Next century's most important place in the world--Greenland?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:58 PM GMT on December 21, 2007

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If one had to pick the region of the world most likely to influence the course of human history this century, the Middle East would be the obvious choice, due to its political volatility and rich oil resources. However, the Middle East may have a significant challenger next century from a seemingly unlikely place--Greenland. Why Greenland? Well, the Greenland ice sheet holds enough water to raise global sea level 7 meters (23 feet). There are worrisome signs that the ice sheet might be more vulnerable than we thought to significant melting near the end of the century, according to research results presented at last week's annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) in San Francisco. The meeting is the world's largest annual gathering of climate change scientists.

For climate change scientists, Greenland is clearly the most important place in the world. You could tell this by the way glaciers with unpronounceable names like "Kangerdlugssuaq" rolled off their tongues in a smooth, practiced manner at talks given at the AGU meeting. At least 120 presentations focused on the Arctic or Greenland, and fully 52 of these concerned Greenland. I attended roughly 20 of these talks, and most of the presenters made it clear that they were quite concerned about the future of Arctic sea ice and the Greenland ice sheet, particularly in light of the astounding Arctic sea ice melt that occurred in 2007. A number of these talks raised the possibility that we've reached a tipping point in the Arctic. A complete loss of summertime sea ice may occur between 2013 and 2040, three of the presenters said, with the resulting warming dooming the Greenland ice sheet to a slow but inevitable melting process over a period of centuries. None of the presenters expressed the view that the current melting of the Greenland ice sheet and Arctic sea ice was due to a natural cycle that would completely halt or reverse in the next few years or decades.

At a talk on "The Recent Arctic Warm Period", Dr. Jim Overland, an Arctic expert with NOAA's Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, didn't offer his view on whether a tipping point had been reached. Instead, he asked the audience to vote. The options he presented:

* A The melt back of Arctic sea ice observed in 2007 is permanent and will not lessen.
* B Ice coverage will partially recover but continue to decrease.
* C The ice would recover to 1980s levels but then continue to decline over the coming century.

Both Options A and B had audience support, but only one brave soul voted for the most conservative option C.


Figure 1. A research submarine breaks through the Arctic ice. Image credit: Bernard Coakley.

The latest news from Greenland
I was amazed see the tremendous breadth and intensity of research efforts focused on Greenland and the Arctic, presented at AGU. Extra funding has been given to research efforts as part of the International Polar Year (IPY) program, scheduled to run March 2007 through 2009. Satellites like Icesat and GRACE measure the extent of Greenland's ice from above, aided by a fleet of small and large research aircraft. Scientists now have unmanned aircraft that can use runways or be launched by slingshot that can measure the extent of Greenland's melt water lakes. The air armada will be joined next year by the Total Pole Airship, the first blimp used for Arctic studies. Manned and unmanned submarines measure the thickness of the sea ice surrounding the island, and both permanent and temporary bases dotted across Greenland and the polar sea ice house scientists doing land-based studies. Ships and buoys also add data from the ocean areas.

A short list of the results presented at AGU all point to an ice sheet in peril:

- Melting of snow above 2000 meters elevation on Greenland reached a new record in 2007 (Tedesco, 2007).

- Leigh Stearns of the University of Maine's Climate Change Institute showed that the contribution of Greenland melting to global sea level rise has doubled in the last five years. According to the 2007 IPCC report (see Figure 4.18), Greenland may account for as much as 10% of the total global annual sea rise of about 3-4 mm/year (approximately 1.5 inches per decade).

- Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) have warmed over 5° C (9° F) over the waters west of Greenland since 1990 (Figure 1, to the right). This has caused the ice-free season to increase by over 60 days per year along the coast.

- The Greenland ice sheet has experienced conditions as warm as those today in the past. Lowell et al. (2007) found organic remains in eastern Greenland that had just been exposed by melting ice, and dated these remains at between A.D. 800 to 1014. Thus, this portion of Greenland was ice-free about 1000 years ago, and temperatures were presumably similar to today's. Erik the Red took advantage of this warm period to establish the first Norse settlements in Greenland around 950 A.D. However, the climate cooled after 1200 A.D., and the Norse settlements disappeared by 1550.

