Cyclopsychic research breakthrough proves hurricanes/global warming connection

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 12:16 PM GMT on April 01, 2008

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A stunning new breakthrough in hurricane research has conclusively settled the matter: global warming is making Atlantic hurricanes and tropical storms more frequent. The new research, accepted for publication later this millennium in The Journal of Irreproducible Results, offers incontrovertible proof that global warming has increased Atlantic named storms by 57-67% over the past century. Using the pioneering new techniques of cyclopsychic storm detection and psychomortorodentiatempestology, the researchers, Professors Peter Webcaster and Judith Flurryfury of the Georgia Institute of Technophobia, and Dr. Greg Hallmonitor of the Colorado Association for Research and Modeling of the Atmosphere (CARMA), showed unequivocally that the lack of satellite measurements and aircraft reconnaissance in the early part of the hurricane record led to only a modest undercount of Atlantic tropical storms. Thus, more than half of the observed increase in named storms in the past century can be attributed to global warming.

"It's well-known that the number of Atlantic named storms has risen from 7-9 per year 100 years ago to 14-15 per year during the present active hurricane period that began in 1995," commented Professor Webcaster in an interview today. "Some MEEAT-loving hurricane researchers (Measure Everything, Everywhere, All the Time) have claimed that this rise was not real, since satellites and reconnaissance aircraft were not around to detect storms early in the hurricane record. We've made efforts in the past to quantify the number of 'missed' historical Atlantic storms using estimates of historical shipping traffic density, and computer regression models that compare recent well-observed storm activity to past storm activity. However, these studies have been pooh-poohed by the MEEAT men, who refuse to believe any science that comes out of a model. So, I began thinking about how we could actually go about observing historical Atlantic storms that were 'missed'. I began thinking the problem in a new light after watching my favorite episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, "Timescape", where subspace entity mistakenly lays her eggs in the warp core singularity of a Romulan warship, creating a temporal anomaly that forces time to flow backwards. This inspired me to think outside the box, and it occurred to me that paranormal methods might offer a way to see back in time and make actual observations of past storms--and offer a technophobic solution to the problem, as encouraged by the charter of my university, the Georgia Institute of Technophobia."



Figure 1. Cyclopsychic observations of "missing" Atlantic tropical storms during the 20th century. All observations were performed by trained cyclopsychic Madame Cyclotropia. Note the significant drop in "missed" storms beginning in the 1940s, corresponding to the advent of aircraft reconnaissance, and in the 1970s, when satellite coverage of the Atlantic Ocean began.

Webcaster teamed with Hallmonitor and Flurryfury to experiment with a variety of paranormal techniques to make actual observations of past "missing" storms, using Ouija Boards, crystal ball gazing, the Magic Eight Ball, and channeling of restless dead spirits. Initial experiments proved discouraging, though, when the researchers attempted to perform the study themselves. "We were feeling depressed about how the research was going, having just stayed up late one Friday night in Greg's lab in Boulder trying to get the dang Magic Eight Ball to say something other than just REPLY HAZY, TRY AGAIN LATER," related Dr. Webcaster. "So, we decided to give up for the night and down a few shots of grape jello spiked with grain alcohol and delve into Greg's extensive collection of Zippy the Pinhead comic books. After a few jello shots and Zippy comics, we got feeling pretty loose, and, Yow! Decided to trek down to Pearl Street to check out the weekend psychic fair. Well, we got to staggering around the tents of the psychic fair, belting out the sorrowful lyrics of our own version of "Somewhere over the rainbow" we made up:

Somewhere, over the ocean
Back in time
Cyclones formed and decayed
Unseen by humankind

Somehow, we'll find out how many
Before we die
But it doesn't look good
'Cause the Magic Eight Ball lies!

Suddenly, we saw a mysterious shadowy figure beckoning to us from the entrance of a nearby tent, which was emblazoned with the words, Madame Cyclotropia: Psychic Readings for Troubled Atmospheric Scientists. 'I can help you find your missing storms', the seer in the shadows croaked, 'for I know much that is hidden. Come into my lair, and I will reveal the key to unlocking the mysteries of storms long past'. Greg and I looked at each other, shrugged, walked in her tent, and the rest is history."

