Next century's most important place in the world--Greenland?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:58 PM GMT on December 21, 2007

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If one had to pick the region of the world most likely to influence the course of human history this century, the Middle East would be the obvious choice, due to its political volatility and rich oil resources. However, the Middle East may have a significant challenger next century from a seemingly unlikely place--Greenland. Why Greenland? Well, the Greenland ice sheet holds enough water to raise global sea level 7 meters (23 feet). There are worrisome signs that the ice sheet might be more vulnerable than we thought to significant melting near the end of the century, according to research results presented at last week's annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) in San Francisco. The meeting is the world's largest annual gathering of climate change scientists.

For climate change scientists, Greenland is clearly the most important place in the world. You could tell this by the way glaciers with unpronounceable names like "Kangerdlugssuaq" rolled off their tongues in a smooth, practiced manner at talks given at the AGU meeting. At least 120 presentations focused on the Arctic or Greenland, and fully 52 of these concerned Greenland. I attended roughly 20 of these talks, and most of the presenters made it clear that they were quite concerned about the future of Arctic sea ice and the Greenland ice sheet, particularly in light of the astounding Arctic sea ice melt that occurred in 2007. A number of these talks raised the possibility that we've reached a tipping point in the Arctic. A complete loss of summertime sea ice may occur between 2013 and 2040, three of the presenters said, with the resulting warming dooming the Greenland ice sheet to a slow but inevitable melting process over a period of centuries. None of the presenters expressed the view that the current melting of the Greenland ice sheet and Arctic sea ice was due to a natural cycle that would completely halt or reverse in the next few years or decades.

At a talk on "The Recent Arctic Warm Period", Dr. Jim Overland, an Arctic expert with NOAA's Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, didn't offer his view on whether a tipping point had been reached. Instead, he asked the audience to vote. The options he presented:

* A The melt back of Arctic sea ice observed in 2007 is permanent and will not lessen.
* B Ice coverage will partially recover but continue to decrease.
* C The ice would recover to 1980s levels but then continue to decline over the coming century.

Both Options A and B had audience support, but only one brave soul voted for the most conservative option C.


Figure 1. A research submarine breaks through the Arctic ice. Image credit: Bernard Coakley.

The latest news from Greenland
I was amazed see the tremendous breadth and intensity of research efforts focused on Greenland and the Arctic, presented at AGU. Extra funding has been given to research efforts as part of the International Polar Year (IPY) program, scheduled to run March 2007 through 2009. Satellites like Icesat and GRACE measure the extent of Greenland's ice from above, aided by a fleet of small and large research aircraft. Scientists now have unmanned aircraft that can use runways or be launched by slingshot that can measure the extent of Greenland's melt water lakes. The air armada will be joined next year by the Total Pole Airship, the first blimp used for Arctic studies. Manned and unmanned submarines measure the thickness of the sea ice surrounding the island, and both permanent and temporary bases dotted across Greenland and the polar sea ice house scientists doing land-based studies. Ships and buoys also add data from the ocean areas.

A short list of the results presented at AGU all point to an ice sheet in peril:

- Melting of snow above 2000 meters elevation on Greenland reached a new record in 2007 (Tedesco, 2007).

- Leigh Stearns of the University of Maine's Climate Change Institute showed that the contribution of Greenland melting to global sea level rise has doubled in the last five years. According to the 2007 IPCC report (see Figure 4.18), Greenland may account for as much as 10% of the total global annual sea rise of about 3-4 mm/year (approximately 1.5 inches per decade).

- Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) have warmed over 5° C (9° F) over the waters west of Greenland since 1990 (Figure 1, to the right). This has caused the ice-free season to increase by over 60 days per year along the coast.

- The Greenland ice sheet has experienced conditions as warm as those today in the past. Lowell et al. (2007) found organic remains in eastern Greenland that had just been exposed by melting ice, and dated these remains at between A.D. 800 to 1014. Thus, this portion of Greenland was ice-free about 1000 years ago, and temperatures were presumably similar to today's. Erik the Red took advantage of this warm period to establish the first Norse settlements in Greenland around 950 A.D. However, the climate cooled after 1200 A.D., and the Norse settlements disappeared by 1550.

For more information, see our new Greenland feature on our expanding climate change page.

