Local conditions and personal reflections

By: Dr. Ricky Rood , 11:09 PM GMT on May 31, 2013

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Local Conditions and Personal Reflections

I have disappeared for a while because of technological failures. Honestly, I embraced them for a couple of days, but it's hard for me to remain in denial for more than a day or two. So I have sought out the computer at the public library and remembered my WU login. Here is a personal reflection on how local weather conditions might impact how one thinks about climate change.

I am currently residing in Boulder, Colo., where I try to grow a pretty large garden. Last year, 2012, was exceedingly hot in the spring and very dry. The dryness continued into the winter of 2013.

Water is in short supply in the West. This is not news. In fact, when John Wesley Powell explored the West he was pessimistic about its habitability because of scarcity of water (an old NPR story). He laid out a vision of a West of small settlements anchored in reliable water sources. Earlier, when Stephen Long explored the Midwest and the Front Range of the Rockies, he labeled the area the "Great Desert." (some cool maps from University of Tulsa).

Of course, the Great Plains and the West have now been populated with large cities. Water is managed in a fragmented way on an enormous spatial scale. There is huge contention for water between cities, agricultural and conservation management, and energy production. This is one area of the country where there is concern shared amongst the governors about drought and climate change.

In March 2013 as the local drought persisted, I was downright depressed about the coming spring and summer. The snowpack in the mountains was low. In the previous year, the spring had been so warm that much of the snow melted well before the normal spring runoff. I remember in June 2012 putting pumpkins into soil that was well over 110 degrees F and dry down to the underlying clay bed. With the low humidity and heat, I could not water most of them enough to keep them alive. In March 2013, we seemed to be looking at even less water.

Spring 2013 was just plain odd in the U.S. Largely, it was cold, with many record cold temperatures. The cold waves were interspersed with sometimes record heat. The variability was enormous. In my part of Colorado during April, at just about exactly seven-day intervals, there was one record snow a week. On the flat lands east of the mountains, these snows were followed by extraordinary seasonal cold, then a rapid melt. Virtually all blossoming trees did not blossom; the bees are not happy. In the mountains, the snowpack built up to be higher than average. Some ski resorts reopened for Memorial Day because of fresh May snow.

Here at the end of May, I look at the mountains and there is a lot of snow. The farm irrigation ditches run full of water. The cities are reconsidering the water restrictions they imposed in February and March. The hay fields are green and tall. I look around, and I feel pretty good about the summer.

Those mountains that I see to the West supply the Platte River and the Colorado River. I look up to them and naively think of the Colorado River full of water. However, the truth is quite the contrary. 2013 is yet another year of the Colorado River being in extreme drought. Despite my seeing all of that snow in my little world 2013 is an intensification of the Southwest drought.

I remember when I was quite young there was a drought in my home state of North Carolina. I was only a bit more naive then, perhaps more prone to the mystical, and I worried about the weather being broken in some way. At that age, weather was itself a mystery. I had no idea how to describe the motion of air and how to turn humidity into rain. I imagined that there had been a divine intervention into how the weather worked--it was the opposite of the biblical flood. I was a young boy with a narrow view of the world, so I assumed the whole world was in drought. I am sure that a few hundred miles away, however, the weather was still working; it was raining. I probably even checked to make sure that was the case. As I now sit in a world with what looks like enough snow for a good season in the garden, that childhood comfort of the weather working comes back.

This little vision I have into the world, that my weather has been beneficent, really has little relevance to whether or not the climate is changing. My little vision is no different than that of all of the people who have looked at the cold U.S. spring of 2013 and stated that as evidence or proof that the Earth was not warming. You have to look at all of the Earth and look at what is happening in the oceans and look at all that is melting.

One of our best resources on drought and water is the National Integrated Drought Information System (NIDIS). NIDIS followed from The 1998 National Drought Policy Act and The Western Governors' Association (some good policy history). This is climate policy; this is climate service. It is based on known vulnerabilities, ones that are expected to get worse because there is really nothing that suggests the vulnerabilities will lessen on their own. There is no looking at the facts and saying it will all be all right.