Once in Madame Cyclotropia's tent, the researchers quickly realized that their limited scientific training could not hope to allow them to conduct rigorous paranormal research. Only a true cyclopsychic with "The Gift" could see back into the dim mists of time to divine the existence of heretofore unknown tropical cyclones. Using her cyclopsychic gift, Madame Cyclotropia correctly divined the past tracks of numerous known storms the scientists challenged her with. However, when asked to divine the existence of "missing" Atlantic storms that had not made it into the official database, she prophesied that she would only be able to do so if the scientists would write her into their latest grant proposal. This grant proposal would surely get funded, she predicted. The scientists eagerly agreed, and headed back to the lab to work on the new proposal.

Webcaster, Hallmonitor, and Flurryfury's proposal, titled, "Using a Trained Cyclopsychic to Divine Past Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Activity", was submitted to the Foundation for Atmospheric Research for Science and Education (FARSE) in early 2007 and accepted later that year. After receiving their grant money, the scientists began spending long nights in Madame Cyclotropia's tent, documenting her revelations from the four primary cyclopsychic techniques: Ouija Board, crystal ball gazing, the Magic Eight Ball, and channeling of restless dead spirits. According to Dr. Hallmonitor, "We were thrilled when the first three techniques we tried all yielded virtually identical results, showing the robustness of our experimental methodology. The three techniques all showed a noticeable drop in the number of "missed" storms in the 1940s, when aircraft reconnaissance became available, and in the 1970s, when satellites coverage began over the Atlantic Ocean. However, when we tried to channel restless dead spirits, we ran into a roadblock. We couldn't find any restless dead spirits with an interest or knowledge of historical Atlantic hurricanes. We happily attributed this to the propensity of dead meteorologists to wind up inside Heaven's Pearly Gates, but were sad that our research would lack this crucial final proof of its validity. We were about to give up when Peter then hit upon the idea of contacting the spirits of groundhogs, who are known for their weather prognosticating ability. Some of these prognosticating rodents might have unfinished business that would keep their restless souls adrift in the ether, available for consultation on weather-related matters. We coined word psychomortorodentiatempestology to describe this exciting new branch of hurricane science, and set off in search of gifted groundhogs spirits with this special skill."



Figure 2. Wee Willy One and Chucky before their departure into the hereafter. Which rodent's spirit would you trust to get accurate weather information from?

Indeed, Madame Cyclotropia was able to contact the spirit of "Wee Willy One", a famed albino groundhog that had once burrowed under the fair gardens of Wiarton, Ontario, and provided weather forecasts each Groundhog's Day up until his death in 2006. Wee Willy One proved to be testy and uncooperative, though, deliberately delivering incorrect storm information. The researchers sought out help from cyclotherapy experts from the Center for Disease Control's Weather Related Illness Division to determine if cyclotherapy might help Wee Willy One overcome his bad attitude. Cyclotherapist Dr. Sandy Chirpchuckle diagnosed Wee Willy One as a cyclopath suffering from rare form of cyclopsychosis. Ordinarily, cyclopsychosis manifests itself only in hurricane scientists and weather enthusiasts during the long, dull months prior to hurricane season. The despondent victims of cyclopsychosis spend long hours in front of flickering computer monitors in dark, gloomy rooms, obsessively poring over maps and statistics of hurricanes long gone by. The victims tend to become highly antisocial but never violent, and can be successfully treated with cycloactive drugs. However, Dr. Chirpchuckle diagnosed Wee Willy One with an extremely rare case of "shadow" cyclopsychosis, brought on by the cyclological trauma being rudely hauled out of his burrow each February 2 so that a bunch of cockamaimie humans could see whether he saw his shadow or not. "Shadow" cyclopsychosis is incurable, both in this world and the hereafter, so Madame Cyclotropia was forced to seek out other groundhog spirits. After months of effort, she finally found the spirit of "Chucky", a friendly groundhog that had once burrowed under the gardens of Nashville, Tennessee. Chucky eagerly provided accurate information on the "missing" Atlantic tropical storms that was precisely in agreement with the data collected from the other cyclopsychic techniques. "We were ecstatic," exclaimed Dr. Hallmonitor. "More jello shots!"