Jeff Masters

References
Lowell, T.V., et al., 2007, Organic Remains from the Istorvet Ice Cap, Liverpool Land, East Greenland: A Record of Late Holocene Climate Change,, Eos Trans. AGU, 88(52), Fall Meet. Suppl., Abstract C13A-04.

Stearns, L.A., and G.S. Hamilton, 2007, New States of Behavior: Current Status of Outlet Glaciers in Southeast Greenland and the Potential for Similar Changes Elsewhere, Eos Trans. AGU, 88(52), Fall Meet. Suppl., Abstract C13A-06.

Tedesco, M., "A New Record in 2007 for Melting in Greenland," EOS, 88:39, 2007, 383.

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644. V26R
4:39 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
USMC don't go that route
You've seen what can happen
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642. hondaguy
4:32 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Final Comment on this issue:

Lindenni...Admin is not going to do anything about it because they already have. PREFERENCES allow you to select whether or not you want to see images, and then that further allows you to select the images you want to see when they have one in the blog.

Why cant you just do this instead of ignoring the fact that others have suggested it?

I have to say that even though this is completely un-weather related, it does make for an interesting comment stream! LOL

Really though, there should be nothing more to say on this because it has become completely rediculous.
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641. extreme236
4:33 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Why are you only picking on W456 about it then? There are numerous other people who post images on here quite frequently. You say not to stop posting pics on here but how do you determine when it becomes too much?? Until I see other people complaining about it like crazy then I wont think that much of it. DSL and Cable is too easy to get now and not too expensive compared to dial-up.
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640. V26R
4:34 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
236 watch what his comeback will be for that
I already tried that route
Even going as far as to say that if he couldn't afford a car but had a horse, would
he want us all to ditch our cars and buy
horses!
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639. V26R
4:32 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Honda, USMC
This guy has been complaining since yesterday evening when he jumped on 456 about his image
sizes

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638. usmcweathr
11:30 AM EST on December 24, 2007
Keep the pictures. I have cable and it takes seconds for the page to load. If you have all of the comments displayed at once than yes it will take longer for the page to load. If you set it to display 50 comments at a times with the newest first than you don't have to wait for the whole blog.
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637. extreme236
4:32 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Now adays, its hard to find a dial-up friendly website...are we supposed to have every website change their ways because of people who have dial-up? lol no
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636. lindenii
4:32 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
626. extreme236 4:21 PM GMT on December 24, 2007

lindenii, no where does it say people cant post images...if some rule was made about it, then I would understand. You cant expect people not to post images just because a few people's computers slow down. I dont see anyone else making a big deal about this other than you. If no one else cares that much than there is no point on making a big deal about it.


extreme, here is a quote from my post numbered 625

"...I am not saying stop posting images; doing so would make me just like them. I am saying that you should respect rights of others and do the right thing by posting a thumbnail image with a link. After all, the text that goes along with the image should explain what is being looked at, don't you think?"

Regardless, the ball is in Admins' court and we can ony wait and see what they decide, if anything, to do about the issue.
635. hondaguy
4:30 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
USM, there is only one person complaining about it.

Like you have said, a number of people have suggested to set the image preferences.

Apparently that's to big of a problem and the one person that is complaining, keeps on complaining.
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634. extreme236
4:26 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
lindenii, if you listen to everyone else, they all want 456 to keep posting images. Where do you find this 35% number at??? No one else is complaining but you. Its only the motion pictures on here that cause the most problems, not the still-pics.
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633. usmcweathr
11:16 AM EST on December 24, 2007
All of you complaining about having to wait for the images on the page to load just need to stop. If your too cheap to pay for dsl/cable, than just disable images from loading in your browser. I don't think there is a page out there that is dial-up friendly anymore. They are all pretty much loaded with graphics/flash or media of some sort.
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632. sydneyaust1
4:16 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
456 - I find your images both fascinating and/or educational. I would much rather have them in the blog as it is a pain to have to keep jumping elsewhere. Thanks for all the great Weather information you post I learn heaps from it.
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631. V26R
4:24 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Lindenii

This has to be a record for complaining about one subject

You started yesterday evening and you're still going strong today!!!

