denying the reality of this politic, and the politicians on the right are adhering to what is probably a minority view within their religion itself, it being a gods will thing.
So again there is inaction and we here in the US remain leaderless. All sides must be included in a solution.



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284. ColoradoBob1
9:52 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Quoting 283. ColoradoBob1:

I’ve done some reading on pingos , and as we know them. These 2 holes look nothing like the ones we’ve seen in the recent past.

First , the permafrost begins to melt, in a low area, deep underground a large wedge of really frozen ice is relieved of it’s frozen over burden. and rises in the center of the pingo . This whole process makes what amounts to a Mexican Hat on the tundra, with a ring of melt water round the crown of the hat.






These new holes are not pingos as we know them.
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283. ColoradoBob1
9:49 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
I’ve done some reading on pingos , and as we know them. These 2 holes look nothing like the ones we’ve seen in the recent past.

First , the permafrost begins to melt, in a low area, deep underground a large wedge of really frozen ice is relieved of it’s frozen over burden. and rises in the center of the pingo . This whole process makes what amounts to a Mexican Hat on the tundra, with a ring of melt water round the crown of the hat.

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282. barbamz
9:46 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Germany unlikely to meet carbon reduction targets for 2020
Deutsche Welle English, July 23, 2014
Germany’s environment ministry believes it’s unlikely Germany will meet its 2020 greenhouse gas reduction goals. They say the country will come up seven percent short, but critics say it could be even worse. ...

Community forestry helps save the climate
Deutsche Welle English, July 23, 2014
Deforestation is a major source of climate-harming CO2 emissions. A new report shows this is drastically reduced when indigenous and traditional communities have the right to manage their own forests.
One eighth of the world's forests are owned or managed by local communities, many of them indigenous. A study by the World Resources Institute (WRI) and the Rights and Resources Initiative (RRI) - a global coalition of organizations working for the rights of local communities - has examined deforestation rates in these areas and compared them with those of government-or privately-owned forests in 14 tropical countries.
The results show a striking difference. "When the rights of communities are respected, they are far more effective than governments or the private sector in protecting forests," says RRI coordinator Andy White.
White cites the Bolivian Amazon, where deforestation on community land is six times lower than in government-owned forests. The figure is 11 times lower in the Brazilian Amazon, 20 times less in areas of Guatemala and a staggering 350 times lower in Yucatan in Mexico. ...
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281. ColoradoBob1
9:45 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Is This the Compost Bomb’s Smoking Gun? Second Mysterious Hole Found in Yamal Russia

Yamal, Russia — a stretch of tundra flats and peat bogs stretching as far as the eye can see before terminating into the chill waters of the Kara. A rather stark and desolate place, one that was mostly unknown until a massive and strange hole appeared in the earth there last week. Since that time, the strange hole has been the butt of every kind of wild speculation and controversy.

The hole itself was an alien feature. “We haven’t seen anything like this before,” would be an entirely accurate statement. All about the hole was a large pile of debris — overturned earth, huge chunks of soil piled up in a signature very familiar to the ejecta of a meteor impact crater.

Approaching the hole edge, we came to a gradual slope that proceeded downward for about 40 feet at about a 35 degree incline. Along the surface of this incline, both the unfrozen soil cap and the frozen permafrost were visible.

But it wasn’t until we hit the bottom edge of this incline that we encountered the strangest feature of all — a sheer cliff, rounded in a shape like the smooth bore of a gun, and plunging straight down through icy permafrost for about another hundred and twenty feet before revealing a basement cavern slowly filling with melt.


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280. LowerCal
9:20 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Quoting 276. ronnm:

To be clear Hugo Chavez who set the tone for the present state of Venezuela, with the election of his successor Mudero was not a denier.

Here is a excerpt from a speech he made in Copenhagen prior to his demise.

Well then, Mr. President, climate change is undoubtedly the most devastating environmental problem of this century. Floods, droughts, severe storms, hurricanes, melting ice caps, rise in mean sea levels, ocean acidification and heat waves, all of that sharpens the impact of global crisis besetting us.

Current human activity exceeds the threshold of sustainability, endangering life on the planet, but also in this we are profoundly unequal. …...


