Something New in the Past Decade? Organizing U.S. Climate Modeling (1)

By: Dr. Ricky Rood , 5:05 AM GMT on February 05, 2011

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Something New in the Past Decade? Organizing U.S. Climate Modeling (1)

Next week in Washington a panel is convening to write about “A National Strategy for Advancing Climate Modeling.” (link) I am a member of this panel, and I have been asked to review an older report on which I was a lead author. The report was published in 2000, and it is still available on line at the USGCRP website. (U.S. Global Change Research Program)

When my co-authors and I wrote this report, we presented the results to several panels of distinguished people. Over the years, people have continued to send comments to me about the report. I contend that this report was different from a lot of other reports. I think it is safe to say that the authors of the report were chosen because of a willingness to look beyond their home agencies. Also we included as an author a sociologist who is expert in organizations and how to make organizations function.

The report was motivated by what I might call discontent by some of those responsible for oversight of Federal climate expenditures. There was in the late 1990s a (highly politicized) national assessment of climate change. Much of the information for model predictions came from Canadian and British models. This occurred despite the fact that not only were their several U.S. modeling efforts, but the U.S. spent (far) more money on modeling than these other countries. A natural question, what was wrong with the U.S. efforts?

In the report, we concluded some things that some of our colleagues considered radical. We focused much of our discussion on issues of management of scientific programs and organizations, and concluded that the culture and practice of science in the U.S. was, fundamentally, fragmenting. We even went as far as to state that “Without addressing these management issues, providing additional funds to the existing programs will not be effective in the development of the Climate Service." (Not sure that statement helped my career and reminding people of that might take me right through retirement.)

For my presentation next week, I need to return to the report and perhaps think about what is different in the past 10 years.

In the spirit of being conversational – there was press coverage of the report at the time, and most of that press coverage was in publications that focused on computing and supercomputing. We authors quickly regretted this emphasis on computing, and the document being cast as a “computing report.” True we did say that U.S. policy on supercomputing and our ability or inability to import supercomputers impacted, negatively, the competitiveness of U.S. climate and weather modeling. But we did not feel that our primary message was about computing.

Our primary message was meant to be about fragmentation and distribution of resources that could be brought together to address integrated problems such as climate assessments. The U.S. scientific culture values highly innovative, curiosity driven research. This is often best achieved through the efforts of individual scientists and small groups. This individuality is exciting, and it is how scientists get promoted. It develops a culture of expertise. Our point in the document was that there needed to be another path of scientific practice, one that valued the integration of all of the pieces and the production of validated, science-based products. We called this “product-driven” research. We could have as easily called it applied research.

So the question comes forward, how do we value product-driven research? It’s hard. In the U.S. we have this idea that if we generate products from our research, then that is in some way damaging to innovation and the generation of the “best science.” The “science” gets compromised. The word “operational” is invoked, and there is a prejudice that operational systems, ones that produce products on a schedule, must be less than they can and should be scientifically. Hence, anytime there is a push towards product-driven research, there is both individual and institutional resistance that rises to defeat the push. This makes sense, because it is asking people to change, and it is asking them to do something for which they cite plenty of evidence that it will assure less successful careers.

We have institutions where people are expected to work on community models but, at least historically, their performance plans make no mention of community activities. I have worked on documents for U.S. agencies as recently as 2010 where I tried to write that we were building climate models that could be used in energy planning, policy decisions, and by society to anticipate and plan for climate change. This, however, was deemed as contrary to the true agency mission of fundamental research for the benefit of the nation. People are hired to do multi-disciplinary research, but they are promoted or given tenure for their individual accomplishments in specific disciplines. Individuals are recognized for novel breakthroughs, programs are recognized for funding novel breakthroughs, and agencies are recognized for having programs that fund novel breakthroughs.

So in the final presentations we made of the 2000 Report we drew pictures like the one below. We put in arrows and money signs and suggested lines of management, and argued that there needed to be internalized incentive structures. (For those with energy, the article continues below the figure!)



Figure 1. An organization designed to deliver product-driven research (maybe what we should do).

