Update: PWS Dashboard Development

By: Kari Strenfel , 9:07 PM GMT on April 17, 2014

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Hello everybody,

My name is Shaun Tanner and, or those of you who have never had contact with me over the past 10 years while I have worked for Weather Underground, I have worked as a meteorologist with significant contact with the Personal Weather Station community. Over the past year, however, my role has transitioned to more of a development supervisor. My main job is to make sure products get completed and development teams have what they need to meet their goals.

This is why I am writing this blog. Since we launched the new site earlier this week, we have fielded many comments, complaints, and some compliments regarding the new PWS Dashboard. It became very clear to us that a significant number of Weather Underground station owners were not happy with the changes we made. The negative comments came in two categories:

1. We heard about, and were able to replicate, several bugs within the dashboard itself. These bugs lessened the overall experience and prevented owners from seeing their data efficiently.

2. Many weather station owners were unhappy with the new layout of the dashboard. A lot of the comments stated that because of the new layout, it was harder to see their weather information with the ease of the previous interface.

The dashboard was never meant to be concrete and we always expected to have to fix coding bugs and design tweaks after the launch. In fact, the rest of the site is like that as well, as all of our developers are fixing things with the site-at-large on a daily basis. However, I must take responsibility for the state that the dashboard was launched. The dashboard was launched to beta some time ago, and we should have put more time in to testing the product before pushing it live earlier this week. For this, I must apologize.

Thus, I am here to tell the entire PWS community that the team responsible for the dashboard is refocusing on the dashboard to fix the bugs and vastly improve its interface. The development will work in two phases:

1. The team has targeted four main bugs that it will fix, pushing the fixes live to the community on the current dashboard within the next week. Fixing these bugs will make the dashboard much more usable and friendly in the short term until the development team launches the new interface.

2. Based PWS owner feedback, the team has designed a new interface that will do away with the tab idea from the current dashboard. Instead, all of the weather station data (current conditions, webcam, historical data, etc.) will be displayed on one page, much as it was before the launch of the dashboard. These changes will take a bit longer to develop, but with this being the team's sole current goal, we will push out the changes as soon as possible. I pledge to keep this blog updated with the newest information from the team. That will be my promise to you.

The PWS community has been a staple of the Weather Underground community for longer than even I have been a part of this company. Heck, I am a weather station owner myself! So, the last thing we would want to do is to produce something that the community would be unhappy with. Our goal was to produce a fresher, more usable product that the community could use and show off to their friends and family. I am committed to making a product you will happy with, so please give the team and me feedback until we get it right.


Shaun

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51. snowbookie
3:06 PM GMT on May 16, 2014
Why do I keep getting loading error on radio player ????
Member Since: February 7, 2006 Posts: 0 Comments: 1
50. sunsluv
7:28 PM GMT on April 27, 2014
Yesterday was the first day we have had rain since the "BIG" change. I noticed that the Tabular Weather History for Precipitation must be showing rain rate, and not accumulation. My TOTAL accumulation for April 26 was .05 inches, yet the tables show: 0.08, 0.08, 0.05.  http://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-stat ion/dashboard?ID=KAZMAYER4#history/data/s20140426/ e20140426/mtoday
Member Since: December 30, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 10
49. storm1968
6:02 PM GMT on April 26, 2014
Hi I have been using WU for a couple of years and find the changes as a whole all for the better
however I don't no if it is just me, I find it is not that easy to upload photo's, perhaps you could
have a look at this procedure (unless it is just me LOL).
Like I say though I do like the new dashboard and find the information a lot easier to understand.

kEEP UP THE GOOD WORK Geoff Rhyl Weather
Member Since: June 23, 2013 Posts: 0 Comments: 1
48. Admiraltk
2:32 PM GMT on April 26, 2014
I generally like the look and feel of the new dashboard. I agree the less tabs the better. If it is possible to put more information on the default page without crowding this would be an improvement
Member Since: June 1, 2013 Posts: 0 Comments: 0
47. Batbihirulau
10:39 AM GMT on April 24, 2014
Hi,
The new design looks great, but I would like to make suggestions in order to improve it a little more:
1-i use to connect to my PWS every day (and to the surrounding one also), in order to monitor the graphs.
In the new design, I noticed the data are not automatically updated and the curves ramain static until a manual refresh.

