Jet stream moved northwards 270 miles in 22 years; climate change to blame?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:11 PM GMT on June 05, 2008

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Climate change is forcing the jet stream higher and closer to the pole in both the Northern and Southern Hemisphere, according research published this April in the journal Geophysical Research Letters. In their paper, "Historical trends in the jet streams", researchers Cristina Archer and Ken Caldeira of Stanford's Carnegie Institution of Washington analyzed data from 1979-2001, and found that the Northern Hemisphere jet stream moved northward at approximately 125 miles per decade (270 miles during the 22-year period of the study). The jet moved higher by 5-23 meters during this period, and the wind speeds decreased by about 1 mph. Archer and Caldeira's study confirms other research showing a poleward movement of the jet stream in recent decades (Fu et al., 2006; Hu and Fu, 2007). All of these changes are consistent with the behavior of the jet stream predicted by global warming theory. For example, Lorenz and DeWeaver (2007) found poleward shifts of the jet stream by 2100 in the forecasts of 15 climate models used to formulate the "official" word on climate, the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC) report. However, the authors were careful not to say how much of this shift in the jet stream was due to natural causes versus human-caused climate change. It is unknown if the jet stream has natural decades-long changes in its path that could account for the observed poleward shift.


Figure 1. The jet stream is located where the strongest winds at the top of the troposphere are found (35,000-45,000 feet high, 200-300 mb in pressure).

Archer and Caldeira note that "These changes in jet stream latitude, altitude, and strength have likely affected, and perhaps will continue to affect, the formation and evolution of storms in the mid-latitudes and of hurricanes in the sub-tropical regions." They don't specify what these changes might be. There is very little research that has been done suggesting how changes in the jet stream might affect hurricane formation and strength. One effect we may begin to see in coming decades is a reduction and/or delay in the number of hurricanes that recurve northward out to sea. Recurvature occurs when a hurricane begins to "feel" the westerly winds of the jet stream. As the jet stream continues to move northward and weaken as the globe warms, we can expect that hurricanes moving though the Caribbean will be less likely to recurve, resulting in more hurricane strikes in Mexico and Central America. Unfortunately, the quality of the Atlantic hurricane database for non-U.S. landfalls is not very good, and it will be several decades before we will be able to tell if the number of hurricane landfalls in Mexico and Central America is increasing due to a poleward shift in the jet stream.

References
Fu, Q., C. M. Johanson, J. M. Wallace, and T. Reichler (2006), Enhanced mid-latitude tropospheric warming in satellite measurements, Science, 312, 1179, doi:10.1126/science.1125566.

Hu, Y., and Q. Fu (2007), Observed poleward expansion of the Hadley circulation since 1979, Atmos. Chem. Phys. Disc., 7, 9367.9384.

Lorenz, D. J., and E. T. DeWeaver (2007), Tropopause height and zonal wind response to global warming in the IPCC scenario integrations, J. Geophys. Res., 112, D10119, doi:10.1029/2006JD008087.

Jeff Masters

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114. weatherboyfsu
6:33 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
Good afternoon,

Looks like Garden City Kansas is about to get hit by one of those right-turning thunderstorms......No tornado warning yet, but looks nasty........
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113. franck
6:28 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
Lakeshadow...where did you learn to think like that? Don't you know making sense is totally unacceptable. Let's not hear any more talk like that.
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111. Randyman
1:28 PM CDT on June 05, 2008

EXCESSIVE RAINFALL DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
1010 AM EDT THU JUN 05 2008


...VALID 15Z THU JUN 05 2008 - 12Z FRI JUN 06 2008...
...REFERENCE AWIPS GRAPHIC UNDER...DAY 1 EXCESSIVE RAINFALL...


UPDATE...

ONLY SOME MINOR CHANGES MADE TO THE PREVIOUS EXCESSIVE RAINFALL
POTENTIAL OUTLOOK...WITH A FAIRLY LARGE THREAT AREA CONTINUING TO
BE DEPICTED AHEAD OF THE AMPLIFYING CNTRL PLAINS SYSTEM. WHILE
THE FIRST ORGANIZED CONVECTION AREA HAS PUSHED NEWD INTO THE UPR
LAKES REGION...CONVECTION IS LIKELY TO REDEVELOP ACRS THE SRN TO
CNTRL PLAINS...EXTENDING NWD INTO THE UPR MS VALLEY REGION IN THE
AXIS OF ANOMALOUS MOISTURE FLUX AHEAD OF THE AMPLIFYING MID LEVEL
TROF AND DEEPENING SFC LOW OVR THE CNTRL PLAINS. THIS CONVECTION
WL LIKELY MOVE BACK OVER AREAS THAT RECEIVED HEAVY RAINS OVERNIGHT
FROM ERN NE..ACRS FAR NWRN MO AND INTO IA. ADDITIONAL SHRT TERM
PCPN AMTS OF 1-2" POSSIBLE FROM THE CNTRL PLAINS NEWD INTO THE UPR
MS VALLEY. HEAVY RAIN POTENTIAL ALSO TO CONT IN THE COMMA HEAD
PCPN REGION ON THE WRN SIDE OF THIS AMPLIFYING SYSTEM FROM WRN
NE...FAR NERN CO...ERN WY...WRN SD AND FAR SERN MT.