What I have stated above is that the fragmented way we approach the practice of science is valued because it encourages innovation and fundamental discovery. One the other hand, it stands in way of the cross-disciplinary unifying branch of science. As climate scientists we have a need to perform assessments, and assessments are, by definition, cross-disciplinary unifying science. Therefore, to align our assets and efforts to perform assessments comes into basic conflict with not only our fragmented scientists and science organizations, but with the underlying culture of our practice of science.

The fragmentation extends beyond the practice of research. There are separate organizations responsible for high-performance computing, and they have their needs to demonstrate breakthroughs. Such a goal might be the greatest number of calculations in a second. Goals like that are achieved with special problems and computer codes, not with messy real problems like weather prediction and climate modeling. Computers are often provided for a set of grand challenge problems. Another point in the report was that the climate models and computational platforms needed to co-evolve; they needed to be managed together.

And if computers and models need to co-evolve, then there needs to be balanced development of software and data systems and analysis capabilities. In fact, in the 2000 report, we identified the greatest deficiency in federal investment being in software infrastructure. Since 2000, there has been significant development of software and data systems and analysis capabilities.

Perhaps then, there is some impact from the report, with more balance in the funding of all of the pieces that are needed in a robust climate program. The expenditures, however, are still fragmented, and the developments have a tendency to be independent. Even given the recognition that these expenditures are essential for a robust climate program, there is always a fight to maintain the expenditures as they are viewed to take away resources from “the science,” from research, from discovery. The program managers and software engineers and the data system professionals have to compete with the high profile breakthroughs of research and high-performance computing.

I paint here a fundamental characteristic of our practice of science. It is deeply ingrained, and in many ways, it is highly successful. Therefore, approaches to provide assessments, to address cross-disciplinary unifying science, to develop climate services – these approaches need to build from this practice and from these successes. This is a challenge to agencies who like to think in terms of re-organizations, institutions, and programmatic collocation of needed assets. Reorganization does not address the basic fact that the underlying structure is fundamentally fragmenting, that there is perceived value in that fragmentation, and that there is investment in that fragmentation.

In the 2000 report we described the type of organization that we thought was needed to address the issues of climate modeling, high-performance computing, and climate services. Today, I would nuance or refine that recommendation, based on emergence of community-based approaches to complex problem solving. A new type of organization is needed, one with stable, balanced, coordinated, product-focused investments in all of the elements necessary for science-based climate products. Essential in this organization is giving value to those who perform cross-disciplinary unifying scientific research to address complex problems. This is not reorganization or restructuring; this is not merging agencies and programs; this is focused, mindful development of a capability to achieve a specific, needed goal.

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266. martinitony
2:36 AM GMT on February 14, 2011
Quoting cyclonebuster:


LOL! Martini doesn't think a warming ocean can melt Arctic Ice also! LOL!



Cyclone, are the oceans warmer than last year or the year before.No, they are cooler.Therefore your remark is a little silly, isn't it?
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265. cyclonebuster
2:05 AM GMT on February 14, 2011
ONE WORD.

DISMAL!

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264. cyclonebuster
11:14 PM GMT on February 13, 2011
Quoting martinitony:


LOL, what part of the mass reflects sunlight Cyclone. Is it the part an inch deep, a yard deep or the undefined mass of the surface? Does the surface of the ice area have any mass? Last of all, what do you think the mass of your brain is?


LOL! Martini doesn't think a warming ocean can melt Arctic Ice also! LOL!

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263. atmoaggie
10:19 PM GMT on February 13, 2011
Quoting JFLORIDA:
Although arguably this food crisis did not originate in biofuels I think its important to quantify the effect the biofuel industry has on surpluses and demand for grain. These price pressures exist even before low crop harvest events stress the food system and are also something new that needs to be considered.


One quarter of US grain crops fed to cars - not people, new figures show
The importance of that is exactly what I was telling you a week ago...then it was BS because I said it.

Now it's not, all of a sudden. What a surprise.
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261. martinitony
7:24 PM GMT on February 13, 2011
Quoting cyclonebuster:


LOL! Mass is irrelevant now. LOL!


