Are the changes in the Arctic messing with our weather? Analysis

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Are the changes in the Arctic messing with our weather? Analysis

In the last blog, I promised an analysis of why I conclude that what is happening in the Arctic makes it to my list of the big-ticket items of the past year.

I want to start with the work of Jennifer Francis and her collaborators. Professor Francis gave an excellent seminar in my department last week, which can be viewed here. This seminar uses as a foundation the paper Francis and Vavrus (2012), Evidence linking Arctic amplification to extreme weather in mid-latitudes. There is a whole set of coherent and convergent evidence that documents the changes in the Arctic. There is an increase in temperature, which is much greater in the Arctic than at lower latitudes and in the tropics (Polar or Arctic amplification). This has led to large changes in Arctic sea ice and springtime snow cover. There has been a lengthening of the growing season and an increase in activity in the northern forests – the greening of the Arctic (200 blogs ago, Getting Ready for Spring 5).

In the past, roughly, 15 years, there has been an observed change in the of the Arctic sea-level atmospheric pressure (see previous blog). The pressure is slightly higher, which leads to a weakening of the stream of air that flows around the North Pole. I wrote a tutorial about this in Wobbles in the Barrier. Also in the past decade there have been a number of researchers, for example, Liu et al. (2012) who in Impact of declining Arctic sea ice on winter snowfall – noted circulation patterns that have “ … some resemblance to the negative phase of the winter Arctic oscillation. However, the atmospheric circulation change linked to the reduction of sea ice shows much broader meridional meanders in midlatitudes and clearly different interannual variability than the classical Arctic oscillation.”

These papers lead to a few questions. Are the changes in the Arctic sea-level pressure a direct consequence of local changes in the Arctic, or are they more closely related to changes in global circulation patterns? Are changes in the Arctic sea-level pressure causing changes in weather in the middle latitudes? Are the differences we have seen in the past 15 years indicative of a climate-change related differences in weather patterns? Is what we have traditionally called the Arctic Oscillation changing?

Trenberth and Fasullo are following the heat of the warming earth, with the primary goal of understanding of how much heat is contributing to warming the Earth’s surface air temperature versus how much is going to heating the ocean and melting ice and snow. Their focus is on approximately the past 15 years. Therefore, they pay attention to known ways that the atmosphere and ocean vary (Some previous tutorials: Still Following the Heat and Ocean, Atmosphere, Ice and Land). Trenberth and Fasullo document the strong influence of the 1997-1998 El Nino. El Nino typically has a large effect on global temperature. The 1997-1998 El Nino was especially large. Trenberth and Fasullo show that the temperature in the atmosphere and oceans still remembers the 1997-1998 El Nino. They also examine the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, which is characterized by sea surface temperature differences being above (or below) average in the north-central Pacific while they are below (or above) in the north and east Pacific near the Aleutian Islands and the Gulf of Alaska. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation has been in a pattern of being cooler than average in the north and east Pacific since the 1997-1998 El Nino. Trenberth and Fasullo document a pattern that spans the globe, and the changes in the Arctic are part of that pattern. Conversely, their analysis would suggest that the global aspects of circulation pattern are too large to be caused by changes in the Arctic – it just takes too much energy.

What might be a scientifically based difference between whether changes in the Arctic are part of a global pattern or caused by the loss of sea ice changing the absorption and reflection of solar energy is to some extent not relevant to the question about weather patterns over the U.S. My experience in scientific controversies of this nature is that there are usually both global and local pieces to the puzzle. Further, changes in the U.S. weather could be directly linked to changes in the Arctic as well as to global patterns. In both the Trenberth and Fasullo and the Francis and Vavrus (2012) analysis there are consequential changes in jet stream pattern which is strongly influential to weather in the U.S. and, in fact, all of the middle latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere.

It’s not surprising that changes in the polar jet stream, the river of air that meanders around the North Pole, would have a profound effect on weather in the U.S. The waves that make up the weather systems of winter storms, for example, draw their energy from the environment that forms the jet stream. The jet stream steers these storms. In classes on dynamical meteorology, students learn that what is going on at the jet stream is often better information for forecasting weather than what is going on at the surface. Though there is a direct link between the jet stream and weather systems, the path of cause and effect in the changes in the Arctic, changes in the jet stream and changes to extreme events in the U.S. is not easy to map.

