Why is climate change different?

By: Dr. Ricky Rood , 10:25 PM GMT on March 27, 2014

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Why is climate change different?

This blog was motivated by a question on piece that I posted in the Michigan Journal of Sustainability, The Conversation: Climate Change: A Fundamental Shift of Our Place in the World.

Climate change means that the average surface temperature of planet will warm, that ice will melt, that sea level will rise and that the weather will change. Climate change is a unique environmental challenge. One aspect of its uniqueness is that we have knowledge with adequate certainty that we can anticipate and plan for climate change. This type of knowledge of the climate of the Earth is knowledge that the generations that preceded us have not had. It is knowledge that we can use or that we can squander.

1) As I stated in Climate Change: A Fundamental Shift of Our Place in the World, the science-based reality of climate changes stands as a fundamental breakthrough of human knowledge. We have the ability to transform the very nature of the planet – and we are doing so. Our individual and group perception of our place in the world is changed. We have to assume the responsibility of what we are doing to the planet. There is the responsibility of how we use the knowledge that we have generated of the ways the planet will change.

2) There is no going back. We should strive to make the best future possible. Ecosystems are changing rapidly, and they will continue to change. Our agriculture will need to adapt. When there are ecosystem disruptions such as fires and storms, the recovery will be in a different climate. The familiar idea of conservation to protect and conserve is challenged at its foundation. How we build the things that we build will need to change. Returning to the climate that we grew up with is not possible.

3) Compared to the classic problems of air and water pollution, the scale of climate change is truly global. We’re melting ice (takes a lot of energy). We’re warming the ocean (takes a lot of energy). We’re heating the surface air temperature. We’re changing ecosystems.

4) Compared to the classic problems of air and water pollution, the length of time that the carbon dioxide pollutant remains with us is long. If we were to turn off the carbon dioxide pollution today, the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would not just go away. If you turned off carbon dioxide pollution, then the Earth will continue to warm.

5) Carbon dioxide pollution is a measure of societal success. When we think of air and water pollution we think of a contaminant such as mercury that is trace element from burning coal - or a spill of something bad into the water. We immediately think we can remove the contaminant, turn off the spill or contain the bad chemicals. Carbon dioxide pollution is different, because our economic success comes from the use of energy and our use of energy remains linked to burning fossil fuels. Release of carbon dioxide is therefore a measure of societal success. Carbon dioxide is not a trace contaminant of a bigger process; carbon dioxide pollution is the process.

6) The impacts of climate change are greater for people in future generations. Because the length of time that carbon dioxide pollution remains with us is long and its spatial extent is global, we have a difficult time conceiving how to address the problem. What we do today to reduce pollution is often viewed as hurting us in the short term with the benefit being for those not yet born. This strikes against our collective sensibilities.

7) Climate change is not a problem that we can fix and then forget about. The success of our billions on the Earth requires us to alter our environment. With climate change our environment becomes global.

Therefore, our success requires us to alter our environment, to manage our pollution and, hence, to manage the climate. We are too many and too consuming to live the fantasy that the Earth is large enough that the spoor of our enterprise is safely absorbed by the ground, the air and the rivers, lakes and oceans. The more we pollute, the greater the change, the more difficult the adaptation.

We have never lived in a time when the future was without peril. The knowledge that the climate will change gives us an idea of what some of the peril will be. We have the ability to anticipate and adapt to that peril. We can lessen the peril. For all the generations we can imagine, the climate will be changing. Some would say that has always been true. Today we know how it will be changing.

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754. Xandra
8:30 AM GMT on April 18, 2014
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753. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
4:51 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
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752. no1der
4:50 AM GMT on April 09, 2014

Quoting 742. Xulonn:
Ding! Ding! Ding! Paging Yoboi...

Neven has a message for you from PIOMASS...