Rather than looking out your window and saying that the weather is working and that our climate is like it has always been, better to take a broader look--a global perspective. For a national perspective on drought, here is the outlook from NIDIS on May 15, 2013.

Hope to get my computer and files back early next week. Don't forget me.

r

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436. Xulonn
4:00 AM GMT on June 10, 2013
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435. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
3:52 AM GMT on June 10, 2013
RickyRood has created a new entry.
434. ScottLincoln
3:38 AM GMT on June 10, 2013
Quoting Patrap:
LOL

It begins,


Larry Bell, Contributor

Keep Your Long Flannel Underwear: Climate Scientists Predict Hell To Freeze Over!

OP/ED | 5/26/2013 @ 10:00AM |11,314 views
Meteorologist Joe Bastardi: Blaming Turbulent Weather On Global Warming Is Extreme Nonsense




So much gibberish, so little time. In fact, I think I'll just go to sleep instead.
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433. cyclonebuster
2:02 AM GMT on June 10, 2013
Nothing's good, the news is bad. The HEAT goes on and it drives you mad. Scornful thoughts that fly your way You should turn away 'Cause there's nothing more to say...They work....




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432. cyclonebuster
1:52 AM GMT on June 10, 2013
I got the Gold Bug...

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423. cyclonebuster
12:45 AM GMT on June 10, 2013
Quoting Xulonn:
"Examiner.com is a content destination powered by over 100,000+ independent contributors. Every week our contributors post thousands of informative and entertaining articles designed to feed your curiosity on the subjects that you crave."

Among its recent articles:
Wait... I know that guy...

Apparently Hugh Willoughby, Atmospheric Science and Meteorology Professor at Florida International University and former head of the Hurricane division at NOAA told CB that his idea has merit, but doesn't believe in tunnels strongly enough to pull strings and convince someone in the field to get that elusive computer modeling done.

Seven years of a futile struggle for respect and modeling, and "with abrupt climate change perhaps just a heartbeat away"...

Will there be a happy ending to this story?

To be continued...



There is a difference between has merit and will work...Do not confuse the issue...
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422. BaltimoreBrian
12:34 AM GMT on June 10, 2013
420. Birthmark
11:36 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting martinitony:
Ice

Congratulations on your discovery of Arctic spring. Wait'll you see what happens in summer!
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419. martinitony
11:31 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Ice
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418. cyclonebuster
11:04 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting Birthmark:

Joe, you've made your point: You don't know what you're talking about. We get it.


Joe needs to look up the term amplification...
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416. Birthmark
11:03 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting Patrap:
LOL

It begins,


Larry Bell, Contributor

Keep Your Long Flannel Underwear: Climate Scientists Predict Hell To Freeze Over!

OP/ED | 5/26/2013 @ 10:00AM |11,314 views
Meteorologist Joe Bastardi: Blaming Turbulent Weather On Global Warming Is Extreme Nonsense




Joe, you've made your point: You don't know what you're talking about. We get it.
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413. RevElvis
10:29 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Climate science tells us the alarm bells are ringing
By Michael Oppenheimer and Kevin Trenberth


Michael Oppenheimer is a professor of geosciences and international affairs at Princeton University. Kevin Trenberth is a distinguished senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research.

In a recent op-ed for The Post, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tex.) offered up a reheated stew of isolated factoids and sweeping generalizations about climate science to defend the destructive status quo. We agree with the chairman of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology that policy should be based on sound science. But Smith presented political talking points, and none of his implied conclusions is accurate.