2-After a manual refresh of the screen, the whole graphs are automaticaly re-scaled: the end time of the curves becomes the current time.
It would be great this end time remains the end of the day.

These are cosmetic issues ...

Regards

Batbihirulau
Member Since: June 17, 2013 Posts: 0 Comments: 0
46. Brillig
5:46 PM GMT on April 23, 2014
A great new feature in the new design is the ability to delete multiple rows of erroneous data in a single go. Fortunately, I've not yet had to use this feature. Please ensure it stays as part of the redesign. I can't think of anything else about the new layout that I like better than the old.

One thing I miss about the new design (maybe I'm just missing where it is) is that there no longer seems to be a link where you can get a tabular listing of nearby stations whose data is updated in real time. The wundermap is nice, but doesn't show as much information per station as the tabular listing does. If this blog posting is a solicitation for which features to bring back, mark me down for bringing this one back.

Navigating the classic pages, I thought I found the link that produces what I'm referring to, but even it doesn't seem to show the tabular results anymore. Here is a sample.
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45. eldostatepark
4:05 PM GMT on April 23, 2014
Please PLEASE go back to the old format- the graphs looked so much more professional, loaded up quicker, and info was tons easier to find. I sware, it takes me 15 clicks to find my station's max/min temperature now. In addition, your interface is initiating some kind of script (I run linux) that freezes my machine each time I try and look at my station's data.
What the heck is going on? I have had my friends think I did all these changes! Your new format is HORRIBLE.
Just go back to the old nice looking graphs and leave the stuff alone. The new interface is so bad I think I will no longer
look at it and have to go to my own PC and forget about using the stuff on line. PLEASE!!! Whose PHD idea was this change
anyway?
Member Since: December 4, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 1
44. sunsluv
4:52 PM GMT on April 22, 2014

The monthly and yearly graphs only show averages for temperature and dew point, not the high and lows. 


I would like to see buttons for PREVIOUS day, week, or month and NEXT day, week, or month  instead of the pull-down menu for these options.


Also, the custom search feature is way off. When I searched for Aug. 24-Aug 26 2013, the Tabular Weather History for 24 Aug 2013 - 26 Aug 2013 gives me Aug 24 through Sept 24 with incorrect Weather Summary data in the upper boxes.

http://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-stat ion/dashboard?ID=KAZMAYER4#history/data/s20130824/ e20130826/mtoday 


On the new forecast page http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/h dfForecast?query=34.283%2C-112.199&sp=KAZMAYER 4 , the Rapid Fire does not update automatically like it did before in the list of Weather Stations towards the bottom of the page. It take minutes now, instead of seconds to show any changes.

Check out the Classic page which is still working correctly:  http://classic.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweath er/getForecast?query=86333

