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Shoveling Snow Can Make You Nutty
Posted by: Dr. Ricky Rood, 3:44 PM GMT on February 24, 2013 +23
Shoveling Snow Can Make You Nutty

I have lived for extended amounts of time in five places: North Carolina, Florida, metropolitan Washington D.C., Michigan, and Colorado. Of these places, I have shoveled, by far, the most snow when in D.C. In fact, I have never shoveled snow in Michigan – the cold state. Many times I have stood in more than 18 inches of snow in D.C., but I have never seen more than 8 inches of snow in Ann Arbor. Growing up in Cary, N.C., I saw deeper snow than I have ever seen in Ann Arbor.

One of the things that I learned, while anxiously waiting for snow-day cancellations in North Carolina, is that real snow came from the south, not the north. Almost seems nutty, doesn’t it? But big snowstorms require a lot of water, and if it is to snow a lot in North Carolina or Washington D.C., then the water for the storms has to come from the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean. Such storms always move up the coast from the south and west towards the north and east. The temperatures during these snowstorms are generally in the upper 20s (Fahrenheit). If it is much colder, more like Michigan, the air can’t hold as much water. Washington D.C.-like storms don’t happen very often in Michigan.

My experience is that “cold” and “lots of snow” do not go together with simplicity. “Lots of snow” happens when it’s pretty close to freezing, and the air can hold the largest amount of water that can still fall as frozen puffy water. For snow in the eastern part of the United States, there is a sweet spot in temperature - above freezing it rains, far below freezing it does not snow a lot, and just a little bit below freezing, it’s just right. If you look across most East Coast storms, you see you are on the edge: the warm side of the storm is rain, the cold side is snow, and in between, ice and the dreaded wintry mix.

At the National Climatic Data Center there is a nice mapping tool that shows different measures of snow extremes. I made a map of one-day extremes, that is, the most snow on a single day. My figure is not as clear as if you go play with your own maps, but I think that it shows the point I want to make. Compare southern Michigan and the region around Washington, D.C. The darker purples around D.C. show a region with higher snow extremes. It’s also a warmer region. Looking to the west of D.C. and down the Appalachian mountains to the south, the contrast becomes even larger, with the appearance of the pinks and reds of the highest snow. (Sorry, you have to go to the site to see the color scale.) Of course, there is a little bit of elevation with those mountains that makes the comparison more complicated.



Figure 1: One-day snowfall extremes from National Climate Data Center U.S. Snow Climatology. You have to go to their interactive mapper to see the color scale, but basically oranges and yellows are low. Purples and pinks are high, and blue is in between.

This tried-and-true relation between temperature and moisture and snow helps us understand what the climate models are telling us. This relationship has been true since the Creation so it really shouldn’t seem nutty that we could see more blizzards in a warmer world. But, let’s look more closely.

There is a new paper entitled Controls of Global Snow Under a Changed Climate. The paper is by Sarah Kapnick and Tom Delworth. (Here’s a popular summary of the article. And here’s a good AP report from Seth Borenstein) This paper is a nicely designed set of model simulations investigating snow with 1990 conditions and with doubled carbon dioxide.

The paper takes a global perspective. To be explicit, globally, the total amount of snow is simulated as decreasing. If you look at the continental United States (Figure 2), there is a stark reduction of snow. Looking globally, however, at high mountain peaks, where it remains cold enough to snow, there is an increase of snowfall. This is true even if there is a decrease at lower altitudes in the same mountains. At the lower altitudes the precipitation is falling as rain. Not only is there a reduction of snow, there is also a large reduction of snow-cover area. There is far less snow remaining on the ground as we go into spring. In Greenland, eastern Siberia, and coastal Antarctica, where it is still cold enough to snow, there are increases in snowfall.



Figure 2 shows the geographic distribution of snowfall change in response to carbon dioxide doubling as a percentage snow in the 1990 simulation. The only regions in the United States with snowfall gains are found in Alaska.

As for eastern U.S. blizzards, Kapnick and Delworth leave this for a future study. However, we are already observing the trend emerge of more extreme snowstorms. If I were to be presumptuous, in Figure 2, I would draw a line from Chattanooga, Tennessee to Montpelier, Vermont and predict that along this transition line, the frequency of large snow events will increase. This will be the region of the new sweet spot where it is just cold enough to snow in a warmer climate.

