Next century's most important place in the world--Greenland?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:58 PM GMT on December 21, 2007

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If one had to pick the region of the world most likely to influence the course of human history this century, the Middle East would be the obvious choice, due to its political volatility and rich oil resources. However, the Middle East may have a significant challenger next century from a seemingly unlikely place--Greenland. Why Greenland? Well, the Greenland ice sheet holds enough water to raise global sea level 7 meters (23 feet). There are worrisome signs that the ice sheet might be more vulnerable than we thought to significant melting near the end of the century, according to research results presented at last week's annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) in San Francisco. The meeting is the world's largest annual gathering of climate change scientists.

For climate change scientists, Greenland is clearly the most important place in the world. You could tell this by the way glaciers with unpronounceable names like "Kangerdlugssuaq" rolled off their tongues in a smooth, practiced manner at talks given at the AGU meeting. At least 120 presentations focused on the Arctic or Greenland, and fully 52 of these concerned Greenland. I attended roughly 20 of these talks, and most of the presenters made it clear that they were quite concerned about the future of Arctic sea ice and the Greenland ice sheet, particularly in light of the astounding Arctic sea ice melt that occurred in 2007. A number of these talks raised the possibility that we've reached a tipping point in the Arctic. A complete loss of summertime sea ice may occur between 2013 and 2040, three of the presenters said, with the resulting warming dooming the Greenland ice sheet to a slow but inevitable melting process over a period of centuries. None of the presenters expressed the view that the current melting of the Greenland ice sheet and Arctic sea ice was due to a natural cycle that would completely halt or reverse in the next few years or decades.

At a talk on "The Recent Arctic Warm Period", Dr. Jim Overland, an Arctic expert with NOAA's Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, didn't offer his view on whether a tipping point had been reached. Instead, he asked the audience to vote. The options he presented:

* A The melt back of Arctic sea ice observed in 2007 is permanent and will not lessen.
* B Ice coverage will partially recover but continue to decrease.
* C The ice would recover to 1980s levels but then continue to decline over the coming century.

Both Options A and B had audience support, but only one brave soul voted for the most conservative option C.


Figure 1. A research submarine breaks through the Arctic ice. Image credit: Bernard Coakley.

The latest news from Greenland
I was amazed see the tremendous breadth and intensity of research efforts focused on Greenland and the Arctic, presented at AGU. Extra funding has been given to research efforts as part of the International Polar Year (IPY) program, scheduled to run March 2007 through 2009. Satellites like Icesat and GRACE measure the extent of Greenland's ice from above, aided by a fleet of small and large research aircraft. Scientists now have unmanned aircraft that can use runways or be launched by slingshot that can measure the extent of Greenland's melt water lakes. The air armada will be joined next year by the Total Pole Airship, the first blimp used for Arctic studies. Manned and unmanned submarines measure the thickness of the sea ice surrounding the island, and both permanent and temporary bases dotted across Greenland and the polar sea ice house scientists doing land-based studies. Ships and buoys also add data from the ocean areas.

A short list of the results presented at AGU all point to an ice sheet in peril:

- Melting of snow above 2000 meters elevation on Greenland reached a new record in 2007 (Tedesco, 2007).

- Leigh Stearns of the University of Maine's Climate Change Institute showed that the contribution of Greenland melting to global sea level rise has doubled in the last five years. According to the 2007 IPCC report (see Figure 4.18), Greenland may account for as much as 10% of the total global annual sea rise of about 3-4 mm/year (approximately 1.5 inches per decade).

- Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) have warmed over 5° C (9° F) over the waters west of Greenland since 1990 (Figure 1, to the right). This has caused the ice-free season to increase by over 60 days per year along the coast.

- The Greenland ice sheet has experienced conditions as warm as those today in the past. Lowell et al. (2007) found organic remains in eastern Greenland that had just been exposed by melting ice, and dated these remains at between A.D. 800 to 1014. Thus, this portion of Greenland was ice-free about 1000 years ago, and temperatures were presumably similar to today's. Erik the Red took advantage of this warm period to establish the first Norse settlements in Greenland around 950 A.D. However, the climate cooled after 1200 A.D., and the Norse settlements disappeared by 1550.