For more information, see our new Greenland feature on our expanding climate change page.

Jeff Masters

References
Lowell, T.V., et al., 2007, Organic Remains from the Istorvet Ice Cap, Liverpool Land, East Greenland: A Record of Late Holocene Climate Change,, Eos Trans. AGU, 88(52), Fall Meet. Suppl., Abstract C13A-04.

Stearns, L.A., and G.S. Hamilton, 2007, New States of Behavior: Current Status of Outlet Glaciers in Southeast Greenland and the Potential for Similar Changes Elsewhere, Eos Trans. AGU, 88(52), Fall Meet. Suppl., Abstract C13A-06.

Tedesco, M., "A New Record in 2007 for Melting in Greenland," EOS, 88:39, 2007, 383.

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594. BahaHurican
10:59 PM EST on December 23, 2007
You know, a simpler solution would be for users to be able to use a setting in their profiles to turn automatic picture downloading on or off. That way only the ones affected by the slow downloads would need to adjust, and it would allow those people to select which pictures, if any, they want to see.
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593. BahaHurican
10:55 PM EST on December 23, 2007
I admit loading the blog with dialup can be challenging. I've done it a few times when we've had power outages during storms and I wanted to post. It's worth the wait.
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592. HIEXPRESS
3:50 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
583. V26R 3:45 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Ohhhh
Express
Careful now

He knows I didn't mean it in a mean spirited way. I just switched over myself not too long ago. All that hassle over $10/month. Cable Modems make great stocking stuffers.

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591. BahaHurican
10:50 PM EST on December 23, 2007


Merry Christmas Bahamian style, everyone!!!
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590. V26R
3:51 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
"Nobody is saying to stop the practice...just think about the rest of us. Are you saying that clicking on a thumbnail image in order to view the full image is such a difficult endeavor that you are willing to throw those of us with dial-up under ther train so to speak?"


Basically you did in a previous spost by telling 456 to keep the sizes of his images real small because you cannot afford or
do not want to spend the money on a decent internet connection, so if you cannot or do not want to upgrade your connection, yes I have to say why should I suffer by looking a images that are put into thumbnail size just to please you???

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589. moonlightcowboy
3:52 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Photobucket
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588. V26R
3:51 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Nite 456
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587. Weather456
11:49 PM AST on December 23, 2007
Have a Gnight all...see u guys later.
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586. lindenii
3:49 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
V26R,

You call it suffering to have to click on a thumbnail image?

Your analogy with the car and horse does not work in this situation; it's like comparing apples to oranges.

Nobody is saying to stop the practice...just think about the rest of us. Are you saying that clicking on a thumbnail image in order to view the full image is such a difficult endeavor that you are willing to throw those of us with dial-up under ther train so to speak?

According to several websites which keep statistics on such things as percentages of dial-up users and the others, the latest figures suggest that over 35% still access the internet through a dial-up type of system. Certain types of WiFi aren't all that much faster either. It all depends on where you are in relation to the 'tower'.
585. BahaHurican
10:43 PM EST on December 23, 2007
563. latitude25 10:04 PM EST on December 23, 2007

China is the number one polluter of the entire Pacific Ocean.


China is living the way the US was in the last century.

You know, I wonder how come China is not up to its navel in garbage and pollution? It's always had a higher population density in its urban areas than just about any other country - I'm talking a couple thousand years here. I wonder how they dealt with pollution issues during the Ming dynasty? Maybe they have abandoned useful clean methods to become more "modern".
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584. V26R
3:45 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Merry Christmas Baha
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583. V26R
3:43 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Ohhhh
Express
Careful now


ROFLOL
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582. BahaHurican
10:30 PM EST on December 23, 2007
Evening everybody,

I would like to throw in my two cents on the image posting. I have found that images posted directly to the blog are more efficient for me. I don't think people include images to "show off their prowess". Those who regularly post images do so as a convenience for others who may not have the amount of time it takes to surf to all the different websites and individually gather the day's information. Also they are using images to justify forecast judgements, which makes sense to me. If I have to stop and open someone else's blog every time I look at an image, I'd never be able to read the blog before I go to work in the a. m. And, unlike many here, I don't have internet access at work at all - not even dialup - and there's nothing I can do about it, either. So having all the images on the page I downloaded means I can read the blog offline later without a problem. I couldn't do that with thumbnails.