We have seen observations from Francis and Vavrus and Liu et al. (2012) that suggest large meanders in the jet stream. Both of these papers suggest that the scale of these meanders is unprecedented and does not fit easily into the framework we have used historically to describe the Arctic Oscillation - the primary way we describe correlated variability between the Arctic and the middle latitudes. In addition to the Arctic Oscillation, another characteristic we use to describe mid-latitude weather is blocking. Blocking describes a pattern of atmospheric flow, perhaps a particular configuration of the jet stream. Blocking slows or stops the normal west-to-east movement of storms around the Earth. Here is a nice description of blocking. Blocking is most common with high pressure, and high pressure is associated with the northern meanders of the jet stream. Note, blocking is associated with the meanders in the jet stream, but large meanders do not always mean that our definition of “block” is fulfilled. Blocking patterns are difficult to predict on a case-by-case basis. Blocking patterns are known to be associated with droughts, floods, heat waves and cold snaps. Therefore, when we look to a way that changes in the jet stream might change the weather over the U.S. we logically look a changes in blocking, which will discussed more fully in next blog.

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Climate Change and the Arctic Oscillation 2

Climate Change and the Arctic Oscillation 1

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Barriers in the Atmosphere

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Definitions and Some Background

August Arctic Oscillation presentation

CPC Climate Glossary “The Arctic Oscillation is a pattern in which atmospheric pressure at polar and middle latitudes fluctuates between negative and positive phases.”





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Quoting 842. cyclonebuster:


They didn't have zinc in pennies in my 6th grade...

And I thought I had a tough childhood!
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Quoting 830. VAbeachhurricanes:


Every 6th grade science class?


They didn't have zinc in pennies in my 6th grade...
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Quoting 756. Physicistretired:


The costs of 'fixing' the impacts of climate change are so much greater than the costs of avoiding it that you'd be hard-pressed to find any economist - right or left - that would disagree.

See, for example, this, this, and this.

I leave you with this:



And this, proposed 5 years ago now, by Dr. James Hansen:

Cap‐and trade is a hidden tax. 

"An accurate name would be cap‐and‐tax, because cap‐and-trade increases the cost of energy for the public, as utilities and other industries purchase the right to pollute with one hand, adding it to fuel prices, while with the other hand they take back most of the permit revenues from the government. Costs and profits of the trading infrastructure are also added to the public’s energy bill.

Fee‐and‐dividend, in contrast, is a non-tax. The fee collected at the first sale of oil, gas and coal in the country does increase the price of fossil fuel energy. But 100 percent of the fee is distributed monthly to the public as electronic deposits to the bank account or debit card of all legal residents, with half shares for children, up to two children per family."



So much more at the link.



As your graphic shows, the costs of climate inaction grows exponentially every ten years, until no amount of money spent would make any difference at all. This is because the longer we wait to act to cut CO2 emissions the steeper the cuts must be when we do act and this has economic costs associated with it. And that is to keep the warming below 2C.

Professor Richard Somerville has a graphic showing this.



Video - The graphic I refer to starts around 29:20 in the video.

The higher the reduction rate the higher the economic costs. Economists have said that an attempt to reduce the CO2 emissions by a 9% annual reduction rate would lead to economic collapse. Using the graphic as a best estimate, in 2020 we will have reached the point to where mitigation attempts to keep the warming below 2C will no longer be economically possible. The costs of adaptation will be much higher.
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839. yoboi
Quoting 835. Birthmark:

I'm going to do you a favor. Read this and get back to me.



Looks like something that I would have written....And your point?????
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Quoting 837. yoboi:

Yep. In 2008, we were in even worse economic straits, yet the unemployed barely favored Obama despite his promises. See how that works?
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837. yoboi
Quoting 819. VAbeachhurricanes:


That is not unfounded, how did Obama win the election in 2012? Promising more things for more people, healthcare, more unemployment benefits, etc. As I believe you said the public is stupid, when they realize they can vote to raise their own income without working they will.
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Quoting 831. yoboi:


Ya might need to make another addendum......VA was talking about the 2012 election.....Put hey why let facts get involved....


No need to be rude.
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Quoting 831. yoboi:


Ya might need to make another addendum......VA was talking about the 2012 election.....Put hey why let facts get involved....

I'm going to do you a favor. Read this and get back to me.
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Quoting 813. Astrometeor:


How about accumulation of happiness? Seems to work for some countries.