Member Since: December 30, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 10
43. sal9000
7:27 AM GMT on April 22, 2014
I would like to see the page reached by clicking on the PWS call letters that showed the pws current temp at the top left with the high temp (so far) to the right of it. Followed by other pws info including the day's low temp (so far), the day's total precipitation (so far), followed by weather charts and a list of temperatures at that pws, for the entire day, at 6 minute intervals, which was recently changed to, I think, 15 minute intervals (not good), each line including wind speed and direction, rate of rainfall at the moment of that reading next to the day's total accumulation. That information is very helpful to determine whether the bike paths around manhattan are dry enough to skate on, depending on whether there were sustainable periods with good temperatures and substantial wind to dry them after the occurrence of an earlier rainfall. I'm sure the pws still record that data to somewhere. you have either discontinued good data people rely on because you are a person who does not engage in any outdoor sports or exercise and none of that data was ever of any use to you as a person who never needs any kind of weather information other than just enough to determine whether or not to carry an umbrella for the 4 five minute periods when you're hailing a cab to go to work or dinner and back home again, or it was a mistake that simply needs to be fixed. You still work in NYC, right? Please replace that information, thank you.
Member Since: January 22, 2009 Posts: 0 Comments: 0
42. JEBTucson
4:45 AM GMT on April 22, 2014
Any plans to bring back the history page? The comments I'm getting from members of my HOA is that they miss the old history page as it gave all the PWS history at a glance.
James
Member Since: February 11, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 7
41. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
6:00 AM GMT on April 21, 2014
PWSmet has created a new entry.
40. CaptTomScabbard
5:33 AM GMT on April 21, 2014
I have noticed the accumulated precipitation is no longer being calculated based upon rainfall rates. My station only reports the rate and it was helpful that WU calculated the value since the daily accumulation is not part of my upload. Any chance you could set the logic to display the uploaded value by default and use the calculated as a fallback?
Member Since: October 23, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 0
39. mckTXaws
7:37 PM GMT on April 20, 2014
Also another thing I noticed is the left side of the dashboard (humidity, rain, barometer, etc) is in rapid fire while the right side (solar, UV, Leaf wetness, etc) is only updated by refreshing the browser. I would like the solar, UV, and leaf/soil data in rapid fire as well. It's a bit annoying to have to hit the refresh button to see the latest solar or UV.
Member Since: April 30, 2008 Posts: 36 Comments: 78
38. JEBTucson
3:41 PM GMT on April 20, 2014
Hi Shaun
What might help your developers would be to drop the name "dashboard" and use the name "History".
Now they can concentrate on what should go into a PWS history page: highs, lows, ave.,, current, tabular data, controls to change the time period, summary graphs, etc.
Then move on to a detailed forecast page where the forecast is based on the PWS, if you have sufficient PWS data. Let your customers know what the estimated accuracy is for both the forecast highs and lows. Here you could possibly plot 1 or 2 sigma lines. Don't just concentrate on the highs as many folks are more interested in what the low temps will be.
Well, I'll stop here. I think you know where I'm going with this.
Thanks
James
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37. Engxladso
9:29 AM GMT on April 20, 2014
I need to report a bug with the history pages with Safari on the ipad running iOS 5. The drop down which allows selection of previous days appears behind other page elements and is unable to respond to inputs such as tapping on input elements.
Member Since: November 18, 2012 Posts: 0 Comments: 7
36. mckTXaws
5:01 AM GMT on April 20, 2014
Glad the solar and UV is showing on graphs. Feel guilty for asking more but later in the future maybe leaf wetness, soil moisture and soil temperature. I know only a fraction stations actually report this stuf which is why it's not a priority. Would be nice for us gardeners. Just a thought. As I said before I feel guilty for asking more after y'all got the solar data fixed.
Member Since: April 30, 2008 Posts: 36 Comments: 78
35. mckTXaws
4:37 AM GMT on April 20, 2014
Love the solar and UV graphs. Thanks for the updates.
Member Since: April 30, 2008 Posts: 36 Comments: 78
34. bennyboy92
2:00 AM GMT on April 20, 2014
The graphs don't work right.
Member Since: July 26, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 1
33. LAAstronut
5:54 PM GMT on April 19, 2014
I like the ability to edit, but this feature is flawed. My station malfunctioned last year a few times and reported extremely erroneous data. I would like to delete those days completely, but there is no ability to do this. I tried to delete each entry for those days, and got even more bizarre table data, including minimum dew point of -100 and minimum temperature of -200 for those days. I hope this gets fixed.
Member Since: January 14, 2013 Posts: 0 Comments: 0
32. SamplingTech
5:47 PM GMT on April 19, 2014
I have to admit that the larger graphs and sliding pointer bar in weather history are easier to get details from - Bravo! I would like to see the Celsius temperature scale put back onto the graph (Fahrenheit on left and Celsius on right) as we had before. Another interesting option would be being able to narrow into a specific time frame of the day - say a 4 hour period - to get a zoomed in graph. A quick link to get to the next day's or previous day's data and if zoomed in to get the next or previous time frame's graph.