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751. BaltimoreBrian
4:39 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
You're welcome AlwaysThinkin!
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750. AlwaysThinkin
4:22 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
Quoting 737. BaltimoreBrian:
AlwaysThinkin, I'm glad you found the article about the decline of protein production in cereals useful. I mentioned my rating system on Dr. Masters' blog but I'm not sure I posted it here. * means an article is above average importance or interest. *** means more so, and !!! means the most important of all. That was one of the !!! articles.


Aaaah now I get it. Wasn't sure if the stars or the exclamation point meant top priority. Thanks man. And thanks for posting so much amazing relevant stuff!
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749. BaltimoreBrian
3:50 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
FLwolverine he reminds me of a program in BASIC spitting out the same dozen questions and statements with a random word shuffle thrown in ;)
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748. FLwolverine
3:48 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
Quoting 746. Xulonn:
Now we know you're making things up - because there is no link in my post.

If you're talking about theoildrum.com, I actually participated in the discussions there for for several years, and read Dr.Bardi's posts.

And what is not true? As usual your post contains no useful information.
Perhaps that was just the next comment on his list for the day?
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746. Xulonn
3:21 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
Quoting 743. yoboi:
Not true....just wondering did you read what you link?
Now we know you're making things up - because there is no link in my post.

If you're talking about theoildrum.com, I actually participated in the discussions there for for several years, and read Dr.Bardi's posts.

And what is not true? As usual your post contains no useful information.
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745. yoboi
3:14 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
Quoting 697. schwankmoe:


'batboy' is obscene? lolwut? this has to be a joke.



Nah the joke is the math.....17 yrs 8 months....please provide a lat& long where the heat is trapped....TIA we discuss this daily in class.............
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744. yoboi
3:00 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
Quoting 731. Naga5000:


Another group using a similar name. More of the real real being set aside for the fake real. Hyperreality at it's finest. Link

I'm sure our usual friends will flood the blog with it soon enough.



good to see ya link too real science.........
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743. yoboi
2:57 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
Quoting 736. Xulonn:
Dr.Bardi was a much appreciated commenter at TheOildDum.com forums a few years ago.

Theoildrum.com focused on peak oil - the end of cheap conventional oil. Now that we have passed that point, TheOilDrum has been shut down, but left up and online for archival purposes.

Next to go in the oil industry will be the overblown fracking boom for oil in the U.S. The easy plays of that extremely fast-depleting resource have been tapped. Those familiar with the oil exploration and production sectors are aware that in a couple of years, the large, but difficult remaining plays are so expensive to produce that the global economy will probably not be able to afford to run on such expensive oil. The liquid, energy dense resource known as petroleum is critical to global transportation, and when it is no longer affordable for many uses, such as moving goods, we will be in a heap of trouble.

Of course, what I have written above is just a speculative generalization based on following petroleum news over the years, but I haven't seen a legitimate source that presents a good argument against it.



Not true....just wondering did you read what you link????????
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742. Xulonn
2:40 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
Ding! Ding! Ding! Paging Yoboi...

Neven has a message for you from PIOMASS...

Quoting Neven:

It seems that last year's rebound [in Arctic sea ice volume] has been fully negated after a couple of relatively warm months (the flipside of cold outbreaks in the US) and 2014 will start out at approximately the same level as previous years.

After the last minimum ended up being 1700 km3 above that of record year 2012, the current modeled volume for March 31st is 241 km3 below last year's. The difference with 2011 was 401 km3 at the end of February, and has even increased to 480 km3. Other than that volume is now lower than all the other years in the record. Who would've thought this back in September? Well, the Arctic does as the Arctic will.


(Bold is mine.)
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740. BaltimoreBrian
2:17 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
Quoting 685. Waltanater:
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737. BaltimoreBrian
1:43 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
AlwaysThinkin, I'm glad you found the article about the decline of protein production in cereals useful. I mentioned my rating system on Dr. Masters' blog but I'm not sure I posted it here. * means an article is above average importance or interest. *** means more so, and !!! means the most important of all. That was one of the !!! articles.
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736. Xulonn
1:09 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
Quoting 712. JohnLonergan:
Greg Laden has been very busy today:

Frontiers Editor Ugo Bardi Resigns..
Dr.Bardi was a much appreciated commenter at TheOildDum.com forums a few years ago.