A couple of blogs ago, I took a more regional look at this same problem – that is, where it might snow more in a warmer environment. I showed the example of the area around the Great Lakes. We already observe a clear signal in northern Michigan where it remains cold enough to snow but too warm for the Great Lakes to freeze (Figure 3). Here, and in the anecdotal experience I reported above, we see that coldest and snowiest don’t go together. We also see as the climate warms, changes in snow that are consistent with this experience. That is, where it is warmer there is less snow and less snow cover, and where we are close to freezing and it is moist, there are big snow events. Then the snow melts, because it is warmer. So climate models, like those described in Kapnick and Delworth, are not projecting any fundamental change in the way the atmosphere works. They project the current, well-observed relation of temperature and snow into the future and show a likely scenario of how snow will change. The weather forecast models of the here and now are more and more often predicting record and near-record snowfall. They, too, work from the same relation between temperature and snow. They are a consistent piece of information. It is the consistency between the known behavior, the emerging observed trends, present-day weather forecasts, and projections of conditions in the future that provides us with confidence that we have a substantive vision of the future. Doesn’t seem so nutty after it’s all said and done.

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Figure 3: Snow in a warming world: Mean seasonal snowfall (inches) across the Midwest for a) 1961-1990 (left) and b) 1981-2010 (right) periods. Figures courtesy of Midwest Regional Climate Center. We look at the last 30 years compared to the previous 30 years, we see this signal emerging. Decreases in snow and snow amount are marching up from the south (red arrow), and lake effect snow is increasing around the Great Lakes (blue circle).
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551. nymore 1:46 AM GMT on March 07, 2013    
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


I will agree with you that Mann's overlay graphic stops at the year 2005 while the graph continues further out, but how does this alter the science in any way?

Should you base your argument purely on that Mann's presentation was somewhat deceptive then I agree with you that any public comments on climate change should be made with the complete data available and without any cherry picked talking points. However, if we do decide to only pay attention to the ones that do not cherry pick their talking points, and this is something that I Fully support, then I would be willing to wager you that Watts will disappear from the scene far faster than Mann will.

Allahgore, if you want to know who is telling the truth then you have to look at what the science says and not how the science is presented to you by any individual. Mann's presentation represented the truth about climate change, but with a possible over emphasis on one talking point or by not highlighting enough detail on another talking point. Does that make his presentation incorrect concerning climate change? No. What you need to ask nymore is if Mann's presentation was factually incorrect. I would have liked for Mann to continue his graphic overlay to the full extent of the graph that was being overlaid. Yet, his omission of doing so does not alter the science in any way nor does his presentation become incorrect concerning the science behind climate change. ... I feel reasonably certain that even nymore would agree with this.
I do agree with you. He point is to show how well the predictions have held up against reality, but he chooses not to use the same data to show it. He selects only part of it to use because if he uses all of it, it will show something different. It is what Watts does also. As I pointed out the fifth graph on the link clearly shows what he claims is false even using 2005
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552. allahgore 1:48 AM GMT on March 07, 2013    
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


I will agree with you that Mann's overlay graphic stops at the year 2005 while the graph continues further out, but how does this alter the science in any way?

Should you base your argument purely on that Mann's presentation was somewhat deceptive then I agree with you that any public comments on climate change should be made with the complete data available and without any cherry picked talking points. However, if we do decide to only pay attention to the ones that do not cherry pick their talking points, and this is something that I Fully support, then I would be willing to wager you that Watts will disappear from the scene far faster than Mann will.

Allahgore, if you want to know who is telling the truth then you have to look at what the science says and not how the science is presented to you by any individual. Mann's presentation represented the truth about climate change, but with a possible over emphasis on one talking point or by not highlighting enough detail on another talking point. Does that make his presentation incorrect concerning climate change? No. What you need to ask nymore is if Mann's presentation was factually incorrect. I would have liked for Mann to continue his graphic overlay to the full extent of the graph that was being overlaid. Yet, his omission of doing so does not alter the science in any way nor does his presentation become incorrect concerning the science behind climate change. ... I feel reasonably certain that even nymore would agree with this.


Thanks for pointing that out to me.
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553. WunderAlertBot (Admin) 3:53 AM GMT on March 07, 2013    
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554. Neapolitan 11:27 AM GMT on March 07, 2013    
Quoting no1der:
It could also be very interesting to know when we might expect observations to cease, but I'm having a really hard time thinking about that just now.
This could easily happen much sooner than feared. The fact is, there exists in Washington a political party with a long and sorry history of defunding--if not explicitly outlawing--scientific research that exposes certain truths they find inconvenient. Scientific data about a wide range of subjects has been repeatedly quashed: teaching about evolution; firearm injury data; water and air pollution; sex education; polar bear populations. Research in all of these, and many more, have provided solid data that runs counter to this party's ideological/financial planks, so it's been simply defunded and/or "disappeared". I can easily, then, envision a time in the not-too-distant future when this party's leaders, aided by tens of millions of dollars in fossil fuel cash, succeed in having that Hawaiian CO2 monitoring station shut down--and maybe the imposition of criminal penalties for any scientist with the temerity to discuss CO2 levels.
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555. Neapolitan 11:38 AM GMT on March 07, 2013    
Quoting allahgore:


Who is telling the truth? This is the kind of stuff that confuses me.
I'm not entirely sure that you're being honest with us. That is, I sense that you're pulling our legs. In addition to your handle, you've been shown endless examples of solid scientific data that indicate far beyond any reasonable doubt that the planet is warming due to increasing CO2 levels from our burning of fossil fuels. Yet when someone comes in and posts a bit of denialist blather, you claim, "Oh, I am so confused!"