The two of us have spent, in total, more than seven decades studying Earth’s climate, and we have joined hundreds of top climate scientists to summarize the state of knowledge for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the World Climate Research Program and other science-based bodies. We believe that our views are representative of the 97 percent of climate scientists who agree that global warming is caused by humans. Legions of studies support the view that, left unabated, this warming will produce dangerous effects. (This commentary, like so much of our work, was a collaborative process, with input from leading climate scientists Julia Cole, Robert W. Corell, Jennifer Francis, Michael E. Mann, Jonathan Overpeck, Alan Robock, Richard C.J. Somerville and Ben Santer.)

Man-made heat-trapping gases are warming our planet and leading to increases in extreme weather events. Droughts are becoming longer and deeper in many areas. The risk of wildfires is increasing. The year 2012, the hottest on record for the United States, illustrated this risk with severe, widespread drought accompanied by extensive wildfires.

Last month, levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere exceeded 400 parts per million, approaching the halfway mark between preindustrial amounts and a doubling of those levels. This doubling is expected to cause a warming this century of four to seven degrees Fahrenheit. The last time atmospheric carbon dioxide reached this level was more than 3 million years ago, when Arctic lands were covered with forests. The unprecedented rate of increase has been driven entirely by human-produced emissions.

,... Link to Article at The WashingtonPost
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406. Xulonn
9:42 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting cyclonebuster:
What have you done Xulonn?
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We share the belief that AGW/CC is real and a thread to humanity and our modern civilization. However, you have stated that you don't believe that an overall reduction in CO2 emissions is possible, although it is certainly the one foolproof way to counter AGW/CC. Conversely, I believe that geo-engineering schemes are not the answer either, because of both financial and technical difficulties and the fact that computer modeling can only demonstrate probable feasibility and give support to an idea, not prove that it absolutely will work. The only real proof would be in the deployment or application of large-scale prototypes. The real fly in the ointment is the specter of unintended consequences, which looms large as a possibility of making the situation even worse for things designed to fundamentally alter the global climate with its delicate balances, and by extension, affect other systems in the biosphere.

My vision is much less grandiose, and my focus is on education with respect to everyday people who don't really understand science and how it works. As you may have noticed, I am interested in the psychology of AGW/CC denial and countering denialism to assist in a global effort to swing the majority opinion to support planning for adaptation to climate change and reduce greenhouse gasses. I would rather be a member of a greater global community trying to educate people who work to facilitate changes in lifestyles and infrastructure rather than gamble on unproven technologies with the previously mentioned possibility of nasty unintended consequences.

As far as personal effort, I drive as little as possible and use buses for longer trips. My home has neither heating nor A/C. I eat locally grown food - preferably organic - as much as I can.

With respect to my interest in AGW/CC education, I am currently taking a online course from the University of British Columbia entitled "Climate Literacy: Navigating Climate Change Conversations." (You should take a project planning course focused on large-scale-projects - it would help a lot in your efforts.)

I am looking at the possibility of writing an e-book on climate change, which will attempt to enlighten those on the fence or not willing to spend a lot of time on the subject. It will be one of many on the subject, but involves minimal utilization of natural resources, and if I can influence just a few people, I will be pleased with my effort.

Good luck in the MIT / Climate CoLab contest - which you apparently entered in November, 2012. I understand that you are moving it from the Electric Power Sector category to the Geoengineering one. Selection of semi-finalists is soon, and voting and final judging is from July 1-15, 2013. We don't have long to wait to see how you and your tunnels fare in competition.

It looks like you've put all of your eggs into one basket, and it's got to be a big deal for you. I'll be fair and refrain from criticism of your project until the contest is over in five weeks.
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405. cyclonebuster
8:33 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting Birthmark:

Am I going to have to put you back on ignore?


Don't you learn from your mistakes?
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404. Birthmark
8:09 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting LowerCal:

Apparently American Politics and Public Service have divorced. :^\

Looks like politics got all the money.
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403. Birthmark
7:55 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting cyclonebuster:
Every college in the nation should have such competitions....