His contention was that the approach to it is hindered from a inordinate western impetus into its solution.
Was his opinion colored by the fact Venezuela depends upon oil for much of it income nationally? I would say definitively, yes.
Apart from that Venezuela the government are anything but denying AGW. The conclusion from meeting was indeed colored by economic ideology but none are stating this is not occurring. It is the approach to solving it, they are disputing.

Thanks for those points.

The more developed countries will have to find a way to provide incentive to the less developed to not follow the same path of development. However, the way I read the English translation of the Margarita Declaration the current "green economy" steps are rejected and all worldwide social, economic and historical inequities must be remedied with no concrete steps proposed for that.
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279. ColoradoBob1
9:02 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
276. ronnm

I try not to run down these endless wabbit holes the reptilian brains cook up anymore , but your trip down this one came up with several nice wabbits .

Here's yer Atta Boy.

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278. ColoradoBob1
8:55 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Song of Flood and Fire Refrain: Epic Canadian Floods Wreck 5.5 Million Acres of Cropland.

For the Northwest Territory of Canada, the story this summer has been one of record-setting wildfires. Fires casting away smoke plumes the size of thunderstorms, fires that burn regions of tundra the size of small states. Fires that just burn and burn and burn for weeks on end.

But to the south and east in Saskatchewan and Manitoba, the story is drastically different. For over the past month, unprecedented flooding in this region has wrecked untold damage to Canada’s farmlands.


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277. ColoradoBob1
8:50 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
The Alps -
Local resident Ramon Haas told the paper: “It was the storm of the century. I’ve never seen anything like it.”

According to MeteoNews, 27 litres of water per square metre fell between midnight and 5am around Interlaken.

Storms and heavy rain have battered Switzerland of late, and don’t show signs of abating just yet, with thunder and more rain forecast for Friday


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276. ronnm
8:39 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
To be clear Hugo Chavez who set the tone for the present state of Venezuela, with the election of his successor Mudero was not a denier.

Here is a excerpt from a speech he made in Copenhagen prior to his demise.

Well then, Mr. President, climate change is undoubtedly the most devastating environmental problem of this century. Floods, droughts, severe storms, hurricanes, melting ice caps, rise in mean sea levels, ocean acidification and heat waves, all of that sharpens the impact of global crisis besetting us.

Current human activity exceeds the threshold of sustainability, endangering life on the planet, but also in this we are profoundly unequal. …...


His contention was that the approach to it is hindered from a inordinate western impetus into its solution.
Was his opinion colored by the fact Venezuela depends upon oil for much of it income nationally? I would say definitively, yes.
Apart from that Venezuela the government are anything but denying AGW. The conclusion from meeting was indeed colored by economic ideology but none are stating this is not occurring. It is the approach to solving it, they are disputing.
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275. LowerCal
8:06 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Quoting 261. tramp96:

Hmmmm here is the reality of the movement

Climate change conference calls for an end to capitalism


A climate change conference held in Venezuela involving roughly 130 green groups has ended with a call to end capitalism and reject carbon markets, reports RTCC.
....
"Venezuela relies heavily on the use of hydrocarbons, or the extractive economies, to support their anti-neoliberal socialist policies."
....

.... reality of the (green?) movement

Naah, just the false impression you'd like to create.

You gave no attribution for your copy and paste but it does mention "reports RTCC" so I'll check that source.

....
The Margarita Declaration was issued at the end of a four-day meeting of around 130 green activist groups, which the Venezuelan government hosted ....
Link

A list of the participants is at Link. You'll note that over half of the participants are Venezuelan groups. Not included among the Venezuelan participants are "the 34 Venezuelan NGOs who rejected their invitation to the gathering, due to concerns that it would provide an opportunity for the government to push their socialist agenda."Link

Now your copy and paste even says, "it remains unclear who in fact signed the controversial declaration."

Putting it all together: A socialist nation that relies heavily on income from a nationalized fossil fuel industry and has the largest oil and gas reserves in the world along with huge reserves of the dirtiest non-conventional oil deposits Link hosts a (stacked deck) conference of green activist groups that ends with a declaration that rejects the "green economy" (which encourages green growth through carbon markets and clean energy investments) and blames capitalism for global warming.

Not quite the story you thought it was, is it?

