Lufthansa jet narrowly avoids crashing in German windstorm

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 6:39 PM GMT on March 05, 2008

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A Lufthansa Airbus A320 with 137 people on board nearly crashed at the Hamburg, Germany airport on Saturday, March 1, as the pilot struggled to land the airplane during high winds kicked up by winter storm "Emma". If you don't have a fear of flying, take at look at the remarkable video an amateur photographer captured of the landing. It's been uploaded to LiveLeak.com and YouTube. As seen in the still images captured from the video (Figure 1), the pilot attempted to land the aircraft with a strong crosswind blowing from right to left. The crosswind is so strong that the drift angle of the aircraft (the difference between where the nose is pointed and the actual track of the airplane along the runway) is about 20 degrees. As the pilot touches the wheels down, he kicks the rudder to straighten the airplane out, and at that moment, a strong gust of wind lifts up the right wing, pushing the left wingtip of the aircraft into the runway. The pilot is skillful and lucky enough to avoid having the airplane cartwheel down the runway and explode, and aborts the landing attempt. You can see the blast of the engines kick up a cloud of dust on the left side of the runway as he goes to full throttle for a "go around" (thanks to Jeff Weber of UNIDATA for making the correct analysis of this dust cloud). The plane landed safely on its second attempt. Do you think the passengers were praying during that second landing? I do! Only minor damage was done to the left wingtip, and the plane was back in service by the next day.


Figure 1. Still photo of the Lufthansa jet (left) as it approached the runway. Note sharp angle between the direction the airplane's nose is pointed, and the track it is taking along the length of the runway. Strong winds of 40 mph gusting to 63 mph were observed at the airport that afternoon. Right photo: the left wingtip of the jet scrapes the runway as a big gust of wind hits. Image credit: LiveLeak.com.

The weather that led to the near disaster
The initial press reports indicated that a wind gust of 155 mph hit the aircraft as it tried to land. That sounded rather dubious to me, so I took a closer look at the weather conditions that day. The only way a wind gust of that magnitude could have been generated would be from a powerful microburst flowing out from the base of a severe thunderstorm. The world record strongest thunderstorm microburst occurred on August 1, 1983, when winds of 149.5 mph were clocked at Andrews Air Force Base near Washington D.C., just five minutes after President Reagan landed there aboard Air Force 1. So, a 155 mph wind gust is possible, but it would be a new world record.


Figure 2. Visible satellite image from 10:20 GMT Saturday March 1 2008. Winter storm "Emma", a 960 mb low pressure centered north of Hamburg over Norway, has pushed a cold front through Germany. A strong northwest to west-northwest flow of air coming off the North Sea (red arrows) brought sustained winds of 36 mph, gusting to 56 mph, to Hamburg, Germany. Image credit: University of Bern, Switzerland.

Were there severe thunderstorms near Hamburg on March 1 that could have generated such a wind gust? A powerful low pressure system (Emma) with a central pressure of 960 mb passed to the north of Hamburg, Germany that morning, dragging a strong cold front through in the late morning (Figure 2). After cold frontal passage, the wunderground history page for Hamburg at 12:50 GMT, five minutes before the time of the incident, shows sustained winds of 35 mph, gusting to 56 mph. A temporary wind reading of 40 mph, gusting to 63 mph, also occurred. The temperature was about 45°F, with occasional rain. This is classic post-cold front weather, and is not the sort of environment where severe thunderstorms with strong microbursts occur. Later press reports corrected the 155 mph wind gust, reducing it to 56 mph. Apparently, the aircraft's landing speed was 155 mph. In any case, the plane was operating very near to the maximum crosswinds an Airbus A320 is permitted to land in--38 mph, gusting to 44 mph. There are questions whether air traffic control should have used that runway for landings, and whether or not the pilot should have attempted a landing in those conditions. There is an interesting discussion at the LiveATC.net discussion forum where some pilots weight in on the near-disaster.

Winter storm Emma did considerable damage across Germany. Six people died in weather-related automobile accidents, power was cut to 150,000 homes, and high winds ripped the roof off of a school in Hesse. In neighboring countries, 260 buildings lost their roofs in Poland, flooding collapsed a bridge in Romania, and in the Czech Republic, 92,000 people (about 10 percent of the population) lost power.

