Next century's most important place in the world--Greenland?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:58 PM GMT on December 21, 2007

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If one had to pick the region of the world most likely to influence the course of human history this century, the Middle East would be the obvious choice, due to its political volatility and rich oil resources. However, the Middle East may have a significant challenger next century from a seemingly unlikely place--Greenland. Why Greenland? Well, the Greenland ice sheet holds enough water to raise global sea level 7 meters (23 feet). There are worrisome signs that the ice sheet might be more vulnerable than we thought to significant melting near the end of the century, according to research results presented at last week's annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) in San Francisco. The meeting is the world's largest annual gathering of climate change scientists.

For climate change scientists, Greenland is clearly the most important place in the world. You could tell this by the way glaciers with unpronounceable names like "Kangerdlugssuaq" rolled off their tongues in a smooth, practiced manner at talks given at the AGU meeting. At least 120 presentations focused on the Arctic or Greenland, and fully 52 of these concerned Greenland. I attended roughly 20 of these talks, and most of the presenters made it clear that they were quite concerned about the future of Arctic sea ice and the Greenland ice sheet, particularly in light of the astounding Arctic sea ice melt that occurred in 2007. A number of these talks raised the possibility that we've reached a tipping point in the Arctic. A complete loss of summertime sea ice may occur between 2013 and 2040, three of the presenters said, with the resulting warming dooming the Greenland ice sheet to a slow but inevitable melting process over a period of centuries. None of the presenters expressed the view that the current melting of the Greenland ice sheet and Arctic sea ice was due to a natural cycle that would completely halt or reverse in the next few years or decades.

At a talk on "The Recent Arctic Warm Period", Dr. Jim Overland, an Arctic expert with NOAA's Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, didn't offer his view on whether a tipping point had been reached. Instead, he asked the audience to vote. The options he presented:

* A The melt back of Arctic sea ice observed in 2007 is permanent and will not lessen.
* B Ice coverage will partially recover but continue to decrease.
* C The ice would recover to 1980s levels but then continue to decline over the coming century.

Both Options A and B had audience support, but only one brave soul voted for the most conservative option C.


Figure 1. A research submarine breaks through the Arctic ice. Image credit: Bernard Coakley.

The latest news from Greenland
I was amazed see the tremendous breadth and intensity of research efforts focused on Greenland and the Arctic, presented at AGU. Extra funding has been given to research efforts as part of the International Polar Year (IPY) program, scheduled to run March 2007 through 2009. Satellites like Icesat and GRACE measure the extent of Greenland's ice from above, aided by a fleet of small and large research aircraft. Scientists now have unmanned aircraft that can use runways or be launched by slingshot that can measure the extent of Greenland's melt water lakes. The air armada will be joined next year by the Total Pole Airship, the first blimp used for Arctic studies. Manned and unmanned submarines measure the thickness of the sea ice surrounding the island, and both permanent and temporary bases dotted across Greenland and the polar sea ice house scientists doing land-based studies. Ships and buoys also add data from the ocean areas.

A short list of the results presented at AGU all point to an ice sheet in peril:

- Melting of snow above 2000 meters elevation on Greenland reached a new record in 2007 (Tedesco, 2007).

- Leigh Stearns of the University of Maine's Climate Change Institute showed that the contribution of Greenland melting to global sea level rise has doubled in the last five years. According to the 2007 IPCC report (see Figure 4.18), Greenland may account for as much as 10% of the total global annual sea rise of about 3-4 mm/year (approximately 1.5 inches per decade).

- Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) have warmed over 5° C (9° F) over the waters west of Greenland since 1990 (Figure 1, to the right). This has caused the ice-free season to increase by over 60 days per year along the coast.

- The Greenland ice sheet has experienced conditions as warm as those today in the past. Lowell et al. (2007) found organic remains in eastern Greenland that had just been exposed by melting ice, and dated these remains at between A.D. 800 to 1014. Thus, this portion of Greenland was ice-free about 1000 years ago, and temperatures were presumably similar to today's. Erik the Red took advantage of this warm period to establish the first Norse settlements in Greenland around 950 A.D. However, the climate cooled after 1200 A.D., and the Norse settlements disappeared by 1550.

For more information, see our new Greenland feature on our expanding climate change page.

Jeff Masters

References
Lowell, T.V., et al., 2007, Organic Remains from the Istorvet Ice Cap, Liverpool Land, East Greenland: A Record of Late Holocene Climate Change,, Eos Trans. AGU, 88(52), Fall Meet. Suppl., Abstract C13A-04.

Stearns, L.A., and G.S. Hamilton, 2007, New States of Behavior: Current Status of Outlet Glaciers in Southeast Greenland and the Potential for Similar Changes Elsewhere, Eos Trans. AGU, 88(52), Fall Meet. Suppl., Abstract C13A-06.

Tedesco, M., "A New Record in 2007 for Melting in Greenland," EOS, 88:39, 2007, 383.

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344. Weather456
11:58 AM AST on December 22, 2007
CENTRAL AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN REGION....