Hurricane experts world-wide are hailing the new findings. "These exciting results conclusively prove that even us blind squirrels can find some nuts," enthused renown hurricane expert, Dr. Kerry Readthemanual of the Massachusetts Institute of Technophobia. Dr. Readthemanual has been a leading proponent of the global warming/Atlantic hurricane link. Even former critics are praising the new findings. Dr. William Graymatter, Professor Über-Emeritus of Colorado State University's Center for Hurricane Observation, Measurement, and Prediction (CHOMP), said in an interview: "I've been in the hurricane business for 113 years, and I know good research when I see it. The findings of Webcaster, Hallmonitor, and Flurryfury are based on solid observational evidence and white magic. There's no black magic involved, such as the use of a computer model, so their results are impregnable."

Dr. Chris Blandsee, Chief Scientist of the Natural Hurricane Center's division of Global Warming Isn't Responsible for the Recent Upswing in Atlantic Hurricane Activity, and Even If It Was, We Wouldn't be Able to Tell, Since the Quality of the Atlantic Hurricane Database is Too Poor to Use for Such Purposes (NHC/GWIRRUAHAEIIWWWATSQAHDTPUSP), has also been critical of past research showing a link between hurricanes and global warming, maintaining that global warming isn't responsible for the recent upswing in Atlantic hurricane activity, and even if it was, we wouldn't be able to tell, since the quality of the Atlantic hurricane database is too poor to use for such purposes. It was his Congressional testimony, along with that of former NHC director Max Minefield, which inspired President Bushwhacker's administration to rename the National Hurricane Center the "Natural Hurricane Center" last year. (This action was also urged by the Government Anagram Accountability Office (GAAO), which found that the letters in "National Hurricane Center" could be rearranged to spell the ominous phrase, "Errant Herculean Inaction"--and also the disturbing, "Teenier Charlatan Unicorn", and the clearly unacceptable, "Inhale Cocaine, Errant Runt!", while the letters in "Natural Hurricane Center" could be rearranged to form phrases much more in harmony with the NHC mission, such as "Natural, Neater, Crunchier.")

Dr. Blandsee grudgingly gave ground in his comments today. "It looks like Webcaster, Hallmonitor, and Flurryfury (and don't try to say her name three times fast) have done some pretty rigorous scientific work," he conceded. "But they've written what is probably the longest and most excruciatingly dull hurricane science paper of all time. All those old storms and their analyzed tracks that they talk about, on and on and on, year by year by year. Ugh! A lot of good trees died to publish that paper. It was even duller than some of my clunkers!"

What's next for the pioneering researchers? "Well, CARMA and the Georgia Institute of Technophobia are collaborating on a grant proposal with Dr. Graymatter and Phil Flossblack of CHOMP to apply cyclopsychic methods in a new way--improvement of seasonal hurricane forecasts," said Dr. Flurryfury. "We've submitted a proposal to FARSE titled, 'Gray Magic: Using Cyclopsychic Methods to Improve Seasonal Hurricane Forecasts'. Lord knows, the forecast busts of the past two hurricane seasons have shown that Flossblack and Dr. Graymatter could use some supernatural help with their predictions."