LOL, what part of the mass reflects sunlight Cyclone. Is it the part an inch deep, a yard deep or the undefined mass of the surface? Does the surface of the ice area have any mass? Last of all, what do you think the mass of your brain is?
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260. cyclonebuster
11:21 PM GMT on February 12, 2011
Quoting martinitony:


That's a real crock and you know it. The concern is the disappearance of all ice surface or most in the summer thereby reducing reducing the reflectivity of the polar cap. So what really matters is not the "record" lows you believe are taking place now, but if the cap is going to disappear or not. The fact is if the ice cover is adequate to reflect enough to do its "job when the sun is upon it, the ice depth is irrelevant.


LOL! Mass is irrelevant now. LOL!
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259. cyclonebuster
11:14 PM GMT on February 12, 2011
Quoting MichaelSTL:
Cyclonebuster, you should only post graphs like this:



Click to enlarge - yes, ice extent is at a record low again! So much for it being near average in one area or another (of course, it can only freeze up so much in many areas, thus the anomaly goes down to zero in the winter, as long as it can still completely freeze over; similarly, some areas that are normally ice free in the summer, like Hudson Bay, have no anomaly in the summer - it is fall and spring that are the important months).

PS: No need to listen to Cat5 anymore ...


I like using the NOAA/NASA charts on this so the conservatives/deniers can see how our government is dedicated to educating them on man made global warming. I mean let the numbers speak for themselves and then sooner or later the rest of us conservatives may finally get it!!!
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258. cyclonebuster
11:05 PM GMT on February 12, 2011
Quoting Patrap:
In no way will 948mb getcha a 185mph reading,

I concur


It will if they obviously don't know any better!
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253. martinitony
9:33 PM GMT on February 12, 2011
Quoting MichaelSTL:
Cyclonebuster, you should only post graphs like this:



Click to enlarge - yes, ice extent is at a record low again! So much for it being near average in one area or another (of course, it can only freeze up so much in many areas, thus the anomaly goes down to zero in the winter, as long as it can still completely freeze over; similarly, some areas that are normally ice free in the summer, like Hudson Bay, have no anomaly in the summer - it is fall and spring that are the important months).

PS: No need to listen to Cat5 anymore ...


That's a real crock and you know it. The concern is the disappearance of all ice surface or most in the summer thereby reducing reducing the reflectivity of the polar cap. So what really matters is not the "record" lows you believe are taking place now, but if the cap is going to disappear or not. The fact is if the ice cover is adequate to reflect enough to do its "job when the sun is upon it, the ice depth is irrelevant.
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251. Patrap
9:22 PM GMT on February 12, 2011
If you knew the History behind me and MichaelSTL,,u may find that assumption a tad,er

..off.

Science however is a language we both can approach in a Logical manner however.


Respect for each other is a learned trait however,one not mastered by all.




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247. Patrap
9:07 PM GMT on February 12, 2011
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246. Patrap
9:06 PM GMT on February 12, 2011
In no way will 948mb getcha a 185mph reading,

I concur
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243. sirmaelstrom
7:30 PM GMT on February 12, 2011
Quoting cyclonebuster:


Obviously you don't know how to read graphs.


LOL. Perhaps you explain it to me. What is the area of the Othotsk ice in Feb '10 and Feb '11? Looks like around 0.6 on both graphs (although I do see a recent drop to about 0.5.) The anomaly on both is about -0.3. What do you see?

On the Bering graph: I see an anomaly of about 0.0. Again, what are you seeing?

Hudson Bay: I see an anomaly of about -0.05. What do you see?

I'm curious to see how you are reading them, because apparently we are seeing different things.
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242. cyclonebuster
6:08 PM GMT on February 12, 2011
Quoting sirmaelstrom:
№ 237

Seriously--this is silly. According to your graph it's at the same level as a year ago. Note also that it peaked above the 1979-2008 mean last year.

I see also that your graphs in №s 234 & 236 show levels that are around the 1979-2008 average.




Obviously you don't know how to read graphs.
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240. sirmaelstrom
3:00 PM GMT on February 12, 2011
№ 237
Quoting cyclonebuster:
Same here also. OUCH! It may not even reach its full peak this year before it starts heading down gain this spring.Death spiral continues!




Seriously--this is silly. According to your graph it's at the same level as a year ago. Note also that it peaked above the 1979-2008 mean last year.