Take a break and complain about something else please!
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630. extreme236
4:25 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Wouldnt the blog be boring if there was justa bunch of words and links? The pics make things interesting.
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629. lindenii
4:25 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Regarding full sized images being posted on this blog.

Hopefully, Admin will see that the selfishness of some on this list is not the way to go.

At some point in the future, the number of people posting images will rise to the point that something will have to be done. They, Admin, are the ones who have to decide if it is worth having a selfish few slowdown the experience for others and lose membership and thus lose advertising exposure for WU.

It's about showing courtesy, pure and simple.

Show courtesy to those who are part of the 35% by posting thumbnail images in your posts or show total disregard for them by forgeing ahead, 'pedal to the metal' posting full images in your posts.

It's your call.

628. hondaguy
4:18 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Again,

Set your preferences to not include images, and select the ones you would like to see.

That's what the preference is there for.
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627. Orcasystems
4:15 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
I agree with almost everyone.. keep posting the images. Some of them really make life interesting, like trying to figure out where they are on the world when he doesn't mention where they are.

Merry Christmas all.. hope you have a good one.

Shen, hope Santa brings you more snow :)

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626. extreme236
4:19 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
lindenii, no where does it say people cant post images...if some rule was made about it, then I would understand. You cant expect people not to post images just because a few people's computers slow down. I dont see anyone else making a big deal about this other than you. If no one else cares that much than there is no point on making a big deal about it.
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625. lindenii
4:12 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
greyelf,

This is not about the quality of the photos or the lack thereof. This is not about whether or not 456, or others for that matter, can/should post images to the blog.

It is about common courtesy. If you know that posting an image means a marked slowdown for somewhere near 35% of your fellow bloggers; is it right for you, in a sense, to say 'too bad so sad'. Or should you respect others by posting a thumbnail image with a link to the full image that is posted elsewhere? I am suggest that WU make the process automated.

Yes, if you are the only one posting an image, it is easy to say big deal to the slowdown since the slowdown is only 13 seconds. What happens when the number of messages with images rises to ten or twenty as it often does during season. At twenty images that slowdown rises to over 4 minutes.

Isn't that just a wee bit selfish on your part to suggest that they don't count and that you do? I am not saying stop posting images; doing so would make me just like them. I am saying that you should respect rights of others and do the right thing by posting a thumbnail image with a link. After all, the text that goes along with the image should explain what is being looked at, don't you think?

That way, we can all see the images, smaller though they may be, and then we can decide if our curiousity is sufficiently raised to cause us to click on the link for a close-up look-see.
624. extreme236
3:49 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
People probably know by now that for optimal blogging, dial-up isnt a good choice.
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622. extreme236
3:47 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Yes, please keep posting them W456. The pictures are quite interesting and help others learn more visually (such as your dvorak pictures).
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621. hondaguy
3:34 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
It seems like majority rules here with the image conflict. MOST everyone now has DSL or faster, and it's not much more expensive (now-adays) than dial up.

I used to have dial up, but did not complain about things that other people had/have the right to do. 456 has never been flagged by wunderground for doing what he is doing...therefore he has the right to post the pic's as he pleases.

I do believe a number of users here have made the suggestion that you can set your preferences so that image's do not pop up and then you can select the ones you want to see.

Keep posting 456. I'd rather see the full pic's here because clicking on thumbnails just makes an extra step for everyone else who has an internet connection capable of handling the picture size.

That's another thing, why should nearly everyone else have to adjust for maybe 10% that have slow connections? That does not make sense.
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619. Greyelf
3:16 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Place my vote as well with those that want 456 to continue posting his images. Those images are pretty much the only reason I come to read this blog these days now that the hurricane season has slowed down. I enjoy the images he posts that do not seem to be shown anywhere else. Please keep posting them 456.
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618. latitude25
9:45 AM EST on December 24, 2007
611. aspectre 9:05 AM EST on December 24, 2007
Methinks ya see AnthropogenicGlobalWarming under your bed. 41inches per century is approximately the upper rate of modern-day tectonic subsidence in coastal Louisiana found through direct measurement of old elevation/landmark posts, without including any rise in sealevel.

aspectre, tell me if I'm reading this right.

Not only has New Orleans sunk about 3ft, but most of the salt water intrusion into the marshes and things like that, are more because of the land sinking 3ft.