Theoildrum.com focused on peak oil - the end of cheap conventional oil. Now that we have passed that point, TheOilDrum has been shut down, but left up and online for archival purposes.

Next to go in the oil industry will be the overblown fracking boom for oil in the U.S. The easy plays of that extremely fast-depleting resource have been tapped. Those familiar with the oil exploration and production sectors are aware that in a couple of years, the large, but difficult remaining plays are so expensive to produce that the global economy will probably not be able to afford to run on such expensive oil. The liquid, energy dense resource known as petroleum is critical to global transportation, and when it is no longer affordable for many uses, such as moving goods, we will be in a heap of trouble.

Of course, what I have written above is just a speculative generalization based on following petroleum news over the years, but I haven't seen a legitimate source that presents a good argument against it.
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735. Xulonn
12:39 AM GMT on April 09, 2014
Quoting 685. Waltanater:

Why the "personal attack" there? Did I say anything to you to warrant that? That double post of mine was accidental. (I thought it didn't post the 1st time).

I was actually posting a snarky parody of your silly whining about Brian's cartoon by copying your words. So you are actually calling your own words a "personal attack" - which I find amusing.

You didn't recognize your own words?

And you still did not delete one of your double posts by editing it and replacing the text in one of them with a single word or simply a period the only option since WU does not allow people to actually delete their own posts.

That's what considerate people would do.

Since you're asking Brian to be "considerate" with respect to your post, I only thought it reasonable to ask you to be considerate by eliminating one of your double posts.
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734. JohnLonergan
11:43 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 729. pcola57:
Heartland's still cranking out the manure..

"Comprehensive Report Documents Beneficial Impacts of Global Warming"

I'll let those interested Google it..

I'll not insult the blog by linking it..


All you ned to know about Heartland Institute NIPCC Climate Denier Craig Idso: “Climate Change Is Good For You” from DesmogBlog.
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733. pcola57
11:08 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 730. Patrap:
I bet itsa gonna get some play.

But the media tide has turned to Actual Science in a Big way so far in 2014.



Agreed Pat..
Thanks to you and all concerned here for keeping the message foremost and clear..
The rest is fodder..
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732. ColoradoBob1
11:07 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Earlier I posted a link about the drought " Ensenada To Ration Water — And It’s Only Spring "

320,000 people only get water 2 days week , and the pressure isn't enough to run a shower.

Link

The drought in San Palo is 1.5 million people.

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731. Naga5000
11:07 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 729. pcola57:
Heartland's still cranking out the manure..

"Comprehensive Report Documents Beneficial Impacts of Global Warming"

I'll let those interested Google it..

I'll not insult the blog by linking it..


Another group using a similar name. More of the real real being set aside for the fake real. Hyperreality at it's finest. Link

I'm sure our usual friends will flood the blog with it soon enough.
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730. Patrap
11:05 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
I bet itsa gonna get some play.

But the media tide has turned to Actual Science in a Big way so far in 2014.

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729. pcola57
11:03 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Heartland's still cranking out the manure..

"Comprehensive Report Documents Beneficial Impacts of Global Warming"

I'll let those interested Google it..

I'll not insult the blog by linking it..
Member Since: August 13, 2009 Posts: 13 Comments: 6878
728. ColoradoBob1
10:48 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Watch the first episode of Years Of Living Dangerously:

PR at 680-

JUSTICEBURG — Lake Alan Henry lost roughly 4 billion gallons of water to evaporation in 2011 before the city of Lubbock took a drop.

That’s twice as much as the city takes from the lake in a year.

Just four years ago, heavy summer rains flooded the lake. But that banner year was followed by the driest year on record and quickly receding water levels. Today, the city’s only reservoir is a little more than 60 percent full.

Evaporation has licked up more than expected, thanks to a lingering drought and sweltering temperatures. Still more water is simply missing, according to federal government data. The water in the lake is a costly commodity for Lubbock — more expensive than most cities throughout the state.