For more information, see our new Greenland feature on our expanding climate change page.

Jeff Masters

References
Lowell, T.V., et al., 2007, Organic Remains from the Istorvet Ice Cap, Liverpool Land, East Greenland: A Record of Late Holocene Climate Change,, Eos Trans. AGU, 88(52), Fall Meet. Suppl., Abstract C13A-04.

Stearns, L.A., and G.S. Hamilton, 2007, New States of Behavior: Current Status of Outlet Glaciers in Southeast Greenland and the Potential for Similar Changes Elsewhere, Eos Trans. AGU, 88(52), Fall Meet. Suppl., Abstract C13A-06.

Tedesco, M., "A New Record in 2007 for Melting in Greenland," EOS, 88:39, 2007, 383.

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694. V26R
6:24 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Baha , were those Houses???
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693. sydneyaust1
6:19 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
The following is an excerpt from here; Link

The entire Queensland coastline is open to tropical cyclones. Generally the more stronger destructive cyclones cross the Queensland coast between Cooktown and Rockhampton. The coast between Townsville and Mackay is particularly at risk because of its more NW - SE direction. The last destructive cyclone to cross the Queensland coast was Cyclone Aivu in April 1989 which crossed the coast south of Townsville near the towns of Ayr and Home Hill. Winds were close to 200 km/h ( 125 mph ).

Other famous Queensland cyclones have been Cyclone Athea which struck Townsville in December 1971 with winds near 200 km/h ( 125mph ). Athea brought with it a 3m ( 10ft ) storm surge, and caused $50 million worth of damage. Many Queensland cyclones are destructive not for their winds but for the large amount of rain that can accompany them. Cyclone Wanda in February 1974 was an example of this with floods in Brisbane and most of SE Queensland.

The strongest Australian cyclones have crossed Western Australia's NW coast. This coast is so sparsely populated that often cyclones which would cause massive destruction in settled areas, cross the coast here without much media fanfare. Could you imagine a Category 4 Hurricane crossing the US coast and being ignored by the media. Well it has happened here ! Only the extreme SW and southern coasts of Western Australia are cyclone free. The most at risk area is the section of coast from Broome to Shark Bay. In December 1975 Cyclone Joan crossed the Western Australian coast about 30 miles from Port Hedland, even so winds in Port Headland gusted to 212 kph ( 132 mph ). Damage was about $20 million. The highest ever recorded wind gust in Australia was associated with a cyclone in Australia's NW. This was recorded near Onslow with winds reaching 259 km/p ( 160 mph ).
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692. BahaHurican
1:21 PM EST on December 24, 2007
OH my!



I couldn't figure out what this was at first . . .
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691. lindenii
6:22 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Baha,

How about this.

A setting in which 'ON' means all images are full size and 'OFF' which means thumbnails are active instead. And default is 'OFF". That way the visitors get the quick load and are encouraged to join making the advertisers very happy. Setting to 'ON' is only possible if a person is a member.

Best of both worlds.

Couple of lines of code should do the trick.

That way, those who take the time to process images will know that their work is still reaching everybody, even if some are thumbnails.
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690. BahaHurican
1:20 PM EST on December 24, 2007
Syd,

Nobody much around here would know it's a swear word . . . LOL (well, the caymanites and other Commonwealthers might, but we won't make much of a noise about it . . .;o)
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689. BahaHurican
1:17 PM EST on December 24, 2007
"That is what the stewpot said to the fire: 'At your age, licking my bottom!' But she was tickled just the same."

Wole Soyinka, The Lion and the Jewel
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688. sydneyaust1
6:07 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Well Baha the most famous one is Cyclone Tracy which hit Darwin on Christmas Eve 1974 I think. It pretty well destroyed Darwin and is very famous in our history. You should checkout the track of this the way it navigated around the various land masses you would swear someone was driving the bloody thing!!! (Am I allowed to say 'bloody' on this blog? LOL)

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687. BahaHurican
1:14 PM EST on December 24, 2007
An English-born friend of mine has been going home every Christmas to visit in-laws, and she was telling me last week that it's hardly been cold at all in England the last 5-7 years or so.
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686. V26R
6:10 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
In Reference to your Post # 666

"Shows how little you know about web sites. Those pictures don't get on a web page by magic and they certainly don't get there without their impact being given serious thought. That evaluation includes determining size and resolution which is then compared to download time for the ultimate user, the internet surfer.