April Fools!
Meff Jasters

References
Hallmonitor, G.J., and P.J. Webcaster, 2007, "Heightened tropical cyclone activity in the North Atlantic: natural variability or climate trend?" Philosophical Transactions of The Royal Society A 365, Number 1860, 15 November 2007, Pages: 26952716 DOI: 10.1098/rsta.2007.2083

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908. Ivansrvivr
3:39 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
The A?B high hasn't locked in yet. Spring storms will push it around some. The A/B high would likely shift a bit east with the transition to ENSO neutral pattern (to weak Nino later) also. La Nina tends to push Bermuda high west and strengthen it. Look at the western 07 ridge and the strong winds to it's south. It was far stronger than 05. too strong for active season.
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907. SouthDadeFish
3:39 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Ivan as with the case of Irene I would say Katrina had roughly the same wind speeds. Also Katrina made a dip southwestwards as it made landfall in Florida which would have placed my house very near the eyewall. (I lost power so I'm not sure what the radar images looked exactly like at the time) Nevertheless, they both had tremendous amounts of rainfall.
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906. Weather456
11:22 PM AST on April 04, 2008
The image below illustrates an ITCZ that has been above active for the past 1-2 weeks as indicated by the zone of below normal OLR between West Africa and NE South America.

NB: Cloud cover reflects both incoming and outgoing radiation. It plays a role in the Net Radiation and the Planetary Energy Balance.

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905. Ivansrvivr
3:22 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
My question with Irene is whether rainfalll totals were accurate b/c the rain was horizontal for much of the storm. I was in Far eastern PBC which was in RFQ. That right front quad made huge difference in winds especially as storm accelerated forward motion to the NNE. The Right front quad makes such a huge difference. (at least has in each storm I have experienced.)
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904. SouthDadeFish
3:37 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
From the graphics you posted 456 it looks like the high so far this year is a bit farther west than in 2004. Wouldn't you say so?
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903. Weather456
11:01 PM AST on April 04, 2008
The Bermuda-Azore Ridges and Trades both speed and directional flow. This information is based on QuikSCAT Sea winds.

August 2004



August 2005




September 2006 - Red Box indicate frontal activity



August 2007

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902. bappit
2:24 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
899 -- Betsy visited both locales in 1965.
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901. Weather456
9:50 PM AST on April 04, 2008
Negative phase of the NAO implies more ridging the Central Atlantic (Gray 2005).

The chart below show the average location of the Bermuda-Azore Ridge over the past 90 days or 3 months. Also notice the area of above average trades to the south of the ridge which matches the exact same areas of cool SST anomalies. Look at the winds in the E Atlantic,virtually near to below average, which illustrates an image posted earlier this week (second image).



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900. SouthDadeFish
2:13 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Thanks a ton 23 i was really curious to the totals of areas around here. Yeah I know for sure my house got more rain from katrina. In fact water was only another 2 inches from coming through my front door. It was a pretty scary situation.
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899. hydrus
2:11 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
I never thought I would see the day when the same hurricane would strike miami and then new orleans.
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898. hurricane23
10:09 PM EDT on April 04, 2008
Rainfall amounts with katrina were extremely heavy across portions of South Miami-Dade county causing flooding of structures, vehicles, and crop land. A maximum storm total amount of 16.33 inches was measured by a cooperative observer in Perrine. Other heavy amounts in South Miami-Dade county included 14.04 inches at Homestead Air Reserve base, 12.25 inches near Florida City and 11.13 inches near Cutler Ridge. Most of the remainder of Miami-Dade and all of the metropolitan areas of Broward and Palm Beach counties generally received amounts of two to four inches. Rainfall over interior South Florida ranged from one to three inches with mostly less than one inch over coastal Collier county.
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897. hydrus
1:42 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
IVANSRVIVR-I remember Irene very well,when the hurricane moved ashore,the sky had the strangest color I have ever seen.The satellite pics they showed were impressive.
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896. SouthDadeFish
1:52 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Hurricane23 thanks for posting the graphic and the loop. Yeah Irene really poured it was quite amazing. I guess Dade got more rain than I thought. Some places even had as much as West Palm. Do you know if Katrina had more rainfall than Irene?
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895. hurricane23
9:47 PM EDT on April 04, 2008
Radar loop i saved as irene made landfall over the area...



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894. hurricane23
9:46 PM EDT on April 04, 2008
Ivan....