What we can take away that isn't really surprising is that any entity (be it corporation, industry, or state) that is heavily vested in the value of an inventory of questionable safety will resort to any kind of trickery and rhetoric to preserve or prolong the value of that inventory.


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274. JohnLonergan
7:59 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Report: Climate Change Skeptics Could Reach Catastrophic Levels By 2020

“The fact that the very existence of global warming somehow remains a topic of contention demonstrates that the density of these skeptics has spiraled out of control,” McCarthy said, citing data from the report showing that the concentration of the most ardent deniers recently reached a previously unheard-of 1,500 people per million. “While the U.S. remains the planet’s largest producer of climate change skeptics, countries halfway around the world are suffering environmental destruction from the actions of these people who refuse to acknowledge the threat of extreme weather conditions and rising sea levels. The effects of these outspoken deniers are truly global in scope.”


Read the full story ...
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273. ColoradoBob1
7:18 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
World's Biggest Fish Seek New Home

The largest living fish, whale sharks, may increasingly be using volcanic islands off the western coast of Europe as a new home as sea surface temperatures rise, researchers say.

This finding could shed light on how climate change might alter the behavior of fish globally, the scientists added.


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272. ColoradoBob1
6:06 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
The fires in Siberia are marching north :

Terra/MODIS
2014/205
07/24/2014
03:20 UTC
Smoke from Russian fires

Link

Aqua/MODIS
2014/205
07/24/2014
03:30 UTC

Link
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271. ronnm
5:43 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Venezuela first is not communist but socialist. Many nations are socialist, publicly adhering to it to include India, the most populous of nations. Socialism as per Karl Marx is a step towards communism in classic theory. But there have evolved many degrees of socialism, and many who certainly espouse it, with no desire for communism, and amongst those who espouse for socialism, there are nations that have little in the way of social programs to incite it. Much has evolved since KM first wrote his thesis.

That aside, of course Venezuela will work against the idea of controlling oil consumption. It has nothing to do with socialism or communism, they have a oil exporting base economy. So they work, as do all countries, politically for their self interests, which is in this specific, against movements which will limit oil consumption.
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270. Xulonn
5:38 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Quoting 259. JohnLonergan:
Craig Loehle’s new paper “A minimal model for estimating climate sensitivity”.
One of my skeptic friends e-mailed me about this paper this morning - and here's my response to him:

Regarding your reference to the Craig Loehle paper (which is behind a paywall): I start off very skeptical, because Loehle, a well-known AGW/CC denialist who has had run-ins with Michael Mann, is a mathematical ecologist and not a climate scientist. He is also a favorite of hard-core industry funded denialist Anthony Watts, as well as the business-based Heartland Institute.

Loehle was co-author of a 2011 paper paper in a low-rated journal that elicited this response: (from Dana at SkepticalScience):

"What the science says...Loehle and Scafetta's paper is nothing more than a curve fitting exercise with no physical basis using an overly simplistic model."

I also told my friend that I will wait to see what those more knowledgeable than me say with respect to this new paper - does it establish a physical basis for it's conclusions in addition to simple "mathematical speculation"?

I am also concerned that the model attempts to correlate atmospheric CO2 increases only with surface temperatures, and ignores the 95 or so percent of the heat imbalance that is going into the world's oceans. Albert Einstein is often quoted as saying "make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" and I think this model might be over-simplified to the point of being irrelevant. The heat that is going into the oceans (it isn't hidden, yet it's a challenge to measure) will flow into and out of the atmosphere and render simple CO2-atmosphere temperature relationships irrelevant..
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269. Naga5000
5:28 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Quoting 268. FLwolverine:

267 - written before I read Naga's comment about denialist sites. I would have edited 267 but didn't want all the $&2345-/:&$ codes to show up in the edited version. You would think any moderately competent IT team could fix that glitch..........


No worries. I'm sure there are legitimate sites reporting it, but reporting it correctly instead of making up some Communist takeover narrative not supported by evidence.