Thank you.
Member Since: April 19, 2014 Posts: 0 Comments: 0
31. lrymal
5:29 PM GMT on April 19, 2014
Howdy...... I'd like to also request that the webcams have auto-refresh to be re-enabled. Previous version had that. Thanks!
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30. Shaun Tanner , Senior Meteorologist (Admin)
3:48 PM GMT on April 19, 2014
Quoting 28. garykirk:

Shaun,
Just a general comment here... As a weather station owner, I can tell you that the old site was very well optimized from the owners perspective. It got us the things we needed to know, was rock solid, had a few things that could have been improved, but got the job done. My main gripe is not that you had a lot (well maybe a few more than a lot) of major bugs in the new design, with people had provided feed back to you on, and you did not fix them. Speaking for me only, After finding and reporting several problems, and seeing others do the same, WITHOUT them being fixed, I just went back to the old site, and chalked it up to a work in progress. What got to me was that you IMPLEMENTED it, replaced the old links and just dumped the thing on us without asking anyone. If you had taken a poll of station owners, I suspect we would not be where we are today. You have made a mess of it, and now there is no turning back. I for one, will be watching to see how rapidly you fix all the other bugs which have been reported. One of the bad bugs reported here below is the inability to link to other web stations and view this data. This leads me to believe that the people who coded this new site had no insight into how it is used, and did not study carefully each function provided in the old site. This should have been done up front. Maybe you need to have a designer go back and review the functionality more carefully. In the mean time, I personally would settle for a FULLY FUNCTIONAL classic site.... (just the way it was before the switch over.). That way the pressure is off you to fix the 1000 little cuts opened up by this move.


Thanks for your input. This is exactly why we are making the redesign process as transparent as we are able this time, with frequent updates on where we are in the development process. That way, we can be more sure that we are listening while we are getting everything to work properly.
29. Shaun Tanner , Senior Meteorologist (Admin)
3:46 PM GMT on April 19, 2014
Quoting 23. NH511:

Good to know you're going back to putting all the info on one page. Please, pretty please, go back to letting us read other PWS's graphical/chart information. I'm a foreman for DOT and rely heavily on this data for temperature trending in order to deploy snow plow crews in a timely and cost effective manner.


This is a great use of the PWS data, so we will definitely take this into account when improving upon the dashboard.
28. garykirk
1:56 PM GMT on April 19, 2014
Shaun,
Just a general comment here... As a weather station owner, I can tell you that the old site was very well optimized from the owners perspective. It got us the things we needed to know, was rock solid, had a few things that could have been improved, but got the job done. My main gripe is not that you had a lot (well maybe a few more than a lot) of major bugs in the new design, with people had provided feed back to you on, and you did not fix them. Speaking for me only, After finding and reporting several problems, and seeing others do the same, WITHOUT them being fixed, I just went back to the old site, and chalked it up to a work in progress. What got to me was that you IMPLEMENTED it, replaced the old links and just dumped the thing on us without asking anyone. If you had taken a poll of station owners, I suspect we would not be where we are today. You have made a mess of it, and now there is no turning back. I for one, will be watching to see how rapidly you fix all the other bugs which have been reported. One of the bad bugs reported here below is the inability to link to other web stations and view this data. This leads me to believe that the people who coded this new site had no insight into how it is used, and did not study carefully each function provided in the old site. This should have been done up front. Maybe you need to have a designer go back and review the functionality more carefully. In the mean time, I personally would settle for a FULLY FUNCTIONAL classic site.... (just the way it was before the switch over.). That way the pressure is off you to fix the 1000 little cuts opened up by this move.
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27. garykirk
12:44 PM GMT on April 19, 2014
Quoting 23. NH511:

Good to know you're going back to putting all the info on one page. Please, pretty please, go back to letting us read other PWS's graphical/chart information. I'm a foreman for DOT and rely heavily on this data for temperature trending in order to deploy snow plow crews in a timely and cost effective manner.