I have photos i took from irene back in 99 in south florida with cars underwater just down my street.

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893. moonlightcowboy
8:44 PM CDT on April 04, 2008
Have a good one, Ivan!
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892. SouthDadeFish
1:40 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Yeah but the Everglades is very shallow water. Whatever my point was not to start an argument sorry lol. Yeah Dade kinda escaped that one. Well have playing with your pet leopard =]
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891. Ivansrvivr
1:40 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Glades had same effect on Wilma too.
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890. Ivansrvivr
1:37 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Everglades is mostly(very hot) water. WPB had 90 to 100 mph winds. hardest rain I ever saw. Damage was much worse than dade or Broward co.
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888. SouthDadeFish
1:31 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Hey um I know I'm kinda coming out of nowhere but I was reading about Hurricane Irene in 1999 and I thought it was a cat 1. Wunderground's chart shows at 75 mph hurricane over the Florida peninsula also. So im not to sure how it could have strengthened while going over land. But i must say Irene was quite a nasty hurricane. Worst flooding Ive ever seen at my house besides when Katrina came through.
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887. Ivansrvivr
1:31 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
I'm off to play with my pet leopard. She gets very hyper(destructive) if not given a good running everyday.
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886. moonlightcowboy
8:28 PM CDT on April 04, 2008
Have a good one, zoo!
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885. zoomiami
1:27 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Off for the evening - nice chatting with you all again.
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884. Ivansrvivr
1:11 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Sorry for what. I wouldn't know about Irene but was in WPB at time. 4th on my all time weather events list.
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883. Ivansrvivr
1:07 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
didn't you consider 85 an analog? 2 near misses and a tropical storm. 99 also had floyd near miss. with Enso going to neutral-warm i'm leaning to 04 being analog yr now more and more. rather than nina-neutral yrs now.
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882. pottery
9:06 PM AST on April 04, 2008
KarenRei, post # 824. Very good.
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881. hahaguy
8:07 PM EST on April 04, 2008
sry my bad ivan.
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880. Ivansrvivr
1:05 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
haha, Irene was nearing cat2 as exited Palm beach co. Strengthening storms are much nastier than stable or weakening ones.
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879. sullivanweather
9:03 PM EDT on April 04, 2008
Irene was the only hurricane to hit Fla during my analog years (1999,1971,1955) in my hurricane forecast.

I actually remember tracking the storm as well.
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878. Ivansrvivr
1:02 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
the more data, the better. the area where we need data is from the seasurface to cloud level in tropical systems. Seeing several tropical systems on the ground I know there is alot of important info we need at that level.
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877. NorthxCakalaky
1:04 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
04/04/2008 0835 PM

Charlotte, Mecklenburg County.

Funnel cloud, reported by public.

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876. moonlightcowboy
8:02 PM CDT on April 04, 2008
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875. hahaguy
8:02 PM EST on April 04, 2008
ivan i also got alot of her heavy rain it flooded my street for 2 1/2 days. she was nasty for a low cat 1. And i remember that most of west palm wast flooded for a while also
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874. moonlightcowboy
7:58 PM CDT on April 04, 2008


The primary goal of the DAC (Data Assembly Center) is to assemble and provide uniform quality control of sea surface temperature (SST) and surface velocity measurements. These measurements are obtained as part of an international program designed to make these data available in an effort to improve climate prediction. Climate prediction models require accurate estimates of SST to initialize their ocean component. Drifting buoys provide essential ground truth SST data for this purpose. The models also require validation by comparison with independent data sets. Surface velocity measurements are used for this validation.