Here is a article in NG, that says something to the effect that where the levees broke in Katrina, some of those levees could be 3 ft lower than when they were built 40 years ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060601-new-orleans.html

"What we found is that some of the levee failures in New Orleans were [in] places where subsidence was highest," University of Miami geophysicist Tim Dixon told the Reuters news service."

"The data suggest that some levees could be 3 feet (0.9 meter) lower than when they were built some 40 years ago."

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617. lindenii
2:53 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Posting images on this blog is not as simple as using an attachment in an e-mail. From what I understand, it must be posted to the blog elsewhere and then called up for display. If that is not the case, it would be simple to initiate a process to do just that.

The methodology I am describing would be software that took an image from you and IT complied a thumbnail to go along with it. Whenever you wrote a message that included an image or chart, the software would post the thumbnail on you message, by default. The software would also complie the code for the LINK to the actual full sized image.

Assuming a download of 56Kbps dial-up modem speed.

What size should the image measure? 150px by 150px is best because that would cause a display size of 1 1/2 " X 1 1/2" on a monitor using 96 DPI and slightly larger than 2" X 2" on a 72 DPI monitor. In any case, the image or chart would consume 22k and would result in a download time of approximately 4 seconds each.

The so-called 500px by 500px image consumes 88k and takes approximately 16 seconds to download.

If each person posting to the blog were to download a single image 500 by 500; even if the display limit was set to 50 posts per page, that would mean having to wait almost 13 minutes.

If the same images had been compiled by the WU software into a thumbnail measuring 150by150, the time waiting would be reduced to 3.3 minutes instead.

Is it so outrageous to expect a little courtesy from all participants? It is amazing to see posts that say 'I hate clicking on links because it takes time to do that', and yet the same request for smaller thumbnail images is met with ridicule?

I repeat, WU can compile each and every image submitted and produce a thumbnail that can be posted with a post. It is not rocket science for them...it might take all of half an hour to write the code. That way, it would be 'automatic'.


616. hondaguy
2:33 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Good morning everyone!

I dont know if I'll be on tomorrow, so I want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas!

Check out my blog on the COLD (for us anyway) morning we are having down here in the south.
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615. HIEXPRESS
9:14 AM EST on December 24, 2007
2008 will be even LONGER.
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614. sebastianjer
9:06 AM EST on December 24, 2007
For what it's worth 456
I find your post, pictures and all, some of the most informative and best on Dr. M's blog. Keep up the good work and thanks for the great insight you bring to the site

Jer
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613. BahaHurican
8:55 AM EST on December 24, 2007
Morning 456,

I'm only looking in for a minute. I think 2007 was just LONG . . . Some of it may have been waiting for that other shoe to drop . . .

The picture thing, I'm sure, will more or less resolve itself. I genuinely believe the bulk of us don't have a problem with picture posting, and I seriously doubt we have 35 in 100 of the regular bloggers who would prefer not to see your pictures. I think everybody needs to be more judicious about posts (i. e. making sure pics are resized, not posting the same pic someone posted a few messages before), but that is just blog etiquette. Using links for large information is also very useful; it does not, nevertheless, have the immediate visual impact of direct pic posting. I happen to think a pic is worth a thousand words, and I'd rather look at the pic than read the words!

I hope you don't stop posting pics, especially now, in the off season when the blog is slow anyway. You could post a pic with practically every message now anyway and not use up the bandwidth we normally use in August and Sept.

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612. Weather456
2:02 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
I am currently trying to find the exact figure but here's some info

Atlantic Ocean
Near normal SST conditions prevailed in equatorial Atlantic.
SST anomalies remained much smaller than those in the last year in MDR
Precipitation anomalies over Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea
Positive SST anomaly stretched southward in the extra-tropical North Atlantic
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611. aspectre
1:53 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
350. Patrap "At Grand Isle, Louisiana, sea level already is rising by 41 inches per century, and is likely to rise another 55 inches by 2100."