Interesting... had not noticed that they had taken off the local weather station map from the CLASSIC page and dumbed down the new page does not have a link to their site. This maybe be some kind of new evil thing, or maybe it is just another of their hundreds of oversights which are still with us.

HOWEVER, I discovered that IF you know the weather station's call sign, you can look it up and look at their graphs and tables. Try it if you have any of the other call signs on your snow list.
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26. garykirk
12:28 PM GMT on April 19, 2014
Its great that you finally have the solar and UV graphs fixed, however, I was appalled to discover that there are no stats in the tables!!! So I am here to ask when you expect to add the solar statistics to the tables, and since nothing can be assumed I guess, make sure the historical table data for solar can be viewed also. This feature is not available now, but it should be, as solar data is extremely useful when trying to arrive at a solar array production rate for a particular site.. I am a solar array owner, so this data is extremely valuable to me.

Also, thank you for adding the ability for the dashboard page to remember its layout.

Noticed a bug in the dashboard graphs.... if you select, say PAST MONTH, and then go back to select TODAY , the graphs for today are wildly out of kilter.

Do I need to put in a request for the Solar data to appear in the tables, and a bug report for the graphs, or is this comment sufficient? .
Member Since: January 6, 2011 Posts: 0 Comments: 10
25. Rustidad
11:49 AM GMT on April 19, 2014
Not sure what's going on with intellelink site, their sister site, but only a select few stations are listed per city. These must be only the elite wunderground stations that pay top dollar in donations or are owned by those that subscribe to the strict wunderground beliefs........
Member Since: October 11, 2012 Posts: 0 Comments: 0
24. bocaben
9:59 AM GMT on April 19, 2014
The summary of the tables doesn't update. That is, if I switch from "today" or "yesterday" to "past week" or "past month," the precipitation totals don't change at all. At least for me, using Google Chrome to view my PWS. I'd comment on the temperature data as well, but it's harder to check, as I live in south Florida where there isn't enough swing to give me obvious outliers...
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23. NH511
8:17 AM GMT on April 19, 2014
Good to know you're going back to putting all the info on one page. Please, pretty please, go back to letting us read other PWS's graphical/chart information. I'm a foreman for DOT and rely heavily on this data for temperature trending in order to deploy snow plow crews in a timely and cost effective manner.
Member Since: November 29, 2010 Posts: 0 Comments: 1
22. RenoSoHill
2:20 AM GMT on April 19, 2014
Nexrad radar not correct - in selecting Reno or Elko NV brings up the Portland OR area
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21. SouthShreveport
1:24 AM GMT on April 19, 2014
All my reading are in metric. and I do know it will not go down to 13* tonight. maybe 60* . all of the station I view say the same. It was correct about 1:00 today 4/18/14. I hope you can correct this very soon. I do love the new upgrade if you can get it corrected.
Don KLASHRE13
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20. Shaun Tanner , Senior Meteorologist (Admin)
8:03 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
Quoting 19. SCADAMON:

I would like to see WU add "UV Index" and "Solar" back into the "Graphs & History" section.


This will be added with the next update. Thanks for commenting.
19. SCADAMON
7:39 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
I would like to see WU add "UV Index" and "Solar" back into the "Graphs & History" section.
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18. JohnW
6:52 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
Generally like the new Dashboard and Graphs but have one issue. Living in Maine at this time of year our temps are swinging 20-30 degrees in a day. The graphing for temps in particular is not set up to display the full temp swing for the day so the afternoon temps are off the graph.