If you look back to another post of mine, you will find that I have both Cable and dial-up. I did not want to pay the outrageous fee of $95 per month at the office because they wanted to call it 'commercial' and that was ridiculous.

You will also note that I mentioned how I was surprised at how difficult it was to use the blog because of all the photos being placed in the main blog. It made me realize just how selfish some people are on this blog. Now I don't write a web site without testing it on a dial-up connection."


Lindenii
I never said that I know alot about computers
or Web sites, In fact if you ask anyone who knows me on here (or in person) they will say the exact opposite
And All you said in your earlier posts about how you cannot afford to pay for a decent
ISP connection at home so you use the
Decent ISP connection at work because you cannot afford or do not want to spend the extra money for it at home!
This is the second time I caught you in a lie
One word of advice before I end this and
just ignore you from here on out,
If you're going to lie,keep your own story straight or better off, Just don't lie, tell
the truth, You called USMC ( a guy who've I seen on here alot and respect for his posts)
a Troll, Seems to me that you are calling the kettle black and you are the troll

Over and Out

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685. BahaHurican
1:06 PM EST on December 24, 2007
Snipped this bit from Wikipedia:

Miami has never recorded a triple-digit temperature; the highest temperature recorded was 98 °F (37 °C).[16]. The coldest temperature ever recorded in the city of Miami was 30 °F (-1 °C) on several occasions.[17] Miami has only once recorded snowfall, on January 20, 1977. . . .

Miami receives abundant rainfall, one of the highest among major U.S. cities. Most of this rainfall occurs from mid-May through early October. It receives annual rainfall of 58.6 inches (1488 mm),[19] whereas nearby Fort Lauderdale and Miami Beach receive 63.8 in (1621 mm) and 48.3 in (1227 mm), respectively, which demonstrates the high local variability in rainfall rates. Hurricane season officially runs from June 1 through November 30, although hurricanes can develop beyond those dates. The most likely time for Miami to be hit is during the peak of the Cape Verde season which is mid-August through the end of September.[20] Due to its location between two major bodies of water known for tropical activity, Miami is also statistically the most likely major city in the world to be struck by a hurricane, trailed closely by Nassau, Bahamas, and Havana, Cuba.


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684. sydneyaust1
6:01 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Thanks Hondaguy - I was originally born in Manchester England - maybe I have been living in a warmer climate for too long - I do remember digging my Dads car out of the driveway as a kid when it really snowed. The La Nina has finally produced some decent rain here in Australia - I was listening to a very happy farmer from Northwest NSW on the radio this morning who was saying he has received the first decent rain in 15 YEARS!!!
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683. BahaHurican
1:04 PM EST on December 24, 2007
Syd, I wanted to ask what the Aussie record is on cyclones striking the coast during the Christmas season. I know that's pretty early for storm formation, but we do occasionally get storms during the latter half of June, which is about what Christmas time there would correspond to in our basin.
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682. BahaHurican
1:03 PM EST on December 24, 2007
Yr welcome, Syd. Only about 36 hours left before the start of the 2007 Boxing Day Junkanoo parade.

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681. BahaHurican
1:00 PM EST on December 24, 2007
456,

Still very warm in the SE FL area, though. And the humidity seems much higher than usual. It's as if there's a barrier across the Everglades holding the truly cold weather back. A few Christmases back a post-Christmas cold snap had Miami DAYTIME temperatures in the upper 50s. Now THAT's cold . . . lol
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680. BahaHurican
12:54 PM EST on December 24, 2007
676. lindenii 12:49 PM EST on December 24, 2007
Baha,

Happy Christmas Eve!

I just tried it...sorry, no cigar.


Hmmm. Looks like ur right about the no change. I really need to read the blog wiki to see just what that setting is supposed to impact. Also it might be a good idea after all to scoot over to Developer's blog and make a suggestion about an on-off switch for blog-insterted pictures.