I do believe if you are posting images you should take care that your image has not already been posted. The Admins have already done a lot to ensure that pic sizes stay within reasonable limits. But there are advantages to having the pictures posted into the blog for me, and I'm sure many other bloggers feel the same way.
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581. HIEXPRESS
3:35 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
And I thought I was the last person in the world to get broadband. Time to move into the 00s. & it wasn't 30 additional $. Pony Up or back of the bus.,.
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580. lindenii
3:37 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
456,

Just so that you know. I am heavily involved with photography of wildlife and technical subjects as well and sometimes I get carried away with evaluating photos by people I hardly know and who never really asked for the evaluation in the first place.

Those images you posted meant something to you and I should have been more understanding about them. Sorry about that.
579. V26R
3:32 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
"I like viewing the blog while at work and I see it as fortunate that I tried accessing it through dial-up because I became aware of the plight of those among us who might actually be unable to afford the expense of a DSL connection. $30 a month and more is a lot of money to some of us and suggesting that we get a faster connection so that others can play to their hearts content is just not fair"


Im wondering what your Boss would say if he saw that comment
So you want the rest of us suffer and not
take advantage of something that most of us bust our butts to get and enjoy then because you cannot afford to get a decent connection?
If you could not afford a car, but had a horse, would you want the rest of us to get one just to say even with you?

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578. Weather456
11:31 PM AST on December 23, 2007
Is it really that unfair to ask bloggers to post their images more responsibly? What is so hard about a thumbnail with a link to a bloggers site where the full image can be found ; if it means that others can more easily enjoy the Wunderground experience? Text only takes moments to download, it is the images that make it a daunting task and makes the visit to Wunderground unpleasant at times.

I am willing to post thumbs. But you may have problems next year with others.
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577. V26R
3:30 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
"Honestly, 456, those images belonged in your blog and not in the general post area. They were simply pictures of rain, mist, fog and waves with some cliffs and building thrown in for good measure. Where they originated had no bearing on the fact that there was nothing so special about those pictures that they deserved bandwidth on the main blog"


Sorry dude
Have to defend Mr. 456
He posts some of the best stuff on here and very on topic
So if you feel that some of his stuff isn't on the topic of weather, well...
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576. V26R
3:28 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
WOW 456 FNMOC calling for that Low to explode up over the very North Atlantic down to a 976mb
Broad area in 2 days after hit nails Newfoundland

Looks like another one right on its heals too



Link
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575. lindenii
3:29 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
561. Weather456 2:59 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
And also,

Just becuz someone is not interested in the same topic as you does not mean you have to shun them. For example, when I was discussing the Irish Storm and you were talking about Dr Master's post about "did this years storm deserve names." You made it sound I was posting off-topic nonsense and even assumed I took some past image and post it as a web cam shot. Those of things you have been doing since u come here. Frankly, I am not interested in whether they got named or not, what's done is done. Neither the topic of GW. That is something you should respect.


Honestly, 456, those images belonged in your blog and not in the general post area. They were simply pictures of rain, mist, fog and waves with some cliffs and building thrown in for good measure. Where they originated had no bearing on the fact that there was nothing so special about those pictures that they deserved bandwidth on the main blog.

I like viewing the blog while at work and I see it as fortunate that I tried accessing it through dial-up because I became aware of the plight of those among us who might actually be unable to afford the expense of a DSL connection. $30 a month and more is a lot of money to some of us and suggesting that we get a faster connection so that others can play to their hearts content is just not fair.