Seriously, dude?

Here, allow me to clear things up a bit:

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Now, if you're still confused, I'm afraid we here won't be able to help you much more.

(BTW, you never have explained the reasoning behind your chosen handle. Using that, then claiming to be a naive innocent, just doesn't wash. It would be like me joining an internet forum on Earth's spherical nature, and selecting the handle, "EratosthenesWasAMoron", while stating that I have no stance on the issue. )
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556. allahgore 12:02 PM GMT on March 07, 2013    
Quoting Neapolitan:
I'm not entirely sure that you're being honest with us. That is, I sense that you're pulling our legs. In addition to your handle, you've been shown endless examples of solid scientific data that indicate far beyond any reasonable doubt that the planet is warming due to increasing CO2 levels from our burning of fossil fuels. Yet when someone comes in and posts a bit of denialist blather, you claim, "Oh, I am so confused!"

Seriously, dude?

Here, allow me to clear things up a bit:

db

Now, if you're still confused, I'm afraid we here won't be able to help you much more.

(BTW, you never have explained the reasoning behind your chosen handle. Using that, then claiming to be a naive innocent, just doesn't wash. It would be like me joining an internet forum on Earth's spherical nature, and selecting the handle, "EratosthenesWasAMoron", while stating that I have no stance on the issue. )


I get confused because nymore showed a video showing Cherry Picked data. I am not confused with the warming part, I get confused to how much man is causing it. When you an nymore debate he seems to win more and that is just based by recent observations since being new to the blog. Who knows over a longer period of time maybe you won more, I can only go by what I have seen. So when you both post differnt views i get confused. I have met Gore a few times and he is very different in person than on Tv. You might not like him and you have that right but he has been very nice to me. That's why I have that handle. What is the story with your handle? Do you like to drink or eat ice cream?
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557. Neapolitan 12:38 PM GMT on March 07, 2013    
Quoting allahgore:


I get confused because nymore showed a video showing Cherry Picked data. I am not confused with the warming part, I get confused to how much man is causing it. When you an nymore debate he seems to win more and that is just based by recent observations since being new to the blog.
Really? Well, then, you evidently use a very different definition of the term "win" than anyone--or any dictionary--I know. ;-) The thing is, when someone responds to posts of peer-reviewed science with non-scientific/anti-scientific denialist blather, that's not a "win".
Quoting allahgore:
I have met Gore a few times and he is very different in person than on Tv. You might not like him and you have that right but he has been very nice to me.?
I'll bite: if you are, indeed, a fan of Al Gore, why the "Allah" reference?
Quoting allahgore:
What is the story with your handle? Do you like to drink or eat ice cream?
A moment of Googling would show you that a Neapolitan is a resident of Naples. That could be Naples, Italy, or--in my case--Naples, Florida.
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558. allahgore 2:12 PM GMT on March 07, 2013    
Quoting Neapolitan:
Really? Well, then, you evidently use a very different definition of the term "win" than anyone--or any dictionary--I know. ;-) The thing is, when someone responds to posts of peer-reviewed science with non-scientific/anti-scientific denialist blather, that's not a "win".I'll bite: if you are, indeed, a fan of Al Gore, why the "Allah" reference?A moment of Googling would show you that a Neapolitan is a resident of Naples. That could be Naples, Italy, or--in my case--Naples, Florida.


Allah he is considered by many the GOD of the climate change movement. Conduct a random poll on the street and ask what Al Gore is known for besides being VP.

Neapolitan; when googled shows resident of Naples also a drink, ice cream, pizza dish and even a pasta dish in japan. I pre-judged your handle the same as you did mine. I am here to learn how much man is causing warming. I am sorry if at times I ask basic questions. If it makes you feel good bashing me more power to you, at the end of the day I would still buy you a Neapolitan pizza then eat some Neapolitan ice cream and wash it down with a Neapolitan drink in Naples;) "Peace" try it, you just might like it.
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559. Neapolitan 3:33 PM GMT on March 07, 2013    
Quoting allahgore:


Allah he is considered by many the GOD of the climate change movement. Conduct a random poll on the street and ask what Al Gore is known for besides being VP.