ORAVEC

PREVIOUS DISCUSSION...

RATHER LARGE SLGT AND MDT AREAS WERE OUTLOOKED OVR THE CNTRL U.S.
GIVEN FCST DVLPMNT OF A SGFNT STORM AS WELL AS SOME UNCERTAINTY TO
THE FCST. THE EXCESSIVE RNFL OUTLOOK WAS DRAWN TO REFLECT ONE
AREA OF SGFNT RAINS EXPECTED ALONG THE E/W ORIENTED FRONTAL BNDRY
EXPECTED TO LIFT NEWD THRU THE UPPER MIDWEST/UPPER MS VLY REGION
AHEAD OF THE SFC LOW AND ASOCTD SHRTWV TROF. SGFNT CNVCTV RAINS
ARE ALSO EXPECTED ALONG AND TO THE LEFT OF THE TRACK OF THE SFC
AND UPPER LVL LOWS. A CONTG INTENSE MSTR FLUX NWD THRU THE CNTRL
U.S. WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE EVENT WHILE VERY FVBL DIV FLOW
ALOFT AS THE UPPER LVL SYSTEM BEGINS TO TAKE ON A MORE NEG TILT
WITH TIME WILL ENHANCE THE SYNOPTIC SCALE LIFT. COULD SEE QUICK
2.00 INCH RNFL AMTS IN AN HOUR OR TWO JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE IN THE
OUTLOOKED AREA..WITH AMOUNTS APCHG 4.00 TO 5.00 INCHES NOT OUT OF
THE QUESTION OVR SPOTTY AREAS. BEST GUESS FOR AXIS OF MOST SGFNT
RAIN IS ALONG AN AXIS ALIGNED SW/NE ACROSS THE UPPER MS VLY WHERE
MESOSCALE FORCING COULD SLOW THE NWD ADVANCE OF THE E/W MSTR
CNVGNC AXIS RESULTING IN CNVCTV CELLS REPEATING OVR LOCALIZED
AREAS.

KORTY

Link
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110. LakeShadow
6:22 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
Caneman...at least socialists can afford their medical bills and recieve free education and reasonable gas prices...what do they pay in Venezuela for oil? s/th like 87 cents per gallon??? This totalitarian corprate regime that disguises itself for democracy isnt serving us very well...that is if you arent in on the profit sharing.
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109. NEwxguy
6:23 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
By the looks the outbreak in the midwest is going to be very serious.As bad as it gets.
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108. sky1989
6:04 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
Thanks Storm! From reading the article that's the way I understand it too. There are so many different factors that come together to allow an active season. If only one factor is missing and all other factors are strongly favorable I guess an active season is a good possibility. I bet it is extremely difficult for all of the factors to be highly favorable at the same time.
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106. 69Viking
1:21 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
94. auburn

Never say never!
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105. LakeShadow
6:16 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
I do agree that the Earth can and will rebound from any impact that humans have. We are but fleas on a dog. Just wait until Yosemite blows and reverses the entire "warming" trend. The problem with that is, how many lives will be lost and how much wildlife will be lost before that happens?

and I'm not saying that humans are causing the warming, just that our impact has been somewhat detrimental to the natural cycles on this planet. especially concerning wildlife.
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104. 69Viking
1:19 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
91. caneman

Good point!
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103. Randyman
1:17 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
Randyman, looks like a bad day for central Kansas and Nebraska...

At this time, it appears that way...everyone should remain alert throughout the day and act accordingly...no one should be saying they were surprised by any storms that may form today
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102. 69Viking
1:03 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
90. LakeShadow

I understand. Every day I think about what more can I do for the Environment. I volunteer for Sea Turtle Patrols to help them recover from what man did to almost cause the Kemp's Ridley Sea Turtle go extict some years ago. It's in it's recover stage now but still has a long way to go.