Nevertheless, I don't feel it's fair to make 65 people have to click on thumbnails for every picture so that 35 people don't have to wait as long to load their pages. There has to be a better way to deal with this issue.
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679. hondaguy
5:56 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Sydney - It is a little chilly for us in the USA, yes.

I'd say it's about an average winter for the south. We have had many days in the upper 70's with even some low 80's. In the beginning of December we set or tied some record highs.

I believe the northern US is having a slightly cooler winter than usual, but most everywhere is fairly close to normal.
678. sydneyaust1
5:50 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Hi Baha - I loved your Bahamas celebration picture - you guys sure know how to party!!

A quick question for the USA bloggers. Is this an unusually intense Winter for you guys? - I can't beleive the number of storms that have clobbered the US in the past couple of weeks but I have only really seen it this winter because I started reading this blog.
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677. Weather456
1:37 PM AST on December 24, 2007
Very Cold Christmas Weather

This afternoon infrared imagery of the CONUS showed an abundant of cold air sitting over the the Nation. The first image shows the very cold air clearly picked up by infrared image.

The second image shows the culprits. A series of shortwave troughs which is bringing cold Canadian Air into the region. There is a shortwave over the Eastern Plains and NWestern Rockies.

The Third image is the result. Showing cold current temps.

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676. lindenii
5:49 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Baha,

Happy Christmas Eve!

I just tried it...sorry, no cigar.

I just ran the blog and there are plenty of 456 images to test and they all show up crystal clear. No, 456, I am not complaining.

It might be that they were referring to the acutual WunderPhotos that are placed on the sideline sometimes.

Or...are you suggesting that the setting goes into effect on the subsequent postings. That would go against all the stuff that they say when you unset a setting, everything goes back to full display mode.

FYI I am using Netscape 7.2
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675. BahaHurican
12:38 PM EST on December 24, 2007
BTW, to talk weather for a second, it's currently overcast w/ light rain here (Nassau, Bahamas).

I'm kinda curious as to what process is causing the precip, since last time I looked we were under an area of high pressure.
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674. BahaHurican
12:34 PM EST on December 24, 2007
Afternoon all,

Back in for a few seconds. Guess what! I haven't looked my member settings page for so long, I didn't even REALIZE there was a setting for showing pictures!!!!

So Lin, the ADMIN did think about this before me . . . lol. Have you tried changing the setting? I need somebody to post a whole punch of pictures now so I can see how the setting works . . .

Mind u, I have DSL, but when the power is out, I'm forced to fall back on dialup. It would be cool to be able to cut down the imaging so I could get in and out of the blog faster.
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673. lindenii
5:29 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
670. hondaguy 5:21 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
456 - It's very nice of you to bend to the one of 100's on here that has a problem with the images.

That's very commendable of you. :-)


Absolutely correct, he is an honorable person, who has my utmost respect.

Thank you 456.
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672. extreme236
5:24 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Surprisingly enough, I have to agree with Lindenii on that particular post...
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671. lindenii
5:23 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Regarding post #662. usmcweathr 4:59 PM GMT on December 24, 2007

Shame on you!!

That young man is in the middle of a glorious triumph and you have the audacity to use him to ridicule me?

I have finally learned what the word 'TROLL' really stands for..you and those like you who stoop to name calling and the use of other forms of ridicule to asuage your unhappiness.

May God bless that young boy as he moves through life and may the admin people remove your ridicule of him - post haste.
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670. hondaguy
5:20 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
456 - It's very nice of you to bend to the one of 100's on here that has a problem with the images.

That's very commendable of you. :-)
669. sydneyaust1
5:12 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
An excellent Greenland Article on current research - article dated August 2007

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668. Weather456
1:14 PM AST on December 24, 2007
I really appreciate all of this. And I will not stop posting but I have to balance it with lindenii.

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667. sydneyaust1
4:42 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Interesting discussion on Ice Sheet on ICESat site

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666. lindenii
5:08 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
655. V26R 4:48 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
"How do I know this. Because I write code for web sites and my research into the best format is based on the data that is readily available. In addition to that part about 35% being on dial-up, over 40% still use 800X600 screens with 72 dpi. The programmer has to inform the person who has contracted with them, the in's and out's of various programming issues."