“I’m worried, from a scientific standpoint, about the sustainability of the reservoir,” USDA soil and water management researcher David Brauer told A-J Media.

With $245 million invested in Lake Alan Henry, could the city’s investment turn into a mud hole as Lake Meredith did?

“If we continue with this drought, I don’t think there’s any doubt,” Lubbock Mayor Glen Robertson said.

“We’ve paid a lot of money and continue to pay a lot of money for that water.

“I don’t think anybody thought we’d be here this quickly.”


Link
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726. ColoradoBob1
10:45 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 724. Patrap:


Anthony Watts Hard Drive

Or his bank account.
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725. ColoradoBob1
10:39 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 720. ColoradoBob1:
Watch the first episode of Years Of Living Dangerously:

PR at 680-

Many thanks for this one . I'm at Lubbock, Texas.

Just before this drought came -
2008:
Lubbock recorded a 24-hour record rainfall when 7.80 inches fell 11-12 September. The extreme rainfall broke the previous record of 5.82 inches, set on 18-19 October 1983. A all-time calendar day rainfall record was also set with 7.46 inches falling on the 11th. This one day total broke the previous record of 5.70 inches, set on 1 June 1967.

Link


3 years later , the worst drought in Texas history.

As a system nears a tipping point, it moves to the extremes.
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724. Patrap
10:34 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 722. ColoradoBob1:
Obscene:

Willful ignorance .



Anthony Watts Hard Drive
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722. ColoradoBob1
10:30 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Obscene:

Willful ignorance .

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721. JohnLonergan
10:28 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
PIOMAS April 2014 from Neven

Another month has passed and so here is the updated Arctic sea ice volume graph as calculated by the Pan-Arctic Ice Ocean Modeling and Assimilation System (PIOMAS) at the Polar Science Center:



Last month's tentative conclusion has definitely been confirmed for now:

It seems that last year's rebound has been fully negated after a couple of relatively warm months (the flipside of cold outbreaks in the US) and 2014 will start out at approximately the same level as previous years.


After the last minimum ended up being 1700 km3 above that of record year 2012, the current modeled volume for March 31st is 241 km3 below last year's. The difference with 2011 was +401 km3 at the end of February, and has even increased to +480 km3. Other than that volume is now lower than all the other years in the record. Who would've thought this back in September? Well, the Arctic does as the Arctic will.

The graph produced by Wipneus shows a bit more clearly how 2014 is just below the other trend lines, with 2011 some further below:



Continue reading "PIOMAS April 2014" »
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720. ColoradoBob1
10:25 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Watch the first episode of Years Of Living Dangerously:

PR at 680-

Many thanks for this one . I'm at Lubbock, Texas.

Just before this drought came -
2008:
Lubbock recorded a 24-hour record rainfall when 7.80 inches fell 11-12 September. The extreme rainfall broke the previous record of 5.82 inches, set on 18-19 October 1983. A all-time calendar day rainfall record was also set with 7.46 inches falling on the 11th. This one day total broke the previous record of 5.70 inches, set on 1 June 1967.

Link
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717. indianrivguy
9:19 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
714. ColoradoBob1 4:43 PM EDT on April 08, 2014


Nobody is testing for Corexit... all the shrimp, fish, shellfish... no testing..
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716. etxwx
9:07 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Afternoon reading...

Water pollution fight intensifies in Hubei Province, China
Hubei province, a key water source for northern regions and a center for grain farming, is increasing measures to fight water pollution. The provincial legislature has approved a regulation on preventing and treating water pollution, and it will take effect in July, said Zhou Hongyu, its deputy chairman and a national lawmaker. The new regulation includes punishment for polluting enterprises and a strict accountability system for officials, Zhou said. Companies that cause pollution will be subject to daily fines until they take measures to address the problem. Liu Yaming, director of the Yangtze River Water Conservancy Commission under the Ministry of Water Resources, said it is important to have laws and regulations on water protection.