The sad part is even in that little blurb posted here, there is so much gish gallop that requires contextual debunking that it is a waste of time to bother with all the "points". What I find really appalling is that fact that our denialist friends can't see through it. That makes me very pessimistic about our future...and angry.
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268. FLwolverine
5:06 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
267 - written before I read Naga's comment about denialist sites. I would have edited 267 but didn't want all the $&2345-/:&$ codes to show up in the edited version. You would think any moderately competent IT team could fix that glitch..........
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267. FLwolverine
5:00 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
262 - Naga - the site where I found the article on the Venezuelan climate conference looks like it would be a good source of news about political and social aspects of CC. "Respond to Climate Change" is affiliated with the UN and carries a wide range of news stories. I don't know where Tramp got his information; some denialist site was probably cherry picking quotes from the original article.

RTCC also has a blog, and I found this piece by two people from "rethinking economics" to be quite interesting, as are the comments to it:

Climate Change Means We Must Rewrite Economics Textbooks

The reality is that the economists that are currently produced by many of the world’s top-ranked universities are severely ill-equipped to make judgments on what is good for society.

We are not taught to scrutinise the ethics of our judgments; we are not taught to recognise the boundaries of our discipline; and we are not encouraged to think critically about our methods.

Harvard economist Gregory Mankiw has asserted that “like most economists” he doesn’t “view the study of economics as laden with ideology”. He recently wrote that the “dirty little secret” of economics who give policy advice is that they become political philosophers. “Our recommendations are based….on our judgments about what makes a good society,” he said.

Mankiw’s view that economics is value-free and apolitical is reflected in his macroeconomics textbook – the predominant textbook for undergraduate teaching.

And yet economists must make both explicit and implicit ethical judgments all the time: in selecting what level of welfare present and future generations ought to enjoy through the use of ‘discount rates’ within economic models; and in using monetary measures such as prices to indicate worth, despite many people considering many things in life – humans, human relationships, parts of our natural world – priceless.
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266. ColoradoBob1
4:59 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Scientists To Resume Digging Wyoming Cave After 30 Years

The oldest fossils in the cave could be more than 100,000 years old

The Natural Trap Cave in north-central Wyoming is unlike any other cave. It’s an incredible treasure trove of the late Pleistocene period fossils. The 85-feet deep cavern has bones of tens of thousands of animals forming a 30-feet mound at the bottom. Entrance of the cave is just 12 x 15 feet, and it’s so well hidden that animals (even humans) can’t notice it until they have almost fallen in.


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265. Naga5000
4:40 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Quoting 263. FLwolverine:



You mean, the goals of a small number of so-called green groups and the Venezuelan government.

Venezuelan Climate Summit Calls for End to "Green Economy"

While it is unclear who signed the declaration, it contrasts with the views of many national governments, which see the transition to a green economy as underpinning efforts to tackle climate change.

The declaration also conflicts with the UN%u2019s own schemes to tackle climate change.
..........

Objections to the concept of a %u201Cgreen economy%u201D, which encourages green growth through carbon markets and clean energy investments, prompted a walkout at the Rio 20 summit in 2012.

Some developing countries are concerned that this model could put them at a commercial disadvantage, and that rich countries should instead focus on how to transfer cash and sustainable technologies to poorer nations.

Venezuela, a staunchly socialist government, has long opposed the %u201Cgreen economy%u201D concept, alongside other Latin American countries including Argentina, Bolivia, Cuba, Ecuador, and Nicaragua.

But the opinions of civil society are more mixed. CAN International, a coalition of green NGOs which was present at the Social Pre-COP, said that REDD is %u201Ckey to emissions reductions%u201D in the manifesto that it released before the UN%u2019s last climate conference, in Warsaw last year.

One participant at last week%u2019s meeting told RTCC on condition of anonymity that: %u201CIn terms of being a neutral observer, [the Venezuelan government] do have their views and they definitely have their ways%u201D.

- See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/07/22/venezuela-climate-s ummit-calls-for-end-to-green-economy/#sthash.bUthj YUX.dpuf

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Really, Tramp, try not to use such a broad brush when you're attempting to smear.



He literally has nothing else so he has to copy/paste from Steven Goddard's site without attribution with no actual fact checking and no basis in reality.

Tramp is just a good little sheep, sharing and posting without ever once questioning or verifying the validity of the information. The information itself solely exists in the echo chamber of climate denial. Right Wing website reports with no ciation -> Goddard copy/pastes entire article -> article gets spread throughout the denial blogosphere -> individuals blindly report it thinking they found an "Aha!" moment for the 5 billionth time -> people based in reality laugh.