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Am I going to have to put you back on ignore?
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402. cyclonebuster
7:25 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Every college in the nation should have such competitions....

Link





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401. Birthmark
7:15 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting allahgore:



I threw darts.

You'll put your eye out, kid.

Quoting allahgore:
What do you think the tipping point is with c02? I think 483ppm.

350ppm or thereabouts.
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398. Patrap
6:52 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
397. cyclonebuster
6:47 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Mississippi, Alabama tornadoes today?
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396. cyclonebuster
6:22 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting Xulonn:
CB, I'm beginning to see the reasons that you do not understand major/mega project planning and construction. Your entire resume seems to be operations, maintenance, and emergency response - taking care of systems that are already built, and with a bit of construction and fabrication thrown in. It appears that you have no experience whatsoever with project development and planning, especially huge heavy-duty major electro-mechanical marine systems.

Are you attempting to align yourself with a person or organization who has the necessary capability and experience for such huge complex systems with monstrous maintenance requirements?

There's at least six years of you touting your tunnels on the internet. After another six years, will you still be saying "computers prove that my tunnels work" or do you plan to be able to show some progress towards at least testing it with on a large-scale prototype?

What would impress many of us here is reports of progress - not a continuous re-hashing of six years of the same basic, primitive, undeveloped idea.

So give us a status report showing even a bit of progress if you want to earn respect among the CC WU'pers.

If you really believe in your project, you would be devoting all your time to it - not playing word games with your detractors here at Dr. Rood's CC blog. You want to see me back down and offer humble apologies? Then show me some progress!


We don't have a choice in the matter it's do or die...Checkmate...
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395. LowerCal
5:22 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting RevElvis:


Meanwhile - only last year >

House Adopts Measure to Halt Light-Bulb Efficiency Law (6/6/2012)

LINK


Apparently American Politics and Public Service have divorced. :^\
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394. JohnLonergan
3:10 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Apparently, The blog What's Up With That Watts? has a lot of time on his hands, here he destroys a 2009 talk byRichard Lindzen:

First an introduction to What's Up With That Watts?:

This website was inspired by my frustration reading though WattsUpWithThat's onslaught of nonsense and crazy-making. ~ ~ ~ It's a collection of articles, blog posts and authoritative scientific sources, along with a few original writings that I believe are worth sharing - Food for thought during this struggle to teach serious science in a world seemingly filled with politically motivated and sadly disconnected dogmatists. ~ ~ ~ Hopefully a resource for the busy, yet discerning student ;-)

He is challenged by a commenter at Watt's place:


"Citizenschallenge, you are the one who chose to make personal attacks and dishonest ad hominems about James Taylor*, The Heartland Institute and the scientists in his article.

You want videos from climate scientists? No problem,Richard S. Lindzen Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT



How many more do you want? I know you have been brainwashed to not believe there are highly credentialed scientists who do not support your position on climate change but please don%u2019t make it so obvious."


*He's referring to "James Taylor Caught Doctoring the '97-Percent Consensus' Claims" http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2013/05/j ames-taylor-caught-doctoring-97.html

With that invitation I took up the video.[...]"

The destruction follows:

Lindzen, Deconstructs Global Warming Hysteria - 1/3 Anatomy of a Con Job

Lindzen, Deconstructs Global Warming Hysteria - 2/3 Anatomy of a Con Job


Lindzen, Deconstructs Global Warming Hysteria - 3/3 Anatomy of a Con Job

They're all long, but WUWTB is very thorough and has a citation for everything he says.
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392. JohnLonergan
2:22 PM GMT on June 09, 2013



Edit: Note the dates, this is a projection out to 6-16
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391. ScottLincoln
2:18 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting Birthmark:
Holy Moley!



It will be interesting to see if that's the reality up there or if, as I suspect, it's the sensors picking up something that looks like melt but isn't.

Still, it's a startling image for early June.