Jeff Masters

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1103. NorthxCakalaky
11:37 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
Some N.C ski resorts will close early in 2weeks.Warm temps above 50 and rain made most of the snow melt.
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1102. nash28
11:02 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
That pilot has zero business trying to land that aircraft. Peoples lives in danger, for him to try and be a hero was asinine! He was fortunate enough to touch and go his way out of a sure disaster.
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1101. ShenValleyFlyFish
6:41 PM EDT on March 10, 2008
Pat the more I think on it the more inclined I am to agree with your opinion of the pilot. He had no business trying to land. When you've used up your margin of error it's time to back off no matter how good you think you are. Particularly if others lives and property are at stake. Hope he got a proper chewing and some time off without pay to think it over.
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1100. Weather456
6:21 PM AST on March 10, 2008
CENTRAL AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN REGION....

The upper level pattern across the region consist of a large 250 hpa ridge centered near 14N/75W and a trough that dips into the Eastern Caribbean near Grenada. Abundant dry/stable air aloft...especially over the Eastern Caribbean where convergence is favored...is resulting in moderate to strong subsidence and fair weather dominates most of the basin. The weather will be further modified by patches of low level clouds that are invading the region south of the ridge. Trades are rather steady at 10 knots...increasing to 15 knots over the Southwest Caribbean. This is pushing 4-7 ft swells over most parts and 7-8 ft swells across the Southwest Caribbean.

by W456

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1099. Weather456
6:15 PM AST on March 10, 2008
....SYNOPSIS....

GULF OF MEXICO/NORTHWEST ATLANTIC OCEAN WEST OF 50W....

This afternoon visible imagery showed a vigorous squall moving across Eastern Texas, and into Louisiana and Arkansas. This activity is clearly associated with a surface cold front as indicated by the cloud ropes observed. In addition, surface observations indicated this feature associated with a weak low pressure area in the vicinity of 30N/94W. This feature is being enhanced surface inflow off the Gulf in conjunction with upper divergence between an upper trough over the Central Plains and a broad ridge over the Caribbean. Doppler radar is showing numerous scattered showers and thunderstorms over Southeastern Texas and much of Louisiana. The cold front is also clearly identified on radar imagery. In the meantime, a surface ridge remains over the Gulf of Mexico providing for a weak surface pressure gradient resulting in light winds which is driving 6-7 ft northeast swells mainly over open waters. Widespread low clouds continue to be scattered over the Gulf of Mexico which is caused by remnant moisture found in the tranquil marine layer (little mixing occurring). High level cirrus clouds are seen extending from Southeast Mexico across the Central Gulf Region and into the Atlantic. Water vapor imagery showed these clouds clearly associated with high level moisture advection between the two aforementioned upper level features. Fair weather dominates elsewhere across the Southeastern United States where the surface ridge is in control.

A very well define frontal boundary has stalled out across the Western Atlantic with a band of cloudiness and showers extending from Straits of Florida, across the Northern Bahamas and within 120 nm of 28N/70W 30N/60W 36N/50W. In the meantime, a stable marine layer situated over the Western Atlantic is supporting stable air low clouds across much the region behind the front. As the front struggles westward, the surface ridge ahead is tightening the pressure gradient and maintaining a surge of steady northeasterlies and fair weather from 70W to 50W.

by W456

Visible image taken earlier this afternoon shwowing rope clouds over Southern Texas indicating the presence of a front.



Later, radar imagery showed the front has just move offshore Southern Texas, illustrated by the band of showers and possible t-storms extending from the main area of low pressure over Eastern Texas.

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1098. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
9:59 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
another system to form near 12S 60E?