I guess the DAC (Data Aseembly Center) helps more with climate modeling that hurricane tracking. Reports SST's and surface velocities, but no wave heights. But, there sure are tons of them out there!
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873. Ivansrvivr
1:00 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Irene was nasty storm. not many know about it but it was ferocious. heaviest rain I ever saw in my life.
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872. Ivansrvivr
12:55 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
866, also loop current is on GOM. It is nuclear reactor for tropical systems. Much deeper than Gulf Stream. Big strong storms depend on deep water much more than smaller ones. the shallow slope of the seafloor off the Gulf coast promotes huge surges. I never imagined seeing surge damage like Ivan did to coastal communities like Grande lagoon that were completely flattened.
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871. hahaguy
7:56 PM EST on April 04, 2008
and i remember irene taking I-95 all the way north. no joke
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870. Ivansrvivr
12:52 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
866 or out of SW from gulfside. Many on the e.c. take for granted that the everglades are hot water and do little to weaken a storm. Irene strengthened over glades in 99. That is why Wilma caught many offguard on the S.E.Coast.
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869. BahaHurican
8:51 PM EDT on April 04, 2008
Tropical Cyclone: Largest Storm Surge associated with Tropical Cyclone
Record Value 13 m (42')
Date of Event 3/5/1899
Geospatial Location Bathurst Bay, Queensland, Australia [14°15'S, 144°23'E] with Tropical Cyclone Mahina

Reference
Whittingham, H.E., 1958: "The Bathurst Bay Hurricane and associated storm surge" Aust. Met. Mag., 23:14-36

Discussion
Other contemporary accounts place the surge at 14.6 m (almost 48 ft). Fish and dolphins were reported found on top of 15 m cliffs.

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868. Ivansrvivr
12:50 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
93 superstorm had more surge than hurricane Andrew. little known fact.
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867. sullivanweather
8:49 PM EDT on April 04, 2008
It appears the clycopsychic word has gotten me banned from someone's blog.

I guess they don't like Dr.Masters made up term...

So much for April foolin'
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866. BahaHurican
8:44 PM EDT on April 04, 2008
859. Ivansrvivr 8:43 PM EDT on April 04, 2008
Bahamas protect S. Florida from much wave/surge action as does the steep dropoff in seafloor depth.


Ayup.

Was thinking the same thing. Gulf coast doesn't have the same protection.

On a similar note, we don't get as many of the really horrible ones as one would think because everything that comes out of the Caribbean is highly likely to encounter the "big" islands and their mountains on the way. Crossing the Sierra Madre or the Hispaniola corderilla can really take the punch out of a 'cane. This is why our worst storms over the years have come from almost due east, or on occasion, the southeast. The one cat five that came up from the southwest, across the Great Bahama Bank, was a very unusual storm.
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865. Ivansrvivr
12:47 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
large sized windfield hurricanes build much larger surge and maintain surge after wakening. That is why Ivan had and Katrina had 5 surge but were strong 3 at landfall. Dennis in 05 was stronger but small windfield generated much smaller surge.
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864. zoomiami
12:46 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
The biggest affect from storm surge that I've personally seen was from a storm that didn't even hit us. In St. Petersburg, sometime in the 70's a storm went through the gulf of mexico, and pushed the water in. Between the rains, and the surge - we were locked in by the water. Basically flooded from each side, the bay, the gulf, and the canals.
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863. Ivansrvivr
12:46 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Ivan and Jeannes unusual fuji effect also had bermuda high as a player too.
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862. Ivansrvivr
12:44 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Too small windfield, and strengthened very quickly, moved quickly too. charley didn't have time nor size to build up a big surge.
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861. BahaHurican
8:41 PM EDT on April 04, 2008
Ivan, I saw some similar interactions in other busy years, like 1933, when storms were almost stacked on top of each other like cordwood. Once one storm got out of the way, the one behind it could strengthen.

I have to admit Jeanne and Ivan had an unlikely kind of "Fujiwara" effect on each other . . .
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859. Ivansrvivr
12:41 AM GMT on April 05, 2008
Bahamas protect S. Florida from much wave/surge action as does the steep dropoff in seafloor depth.
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858. BahaHurican
8:38 PM EDT on April 04, 2008
Mind u, Zoo, the island is about 21 miles long, so you can drive east west for a 40 mile round trip. However, if you took a trip straight down the middle, you'd never get more than about 4 miles from the sea on the north or south. New Providence is shaped like an eye.
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