It's always fun when the ice melt just skips the fringe areas and goes straight to the north pole. Completely normal, nothing to see here.
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390. cyclonebuster
2:07 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting Xulonn:
Personal insults - but no rebuttal- because you cannot.

I may not know squat - whatever that means - but I do know a lot about science and engineering. I worked with scientists and engineers, often in a very minor role on everything from manure spreader bearings to rotating components for the Hubble Space telescope. I worked on components for the AMRAAM (advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile, IR Maverick missle, military satellites, F-14, F-15 and F-18 radar systems, heat shrinkable radiation shielding elastomers, large scale solar thermal systems and much more. I have seen up close how complex, high-tech electrical and mechanical engineering, plus detailed fiscal and project planning efforts come together to make successful hi-tech projects work, and I see little of that rigorous effort and discipline in your geo-engineering pipe dreams.

Theoretically, your vision may have merit, but is it practical and cost effective? As the years go by, are you any closer to large scale rigorous modelling of your proposal, or is it just a pipedream. Some call it a crackpot idea:

I would love to be proven wrong, but I am not holding my breath. I would support you vigorously if there was evidence that your scheme had merit.


OK Xulonn I'll give you some credit you may know more than squat...Here is a short list of my certificates I have gained during my career.. There are many missing and so I wanted to keep the list short...

Certifications
Basic Control Room Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
March 2002
Annistion Chemical Demilitarization Facility Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
November 2001
Resource Conservation Recovery Act ( RCRA ) Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
May 2005
Utility Operator Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
May 2003
Control Room Operator Utliity Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
May 2003
Control Room Operator Rocket Handling System Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
May 2004
Control Room Operator Liquid Incinerator Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
April 2002
Control Room Operator Metal Parts Furnace Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
December 2004
Control Room Operator Deactivation Furnace System Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
May 2002
Toxic Lock Out Tag Out Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
May 2003
Projectile Morter Disassembly Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
January 2006
Munition Demil Machine Certification
Westinghouse Corporation
January 2007
Global Loss Of Power Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
March 2003
Chemical Surety Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
March 2001
Lab Plant Interface Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
March 2001
Non-Toxic Lock Out Tag Out Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
March 2001
Permit Required Confined Space Entry Certificate.
Westinghouse Corporation
March 2001
Parsons Piping And Instrument Diagram Reading Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
April 2001
Plant Systems Description Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
April 2001
Central Decon System Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
March 2001
Bulk Chemical System Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
April 2001
Fuel Gas System Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
April 2001
Phase 1 Systemization Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
April 2001
Advisor PC Operations Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
April 2001
Pollution Abatement System Training For Control Room Operator Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
April 2001
Incinerator Fundamentals For Control Room Operator Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
April 2001
Chemical Demil Facility Burner Management System Operation Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
April 2001
Heating And Ventilation Air Conditioning System Training Certificate For CRO
Westinghouse Corporation
June 2001
Fire Detection And Protection Systems Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
June 2001
Process Cooling Water System Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
June 2001
Automatic Continuious Air Monitoring System Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
June 2001
Toxic Storage And Handling System Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
June 2001
Plant Water System Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
June 2001
Plant Electrical Distribution Training Certificate
Westimghouse Corporation
June 2001
Compressed Air System Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
June 2001
Forklift Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
July 2001
Resipratory Protection Mark-40 Mask Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
July 2001
Bulk Container Handling System Training Certificate.
Westinghouse Corporation
July 2001
Container Handling Building System Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
July 2001
Hydraulic Systems Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
August 2001
Munitions Demilitarization Building Doors Systems Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
September 2001
Control Room Support Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
September 2001
Treaty Seal Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
January 2003
Contamination Control Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
June 2004
Demilitarization Protection Ensemble For Entries Control Room Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
June 2006
VX Agent Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
July 2006
Explosives Safety Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
May 2007
HD/HT Mustard Agent Training Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
August 2009
Overhead Gantry Crane Training Certificate
Florida Power And Light Company
January 1987 February 2001
Certified Welder Florida Power And Light Certificate
Florida Power And Light Company
January 1987 February 2001
Mobile Link Belt Crane Training Certificate
Florida Power And Light
February 2001 February 2001
Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR)Certificate
URS Corporation
May 2006 January 2010
Hazardous Waste Operations & Emergency Response ( HAZWOPER ) Certificate
Westinghouse Corporation
May 2002 April 2013
Fire Brigade Team Member Certificate
FPL
May 1986 February 2001