Wait one second dude
Yesterday you stated that you work in the
professional photographic sector evualating photos now you write computer programs???
Which is it. Seening you have two professions
you should be able to afford a decent ISP connection!


Shows how little you know about web sites. Those pictures don't get on a web page by magic and they certainly don't get there without their impact being given serious thought. That evaluation includes determining size and resolution which is then compared to download time for the ultimate user, the internet surfer.

If you look back to another post of mine, you will find that I have both Cable and dial-up. I did not want to pay the outrageous fee of $95 per month at the office because they wanted to call it 'commercial' and that was ridiculous.

You will also note that I mentioned how I was surprised at how difficult it was to use the blog because of all the photos being placed in the main blog. It made me realize just how selfish some people are on this blog. Now I don't write a web site without testing it on a dial-up connection.

Someone had a silly comment complaining about having to waste half a second clicking on a thumbnail image being a horrific experience; yet wasting the time of a fellow blogger is perfectly okay.
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665. extreme236
5:04 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Ouch USMC that was too harsh IMO. I disagree with Lindenii on apparently many things, but I have to respect Lindenii's opinions and responses as he has the right to post his opinion. Isnt disagreeing on things what the country I live in (that country being the US and im sure many others here live in the US) built on? All throughout history there have been disagreements but thats what makes everyone so unique and interesting, is that everyone has different ideals and opinions on things.
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664. hondaguy
5:00 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
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663. beell
5:02 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
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661. extreme236
4:57 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Still, a season with all those records and notable storms isnt a complete bust.
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660. extreme236
4:55 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Here is the message in its entirety. I guess we will have to see what everyone else thinks. And I have the answer to your question about why the storms were short lived. The enviromental conditions were not the best for some of these storms and it resulted in the storms being short lived. There may be more reasoning to why the storms were shortlived but for the most part it was because of enviromental conditions. Im sure you have heard about things being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

*********** Original message follows: ***********
Sent by extreme236 at: 1:08 PM GMT on December 21, 2007

I still dont understand how a season with 15 named storms and 2 landfalling category fives is a bust. Billions of dollars in damages occured and more than 400 people died. We saw the 9th strongest storm on record form, the fastest intensifying hurricane on record and the fastest intensification from TD to cat 1 hurricane on record for Humberto. How on earth doest that make the season a dud? Just because of ACE? ACE isnt the only thing the NHC uses to determine a season's activity. That only measures the duration. We had two cat 5's that equated to about 50 of the 70 ACE we had this season. The other storms were just short lived. Nonetheless, any season where people die and billions of damages are caused doesnt seem like a bust to me. If Dean would have hit the US, I dont think ANYBODY would call this season a bust. But anyway, nice having this discussion.
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It all depends on how you want to look at a Hurricane season.

The way you just described it, it is more of a play by play profession basketball game commentary with stats and all that goes with it. As opposed to a deliberate analysis all that actually happened. The fact that there was a great big riot after the game has no bearing on how it was played. Damages and deaths being like that riot. It is all aftermath nothing more, nothing less.

Take the ACE as another example. In 2005, the two top Cat5 storms, Wilma and Emily, tallyed an ACE score of almost 71. When you subtract that score from the years total ACE, according to the scorce at Wikipedia, of 248, you get a remainder of 177. Dividing 177 by the remaining storms that year...25, we get an average ACE for each storm of 7.08. In 2007, the two top Cat5 storms, Dean and Feliz, had a combined ACE of 50.3 and subtracting that from the years total ACE of 68.1 you get a remainder of 17.8 ... By dividing that number by the remaining storms that year 12.. we get an average ACE of only 1.48 ... Your mention of the other 2007 storms being 'short lived'...The ACE proves you correct on that issue. Why aren't you asking 'WHY"?

Hence the word 'bust' to describe that year 2007.

I think the problem lies in the fact that our instrumentation is so much more sensitive that we blur the distinction between the world with the instrumentation and the world before the instrumentation. When our instrumentation was less developed, we did not name storms with the same time line as we do today. By that I mean that years ago, days might go by before a storm was named and today the instrumentation allows us to name it much earlier in the curve.