Is there anyway of adjusting the display range or offset the graph to display these temps?
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17. ricderr
6:43 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
folks...it's time to unite....time to show strength through solidarity!!!!


please read and if you support leave a comment.....


ON STRIKE
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16. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
6:29 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
thanks shaun for this blog I have been hearing and reading a lot of issues from PWS owners and now that you are addressing the issues I will direct peeps here to supply feedback

I have even been at other web forums where there has been some complaining with the set up and what not

myself I have been telling members that there is still fine tuning to be done so to hold on before jumping the gun sorta speak

again thanks for the blog and I will do my best to redirect anyone with issue's to post on this blog

regards
KOTG
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15. sunsluv
6:17 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
After checking out my daily summary graphs on the Classic Wunderground page,
I discovered that the NEW Dashboard PWS temperature graph only shows the "AVERAGE" temperatures, not the highs and lows. This doesn't make any sense at all! Please fix this!

  • NEW Dashboard PWS 12 month graph: Link
  • NEW Dashboard PWS 12 month table: Link
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14. katy99780
5:11 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
Quoting 12. shauntanner:



These links are absolutely coming back in the new layout. This is something the community missed so we will definitely make sure they are back.
EXCELLENT!
Quoting 3. katy99780:

Since I don't have radar near me (215 miles away) I don't get ANY radar information, and I miss that. Please make my nearest radar available to me on the larger map, so I can see what is or might be coming, and the direction of changing patterns.
I have found my nearest Radar (Fairbanks Alaska) under the Nexrad tab, I am happy!
Quoting 3. katy99780:

I would like to see the National Weather Service offered as a default source for information, or at least as an option.
I have also found the NWS preference tab, thank you for including that! The more I explore the site, the more I like it, and I know there will be improvements in the near future as well.
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13. Shaun Tanner , Senior Meteorologist (Admin)
1:48 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
Quoting 10. StephH:

I guess I'm the only person who likes the new format? :) I'll admit, it took me a month or so to get used to, but now that I know where to go for the things I need, I like it! I like the sunrise/sunset info right up front (helps me plan my runs!), I like the radar on the right and its ease of use, and I love the graphical version of the 10-day forecast with the movable cursor line. I like that the almanac is easy to scroll to, as well. At first I missed the quick link to the community pictures right up top, but I honestly spent way too much time going through them, so it's probably better for me if they're not front and center. :)

I was happy to be given an opportunity to beta test the new format and I was pleased that the developers really LISTENED to comments we made. Several comments I made at the beginning were addressed. Thank you for that!

I hope all the PWS owners will take some time to get to know the new format and give it a chance. Change is no fun, but after the initial frustration wears off, there CAN be positives if you look for them. I LIKE the fact that it's less busy than the old format...it's cleaner and easier to read. It's 2014, and I know that companies need to create websites that work better on ALL kinds of devices, and that's what this site does. There's a lot of GOOD in this new format, and I hope I get a chance to keep it, because after 3 months, I've grown attached to it. :)

Thank you to the developers for all your hard work!! And thank you for giving me a place where I can have an outlet for my weather passion. I spent way too much money updating my PWS last summer, but the joy it has given me is immeasurable (especially after Detroit's hardest winter ever!). Without WU, I wouldn't have easy access to my data from anywhere. Thank you!!


We do appreciate you comments. While we are making changes to the existing product, we believe the current produce under development is a step above the live version. Most of the existing features you like will remain, and it will be more concise.
12. Shaun Tanner , Senior Meteorologist (Admin)
1:45 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
Quoting 7. NormShea:

Shaun, your comments are appreciated. It is never easy undertaking such a substantive change to a website. I, for one, really like the new format overall; the graphs with the "hoverable" information and especially the accumulated precipitation. So, thank you for your efforts.