No need to worry if your wrong about my idea. I'll let the computer decide that.....
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389. JohnLonergan
2:04 PM GMT on June 09, 2013
CDC urges everyone: Get ready to stay cool before temperatures soar



The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is urging people to prepare for extreme heat this summer by staying cool, hydrated, and informed. “No one should die from a heat wave, but every year on average, extreme heat causes 658 deaths in the United States—more than tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, and lightning combined,” said Robin Ikeda, MD, MPH, acting director of the National Center for Environmental Health and Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry. “Taking common sense steps in extreme temperatures can prevent heat-related illnesses and deaths.”
Extreme heat can lead to very high body temperatures, brain and organ damage, and even death. People suffer heat-related illness when their bodies are unable to compensate and cool themselves properly. Extreme heat affects everyone, but the elderly, children, the poor or homeless, persons who work or exercise outdoors, and those with chronic medical conditions are most at risk.
A study released today in CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report found that 7,233 heat-related deaths occurred in the United States from 1999 to 2009. An analysis of 2012 data indicates that deaths are on the rise. In a 2-week period in 2012, excessive heat exposure resulted in 32 deaths in four states, four times the typical average for those states for the same 2-week period from 1999-2009. More than two thirds of the deaths (69 percent) occurred at home, and 91 percent of those homes lacked air conditioning. Most of those who died were unmarried or living alone, and 72 percent were male.
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388. Xulonn
3:24 AM GMT on June 09, 2013
Quoting cyclonebuster:
LOL... BTW Xulonn you don't know SQUAT either...lol...
Personal insults - but no rebuttal- because you cannot.

I may not know squat - whatever that means - but I do know a lot about science and engineering. I worked with scientists and engineers, often in a very minor role on everything from manure spreader bearings to rotating components for the Hubble Space telescope. I worked on components for the AMRAAM (advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile, IR Maverick missle, military satellites, F-14, F-15 and F-18 radar systems, heat shrinkable radiation shielding elastomers, large scale solar thermal systems and much more. I have seen up close how complex, high-tech electrical and mechanical engineering, plus detailed fiscal and project planning efforts come together to make successful hi-tech projects work, and I see little of that rigorous effort and discipline in your geo-engineering pipe dreams.

Theoretically, your vision may have merit, but is it practical and cost effective? As the years go by, are you any closer to large scale rigorous modelling of your proposal, or is it just a pipedream. Some call it a crackpot idea:

Quoting From the Palm Beach County Sentinel last Month:
Myth: This is the 21st century, and we should be able to put our technological wizardry to work to destroy hurricanes. We can accomplish this by towing icebergs from the arctic to weaken them with cold water, using giant pipes to bring up cold water from the ocean depths, seeding clouds to force the rain out of them at sea, coat the ocean along their path with oil to stop evaporating water from powering the storm, erecting giant fans to blow the hurricane back out to sea or breaking up a hurricane with hydrogen bombs.

Reality: All impossible, and a few would make things worse. Like many crackpot ideas, however, they are built around a kernel of reality. It would theoretically be possible to fatally weaken a hurricane with icebergs, but towing enough of them into its path would require all the merchant ships currently in service in the world. Even nuclear weapons don't have sufficient power to do the job. All they would accomplish would be to create a radioactive hurricane.
I would love to be proven wrong, but I am not holding my breath. I would support you vigorously if there was evidence that your scheme had merit.
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I'm a professor at U Michigan and lead a course on climate change problem solving. These articles often come from and contribute to the course.