Now that I'm older I really think about the Environment, I can't say I did that when I was younger because nobody ever taught me about it in school. I hope today we are teaching this starting in our Elementary schools all the way through High School. I know my son is far more informed than I was because I'm making sure I teach him about what it and what he can do to help.
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101. sebastianjer
2:16 PM EDT on June 05, 2008
Dr. M

It is unknown if the jet stream has natural decades-long changes in its path that could account for the observed poleward shift.

I doubt you will answer this but I'll ask anyway. How does this statement from your blog entry above justify the heading on the blog? Either it is established scientifically that "climate change" is causing this or it is not. If it is not, why a header that states that it does? Are climate models considered scientific proof? How many climate models did not find changes that were "consistent with the behavior of the jet stream predicted by global warming theory. For example, Lorenz and DeWeaver (2007) found poleward shifts of the jet stream by 2100 in the forecasts of 15 climate models"

It is like having a newspaper heading that says Man kills wife, but the article has no facts to support the headline other than statistics show that husbands are responsible in a majority of wifes deaths.

Interesting supposition though.

JER

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100. Randyman
1:15 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
Squall Line already beginning to erupt across Kansas...Link
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99. Floodman
6:16 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
Randyman, looks like a bad day for central Kansas and Nebraska...
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98. Randyman
1:14 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
Latest mesoscale discussion from the SPC...



MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1228
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1244 PM CDT THU JUN 05 2008

AREAS AFFECTED...CNTRL/ERN NEB...CNTRL KS INTO NW OK

CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH 461...462...

VALID 051744Z - 051915Z

THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR TORNADO WATCH 461...462...CONTINUES.

CYCLONIC MID-LEVEL JET CONTINUES TO GRADUALLY EDGE EASTWARD THROUGH
THE CENTRAL PLAINS. AND...COOLING/LIFT ALONG/WEST OF THE JET AXIS
IS WEAKENING INHIBITION ALONG INITIAL SURFACE COLD FRONT ADVANCING
THROUGH THE CENTRAL PLAINS. CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT IS
UNDERWAY...AND RAPID INTENSIFICATION/INCREASE IN AREAL COVERAGE IS
ANTICIPATED BETWEEN NOW AND 20-21Z.

IN THE PRESENCE OF STEEPENING LAPSE RATES...MIXED LAYER CAPE OF
2000-3000 J/KG...AND STRONG DEEP LAYER SHEAR...A SEVERE SQUALL LINE
LIKELY WILL DEVELOP ACROSS CENTRAL KANSAS INTO SOUTH CENTRAL
NEBRASKA. THIS PROBABLY WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY INCREASING POTENTIAL
FOR STRONG TO EXTREMELY DAMAGING STRAIGHT LINE WINDS AS AN 80-90 KT
SOUTH SOUTHWESTERLY 500 MB JET CORE REDEVELOPS OUT OF THE SOUTHERN
ROCKIES INTO WESTERN/CENTRAL KANSAS.

STRONGER LOW-LEVEL WARM ADVECTION REGIME AND CLOCKWISE CURVED
LOW-LEVEL HODOGRAPHS WILL BE FOCUSED ACROSS CENTRAL INTO EASTERN
NEBRASKA. THIS IS WHERE STORMS MAY REMAIN DISCRETE THE LONGEST
BEFORE POSSIBLY CONGEALING INTO A LARGER STORM CLUSTER. SYNOPTIC
WARM FRONT NEAR/NORTH OF BROKEN BOW INTO THE SIOUX CITY IA AREA MAY
PROVIDE A FOCUS. BUT...SURFACE FLOW REMAINS BACKED AROUND TO
SOUTHEASTERLY...SOUTHWARD INTO THE KANSAS/NEBRASKA BORDER AREA...
NORTH OF OLD WARM FRONT/OUTFLOW BOUNDARY. FAVORABLE HODOGRAPHS
COUPLED WITH AMBIENT VERTICAL VORTICITY NEAR DEEP SURFACE CYCLONE
...BENEATH BROADER SCALE DIFLUENT UPPER FLOW...MAY CONTRIBUTE TO A
FEW LONG LIVED SUPERCELLS WITH STRONG TORNADOES.

..KERR.. 06/05/2008



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97. NEwxguy
6:10 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
SW thats fascinating stuff,I gotta read more on that,thanks for the heads up.
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96. NEwxguy
6:01 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
Ah,I see I'm back just in time for some more GW discussion (grabs for the extra strength tylenol)
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95. smmcdavid
1:09 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
Aubie, are the meds getting to you again? LOL
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94. auburn (Mod)
1:08 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
I never post here
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93. Floodman
6:04 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
66. thelmores

Exactly, Thel! Moderation and a well thought out plan of action...we all take a hit, that's inevitable, but we can moderate the pain by thinking through the issues instead of jumping in with both feet. I'm all ofr a certain degree of altruism, but I'm firmly against martyrdom
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92. Floodman
6:03 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
86. StormJunkie

LOL...SJ, you shameless mother!
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91. caneman
2:03 PM EDT on June 05, 2008
The whole global warming thing is a massive hoax perpetuated by Socialists who have nothing better to do than create more laws and restrictions.