Is it really that unfair to ask bloggers to post their images more responsibly? What is so hard about a thumbnail with a link to a bloggers site where the full image can be found ; if it means that others can more easily enjoy the Wunderground experience? Text only takes moments to download, it is the images that make it a daunting task and makes the visit to Wunderground unpleasant at times.
574. MichaelSTL
9:25 PM CST on December 23, 2007
560. V26R 8:54 PM CST on December 23, 2007
STL if you're still here
Merry Christmas too


Thanks


I guess this explains the activity level
lately on here

"There is no tropical storm activity for this region"


LOL
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573. Weather456
11:23 PM AST on December 23, 2007
The GFS
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572. HIEXPRESS
3:21 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Forget GW - Prevent LOCAL WARMING
A red flag warning is now in effect for Monday from 12 PM EST
/11 am CST/ until 6 PM EST /5 PM CST/ for the eastern Florida
Panhandle and Florida Big Bend
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571. V26R
3:18 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
456 which model is that?
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570. Weather456
11:17 PM AST on December 23, 2007
Merry Christmas 456. :-)>

Merry Christmas to you too!
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569. V26R
3:16 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Lindenii
If you are having troubles at this time of season, maybe you should consider getting a
better connection type because in a few weeks
when the Pacific season heats up and then
the Atlantic season starts it can get really hectic on this site
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568. Weather456
11:09 PM AST on December 23, 2007
Coastal Storm expected to develop and move up offshore the US East Coast.

The first image shows the storm just east of the Carolinas on the 26. While second shows a deeper and more intense storm over Newfoundland, Canada on the 28. Both images are by the Global Forecasting System (GFS). The NAM also shows the cyclone in T60 hrs just off the US East Coast.



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567. lindenii
3:16 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
456,

I appreciate your reasoned and deliberate post regarding the posting of images and charts.

Effective immediately, I retract any and all negative references regarding that subject and express my regrets if feelings were hurt.

All I ask is that you and others who are prolific downloaders of images and charts, keep in mind that it takes forever, for those of us who enjoy the Wunderground blog and who are accessing it through a dial-up, to download the blog when there are massive amounts of data needing to be downloaded because of images and charts.

Surely the Admin can process each image submitted and include a thumbnail for use in the main post. Linking the thumbnail to the larger image would substantially speed up the blog and significantly reduce the bandwidth needed to keep it functioning properly.

That way, you do not have to think about it, the program handles it all for you and everybody is happy.

Merry Christmas 456. :-)>
566. V26R
3:09 AM GMT on December 24, 2007


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565. V26R
3:09 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
I guess this explains the activity level
lately on here


"There is no tropical storm activity for this region"
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564. V26R
3:05 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Pretty Nasty Line about to move into the NYC area

Link
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563. latitude25
9:59 PM EST on December 23, 2007
we are already well over what the planet can sustain, and consider than everybody wants to live the way we do in the U.S.

Michael, if more countries lived like us there would be a lot less of the pollution you're talking about.
China is the number one polluter of the entire Pacific Ocean.
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562. Weather456
10:59 PM AST on December 23, 2007
559. V26R 10:53 PM AST on December 23, 2007 Hide this comment.
Merry Christmas 456


Merry Xmas to you too.
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561. Weather456
10:52 PM AST on December 23, 2007
And also,

Just becuz someone is not interested in the same topic as you does not mean you have to shun them. For example, when I was discussing the Irish Storm and you were talking about Dr Master's post about "did this years storm deserve names." You made it sound I was posting off-topic nonsense and even assumed I took some past image and post it as a web cam shot. Those of things you have been doing since u come here. Frankly, I am not interested in whether they got named or not, what's done is done. Neither the topic of GW. That is something you should respect.
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560. V26R
2:54 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
STL if you're still here
Merry Christmas too
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559. V26R
2:53 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Merry Christmas 456
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558. Weather456
10:41 PM AST on December 23, 2007
lindenii,

Apparently you dont be here during the hurricane season. But I am one of the persons who you are referring to in your posts and I am offended. You cannot tell people what to post and how to post them. Persons will just ignore you and continue posting. Its apart of the Hurricane and Typhoon Seasons and people are not going to stop posting or posting thumbnails just for you.