CMC model for 93S?
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1097. hurricane23
5:58 PM EDT on March 10, 2008
Speaking of mobile i picked up one of these babies works great!
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1096. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
9:52 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
Southwest Indian Ocean has very intense tropical cyclones this season. =/

4th in a row, is there a pattern here, LOL

Hondo: 906hPa (very intense)
Ivan: 930hPa (intense)
Jokwe: 930hPa (intense)
Kamba 930hPa (intense)
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1095. Weather456
5:27 PM AST on March 10, 2008
Highest Gusts Reported Today over Western Europe (knots)

CULDROSE, United Kingdom (EGDR) - 1550 UTC - 65
GUERNSEY, United Kingdom (EGJB) - 1620 UTC - 62
JERSEY, United Kingdom (EGJJ) - 1650 UTC - 62
GUIPAVAS, France (LFRB) - 1220 UTC - 55
CORK, Ireland (EICK) - 1600 UTC - 53
QUIMPER PLUGUFF, France (LFRQ) - 1600 UTC - 47
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1094. AWeatherLover
8:37 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
I did Adrian and I replied. Sorry it took so long to respond. I don't have wifi here so I am using my iPhone, which takes a while to navigate. Thanks again.
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1093. BtnTx
3:31 PM CDT on March 10, 2008
There are LED based replacement bulbs that can be used as an alternative to CFL. They are energy efficient and safe. They are expensive, but they are supposed to last a long time.
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1092. hcubed
3:30 PM CDT on March 10, 2008
I like the lines from the EPA:

If consumers remain concerned regarding safety, they may consider not utilizing fluorescent lamps in situations where they could easily be broken. Consumers may also consider avoiding CFL usage in bedrooms or carpeted areas frequented by infants, small children, or pregnant women. Finally, consider not storing too many used/spent lamps before recycling as that may increase your chances of breakage. Don’t forget to properly recycle your used fluorescent bulbs so they don’t break and put mercury into our environment.

Good advice, except some areas are going to outlaw the use of incandecants. No other bulbs to use.

Second, go to the store and check the place of manufacture: China. Haven't yet found a US manufacturer. Could it be that they're cheaper/easier to make if the workplace rules aren't followed? Why else would there be no US makers?

So China handles the mercury to make CFL's, and they have a problem with lead paint...
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1091. atmoaggie
7:48 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
23, finally, to get on the mailing list for all NWS changes in products, etc. go here and select "nws-changes", but be warned, you will get about 15 emails a week on everything from "they replaced the radiosonde at NWS's Slidell office" to "they are changing the timing of public updates at NHC." The list usually does give useful warnings of NCEP model data changes.

Sorry, I think I screwed up the blog for a moment there. Man, posting a link is really hard ;-)
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1090. hurricane23
3:43 PM EDT on March 10, 2008
AWeatherLover did you get my email!
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1089. hurricane23
3:42 PM EDT on March 10, 2008
1085. weatherboykris 3:38 PM EDT on March 10, 2008
Adrian, could you provide a link to that info?

Not a problem man!

Here you go.
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1088. AWeatherLover
7:27 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
I know that it isnt hurricane season but there are other weather related issues which would be more profitable to discuss here than any politics. Of is apparent that no one is changing anyone else's mind. Let's keep in mind that this is a weather blog.
Anyone watching the cold front building over SE Texas? Looks like its getting stronger. They have us here in Tampa under a 30% chance of rain on Friday. Any thoughts on this thing holding together (any kind of severe weather expectations)
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1087. hurricane23
3:37 PM EDT on March 10, 2008
1084. atmoaggie 3:35 PM EDT on March 10, 2008
23, you can seen all upcoming and recent changes for all of NWS here.

For the currently posted NHC product descriptions, see this. That site may not yet reflect the changes, but it will.

Thanks buddy!

Yea a spoke to a friend at the NHC this past week on these changes and i was told a link to the new changes will be posted in the next few weeks.
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1086. PaulBedfordUK
7:38 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
Faint sense of anticlimax here in the UK: OK it's windy but there are only sporadic power outages and garage roofs coming off, and some water on the floor if you live next to the sea in a few ill-chosen places. Perhaps the next storm (Wednesday) may be different. Why do I get the impression the news media is disappointed (rather than relieved) ?
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1085. weatherboykris
7:35 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
Adrian, could you provide a link to that info?
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1084. atmoaggie
7:27 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
23, you can seen all upcoming and recent changes for all of NWS here.