526. lindenii "How can Grand Isle have a sea level rise of 41 inches per century while the rest of the world is experiencing only just under 8 inches.
Perhaps your source is a wee bit over-enthusiastic and tends to make up stuff. What do you think?
"

Methinks ya see AnthropogenicGlobalWarming under your bed. 41inches per century is approximately the upper rate of modern-day tectonic subsidence in coastal Louisiana found through direct measurement of old elevation/landmark posts, without including any rise in sealevel.
Basicly everything south of the Michoud*Fault is slowly sliding down&south into the Gulf. Which wasn't particularly noticeable when the Mississippi was wild -- left free to change its course -- and depositing mud on top of that subsidence.
However the lower Mississippi has been turned into a canal from its junction with the AtchafalayaRiver southward in order to keep NewOrleans viable as port. Add channels dredged through barrier islands, swamps, and shallows to ease shipping -- which allows larger waves to more quickly erode the coastline itself; which in turn allows faster sliding down&south of soil inland from the coastline -- and the situation essentially resolves itself into sacrificing the rest of southern Louisiana to the ocean.

The 55inches includes the IPCC mean estimate of sea-level rise within this century. But that mean point was based on pre2004 data. Most of the people who worked on gathering and collating that data have been surprised by the sharp increase in ice melt since 2003, and feel that the IPCC's "mean" should now be viewed as the lower boundary.

* The 10Freeway from BatonRouge west to the Texas border and the 12Freeway from BatonRouge east through Slidell runs near the northern edge of the MichoudFault. There was a full report of Dokka's Congressional testimony with a complete map of the subsidence region and the location&changes of the elevation/landmark posts at http://www.house.gov/transportation/water/10-20-05/dokka.pdf , but the Republicans pulled it down before losing control.
Perhaps Dr.Masters can get Dokka's permission to post his report to Congress on this website.
IF I remember Dokka's map correctly...
Without filling in those artificial shipping channels and opening the MississippiRiver into its natural junction at the AtchafalayaRiver or massive reengineering of the MississippiCanal after NewOrleans, most of the land directly south of a staightline between PortArthur,Texas and NewOrleans,Louisiana will have subsided below current sealevel shortly after 2050.
By around 2100, most of the land directly south of the 10&12Freeways will have subsided below current sealevel. NewOrleans will exist as a below-sealevel seawalled island connected to BatonRouge by the peninisula of levees forming the MississippiCanal. The "crows foot" south and east of NewOrleans will continue to exist above sealevel due to deposition of the river-borne soil on the current(ly artificial) MississippiDelta. The 10Freeway, Beumont, LakeCharles, Lafayette, BatonRouge, and Sidell will remain above sealevel, though most of the 12Freeway will be underwater.
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610. Weather456
1:44 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Something to remember in 2008.

There are three tropical wave models

African Wave - Tracked from Ethiopia to the West African Coast. These are vigorous squalls with no surface low until they reached the coasts. This year I found them easy to track using atmospheric variables at 700 mb - PV, TPW, Voticity and Winds. Also, surface and upper air obs from Dakar was used to track these waves as they enter the Atlantic.

The Inverted V Tropical Wave - From the Canary Islands to the Lesser Antilles. The wave cause perturbation in the easterly trades and cloudiness. This year I found them easy to track using visible imagery and quikscat..along with 700 - surface variables.

The Eastern Caribbean Wave - As waves enter the Caribbean they increase in convection after a relatively inactive Trans-Atlantic trip through the Saharan Dust Layer. Increase cloudiness and wind shifts in the Islands was helpful in tracking these waves. Also ROABS from Trinidad, Barbados, Guadeloupe and Sint Maarten was helpful in tracking these waves.

There are countless resources to track these waves so you to can indentify a wave and track it even though there wud be no shower activity.
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609. keywestdingding
1:43 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
does anyone know how warm the ocean is this year compared to normal. thanks.
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608. Weather456
1:06 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
I have to admit...2007 seem like a really long year. Maybe its becuz I utilize every single day this year to the fullest.
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607. Weather456
7:20 AM AST on December 24, 2007
GM all,

456 why have you not put the person attacking you on ignore?

While true...I dont have any need for an ignore list. I will use the ignore list as really really really last resort. I like to here two sides of a debate. Using an ignore list, you just be "listening to yourself".

I did not know that this picture thing will become such an issue. Yes I hope Wunderground will have a quick solution for 08. And also if you notice and go back all my images never exceeded a width of 500 pixels.
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606. ShenValleyFlyFish
10:50 PM EST on December 23, 2007
456 why have you not put the person attacking you on ignore? Where they truly having problems with your posts they could put you on ignore and not have to deal with them. If the person you are responding to is who I think, if not a troll they certainly need a lot of education as to blogging etiquette.