But I am a reasoning person and just to show you I will from now on post thumbnails instead of the full size images so both you and I can enjoy. Also you need be more polite. It does not show at first, but you seem to make other posts look bad using intelligence. You seem like an educated person but you must not abuse that gift. That is why I called you an educated jackass and you are not giving me any reason to take it back. Sorry but I feel as tho u put me down.
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557. MichaelSTL
8:32 PM CST on December 23, 2007
But isn't putting every single skeptic on ignore considered discrimination?

I am talking about the ones who are so against it that they think it is all a big hoax or scam, the kind of people who think that we can't be even responsible for at least some of the warming (I consider this just as bad as people who say that everything is caused by man-made climate change). Put it another way - to completely deny that we have had any affect at all on the climate is like saying that we are not responsible for anything else that we have done (pollution, extinctions, overhunting, etc). I think it all stems from "we cannot possibly affect something as big as the earth", not realizing how many people there are on this planet (and depending on the exact method to calculate it, we are already well over what the planet can sustain, and consider than everybody wants to live the way we do in the U.S.). This way of thinking has lead to disaster before (and as far as climate change goes, it does not mean anything like what you might see in certain horror flicks, much less Earth becoming another Venus, for example, you have to realize that Venus's atmosphere is far denser (~90x) and I see no way that the same could happen to Earth).
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556. lindenii
2:39 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
553. Patrap 1:48 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
If one is to do the weather thing online..I would suggest finding a Affordable Satellite Hi-Speed Connection if a Cable one isnt available where one lives.

We get that some dont have it. But Linking the images isnt done by everyone..sadly.
I try to link all my content,esp during Landfalling Canes or severe weather. Moving,or animated ones are a real No-no here too. Its slows everyone down.A link is much better all around.


I must admit that I have noticed your consistent use of links, and you should be commended for it.

Were it not for cable in my area, I would be forced to use dial-up because DSL is not available. I am forced, however to use dial-up at my business. I am too cheap to pay $95 per month for commercial access which is the only other choice I have available.

Concerning dial-up access, yes, it is a ridiculous chore to have to wait for the blog to load because of a few discourteous individuals who seem more bent on displaying their wannabe prowess with images and charts. Add to that inconvenience the fact that if I do attempt to read a post before all images have loaded, my read is often disrupted because the screen resets with each finished image.

Why can't the people who program this blog simply force linking to the respective bloggers and their blogs, with thumbnails being displayed in the actual post? The thumbnail could be twice the size of the avatar and it would be easy to see enough detail to aid in making the choice to view the full sized picture by clicking on the thumbnail. That way they get to show off their prowess and we get to read the blog without all the download drag.
555. latitude25
9:06 PM EST on December 23, 2007
542. P451 3:39 PM EST on December 23, 2007
and the earth will once again be a frozen planet in the future


That would be the real spooky part, if any of us were going to live that long.

The very reason we are here is because the planet got warmer.


Someone told me a funny story the other day.
Having sex is very inefficient, just simple division is much more efficient.
But that produces a exact copy, and takes a whole lot longer to create adjustments for species survival.
Having sex, gets a lot more diversity in the gene pool, and allows for a much faster evolution, or adaption to faster changing environment.

so the reason we have sex, which is a very inefficient form of reproduction and should have been either discarded or literally bred out or not evolved in the first place, is because of climate change.
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554. latitude25
8:52 PM EST on December 23, 2007
"a article Al Gore wrote in 1999 about GW and he said it was happening and such but at a rate that we have 200 years to correct it and all that. Then in 2001 it was 175 years, then it dropped to 150 years, then just last week he stated we have less then 50 years before all hell breaks loose. Shoot at this rate we are all going to be dead by 2010"

It's exactly those things, and many more examples of the same sort of thing, that sets my warning bells off.

One, they say we should trust them because they know what they are talking about.
Yet, they are contradicting themselves all the time.
We should believe in 1999 that they knew what they were talking about,
then changed it, but they still know what they are talking about.