For the currently posted NHC product descriptions, see this. That site may not yet reflect the changes, but it will.

Finally, to get on the mailing list for all NWS changes in products, etc. go here and select "nws-changes", but be warned, you will get about 15 emails a week on everything from "they replaced the radiosonde at NWS's Slidell office" to "they are changing the timing of public updates at NHC." The list usually does give useful warnings of NCEP model data changes.
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1083. hurricane23
3:24 PM EDT on March 10, 2008
Ive been useing his maps for years....

Not sure why there is no comments on the NHC site on the upcoming changes this season.
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1082. atmoaggie
7:14 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
Cool anomalies continue to expand across the atlantic!

Thanks, 23. Those are always interesting.

Just to clarify, those anomalies are as relative to the Reynold's SST climatology. This climatology has gone through some adjustments for instrument biases and much work has been done to error check and look for cloud contaminated pixels, but it only runs from 1971 to 2000. This is all that is available, obviously, as it runs from when satellites were first launched.

I must say it is as complete as possible, yet we must consider that it only captures 30 years. When these climatologies are used for GW opining, they just don't withstand scrutiny as they only cover part of any multidecadal cycle.

They are very useful in determining the SST relative to an average from 1971 to 2000. They could also be called a "measurement of the depature from a recent 30 year average".
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1081. hurricane23
3:09 PM EDT on March 10, 2008
Cool anomalies continue to expand across the atlantic!Ive been keeping tabs on the anomalies in the basin the past couple of weeks and the waters were indeed warm of the florida and up the eastcoast but thats changed on this update which of course will go up and down in the coming weeks.The MDR has always been cool so far this year but now its expanded a bit towards the african coast.Overall its something to moniter as we get into the tropical season in the next 3 months.

(Click Here) to see the view of those cool anomalies.

Also for those who are not aware there will be some big changes to the way the NHC does there things when tropical cyclones are present.

Here are some of the some of the changes!

Disturbances will be circled in yellow, orange or red for low, medium or high probability, respectively, of the potential for further development.

Additionally, the probability graphics, which were first included twice a day last year, will be issued four times a day to coincide with the tropical weather outlook, which has been given for 35 years four times a day.

The times of the forecast are changing as well to give news outlets, especially television evening news, more lead time to get the word out, said hurricane specialist Jamie Rhome of the National Hurricane Center during the 62nd Interdepartmental Hurricane Conference, which ends today in Charleston.

For instance, instead of giving the forecast every six hours starting at 11:30 a.m. Eastern Time, the forecast will move to every six hours starting at 8 a.m.

It will take some getting use to.

www.AdriansWeather.com

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1080. Patrap
2:02 PM CDT on March 10, 2008
Water is the solution..it can Power this whole star system.
And will probably in the far future.
Hydrogen and Oxygen get the Shuttle to Orbit. Hydrogen is a unlimited Earth resource. Handling it,harnessing it.. is the Key.
But the push will come in the decades ahead. Not in the near future.
We are doomed to struggle with Oil for decades to come. So it is written..so it shall be.




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1079. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
7:00 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
TROPICAL CYCLONE JOKWE ADVISORY NUMBER TWENTY-FIVE
=============================================

At 18:00 PM UTC, Tropical Cyclone 12R [947 hPa] located near 21.9S 40.5E has 10 minute sustained winds of 85 knots with gusts up to 120 knots. The cyclone is reported moving south-southeast at 9 knots.

Dvorak Intensity: T5.5/5.5/D1.0/24 HRS

Hurricane-Force Winds within 25 NM from the center

Storm-Force Winds within 45 NM from the center

Gale-Force winds within 65 NM from the center

Near Gale-force winds within 100 NM from the center extending up to 120 NM from the center in the southern and eastern semi-circle

Forecast Position
=================================
12HRS: 23.1S 40.8E.
24HRS: 24.3S 40.4E.
48HRS: 25.6S 38.3E.
72HRS: 24.5S 37.7E.

Additional Information
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The system shows rapid variation of intensity. Currently, the system is strengthening with a visible eye on enhanced infrared radar pictures and is well defined on latest microwave imagery. Tropical Cyclone Jokwe is now again near intense tropical cyclone stage.