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264. FLwolverine
4:39 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Quoting 248. Cochise111:

The NCDC "adjusts" (read: corrupts) the data compiled by a 101 year old weather observer. As if this is any aberration. It's what they've done with all of the historical climate data:
(Link to lame denialist site deleted)
This is another fake tempest in a teapot brewed up by WTFUWT. Apparently the illiterati have to be fed regularly to keep them clicking. HotWhopper has been discussing and debunking this nonsense here.
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263. FLwolverine
4:30 PM GMT on July 24, 2014


You mean, the goals of a small number of so-called green groups and the Venezuelan government.

Venezuelan Climate Summit Calls for End to "Green Economy"

While it is unclear who signed the declaration, it contrasts with the views of many national governments, which see the transition to a green economy as underpinning efforts to tackle climate change.

The declaration also conflicts with the UN’s own schemes to tackle climate change.
..........

Objections to the concept of a “green economy”, which encourages green growth through carbon markets and clean energy investments, prompted a walkout at the Rio+20 summit in 2012.

Some developing countries are concerned that this model could put them at a commercial disadvantage, and that rich countries should instead focus on how to transfer cash and sustainable technologies to poorer nations.

Venezuela, a staunchly socialist government, has long opposed the “green economy” concept, alongside other Latin American countries including Argentina, Bolivia, Cuba, Ecuador, and Nicaragua.

But the opinions of civil society are more mixed. CAN International, a coalition of green NGOs which was present at the Social Pre-COP, said that REDD is “key to emissions reductions” in the manifesto that it released before the UN’s last climate conference, in Warsaw last year.

One participant at last week’s meeting told RTCC on condition of anonymity that: “In terms of being a neutral observer, [the Venezuelan government] do have their views and they definitely have their ways”.

- See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/2014/07/22/venezuela-climate-s ummit-calls-for-end-to-green-economy/#sthash.bUthj YUX.dpuf

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Really, Tramp, try not to use such a broad brush when you're attempting to smear.
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262. Naga5000
4:29 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
#261, any reliable source besides Professional Liar%u2122 Steven Goddard and right wing tin foil hat news City AM? What a misrepresentation.

This is the quote:

" The structural causes of climate change are linked to the current capitalist hegemonic system.

To combat climate change it is necessary to change the system."

Explain to me how this is incorrect and supports Communism? Do you know what the word hegemonic means? Do you understand the concept of structuralism in a social sense?

Lame, Tramp, even by your standards.

I won't hold my breath since you don't even bother to link to the sources of this crapfest.

Go troll elsewhere.
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260. indianrivguy
3:43 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Two Realities

I think this is worth the peruse... the unspoken elephant on the globe is population... and how many of us are able to live our current lifestyle and still have a healthy ecosystem globally.

from the article;
snip

How different physical reality is. Simple arithmetic shows that growth in population and consumption cannot continue indefinitely. In his book The No-Growth Imperative, Gabor Zovanyi offers an illustration: %u201CIf our species had started with just two people at the time of the earliest agricultural practices some 10,000 years ago, and increased by 1 percent per year, today humanity would be a solid ball of flesh many thousand light years in diameter, and expanding with a radial velocity that, neglecting relativity, would be many times faster than the speed of light.%u201D Today%u2019s global population growth rate of 1.1 percent per year is obviously unsustainable over any significant time frame. Growth in consumption levels faces similar practical limits.
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259. JohnLonergan
3:16 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
From Richard Telford's Musings on Quantitative Palaeoecology:

A minimal model for estimating climate sensitivity

One of the classic tells that a fake climate skeptic is trying to squeeze a weak paper into the literature is that they submit it to a journal where it falls outside the usual scope of papers published there. The problem is that the editor is not familiar with the relevant literature nor with the most suitable reviewers and the paper does not get the robust peer review that it might get at a more appropriate journal. Roy Spencer’s paper in Remote Sensing is an exemplar of this ruse. (Someone wrote an article about this and other schemes fake skeptics use for publishing, but I cannot find it now.)