Having the ACE as a tool, we should see that simply counting the number of named storms is not a particularily accurate way to evaluate a Hurricane season. Nor is it really much more accurate by categorizing them ether. Using the ACE should cause us to want to know why there was such a big difference and whether or not our current weather models are in need of a serious revamping. I believe that they are.
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659. extreme236
4:53 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Ok Lindenii
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658. lindenii
4:53 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
646. extreme236 4:38 PM GMT on December 24, 2007

Oh and Lindenii, I read you response to the WU mail I sent you.


extreme,

you have my permission to release the entire message I wrote to you. That way, everyone will see exactly what I wrote and be able to comment on it.
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657. V26R
4:51 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
BTW if anyone in Alabama is offened, Please accept my apology
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656. V26R
4:49 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Okay now I think that you're blowing smoke out of someplace down south, and I don't mean Alabama either!


If you haven't been on here since yesterday complaining about this I would wonder
But...

Dare I use the T word???
Hummmmmm
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655. V26R
4:46 PM GMT on December 24, 2007

"How do I know this. Because I write code for web sites and my research into the best format is based on the data that is readily available. In addition to that part about 35% being on dial-up, over 40% still use 800X600 screens with 72 dpi. The programmer has to inform the person who has contracted with them, the in's and out's of various programming issues."


Wait one second dude
Yesterday you stated that you work in the
professional photographic sector evualating photos now you write computer programs???
Which is it. Seening you have two professions
you should be able to afford a decent ISP connection!
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654. extreme236
4:43 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Well if they dont have access to cable then they can get DSL lol
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653. lindenii
4:45 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
633. usmcweathr 4:28 PM GMT on December 24, 2007

...I don't think there is a page out there that is dial-up friendly anymore. They are all pretty much loaded with graphics/flash or media of some sort.


Interesing that you should say that. This entire WU website is written with slow dial-up access in mind. Notice how the left side of the screen is 95% text with little if any graphics?

How do I know this. Because I write code for web sites and my research into the best format is based on the data that is readily available. In addition to that part about 35% being on dial-up, over 40% still use 800X600 screens with 72 dpi. The programmer has to inform the person who has contracted with them, the in's and out's of various programming issues.

There are tons of people out there in the world who do not have access to cable, who have antiquated phone line that barely support 28Kbps much less 56Kbps. WU is between a rock and a hard place in this regard. Their advertisers expect a bang for their money and WU is compelled to make that bang is as big as possible. Hence the decision to write the site for the slower systems usch as dial-up.

Just take a look at the Please Visit Our Sponors area below this blog. Perfect size for thumbnails.
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652. extreme236
4:44 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
649. V26R 4:43 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
After All We all know SIze doesn't matter!


LOL
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651. hondaguy
4:43 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Good one V26...lol

I dont know that Mom Nature is pissed off, but she sure did a nice job of freezing us southerner's out this morning!
650. extreme236
4:43 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
This is the closest to a bust season I could find, and even then, a category 3 hurricane moved inland over Texas causing a 2007USD 5 billion in damages.

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649. V26R
4:43 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
After All We all know SIze doesn't matter!
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648. V26R
4:42 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Okay can someone Please Piss of Mom Nature
so we can have something intelligent to
discuss besides Image Size!
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647. V26R
4:41 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
It was funny tho
USMC
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646. extreme236
4:38 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
Oh and Lindenii, I read you response to the WU mail I sent you. You were only able to use ACE as a determining factor in calling the season a bust. ACE is not the only factor or tool to use to determine if a season is a bust or not lol. I liked how you used the fact that Dean and Felix's damages were only "aftermath." Now if they would have hit the US and caused over 300 deaths and 5 billion in damages, I doubt you would say the same thing. It only takes one storm to make a season a bad one. If you read the NHC discription of the year, they say it was near average, not a bust or below average. Because they know ACE is not the only way to measure a hurricane season.
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645. hondaguy
4:40 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
LOL@USM's comment.

So is it cold in anyone elses neck of the woods this morning?
644. V26R
4:39 PM GMT on December 24, 2007
USMC don't go that route
You've seen what can happen
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Sunset on Dunham Lake
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Sunset on Lake Huron