This system is expected to keep on tracking generally southeastward to southwards, toward a mid to upper level trough located south of the Mozambique Channel. On this track, Jokwe should be very near the east of Europa later tonight. By 24 hours in the forecast, this low should dissipate as a ridge rebuilds over the southern channel, resulting in slower motion and a more northwestward track
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1078. atmoaggie
6:53 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
1077. Patrap 6:52 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
Oil runs out in Spring of 2032,..Drive like a banshee till then..


Negative, it is entirely reasonable and cost-effecitve to drive a fuel-efficient car in the name of gas prices, oil consumption, love for your soldier-relative, lessened emissions of pollutants, and the like. As for telling others how to live based on a shaky theory, that is a different story.

I would probably enter the field of alternate erengy research if it was funded and there were stable jobs. We should be looking to what happens when the oil tap runs dry. Instead, the brightest minds in the country cannot get funded for anything but combating AGW.
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1077. Patrap
1:48 PM CDT on March 10, 2008
Oil runs out in Spring of 2032,..Drive like a banshee till then..,LOL

Most Americans have a Brain and can filter out the Political rethoric and go with the data..

Others just cow up and snuggle to the Opinions of others that lean to their way of believing. That aint science.

Thats Congress Like..LOL




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1076. nash28
2:47 PM EDT on March 10, 2008
Maggie- I have to say that was impressive. Can't argue that, and anyone who does is just drinkin' the koolaid without thought to the other side of the argument.

Well done.
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1075. atmoaggie
6:45 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
Hey, if you guys want to do something many times more effective than swapping your bulbs, go ahead and make the plunge if your nearly religous faith in the incomplete science of AGW is strong enough:

1. Move to a 600 sq ft flat within walking distance of your school/job/etc.
2. Trade in your H2 for a prius or sell it outright but still do not use public transport...walk/bike.
3a. Spend most of your money to install a geothermal well for heating/cooling...or just do without and sweat/freeze.
3b. Spend the rest of your money to install a solar panel on top of your building and do not gripe when three days of overcast causes you to miss your favorite weather blog for a while.
4. Install 2 sets of pipes, one potable water, the other grey water for use in everything but drinking.

If you haven't done this already, yet you are willing to tell everyone else what they should do, the hypocrisy looms large. If you have already done this, I must say the strength of your faith in what has become subjective research, the media's honesty and objectivity, politician's (both aisles) honesty and objectivity is quite impressive.

As for myself, I am all for a reasonable effort to reduce man's negative impacts on the planet/atmosphere/oceans. I simply do not have the faith that the problems, answers, causes, and effects have been thoroughly proven and I shall not cheer for energy facism until such time. Thus far the holes in the theory and the half-truths leave me unimpressed.
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1074. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
6:44 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
At 18:00 PM UTC, Intense Tropical Cyclone 13R [930 hPa] located near 19.3S 78.3E has 10 minute sustained winds of 100 knots with gusts up to 145 knots. The cyclone is reported moving south-southwest at 12 knots.

Dvorak Intensity: T6.0/6.0/D2.0/24 HRS

Hurricane-Force Winds within 35 NN from the center

Storm-Force Winds within 60 NM from the center

Gale-Force Winds within 80 NM from the center

Near Gale-Force Winds within 100 NM from the center extending up to 145 NM in the eastern semi-circle.

Forecast and Intensity
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12 HRS: 21.7S 78.0E - 90 knots (CYCLONE Tropical Intense)
24 HRS: 24.6S 77.9E - 70 knots (CYCLONE Tropical)
48 HRS: 28.1S 76.9E - 40 knots (Depression Extratropical)
72 HRS: 32.5S 74.6E - 35 knots (Depression Extratropical)

Additional Information
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Intense Tropical Cyclone Kamba has maintained its wonderful configuration of a powerful system. During the last 6 hours, however a deterioration on the cloud pattern seems to have started at 1700z. FT is based on DT. This system will track on the western edge of a strong and stationary upper level subtropical ridge. Kamba should soon begin to weaken due to the association with stronger windshear.