Europe dams its last wild rivers
Europe intends to slice through its last wild rivers with a series of dams. The new hydropower stations will deliver much-needed power to the region, but may also change the face of the Balkans forever.

The discovery of water changes lives in Kenya
The discovery of vast water reserves in Kenya's dry north could change the lives of people across the country. But even as locals celebrate, some worry that corruption will deny thirsty communities their right to water.

Oklahoma swamped by surge in earthquakes near fracking
There have been more earthquakes strong enough to be felt in Oklahoma this year than in all of 2013, overwhelming state officials who are trying to determine if the temblors are linked to oil and natural gas production.

Maryland mulls moratorium on wind turbines
ANNAPOLIS, Md. (AP) — Gov. Martin O’Malley says he still has misgivings about a bill to set a 13-month moratorium on the development of tall wind turbines within 56 miles of the U.S. Naval Air Station Patuxent River base in southern Maryland.

Feds: Gas accounted for half of new US power generation in 2013
HOUSTON – Natural gas continues to eat into coal’s share of U.S. power generation, accounting for more than 50 percent of the nation’s new generating capacity last year, according to a new report.
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715. FLwolverine
8:59 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 711. tramp96:

Too complex for the models?
Do the models have everything they need to correctly
predict the future?
Are the figures they receive accurate?
Are you willing to read any of what's been written about climate models - how they work, why they work? Or do you just want to go with the denialist line that "they're not reliable"?
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714. ColoradoBob1
8:43 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Gulf Oil Spill "Not Over": Dolphins, Turtles Dying in Record Numbers

Report warns that 14 species are still struggling from the 2010 disaster.

Link
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713. ColoradoBob1
8:42 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
70% Chance of El Nino Extreme Weather Event in 2014: Australian Meteorologists

Link
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712. JohnLonergan
8:29 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Greg Laden has been very busy today:

Frontiers Editor Ugo Bardi Resigns Over Recursive Fury Botch Job


Ugo Bardi is a scientist who until a few moments ago served as Chief Specialty Editor at the journal Frontiers. As you know, Frontiers has recently retracted a perfectly good paper, initially indicating that the retraction was due to pressure from the climate science denialist community, who did not like the paper because it was about them. Later, Frontiers changed its tune and claimed that the paper was retracted because of ethical violations of the authors, even though the journal had earlier clearly stated that there were no issues, ethical or otherwise, with the paper. I talk about this here.

Bardi has resigned over this kerfuffle. Bardi mentions the contrasting positions by Frontiers on this paper, and also points to recent trouble foisted on Lawrence Torcello by the science denialist community. Bardi then states:

The climate of intimidation which is developing nowadays risks to do great damage to climate science and to science in general. I believe that the situation risks to deteriorate further if we all don’t take a strong stance on this issue. Hence, I am taking the strongest action I can take, that is I am resigning from “Chief Specialty Editor” of Frontiers in protest against the behavior of the journal in the “Recursive Fury” case. I sent to the editors a letter today, stating my intention to resign.


Ugo is being very brave here, because now that he has taken this action he may well be next on the list for the climate science denialists to go after. Of course, I have a feeling he’s been in that position before because he is a strong and articular spokesperson for climate science.

Bardi also notes something that I’ve also been concerned about. He and I are big supporters of OpenAccess journals. Frontiers is a major player in that area, and I saw their acquisition a while back by Nature Publishing Group as an excellent move in the direction of increased OpenAccess publication. I don’t assume that there is a connection between being OpenAccess and BoneHeaded. But this, as Bardi says, may be a bit of a setback for this important movement.