Idk really, just throwing out ideas.
Sounds good to me, though you might want to move to Denmark, number one on a recent list of the World's happiest nations.
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Quoting 832. Birthmark:

Don't tell him 'bout the taters. ;)


Or lemons... Imagine if we could run the world on citrus!!
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Quoting 830. VAbeachhurricanes:


Every 6th grade science class?

Don't tell him 'bout the taters. ;)
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Quoting 828. Birthmark:
Addendum to post 820:

The closest relevant question I can find in the 2008 Presidential Election Poll is, "Do You Work Full-Time?" Obama took the non-full-time workers by 50-58; but he took the full-time workers by 55-44. I think that puts your claim to rest. If people won't vote for a guy making promises of more benefits during an economic crisis at a rate higher than those who won't benefit, then it's unlikely that they'll do so during more normal economic times.


Ya might need to make another addendum......VA was talking about the 2012 election.....Put hey why let facts get involved....
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Quoting 829. cyclonebuster:
Who would think the penny in your pocket is a battery?


Every 6th grade science class?
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Who would think the penny in your pocket is a battery?
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Addendum to post 820:

The closest relevant question I can find in the 2008 Presidential Election Poll is, "Do You Work Full-Time?" Obama took the non-full-time workers by 50-48; but he took the full-time workers by 55-44. I think that puts your claim to rest. If people won't vote for a guy making promises of more benefits during an economic crisis at a rate higher than those who won't benefit, then it's unlikely that they'll do so during more normal economic times.
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Dupe.
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Quoting 822. Naga5000:


There is no research supporting the statement that the social safety net, and increases in it, disincentivizes people to work. In fact, social science research across the world has shown the opposite. (Even Adam Smith knew this, as he talks specifically about unemployment payments ans why these are necessary)

A simple debunking of this myth can be seen in European countries with much more supportive safety nets than ours.


Far beyond this, the economic harm from getting rid or slashing these programs is horrible as this money is usually dumped right back into the economy at local levels. Essentially a stimulus. Since the slash in food stamps, Wal-Mart (one of the largest companies responsible for low pay requiring their employees to use food stamps) has seen a down turn in income.


Those countries are completely different from the United States in terms of both population size and culture variation among the people. They are not good case studies to view how the USA would fare at all.

Quoting 821. Neapolitan:
That's nothing but recycled conservative BS. The right is so angry that Obama was elected that they have to manufacture reasons that happened; they simply can't come to grips with the fact that he was democratically elected--and didn't need the help of the Supreme Court. So it must be that his promises of free stuff put him in the White House, or that Dems cheated, or whatever. They just can't bring themselves to admit that he was vastly superior to both McCain and Palin, and then Romney and Ryan.

Pretty sad, really...


Never did I say that either of those candidates were better, they all stunk. They all don't get the grasp of what this country really needs or wants. I agree that he was democratically elected, however to say that his economics plan has worked is terrifying. Look at the economic indicators, this entire "better" economy is merely a bubble, the Debt to GDP ratio is above 100% and shows no sign of slowing down. We are on the way to another recession and he is doing nothing to slow that down.

Quoting 820. Birthmark:

No, I didn't say the public is stupid.

I can't find any Obama campaign promise about increasing unemployment. He did promise to extend them...but it was in the middle of the greatest economic collapse since the Great Depression. Comparing that to increasing GMI is ludicrous.

Healthcare was indeed a major campaign promise. The legislation largely was written by insurance companies. In fact, single-payer wasn't even on the table. So, I'm not sure why you think that bolsters your point, either.

I'm also interested in the "etc."


I apologize, it must have been someone else.

By more I did not mean raise, I was discussing the extended unemployment benefits. I don't have time to go back and find them, but heres a link to politifact about his promises. (I have actually read them all, I have no life haha)
Link
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Quoting 824. yoboi:



Seemed to be worth a penny.....


Very cheap energy source for pennies...
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Quoting 823. cyclonebuster:
How did you like my penny idea?



Seemed to be worth a penny.....
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How did you like my penny idea?
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Quoting 819. VAbeachhurricanes:


That is not unfounded, how did Obama win the election in 2012? Promising more things for more people, healthcare, more unemployment benefits, etc. As I believe you said the public is stupid, when they realize they can vote to raise their own income without working they will.


There is no research supporting the statement that the social safety net, and increases in it, disincentivizes people to work. In fact, social science research across the world has shown the opposite. (Even Adam Smith knew this, as he talks specifically about unemployment payments ans why these are necessary)

A simple debunking of this myth can be seen in European countries with much more supportive safety nets than ours.