And I did try out the beta for both the main site and the PWS site, but there were a couple of things I didn't notice at the time that I hope can be incorporated into any future versions. In the Graphs & History, I found the "Previous" and "Next" links to be very useful, whether it be for Day, Week, Month or Year; it made "clicking" through history very easy. With the new format, to go back through those history graphs is very cumbersome, so I hope those links can be brought back. And, I know this is in the works, but wanted to reiterate the desire to have the solar radiation information included in the PWS information.

Again, though, thank you to you and your team for all the work that has gone into this.
Norm Shea
KSCCHARL26 and KSCKIAWA1


These links are absolutely coming back in the new layout. This is something the community missed so we will definitely make sure they are back.
11. CZIbirder
1:03 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
Thank you Shaun -- appreciate you and your teams work - I love weather and enjoy checking others PWS as well as our own- don't know if these comments are anonymous or you see sites - ours is City of St George - Carrabelle - we look at our data and compare for accuracy daily --- love WU
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10. StephH
12:52 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
I guess I'm the only person who likes the new format? :) I'll admit, it took me a month or so to get used to, but now that I know where to go for the things I need, I like it! I like the sunrise/sunset info right up front (helps me plan my runs!), I like the radar on the right and its ease of use, and I love the graphical version of the 10-day forecast with the movable cursor line. I like that the almanac is easy to scroll to, as well. At first I missed the quick link to the community pictures right up top, but I honestly spent way too much time going through them, so it's probably better for me if they're not front and center. :)

I was happy to be given an opportunity to beta test the new format and I was pleased that the developers really LISTENED to comments we made. Several comments I made at the beginning were addressed. Thank you for that!

I hope all the PWS owners will take some time to get to know the new format and give it a chance. Change is no fun, but after the initial frustration wears off, there CAN be positives if you look for them. I LIKE the fact that it's less busy than the old format...it's cleaner and easier to read. It's 2014, and I know that companies need to create websites that work better on ALL kinds of devices, and that's what this site does. There's a lot of GOOD in this new format, and I hope I get a chance to keep it, because after 3 months, I've grown attached to it. :)

Thank you to the developers for all your hard work!! And thank you for giving me a place where I can have an outlet for my weather passion. I spent way too much money updating my PWS last summer, but the joy it has given me is immeasurable (especially after Detroit's hardest winter ever!). Without WU, I wouldn't have easy access to my data from anywhere. Thank you!!
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9. lrymal
12:46 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
Howdy Shaun and team. Thanks for your efforts. During my previous life, I designed web pages, but am retired now and would rather you youngsters participate in the fun! Remember, you can always "CODE HTML FOR FOOD."

Anyway, in the list of stations option, the previous version would have a camera icon appear adjacent to a weather station's name which is using a webcam. If that could be brought back, it would be nice.

Hang in there and make plenty of backups!
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8. Howdy1836
12:17 PM GMT on April 18, 2014
I am new to all of this and my PWS has been working great. However, around the time the changes were made, the data stopped downloading. My PWS status is still showing green and the real time data is still on weatherlink. I don't know what to do.
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7. NormShea
10:53 AM GMT on April 18, 2014
Shaun, your comments are appreciated. It is never easy undertaking such a substantive change to a website. I, for one, really like the new format overall; the graphs with the "hoverable" information and especially the accumulated precipitation. So, thank you for your efforts.

And I did try out the beta for both the main site and the PWS site, but there were a couple of things I didn't notice at the time that I hope can be incorporated into any future versions. In the Graphs & History, I found the "Previous" and "Next" links to be very useful, whether it be for Day, Week, Month or Year; it made "clicking" through history very easy. With the new format, to go back through those history graphs is very cumbersome, so I hope those links can be brought back. And, I know this is in the works, but wanted to reiterate the desire to have the solar radiation information included in the PWS information.