Remember this.....once upon a time this entire planet was warm enough to support reptilian life and there were no Hummers or humans around to cause it.
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90. LakeShadow
5:58 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
yeah Viking...Some of us try to be responsible and reverent to deserve the natural gifts on this planet...its very discouraging to cognitize the actions of others whom are egocentric and havent the ability to think ahead or of others. Makes my head explode a little.
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88. 69Viking
12:55 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
85. LakeShadow

LOL! I think your soapbox spilled over! Well written even if everyone doesn't agree with it completely.
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87. pearlandaggie
5:57 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
86. StormJunkie
5:56 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
Storm "Shameless" Junkie

lol Vort :~)
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85. LakeShadow
5:35 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
good afternoon! Interesting stuff here.

In regards to this whole changing environment thing, I think we need to look to the Oceans to find our answers. There is an abundance of CO2 in the water that is causing crustacian shells to corrode. This is a definate sign that human influence on this planet is begining to take its toll. As the shellfish die out, their predators will be forced to adapt or die off. The melting of the polar ice is causing the apex Arctic predator to become exctinct (polar bear) When a ecosystem loses its apex predator, we all know it alters that eco system forever. So here we have the bottom of the food chain dying off in some areas and the apex predators dying off in others. As these eco systems change, there is a domino effect across the globe.

There is also the matter of the mecury content in the warmer waters that cause the food that humans eat to become toxic. Mercury gets into water only one way...mining. seals and otters dont mine for minerals or diamonds. only humans.

And there's garbage island..a collection of human waste that floats around, breaking down, emmiting CO2 and other toxins into the water. That's just plain disgusting.

We cant wait for politicians to decide whats good for us, (so long as their friends still make money) we have to be pro-active in our everyday lives. Reuse, Restore, Recycle. Something breaks, fix it. Be responsible about your garbage and the products that you consume. Be smart. Live green. Instead of complimenting some person on their gas-guzzling earth-killing SUV, show them scorn. Those idiots only get those big cars to feel big. When they stop getting a positive reaction from those around them, they wont feel so big anymore. Its all about the ingnorant person, so thats easy...enlighten yourself and live your life in accordance to that.
ok...no more soapbox for me, too.
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84. pearlandaggie
5:36 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
1. Oh boy....

LOL...that's what I was thinking...lap it up, suckers!

Of course, NONE of the following matters...don't let contradictory data get in the way of agenda!

Correlation of Carbon Dioxide with Temperatures Negative Again

UAH: Global Temperature Dives in May...not very politically correct--darn weather!

Army: Sun, Not Man, Is Causing Climate Change...well, you know, it must be an army conspiracy!

Painting by numbers: NASA's peculiar thermometer...curious how adjustments are always upward!

Jupiter's recent outbreak of red spots is likely related to large scale climate change....darn SUVs!

November 2nd, 1922. Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt....unprecedented?

September 1933 Titled: IS OUR CLIMATE CHANGING? A STUDY OF LONG-TIME TEMPERATURE TRENDS...unprecedented again?
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83. 69Viking
12:38 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
79. leelee75k

If you have shutters I would consider putting them up. We've all seen storms spin up in a very short period of time and this year with the water temps the way they are I would play it safe. Just my opinion though.
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81. StormJunkie
5:36 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
Y'all have a great afternoon, I am off to work.

Who needs tracking software when you have all this free information.

The forecast models can be one of the best tracking tools available. Learn more about how to use them here.

See everyone later :~)
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80. presslord
1:33 PM EDT on June 05, 2008
"...(the technology is there; a little pricey, but it pays for itself) ..."