Far beyond this, the economic harm from getting rid or slashing these programs is horrible as this money is usually dumped right back into the economy at local levels. Essentially a stimulus. Since the slash in food stamps, Wal-Mart (one of the largest companies responsible for low pay requiring their employees to use food stamps) has seen a down turn in income.
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Quoting 819. VAbeachhurricanes:


That is not unfounded, how did Obama win the election in 2012? Promising more things for more people, healthcare, more unemployment benefits, etc. As I believe you said the public is stupid, when they realize they can vote to raise their own income without working they will.
That's nothing but recycled conservative BS. The right is so angry that Obama was elected that they have to manufacture reasons that happened; they simply can't come to grips with the fact that he was democratically elected--and didn't need the help of the Supreme Court. So it must be that his promises of free stuff put him in the White House, or that Dems cheated, or whatever. They just can't bring themselves to admit that he was vastly superior to both McCain and Palin, and then Romney and Ryan.

Pretty sad, really...
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Quoting 819. VAbeachhurricanes:


That is not unfounded, how did Obama win the election in 2012? Promising more things for more people, healthcare, more unemployment benefits, etc. As I believe you said the public is stupid, when they realize they can vote to raise their own income without working they will.

No, I didn't say the public is stupid.

I can't find any Obama campaign promise about increasing unemployment. He did promise to extend them...but it was in the middle of the greatest economic collapse since the Great Depression. Comparing that to increasing GMI is ludicrous.

Healthcare was indeed a major campaign promise. The legislation largely was written by insurance companies. In fact, single-payer wasn't even on the table. So, I'm not sure why you think that bolsters your point, either.

I'm also interested in the "etc."
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Quoting 818. Birthmark:

Sorry, that's unfounded. Who is winning elections currently by promising to raise Social Security, Food Stamps, AFDC, etc.?

The answer is...no one. Nor would there be any reason to raise the GMI, except to track average income.

Additionally, GMI gets rid of hordes of government workers who currently administer the many programs. Nor should it raise taxes, if we fold Social Security into GMI. In fact, we *might* be able to lower income taxes.

EDIT: I should have said "median income" rather than "average income."


That is not unfounded, how did Obama win the election in 2012? Promising more things for more people, healthcare, more unemployment benefits, etc. As I believe you said the public is stupid, when they realize they can vote to raise their own income without working they will.
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Quoting 815. VAbeachhurricanes:


You know that what it will lead to, why will the people not continue to just vote for whoever promises to raise the GMI the most?

That would just never work.

Sorry, that's unfounded. Who is winning elections currently by promising to raise Social Security, Food Stamps, AFDC, etc.?

The answer is...no one. Nor would there be any reason to raise the GMI, except to track average income.

Additionally, GMI gets rid of hordes of government workers who currently administer the many programs. Nor should it raise taxes, if we fold Social Security into GMI. In fact, we *might* be able to lower income taxes.

EDIT: I should have said "median income" rather than "average income."
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Quoting 813. Astrometeor:


How about accumulation of happiness? Seems to work for some countries.

Idk really, just throwing out ideas.


Ideas are always welcome in a place of learning Astro.. :)
Happiness..
I believe we all could use more of that..
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Evidence that contradicts the ruling belief system is held to extraordinary standards, while evidence that entrenches it is uncritically accepted. -Carl Sagan
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Quoting 810. Birthmark:

Disappointing.

"Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy."
Link

GMI is nothing approaching socialism.

Currently, large corporations in America use the social safety-net as an augmentation for the low wages they pay to employees. GMI will eliminate that.


You know that what it will lead to, why will the people not continue to just vote for whoever promises to raise the GMI the most?

That would just never work.
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Quoting 811. yoboi:

I'll see your data set and raise you two.



You're down 3-1, and that's just among the data sets that that site will show. I can throw in a couple of more if you like. lol
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Quoting 812. Patrap:
Until the driving force of the Globe, becomes something other than he accumulation of wealth by Men and Nations, nothing much shall change .

We need a new archetype, badly.



How about accumulation of happiness? Seems to work for some countries.

Idk really, just throwing out ideas.
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Until the driving force of the Globe, becomes something other than the accumulation of wealth by Men and Nations, nothing much shall change .

We need a new archetype, badly.