Again, though, thank you to you and your team for all the work that has gone into this.
Norm Shea
KSCCHARL26 and KSCKIAWA1
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6. monash
7:26 AM GMT on April 18, 2014
Hello Shaun.
Could the weather station list be expansed somewhat?
There's a lot missing, especially in the Fine Offset and La Crosse range.

Thanks from Down Under.
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5. marke190
6:06 AM GMT on April 18, 2014
Shaun, I appreciate your candor that this rollout has been buggy and less than successful.  Since you seem to be cataloging bugs, here's another one for you.

My PWS, IMICHOAC7, is reporting fine from Patzcuaro, Mexico. The nearest airport station, MMPN, is 45 miles away, 2,000 feet lower, and only reports hourly between 7 am and 7 pm.  We have a webcam on our station, marke190CAM2.  If you go to the camera at this link:
http://www.wunderground.com/webcams/marke190/2/sh ow.html
the correct image is there.

I'm writing this at 12:35 a.m.  It is currently 57F in Patzcuaro, but the above page says the current conditions are 81F.  That was the temperature at MMPN at 6:40 pm, the last time they reported, slightly less than six hours ago.

That's the problem -- your code seems to prefer a stale reading from a distant airport to the correct, current reading from our PWS.  And you then display the bad reading as "current conditions" on the webcam page.  That's absurd.

Now, it gets stranger.  I click on two other links for local webcams whose URLs I borrow for our station:
http://www.wunderground.com/webcams/marke190/3/sh ow.html
http://www.wunderground.com/webcams/marke190/1/sh ow.html
They both show 54F, which is from who knows where, since we're currently reporting 56.7F.  And if I go back to the first link for CAM2, now it's also saying 54F instead of 81F.  Maybe it gave up on MMPN as I crossed the six hour mark at 12:40 a.m., but where does 54F come from? Nothing on Wundermap in a 100 mile radius has that reading.  Is it a forecast value that you're reporting as "current conditions?"  Why not just use the correct PWS temperature that's only 15 feet away from the webcam?

Thanks for listening, and I hope you can work through the bug problems.  I've been a software developer for close to 50 years and know how difficult it can be to roll out a new system and quickly discover that it's riddled with bugs if it wasn't adequately tested.

Mark E.
Patzcuaro, Michoacan, Mexico
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4. PLJ960
2:49 AM GMT on April 18, 2014
Quoting 2. PLJ960:

Wunderground has my PWS coordinates and elevation in error. If this is not corrected in a timely fashion, I will deactivate my account.


Please give me the correct coordinates and I will correct them ASAP.
Have they always been wrong?
The lat/lon coordinates should have been set when you signed up your weather station.
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3. katy99780
1:52 AM GMT on April 18, 2014
I like having the sunrise/sunset data that includes civil twilight, nautical twilight, and other astronomy info right there on the 'front page'.

I also like seeing the aviation information right there 'at a glance' on the front page too.

Since I don't have radar near me (215 miles away) I don't get ANY radar information, and I miss that. Please make my nearest radar available to me on the larger map, so I can see what is or might be coming, and the direction of changing patterns.

History is a bit difficult, as I use that data (except temperature) for my daily reports to the NWS. Perhaps I will get used to that in time.

My elevation information is incorrect since the new launch, but I am not going to change it, just going to go along for awhile while the bugs get worked out. When the site seems stable and secure, I'll see it elevation corrects itself, and if not I'll re-enter correct information.

I would like to see the National Weather Service offered as a default source for information, or at least as an option.

Shaun Tanner, you are doing a fine, conscientious job in a difficult situation.
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2. PLJ960
1:33 AM GMT on April 18, 2014
Wunderground has my PWS coordinates and elevation in error. If this is not corrected in a timely fashion, I will deactivate my account.
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1. Wynnsol
12:57 AM GMT on April 18, 2014
In general I'm ok with it. like the moving cursor on the graphs, w/the readout of the identified value[s].

But where's the solar graph!!! I REALLY miss that!

I think having everything back on one page will be better.
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