So when I see Craig Loehle’s new paper “A minimal model for estimating climate sensitivity” breathlessly announced by the ever credulous Anthony Watts, my scepticism is raised several notches when I see it is published in Ecological Modelling, rather than a journal with a climate focus.

We should not, of course, condemn this paper just because it is published in an inappropriate journal. There are many more reasons.

Loehle attempts to isolate the anthropogenic signal in the instrumental climate record by removing the “natural multi-decadal cycles”. The anthropogenic trend is then compared with the increase in log(CO2) to calculate transient climate sensitivity. This procedure is described as ” fewest possible assumptions and the least data uncertainty”. What could possibly go wrong?


Read on to find out ...
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258. ColoradoBob1
2:15 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Now There Are Two Weird Holes in Siberia

From the Moscow Times:

Reindeer herders in Russia's Far North have discovered yet another mysterious giant hole about 30 kilometers away from a similar one found days earlier.
Located in the permafrost of the subarctic Siberian region of Yamal, which means “end of the earth” in the local Nenets language, both craters appear to have been formed in recent years and have icy lakes at their bases.


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257. JohnLonergan
12:55 PM GMT on July 24, 2014
Neil deGrasse Tyson exclusive: “I don’t know what kind of democracy that is, if you’re gonna cherry-pick … science because it conflicts with your philosophy”


Salon q-and-a: Neil deGrasse Tyson takes on climate deniers, challenges scientists to speak up before it's too late
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256. indianrivguy
11:55 AM GMT on July 24, 2014
Quoting 229. Xulonn:

I've seen it only called bubonic plague when Googling for more info - and in the linked article. However, pneumonic is of the three types of plague manifestations - in the lungs.

Air pollution is not as bad in the high desert (~5,000' elevation) area of Yumen as in other regions of China, so probably not as many compromised immune systems among the population as in other parts of China.





saw something the other day that I found interesting... Apparently, cats were aligned with the Devil by Churches and Clergy in those days. They were actively sought out and killed. With their numbers drastically reduced, rat populations exploded in the cities.. and thus, the "carriers"of the infected fleas had no more predators.... the speculation of the show was that this was a significant factor in the plague spread..
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255. ColoradoBob1
8:48 AM GMT on July 24, 2014
Aqua/MODIS
2014/204
07/23/2014
06:05 UTC
Fires and smoke in eastern Russia

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254. ColoradoBob1
4:06 AM GMT on July 24, 2014
State or emergency in Siberia’s largest permafrost region – due to wildfires

More than one thousand people were evacuated from their homes in the Sakha Republic – also known as Yakutia – which is the largest region of the Russian Federation, while states of emergency are also in effect in other major regions such as Kransnoyarsk and Irkutsk.

Famed for its cold and permafrost, Sakha is now under siege from wildfires.

Vyacheslav Popov, head of the republic’s Forestry Department, said: ‘The area of wildfires doubled. There are 37 active wildfires in the republic right now covering the territory of 76,000 hectares. There is a threat to eight settlements in five areas of Yakutia”


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253. ColoradoBob1
3:02 AM GMT on July 24, 2014
Northern Sweden warmest in 90 years
Published: 11 Jul 2014 08:54 GMT+02:00

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252. ColoradoBob1
2:57 AM GMT on July 24, 2014
Northern Hemisphere On Fire: Large Smoke Clouds Still Blanketing World’s Roof

Epic Russian Fires The Worst of the Lot

In Russia, states of emergency remained in place along with continued travel restrictions over broad sections of Yakutia as a very large swath of Siberian tundra continued to belch immense billows of smoke. Numerous fires of over 400 square miles in size are plainly visible in the satellite shot. Massive streams of smoke continue to issue from these blazes blanketing more than 2,000 miles of sky.

Yakutia is a region of Russia sitting atop a massive pile of thawing permafrost, perhaps the most carbon-rich zone in all of the Arctic Northern Hemisphere. The fires there seem to burn both woodlands and ground, lingering for many weeks and are only extinguished by the most powerful of downpours. Wildfires in these shots appear to rival the massive blazes ripping through a nearby region during Russia’s worst fire season — 2012. The massive plumes of very dense smoke and explosive blazes — reminiscent of a record-setting year.


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