I see also that your graphs in №s 234 & 236 show levels that are around the 1979-2008 average.


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239. martinitony
2:38 PM GMT on February 12, 2011
Is The Weather Really Getting Weirder?

"But is it true? To answer that question, you need to understand whether recent weather trends are extreme by historical standards. The Twentieth Century Reanalysis Project is the latest attempt to find out, using super-computers to generate a dataset of global atmospheric circulation from 1871 to the present.

As it happens, the project's initial findings, published last month, show no evidence of an intensifying weather trend. "In the climate models, the extremes get more extreme as we move into a doubled CO2 world in 100 years," atmospheric scientist Gilbert Compo, one of the researchers on the project, tells me from his office at the University of Colorado, Boulder. "So we were surprised that none of the three major indices of climate variability that we used show a trend of increased circulation going back to 1871."

In other words, researchers have yet to find evidence of more-extreme weather patterns over the period, contrary to what the models predict. "There's no data-driven answer yet to the question of how human activity has affected extreme weather," adds Roger Pielke Jr., another University of Colorado climate researcher."

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238. cyclonebuster
10:14 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
All this really means is thinner ice to melt this spring and a warmer ocean where the ice didn't exist this winter which will melt more ice this summer.
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237. cyclonebuster
10:05 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
Same here also. OUCH! It may not even reach its full peak this year before it starts heading down gain this spring.Death spiral continues!


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236. cyclonebuster
10:04 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
Same here also. OUCH! It may not even reach its full peak this year before it starts heading down gain this spring.Death spiral continues!

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235. cyclonebuster
10:03 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
Same here also. OUCH! It may not even reach its full peak this year before it starts heading down gain this spring.Death spiral continues!

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234. cyclonebuster
10:01 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
OUCH! It may not even reach its full peak this year before it starts heading down gain this spring.Death spiral continues!


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233. cyclonebuster
8:50 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
Many power plants these days are combined cycled units that have heat rates below 7000 much lower than the older units that are not combined cycled that have heat rates of 11000.
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232. cyclonebuster
8:44 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
Quoting JFLORIDA:
Mind over matter. I dont mind cause it doesnt really matter.

Skeptical has a gazillion handles anyway. Same old thing day in and out.

So CB I thought the OTEC stuff was cool. India has a floating rig already.

I dont know what displacing that water will do though.


Bill Patzert told me about that unit in Hawaii many moon ago.
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231. cyclonebuster
8:40 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
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230. cyclonebuster
8:39 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
Quoting MichaelSTL:


Just block, ban, and ignore HaloReachFan.


It is easy to combine two systems to make a combined cycled unit..
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229. HaloReachFan
6:03 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
Quoting JFLORIDA:
Incidentally you could have gone through kindergarten to a PhD in the amount of time this has been a mainstream issue.


You can admit it.

You're in it for the politics of it.

It is alright.
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227. Patrap
5:57 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
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226. HaloReachFan
5:56 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
Quoting JFLORIDA:
Skep when you go back, reattempt AND complete that first year of community college you tell me and ill take you off ignore. K?


Yet you supposedly make money off of artwork.

Even though you are a tax consumer.

When you go back and actually take a college course that doesn't have the word art in it I'll actually not laugh when reading your posts.

K?

Oh and I've passed my first year of college.

Stalker much.

I do believe so.
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225. Patrap
5:52 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
#222


Interesting,,



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222. HaloReachFan
5:42 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
I don't have a gazillion handles.

Another lie.

You lie all the time.

Bring it Patrap no proof.

This is ridiculous.

The things you people try to clutch at.

Also the things that go on behind the scenes.

And you act like the innocent group.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

But it doesn't surprise me one bit.
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219. HaloReachFan
5:20 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
Quoting MichaelSTL:


Just block, ban, and ignore HaloReachFan.


He lied about me many times.

MANY TIMES!

Yet provides NO PROOF.

CB understands.

You people try to take his dream away.

Shame on YOU!!
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216. cyclonebuster
2:43 PM GMT on February 11, 2011
OTEC HEATS THE DEEP OCEAN! If combined with the tunnels that would be eliminated.
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I'm a professor at U Michigan and lead a course on climate change problem solving. These articles often come from and contribute to the course.