Neapolitan; when googled shows resident of Naples also a drink, ice cream, pizza dish and even a pasta dish in japan. I pre-judged your handle the same as you did mine. I am here to learn how much man is causing warming. I am sorry if at times I ask basic questions. If it makes you feel good bashing me more power to you, at the end of the day I would still buy you a Neapolitan pizza then eat some Neapolitan ice cream and wash it down with a Neapolitan drink in Naples;) "Peace" try it, you just might like it.
1) Using the term "Allah" in such a context is considered disrespectful and sacrilegious.

2) Al Gore is in no way "considered a GOD of the climate change movement." He's just one high-visibility person among the thousands who support the very sound theory of climate change. Why not a different, equally-visible person? Why not "allahhansen" or "allahmann" or "allahtrenberth", for instance? No, I've been around denialist circles long enough to know that Al Gore is #1 on their enemy's list for his popularizing the issue of climate change. With that in mind, I don't think your choice of the "allahgore" handle is anywhere close to the innocent, "I chose it because I like Mr. Gore, who's considered a leader in the field" you'd like us to believe.

3) It's not "bashing" to question a newcomer's motivation, especially when that newcomer selects an intentionally provocative handle, then proceeds to claim confusion despite the overwhelmingly scientific bent of a particular forum.

4) So Googling my handle led you to wonder whether I was a Japanese pasta dish or a flavor of ice cream, yet the idea that I could be a resident of Naples never entered your mind? Perhaps your research skills could use some improvement. ;-) Let me know whether you need help...
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560. allahgore 5:05 PM GMT on March 07, 2013    
Quoting Neapolitan:
1) Using the term "Allah" in such a context is considered disrespectful and sacrilegious.

2) Al Gore is in no way "considered a GOD of the climate change movement." He's just one high-visibility person among the thousands who support the very sound theory of climate change. Why not a different, equally-visible person? Why not "allahhansen" or "allahmann" or "allahtrenberth", for instance? No, I've been around denialist circles long enough to know that Al Gore is #1 on their enemy's list for his popularizing the issue of climate change. With that in mind, I don't think your choice of the "allahgore" handle is anywhere close to the innocent, "I chose it because I like Mr. Gore, who's considered a leader in the field" you'd like us to believe.

3) It's not "bashing" to question a newcomer's motivation, especially when that newcomer selects an intentionally provocative handle, then proceeds to claim confusion despite the overwhelmingly scientific bent of a particular forum.

4) So Googling my handle led you to wonder whether I was a Japanese pasta dish or a flavor of ice cream, yet the idea that I could be a resident of Naples never entered your mind? Perhaps your research skills could use some improvement. ;-) Let me know whether you need help...



1. That's your opinion!

2. Poll 100 people on the street with Hansen, Mann, Trenberth and Gore. 99 out of the 100 will have no clue who Hansen,Mann and Trenberth are.

3. Are you the " Blog Handle Police" ? If so write me a ticket and get over it.


I get confused with how much man is causing warming. Yes I think man does contribute to warming. Cherry picked data does not help me understand, it actually makes me wonder why people use that tactic. You have been quilty of doing that. I think you are smart when it comes to AGW and I respect what you have to say but the way you deliver your message is very harsh. Swinging a big stick all the time brings me into a "fight or flight response" google the term if needed or use Bing.
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561. Neapolitan 7:45 PM GMT on March 07, 2013    
Quoting allahgore:
Cherry picked data does not help me understand, it actually makes me wonder why people use that tactic. You have been quilty of doing that.
Now you're just making things up. You should either quote chapter and verse where you think I've done that, or retract the statement. Choose any other route, and it's back onto the ignore list with you.
Quoting allahgore:
I respect what you have to say but the way you deliver your message is very harsh. Swinging a big stick all the time brings me into a "fight or flight response" google the term if needed or use Bing.
I know what the term means. I also know that having one's feelings hurt is a pretty poor reason to ignore a big heap o'science. And I also know when someone has tipped their hand to their true nature. And with that, my friend, I bid thee a fond adieu...
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562. allahgore 8:17 PM GMT on March 07, 2013    
Quoting Neapolitan:
Now you're just making things up. You should either quote chapter and verse where you think I've done that, or retract the statement. Choose any other route, and it's back onto the ignore list with you.I know what the term means. I also know that having one's feelings hurt is a pretty poor reason to ignore a big heap o'science. And I also know when someone has tipped their hand to their true nature. And with that, my friend, I bid thee a fond adieu...



vox mihi a flumen!
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563. Neapolitan 2:40 PM GMT on March 08, 2013    
Quoting allahgore:
vox mihi a flumen!
FYI: ille qui simulat Latine loqui dissidet ista ineptias suasionem.
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