On a similar thread. To discriminate is to choose. To choose not to listen to someone is not a sign of lack respect for freedom of speech. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh any more not because I disagree with him (I do) but because I became bored with his act and didn't think I was learning anything new about how people I disagree with think. However I make it a point to read George Will someone who I disagree with often but continue to learn from. (He'd give me hell for that preposition on the end of the sentence,) This my personal choice. Were I to hear that Limbaugh was being banned from the airwaves by the government I would be irate, deluge my representatives with letters and join in a "March on Washington for his right to state his views". I still wouldn't listen to his show. However were he to loose his contract with whatever syndication service he works for I would consider it a workplace dispute and not loose any sleep over the issue.

I apologize for the length of this rant but freedom of speech is a topic dear to my heart and I've put in a lot of shoe leather to get to the point where I stand. Were we "In Season" I would not have posted it.


To those of you who read to the end: Thank you.
To those who do not: You have my respect.
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605. V26R
4:25 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Im outta here too

TTFN all
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603. BahaHurican
11:15 PM EST on December 23, 2007
I'm going to say good night now. I have to get out in the morning, unfortunately. I really enjoyed the last 2 days when I could sit and read to my heart's content . . .

G'night, all!
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602. BahaHurican
11:09 PM EST on December 23, 2007
Now that I think of it, I'm surprised Aaron and those didn't think of it before.

YOu know, there used to be a lot of problems with too large images. I notice now that the blog will generally not allow images wider than about 650 pixels or so to be posted.

So maybe they are thinking along our lines, but haven't implemented yet?
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601. HIEXPRESS
4:07 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
Baha is right. Member settings could include Quality: High, Medium, or Low & text only. I guess this discusson should go to the Dev Blog.
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600. BahaHurican
11:08 PM EST on December 23, 2007
I hope WunderYakuza is paying attention. This could be the start of a whole new WunderGround . . .

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599. V26R
4:08 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
You know Baha
I hate when that happens to my toothpaste tube
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598. lindenii
4:08 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
594. BahaHurican 4:02 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
You know, a simpler solution would be for users to be able to use a setting in their profiles to turn automatic picture downloading on or off. That way only the ones affected by the slow downloads would need to adjust, and it would allow those people to select which pictures, if any, they want to see.


Dang nab it!!! I never thought of that solution!!

So simple and yet so perfect. Set it and forget it. There could even be a placeholder for those who set the images to 'off'. That way they would know there were images included with the post.

Brilliant, Baha, simply brilliant!!.

597. BahaHurican
11:05 PM EST on December 23, 2007
Lin, I think my solution is easier for Admin to install. Instead of making everything into a thumbnail, why not just set pictures on or off?
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596. BahaHurican
11:00 PM EST on December 23, 2007
586. lindenii 10:50 PM EST on December 23, 2007
V26R,

You call it suffering to have to click on a thumbnail image?


You might be surprised at how annoying that becomes after a very short period of time. Like the one you love squeezing the toothpaste tube from the middle when u think it should be squeezed from the end. Little things can mean a lot.
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595. lindenii
4:04 AM GMT on December 24, 2007
V26R

I guess you don't understand the concept of a 'Thumbnail Image'

Have you ever opened a folder with a whole bunch of pictures and seen only names?

Did you know that you could click on 'VIEW' then click on the choice 'Thumbnails' and see all the pictures in the folder, only much smaller?

Did you know that you could then click on the image and have it load in one of your graphics programs?

The admin could easily process a thumbnail image that would, by default, be posted in your post to the main blog. Just as easily they could make a link to the full sized image so that those who wanted could see the full image. It is not rocket science to do this sort of thing.

If Admin does it, you won't even have to think about it, it will simply be done as part of the process of posting a message.
594. BahaHurican
10:59 PM EST on December 23, 2007
You know, a simpler solution would be for users to be able to use a setting in their profiles to turn automatic picture downloading on or off. That way only the ones affected by the slow downloads would need to adjust, and it would allow those people to select which pictures, if any, they want to see.
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