Extratropical transition should start beyond 24 hours. Available dynamic aids are in good agreement with the forecast scenario and present guidance is on the eastern edge of all NWP tracks in close agreement with the ECMWF solutions.
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1073. ycd0108
6:11 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
click on "sea height" to animate
http://www.stormsurf.com/locals/brit.shtml
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1072. N3EG
5:17 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
The worst problem I've had with CFLs is the driver circuitry burning up. They can fill a room with smoke really fast. They also blink faster in response to voltage dips - I once had my deaf granddaughter get my attention from the other end of the house by switching her lights on and off and making mine flicker.
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1071. Caffinehog
5:09 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
If you broke a CF bulb in a 15'x15' room with 8ft celings, you'd be below the OSHA limits for mercury exposure.

The chemical that is most likely to kill anyone is cholesterol.

Check out what the EPA says to do about lead. Are you doing all of these things?
http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/leadinfo.htm
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1070. latitude25
5:05 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
That's your opinion, fine.

I'm not giving my opinion

I'm just posting what the Environmental Protection Agency
says to do if you break one of the new fluorescent light bulbs.

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1069. Caffinehog
4:49 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
The EPA often worries about things that aren't that big of a deal. Any disagreement on that?
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1068. Patrap
11:51 AM CDT on March 10, 2008
Europe: Infrared satellite animation
Link
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1067. taistelutipu
6:48 PM EET on March 10, 2008
BBC coverage about the winter storm in South and West England:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7286921.stm
The pictures of battering waves in the photo-show on this page are quite impressive. In the other article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7285859.stm
gusts up to 82 mph are reported.
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1066. Patrap
11:43 AM CDT on March 10, 2008
Yeah,well Im sure the 200,000 homes in Miss,LA, and Texas devastated and gutted in the Rita and Katrina storms heeded that advice to the letter. LOL!!!

Never saw 1 EPA outfit here in the 50plus structures we gutted or demolished in late 05 early 06.


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1065. latitude25
4:37 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
hog, I don't think anyone can say that the Environmental Protection Agency
is a tool of the far right. rotfl

This is just what the EPA says to do if you break
one of the new fluorescent light bulbs.

Link

What Never to Do with a Mercury Spill

Never use a vacuum cleaner to clean up mercury (but see the "What to Do if a Fluorescent Light Bulb Breaks" section below for more specific instructions about vacuuming broken fluorescent light bulbs). The vacuum will put mercury into the air and increase exposure.

Never use a broom to clean up mercury. It will break the mercury into smaller droplets and spread them.

Never pour mercury down a drain. It may lodge in the plumbing and cause future problems during plumbing repairs. If discharged, it can cause pollution of the septic tank or sewage treatment plant.

Never wash mercury-contaminated items in a washing machine. Mercury may contaminate the machine and/or pollute sewage.

Never walk around if your shoes might be contaminated with mercury. Contaminated clothing can also spread mercury around.

What to Do if a Fluorescent Light Bulb Breaks

Fluorescent light bulbs contain a very small amount of mercury sealed within the glass tubing. EPA recommends the following clean-up and disposal guidelines:

Before Clean-up: Ventilate the Room

Have people and pets leave the room, and don't let anyone walk through the breakage area on their way out.
Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.
Clean-Up Steps for Hard Surfaces

Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes and place them in the glass jar or plastic bag.
Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.
Clean-up Steps for Carpeting or Rug

Carefully pick up glass fragments and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
If vacuuming is needed after all visible materials are removed, vacuum the area where the bulb was broken.
Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister), and put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed plastic bag.
Disposal of Clean-up Materials

Immediately place all cleanup materials outside the building in a trash container or outdoor protected area for the next normal trash.
Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing clean-up materials.
Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific area. Some states prohibit such trash disposal and require that broken and unbroken mercury-containing bulbs be taken to a local recycling center.
Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug: Ventilate the Room During and After Vacuuming

The next several times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system and open a window prior to vacuuming.
Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least 15 minutes after vacuuming is completed.
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1064. Caffinehog
3:52 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
To put the compact fluorescent mercury problem in perspective:
Each bulb contains about 0.005g mercury. There are some modern bulbs that contain as little as 0.002g mercury; look them up.