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811. yoboi
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Quoting 806. VAbeachhurricanes:


Yes it would be, haha you would be giving people wages, from other peoples tax dollars. Regardless of their work or quality of their work.

Disappointing.

"Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy."
Link

GMI is nothing approaching socialism.

Currently, large corporations in America use the social safety-net as an augmentation for the low wages they pay to employees. GMI will eliminate that.
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Decent definition of Socialism on Wikipedia..for what it's worth.. :p

I always get communism and socialism mixed up..
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Quoting 805. AlwaysThinkin:
Strange to hear Milton Friedman called a 'Socialist'. I think it would actually make Socialists more mad that Milton Friedman was called one of them :D

I'm pretty sure you're right! :)
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Quoting 801. Patrap:
Bush 43 Doubled the debt in 8 years, Obama Doubled the Stock Market since 09...or 5 years.

One day this Oil is Gonna end.



Pat... please... you are gonna mention Bush's debt numbers and not Obama's?
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Quoting 802. Birthmark:

Um, no. Socialism is something entirely different.


Yes it would be, haha you would be giving people wages, from other peoples tax dollars. Regardless of their work or quality of their work.
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Quoting 798. VAbeachhurricanes:



So socialism? Haha

In economics, a negative income tax (abbreviated NIT) is a progressive income tax system where people earning below a certain amount receive supplemental pay from the government instead of paying taxes to the government. Such a system has been discussed by economists but never fully implemented. It was developed by British politician Juliet Rhys-Williams in the 1940s[1] and later by United States economist Milton Friedman.

Link

Strange to hear Milton Friedman called a 'Socialist'. I think it would actually make Socialists more mad that Milton Friedman was called one of them :D
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Quoting 803. JohnLonergan:


True, in theory, but with all three branches of government completely owned by the corporate interests that benefit from these policies there is no practical way of getting anything changed.

The politically impractical can change 180-degrees fairly quickly. We're one good leader away from that happening at any given point in time.
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Quoting 799. Birthmark:

Ask Native Americans about the sanctity of treaties.

We could:
1. Withdraw from treaties
2. Re-negotiate treaties
3. Negotiate new treaties that aren't so pro-corporation and anti-people and anti-environment


True, in theory, but with all three branches of government completely owned by the corporate interests that benefit from these policies there is no practical way of getting anything changed.
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Quoting 798. VAbeachhurricanes:



So socialism? Haha

Um, no. Socialism is something entirely different.
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Bush 43 Doubled the debt in 8 years, Obama Doubled the Stock Market since 09...or 5 years.

One day this Oil is Gonna end.

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Quoting 787. VAbeachhurricanes:


No way, driving the price of labor up only causes migration of businesses. Only about 4% of workers get paid minimum wage. That war is a false battle front, with many other more pressing economic issues at hand.
How many people are going to leave the country to buy a Big Mac? Or go grocery shopping, for that matter.

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Quoting 795. JohnLonergan:
The problem with that is that the US has signed a number of free trade agreements which bar import tariffs.

Ask Native Americans about the sanctity of treaties.

We could:
1. Withdraw from treaties
2. Re-negotiate treaties
3. Negotiate new treaties that aren't so pro-corporation and anti-people and anti-environment
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Quoting 797. Birthmark:

I would get rid of minimum wage entirely. Instead, I would institute a Guaranteed Minimum Income, roughly equal to 1/2 average income.

(Along with that, I would get rid of almost every "safety net" program in existence.)



So socialism? Haha
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Quoting 794. VAbeachhurricanes:


How else would you increase labor cost?

I would get rid of minimum wage entirely. Instead, I would institute a Guaranteed Minimum Income, roughly equal to 1/2 average income.

(Along with that, I would get rid of almost every "safety net" program in existence.)
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Quoting 793. yoboi:



When Clinton was President he did the opposite.....that's why we are in the situation we are in now.....

Please don't try to put this on one President or party. We are where we are because "both" parties are pro-corporate and anti-people. There are minor exceptions from both parties.
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Quoting 789. Birthmark:

Ah, see...the answer to that is in the US Constitution: Article I, Section 8

1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

Problem solved
The problem with that is that the US has signed a number of free trade agreements which bar import tariffs.
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Quoting 790. Birthmark:

I said nothing about minimum wage.

As I stated in the post above, Congress can address the moving jobs overseas issues --and they should have long before now.


How else would you increase labor cost?
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