Ugo, thank you for your service and your bravery.
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710. JohnLonergan
8:08 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 709. FLwolverine:
Greg Laden has also posted a discussion of the latest paper by Michael Mann examining the AMO and Judith Curry's stadium wave hypothesis. Link

"The paper under consideration here, %u201COn Forced Temperature Changes, Internal Variability and the AMO%u201D by Michael Mann, Byron Steinman, and Sonya Miller, addresses the Stadium Wave issue (and other matters). This is a very complicated study and if you really want to understand it I recommend getting at least a Masters Degree in Atmospheric Science then sitting down with it for a long time. The way I got through the paper was asking the lead author a bunch of questions. Here, I mainly want to address the Stadium Wave issue. The short version of the story is this: Curry%u2019s Stadium Wave is an artifact of her methods. A second and probably more important finding is that the AMO, previously thought to have contributed to warming surface temperatures over the last ten years, is now thought, based on this new analysis, to have contributed to a relative flattening out of the warming, and thus may account for the so-called %u201Chiatus%u201D in part."


Dame Judith will be perturbed

Further down, after discussing Wyatt and Cirry's statistical methods, Greg Laden states:

Go back, if you dare, to the abstract from Curry%u2019s paper. Back when I used to teach multi-variate statistics for grad students (co-taught with a brilliant statistician, I quickly add) this is the kind of abstract we would look for to use in class. It demonstrates an all too common error, or at least potentially demonstrates it well enough to examine as an exemplar of what not to do. Climate systems are complex.
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709. FLwolverine
7:31 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Greg Laden has also posted a discussion of the latest paper by Michael Mann examining the AMO and Judith Curry's stadium wave hypothesis. Link

"The paper under consideration here, “On Forced Temperature Changes, Internal Variability and the AMO” by Michael Mann, Byron Steinman, and Sonya Miller, addresses the Stadium Wave issue (and other matters). This is a very complicated study and if you really want to understand it I recommend getting at least a Masters Degree in Atmospheric Science then sitting down with it for a long time. The way I got through the paper was asking the lead author a bunch of questions. Here, I mainly want to address the Stadium Wave issue. The short version of the story is this: Curry’s Stadium Wave is an artifact of her methods. A second and probably more important finding is that the AMO, previously thought to have contributed to warming surface temperatures over the last ten years, is now thought, based on this new analysis, to have contributed to a relative flattening out of the warming, and thus may account for the so-called “hiatus” in part."
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708. FLwolverine
6:53 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Quoting 702. Xandra:
From Greg Laden's Blog:

Climate Trends in the Arctic as Observed from Space: It’s melting. Fast.

Posted by Greg Laden on April 7, 2014




Could someone please explain why we should NOT be alarmed about this?

Bob Carter? Roy Spencer? Judith Curry? Any of their fans who post here?

Anyone?
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706. etxwx
5:12 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Post #690 with the link to Science or Spin?
Assessing the Accuracy of Cable News
Coverage of Climate Science


Highly recommended. It's a very readable report, and very helpful in accessing coverage. It also gives practical recommendations for improving coverage. Thanks, John, for posting that.
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705. no1der
5:09 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Fort McMurray is widely known as 'Fort McMordor'.


Quoting 703. Xandra:
From DeSmog Canada:

How to describe Frt McMurray from air? So big, black and fiery. Biblical imagery perhaps? Like Hell?

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704. etxwx
4:36 PM GMT on April 08, 2014
Analysis:
On Fracking Front, A Push To Reduce Leaks of Methane

by Roger Real Drouin April 07, 2014

Excerpt: Loose pipe flanges. Leaky storage tanks. Condenser valves stuck open. Outdated compressors. Inefficient pneumatic systems. Corroded pipes.

Forty separate types of equipment are known to be potential sources of methane emissions during the production and processing of natural gas and oil by hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, of underground shale formations. As the fracking boom continues unabated across the U.S., scientists, engineers, and government experts are increasingly focusing on the complex task of identifying the sources of these methane leaks and devising methods to stop them.

Even among industry officials, there is agreement that getting control of methane emissions is an important issue. At heart it is an engineering problem, and solutions from government, industry, and academia are beginning to take shape. Analysts say that battling the problem must occur on two closely related fronts: tighter regulations at the state and federal level, and a commitment from industry to make the large investment necessary to stanch the leaks.
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