An abundance of clear, sunny skies and fair weather is affecting most, if not all, of the Caribbean this afternoon. The culprit is large amounts of dry stable air that sits over the region. The only shower activity remains south of 10N from Lower central America across Northern South America. Stray showers may occur within patches of clouds and moisture being transported by the trades. This will be one of the many beautiful Saturdays that the region will experience between now and May – the dry season.



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343. BahaHurican
11:07 AM EST on December 22, 2007
Like I said, latitude, it's implied.

SOP for writers.
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342. sydneyaust1
3:57 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
333. rmh9903 3:53 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
I love this site but am noticing a very rapid and somewhat disturbing change.... It is becoming more of a political forum for global warming and less about weather. Perhaps the should be a new site created by those that support this global warming stuff and leave this site strickly to weather forcasting?


Yes - posted a couple of links and got into a "discussion" with VF and Lat - will drop it now. Shouldn't argue at 3:00 AM anyway (thats right GMT + 11) Yawn LOL
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341. BahaHurican
10:59 AM EST on December 22, 2007
333. rmh9903 10:53 AM EST on December 22, 2007
I love this site but am noticing a very rapid and somewhat disturbing change.... It is becoming more of a political forum for global warming and less about weather. Perhaps the should be a new site created by those that support this global warming stuff and leave this site strickly to weather forcasting?


Sorry about the "politicking", rmh. We're on Christmas break LOL.

ON a more serious note, keep in mind that the topic of the current blog does involve this very issue, and I am patting the entire blog on the back because we are actually having a CIVILIZED discussion about it, instead of screaming about right and wrong (I figure a few narky comments about key figures in the debate are allowed :o) Additionally, the conversation we are having is actually, though indirectly, commenting about and referencing weather. We haven't completely lost our thread. And finally, there's not a HUGE amount going on weather-wise so far today. Trust me, we don't need much to move us back . . .
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340. latitude25
10:55 AM EST on December 22, 2007
No, this is clearly IMPLIED by the article. If it was stated, it would have said "We blame climate change".

you decide

Link

Aided by global warming and globalization, Castiglione Di Cervia has the dubious distinction of playing host to the first outbreak in modern Europe of a disease that had previously been seen only in the tropics.
The epidemic proved that tropical viruses are now able to spread in new areas
Climate change creates conditions that make it easier for this mosquito to survive
It is not something a crazy environmentalist is warning about
steadily north as temperatures have risen

With climate change upon us, said Bertollini, the WHO official, Chikungunya will surely be back somewhere in Europe again.

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339. BahaHurican
10:51 AM EST on December 22, 2007
328. latitude25 10:43 AM EST on December 22, 2007
Agreed. However, that these mosquitos now regularly inhabit areas where they were never before found

You mean like african honey bees
which come from the exact same climate that we have here.
and regularly inhabit areas where they were never before
until they were introduced


Exactly. I think it's way past the time for assuming that "it will all work out". People - collectively and individually - need to think more about how their actions will impact others around them and the planet as a whole. I know I'm being rather "pie in the sky" about this, but as long as governments and individuals continue to act as if they can do whatever they want without consequence, we will continue to see an escalation in these potentially problematic scenarios.
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337. sebastianjer
10:56 AM EST on December 22, 2007
Dr M
Injected this into his blog himself

When using Dr. Masters' blog, please refrain from posting material not relevant to the discussion of tropical weather, or the topic of the blog entry itself.
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336. Weather456
11:37 AM AST on December 22, 2007
NORTHWEST ATLANTIC OCEAN WEST OF 50W....

A well-define, shallow and vertically stacked occluded cyclone is centered near 30.5N/70W based on infrared and visible imagery. Sinking dry air to the west of the low associated the cyclone dry slot. This stable air extends all the way to the Southeast United States but mostly exists in the mid-upper levels based on various skew-t charts from Jacksonville, FL and Charleston, SC. Meanwhile, typical synoptic scale rising motion ahead of the low resulting in rather vigorous showers and thunderstorms as suggested by lightning data. The associated cold front arches southwestward to Western Cuba through 27N/70W and the Central Bahamas at 22N/75W. This feature is engulfed by the very persistent dry slot of this low and the only indicators of the front is little lines of frontal rope structures. Elsewhere across the forecast area remains fair to partly cloudy with little shower activity.



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335. Patrap
9:53 AM CST on December 22, 2007
wunderground's "Climate" Page from the Top Menu...Link
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334. lindenii
3:54 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
321. BahaHurican 3:11 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
Again, we need to take better care of the Earth in many more ways than attempting to avoid global warming.


Four Gold Stars for you BahaHurican.

I wonder how many on this blog are squirming after reading those words.

Here are a few questions for the hypocritical ManMade Global Warming wonks.

Do you own a pleasure boat? How many gallons to the mile does it get. Yes, I said Gallons/Mile. If it gets anywhere near gallons per mile...prove your commitment to ending manmade global warming by dumping that boat today.

Do any of you own a multi-engine plane. Doesn't it bother you that you are sending all that pollution into the air at great altitude? Prove your commitment to ending manmade global warming by dumping that aircraft today.