That is absolutely true...and it's not just a long term payoff...I'm involved in a LWP (Live, Work, Play) development in which we are doing all sorts of cool enviro-friendly stuff..we have all manner of tax credits, low interest funds, grants, etc which make the math work well...in other words, we are finally to a point where eco-friendly can = profitability....the market will work a lot of this out for us if we'll let it....
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79. leelee75k
5:36 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
Hi all,
Keep finding myself coming back here every hurricane season :)
While I know I can't get a definitive answer, what does the futurecast for the period between June 11 and June 25th look like? I'll be leaving my south florida home and am wondering if I should shutter the house before I go. Thanks in advance
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78. Floodman
5:29 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
58. fire831rescue

Fire, I agree 100%, and as for fossil fuels, we don't too much longer to wait before burning them will be a non-issue...if we haven't hit peak, based on our current acqusition technology, then we're closing in on it pretty quickly. My piont is that we donlt want to underestimate our impact; sure, the planet will bounce back, and quickly...the only problem with that is that the bounce-back factor is directly proportional to how few of us are left, slowing it down...

I'm a moderate in nearly everything, and the Climate Change issue is no exception...I don't think we should go back to horse and buggy, put draconian measures in place for population control and all that happy crappy, but we have to re-think our position, and what our future will be...or can be.

I'm with SJ, we made a horrible mistake in not exploiting the moon in the 1970s and 1980s; we should have permenent bases off world wherever we can (if only for the incredible breakthroughs in energy and general science they would bring about).
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76. 69Viking
12:32 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
63. WhereIsTheStorm

Yeah those but in 5 years or so when the first one burns out I'll find a place that recycles them. I know all about the dangers of fluorescent bulbs, one of my first weekend jobs was changing out bulbs for the IBM Plant in Rochester, MN back in the 80's. Drop one of them from 3 stories up, quite the pop when it hits the cement floor!
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74. 69Viking
12:29 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
66. thelmores

Trust me, I agree. I'm not impressed by any of the presidential candidates. I thought the Republicans had better choices than McCain and well, the Democrats never found a good candidate. I just hope we can make it through the next 4.5 years until we can get a good president elected, that's if this country is capable of doing that these days.
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73. sky1989
5:30 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
Thank you Storm W. So this means that it will soon be becoming more favorable for hurricane formation in the Atlantic?
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72. Floodman
5:18 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
54. airman45

The strange thing, Airman, is that in the 1880s there was an English scientist who wrote a paper stating that we, humans, were warming the atmosphere by burning the millions of tons of coal a year at that time (128 years ago). He was soundly ridiculed and told that there was no possible way that man could cause any lasting major harm to the earth...

I've never been one to scream that the sky is falling unless I had a piece of it in my hand, but I get weary of the unltra-conservative view that has persisted for the last 128 years that that we CAN'T destroy the environment, just as I grow weary of the ultra-left wing view that we will have destroyed the earth in 10, or 20 or 100 years. I'm a proponent of proactive responses, but unfortunately humans tend to lay back and watch until very nearkly the last minute to do anything...does any one remember Bush the elder's response to a question about global warming in 1990 0r so: "We wouldn't want to react too quickly...wouldn't be prudent. We need more study..."

I'd at least like to see the energy cartels investing more money in finding alternative energy sources that are viable; I'd like to see bulders incorporating solar power in their new housing starts (the technology is there; a little pricey, but it pays for itself) and one of my pet peeves: some smug jerk driving a dinsoaur sized SUV that gets 5 miles to the gallon acting as though it was 1950 and we were still in "fat city" in regards to energy

Okay, now that really is it...no more soapbox for Flood today
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71. 69Viking
12:17 PM CDT on June 05, 2008
54. airman45 12:16 PM CDT on June 05, 2008

How about all the glaciers that covered most of the Northern half of North America. They melted eons ago, was that global warming? I believe we have climate change being amplified by everything from tearing down rainforests to burning fossil fuels.
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70. franck
5:27 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
Higher jetstream. So that explains it.
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69. Needice
10:19 AM PDT on June 05, 2008
Does anybody know of good tracking software that works on a mac?
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68. sky1989
5:24 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
I'm really sorry but could someone explain to me what the QBO is?
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66. thelmores
5:13 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
69V.....

I want the same from a president, but some proposals made by some candidates are not what I would call "reasonable" and could shatter what is left of our economy.

I will give you an example (generic). If it cost's a coal power plant 1 billion dollars to reduce its emissions by 96%, I agree with ths move, and we should do it. But then it is proposed to cut the emissions from 96% to 98% at the cost of another billion dollars. I do not think this is reasonable, and if forced to do this, could cause a "spike" in energy cost's. This is just an example, but hopefully you can see my point.

We should do what is "reasonable", but to destroy our economy in the good name of Climate change is a mistake.
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65. sky1989
5:20 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
There is a tight little circulation with a fair amount of thunderstorm activity to the northeast of the Bahamas. However, because of windshear I doubt it will amount to much. It's still interesting though.
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64. airman45
5:20 PM GMT on June 05, 2008
61.

Absolutely! A combination of everything.
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