If it's only 50 years now, wasn't someone wrong when they said 200 years?

Plus, it just seems like a push to pay.
Like some shady deal.
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553. Patrap
7:43 PM CST on December 23, 2007
If one is to do the weather thing online..I would suggest finding a Affordable Satellite Hi-Speed Connection if a Cable one isnt available where one lives.

We get that some dont have it. But Linking the images isnt done by everyone..sadly.
I try to link all my content,esp during Landfalling Canes or severe weather. Moving,or animated ones are a real No-no here too. Its slows everyone down.A link is much better all around.
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552. P451
1:42 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Another person added to my ignored list... to think that the Earth will eventually become another Venus because of global warming... shows they know nothing...

You place people on your ignore list that you disagree with? Why even participate in an open forum? If you truly believe your opinion is fact and everyone else's ideas are mere fallacy perhaps you'd be better off writing a book and spreading your wisdom by touring the country.

As to my comment if you can't interpret such a blanket statement then you have no business staking your own opinions as fact while attempting to talk down to others.

Good day, sir.
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551. lindenii
1:19 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
So much for the other site that was supposedly for slow dial-ups. All the same wanabe image wonks as with this site.

What is needed is a way to force thumbnails on the main blog with links to the bigger images for those interested in seeing them. Now that would make the site faster.

The bells and whistles still work; just that it isn't any faster.

One thing it has going for it though is the fact that is a much cleaner presentation. I like it.
550. Patrap
7:00 PM CST on December 23, 2007
from August 25th 2006; Link


New Jeff Masters blog for dial-up users
There is new blog site for those of you suffering on slow dial-up connections, or for those of you who don't want to see the comments: Link

http://www.wund.com/blog/JeffMasters/show.html

Jeff Masters
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549. lindenii
12:55 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
548. KoritheMan 12:12 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
(just to rub the skeptics' noses into the dirt again)

I can understand where you're coming from. I myself now believe in global warming (I used to be a skeptic). But isn't putting every single skeptic on ignore considered discrimination?


No silly wabbit it's not discrimination.

Personally, I like the 'IGNORE' button because it makes the blog so much easier to navigate. Those who insist on shoving their prowess at image manipulation down my throat without regard that I might have a slow dial-up or who are simply not nice...Click on 'Ignore User' and they vanish without a trace.

Now that I have learned the trick to the 'IGNORE' button, this blog is so much more tranquil and pleasant.

Whenever I want to see all that is going on, I don my isolation suit and simply log on anonymously and all that stuff is back in all its' gory detail. It's easy, it's quick and no settings have to be changed back and forth.

Even the so-called bannings go away like magic.
548. KoritheMan
12:07 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
(just to rub the skeptics' noses into the dirt again)

I can understand where you're coming from. I myself now believe in global warming (I used to be a skeptic). But isn't putting every single skeptic on ignore considered discrimination?
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547. Patrap
5:46 PM CST on December 23, 2007


O My,I was going to Blow up the Earth, but since your Doing it yourselves..I shall exit, this way..Harumph!
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546. aquak9
6:39 PM EST on December 23, 2007
re: post 540

I guess that makes us WU bloggers aliens? :)
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545. Patrap
3:40 PM CST on December 23, 2007

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544. MichaelSTL
3:01 PM CST on December 23, 2007
Mars is more than likely our future not Venus

Another person added to my ignored list... to think that the Earth will eventually become another Venus because of global warming... shows they know nothing...

rmh9903 as well... as if he doesn't know where the data to make that map came from... not from a computer I can tell you that... that is the last 365 days of actual observations... not a future computer model projection (he obviously can't believe that; look here and weep) like this:



Unexpected "bitter cold" swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007. Johannesburg, South Africa, had the first significant snowfall in 26 years.

(just to rub the skeptics' noses into the dirt again)

PS: Don't try to reply, it won't work; I also recommend to others to use the ignore button instead of flagging posts (which I almost never do anyway, even to plus them because I don't want to take the time), much easier to do and doesn't make their comments become hidden to others who might have some reason to see them.
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