Mercury thermometers contain 0.5g-3g of mercury. If anyone ever broke a mercury thermometer in your house, you could easily have 0.5g-3g mercury between your floorboards and not know it. That's the equivalent of breaking 100 or more compact fluorescent bulbs in your house!

Not to mention old thermostats, which sometimes contain up to 10g mercury, old light switches, some of which used up to 5g mercury. You may also have the much bigger problem of lead paint.

The extra coal burned to power an incandescent light bulb releases more mercury into the atmosphere than is contained in a CF bulb. So, while they should be recycled, even if they are just thrown in a landfill, they release less mercury into the atmosphere than incandescent bulbs.

The mercury worries spread by the far right are just as much a fallacy as the doom-and-gloom spread by the far left. Things said on the EIB network are just as full of political BS as things said on CNN. Check facts, don't just buy into fear.

I, for one, think you should be able to use whatever light bulb you choose. But I encourage you to look into CF. They help reduce my electric bill, and provide more light in low wattage sockets. You don't have to care about saving the planet to have good reason to use them.
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1063. Patrap
10:28 AM CDT on March 10, 2008
Castor Oil Pollutes too..Link
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1062. weatherboyfsu
3:15 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
I wasnt refering to you IVANSRVIVR as being closedminded......I am agreeing with you..... I was talking in general.........People in general need to be more open bigger ideas, not just there back yard....

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1061. Ivansrvivr
2:41 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
I am not closed minded to the possibility of climate change. I am very open minded to the issue of cleaning up the environment and eliminating our addiction to foreign oil. I simply see too many holes in the arguements made by those promoting "man made climate change" A.K.A Global Warming.
1060. Ivansrvivr
2:36 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
So which is it? The Glaciers in N.America are shrinking because we're having "Global Cooling". I'm not trying to be rude, but it seems like you are trying to have it both ways. it simply doesn't make since to blame shrinking northern glaciers and growing southern glaciers on global warming.
1059. weatherboyfsu
2:32 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
I agree with you IVANSRVIV.....

I am over closedminded people..... They have good intent but need to open there eyes completely....No more comments on that...

Boy, did we get some rain in florida......Our lakes are still below where they historically should be.....We have counties that rerouted our waterflow....its a shame,,,,,,,,,,its called greed which affects everything.......except the weather......lol....thank God!

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1058. latitude25
2:33 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
I don't know if the glaciers are melting, as much as they just haven't grown as much to keep up.
It takes a lot of snow to make a glacier grow.
And warmer means more snow.
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1057. Patrap
9:30 AM CDT on March 10, 2008
Thats a ridiculous statement.
Trying to land in Max Limit or more crosswinds is crazy at Best.
The MAn was lucky to recover the Aircraft and do a Go around.
One should never put Humans or the Aircraft at risk in such a manner. Live.ATC.net Link
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1056. Ivansrvivr
2:29 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
Flourescent lights give me migraines. When they stop selling traditional lights here I will live in the dark.
1055. Ivansrvivr
2:24 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
Biff has a point about the melting glaciers.... if you only look at the Northern glaciers. The Southern glaciers are growing as fast as the northern ones are melting. Since 80% of the land on earth is in the northern hemisphere, the north pole and it's glaciers get most of the attention.
1054. yacoub
2:28 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
A credit to Luftanza's pilots, for sure. Lesser airlines that hire less experienced pilots would have had a disaster for sure.
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1053. weatherboyfsu
2:18 PM GMT on March 10, 2008
And if your closed minded and only looking at what you want to look at(the northern hemisphere), you can make any conclusion you want.....as you are doing now! In case you didnt know, there is a southern hemisphere.....It is located below the equator!

Go to the "The Glenn Beck Radio Show", you can access on the internet.....He did an hour long interview with some world renowned Scientists from Austalia which is a country in the southern hemisphere near the southern pole.

And one more thing, I usually dont agree with Mr. Glenn Beck, but when he's right, he's right.........
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