Any of you own a motorhome. Talk about a gas hog and pollution machine. Doesn't it bother you that your use of that vehicle pollutes OUR air so that you can travel where you will? Prove your commitment to ending manmade global warming by dumping that motorhome today.

Get the picture? Man-Made Global Warming is a hypocritical fraud being foisted upon us all so that a few can line their pockets with gold. Global warming is happening and it is NATURAL...time to begin adapting...I am.

333. rmh9903
3:50 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
I love this site but am noticing a very rapid and somewhat disturbing change.... It is becoming more of a political forum for global warming and less about weather. Perhaps the should be a new site created by those that support this global warming stuff and leave this site strickly to weather forcasting?
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332. sebastianjer
10:50 AM EST on December 22, 2007
Baha
Actually historically warmer temperatures have always been more beneficial to mankind than detrimental. Which if you really gave it serious thought makes sense. Here is a nice read on the benefits.
Link
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331. BahaHurican
10:45 AM EST on December 22, 2007
323. latitude25 10:12 AM EST on December 22, 2007

No, what is clearly stated in the article is that they are trying to blame climate change.


No, this is clearly IMPLIED by the article. If it was stated, it would have said "We blame climate change".

Keep in mind that the bulk of what we "read" in these articles is "connect the dots" implication. Most writers seem unable to simply state the facts anymore. (That's assuming they ever did in the first place . . . LOL)
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330. BahaHurican
10:39 AM EST on December 22, 2007
I've been thinking about that reference in Dr. M's commentary to the Norse settlements on Greenland about 1000 years ago. I'm curious now about what else was going on in other parts of the world at the time. Isn't that about the same period when Mayan civilization began to go through some major transformations? I remember some reports attributing that civilization's decline to major changes in weather patterns. Could there have been some other events between 400 and 800 AD that lead to a dramatically warmer Northern North America? Increased hurricanes across Central America? A drought regimen in other parts of the world that caused massive population shifts? What about Chinese weather records for the same period? (I can't believe they didn't have ANY.)

In some ways we are remarkably ignorant about what has happened on our planet.
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329. rmh9903
3:45 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
How does this prove the Ice Sheet is in danager? If you ask me this disproves it and shows more proof that "Global Warming" is a farce and is a natural cycle. And I still think that many tests and data are screwed with by wacko's like Al Gore.

"The Greenland ice sheet has experienced conditions as warm as those today in the past. Lowell et al. (2007) found organic remains in eastern Greenland that had just been exposed by melting ice, and dated these remains at between A.D. 800 to 1014. Thus, this portion of Greenland was ice-free about 1000 years ago, and temperatures were presumably similar to today's. Erik the Red took advantage of this warm period to establish the first Norse settlements in Greenland around 950 A.D. However, the climate cooled after 1200 A.D., and the Norse settlements disappeared by 1550.
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328. latitude25
10:40 AM EST on December 22, 2007
Agreed. However, that these mosquitos now regularly inhabit areas where they were never before found

You mean like african honey bees
which come from the exact same climate that we have here.
and regularly inhabit areas where they were never before
until they were introduced
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327. BahaHurican
10:11 AM EST on December 22, 2007
296. vortfix 9:14 AM EST on December 22, 2007

The presence of a tropical disease in a non-tropical area doesn't mean it was caused by Global Warming.


Agreed. However, that these mosquitos now regularly inhabit areas where they were never before found suggests that favorable growth periods in that area do exist. Was this the case 50 years ago? 100?

The bigger lesson here is that what we do in one part of the world impacts people in other parts. Understanding ENSO is one meteorological way of grasping this point; now we need to grasp it from a more sociological perspective.

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326. Weather456
11:35 AM AST on December 22, 2007
Gulf of Mexico.....

Showers and cloudiness extends from Northeast Mexico at 24N/100W...across Coastal Texas and into Louisiana and the Southeast United States. Surface and upper air observations indicated that this activity is associated with onshore flow generated by a surface low over Arkansas, along with divergence ahead of an approaching upper trough over the Eastern Rockies. A frontal boundary extends across the Gulf of Mexico from Coastal Texas along 25N/90W 22N/82W. This feature is embedded within an abundant mid-upper level dry air environment and thus showers remains non-existent with only few scattered clouds seen at the surface. Surface observations revealed overcast skies at low levels ranging from 60 ft to 800 ft indicating low stratus or fog. This continues to be enhanced by cool stable advection induced by an occluded cyclone over the Western Atlantic and a high over the Northwest Atlantic.



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325. latitude25
10:28 AM EST on December 22, 2007
Another EU directive commits us to deriving 10 per cent of our transport fuel from "biofuels" by 2020. This would take up pretty well all the farmland we currently use to grow food (at a time when world grain prices have doubled in six months and we are already face a global food shortage).

This is something that really worries me.

At the same time that one branch of the UN is calling for bio-fuels
another branch of the UN is calling a world wide food shortage on cereal foods because of the diversion of those cereals to bio-fuel.

Then our new law requires a five fold increase in cereal derived bio-fuel.

We have no extra corn.

A five fold increase will mean a five fold increase in land to grow it, five fold increase in water, fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, etc.

At the same time that nitrogen in run-off from corn and cereal farms, is being blamed for the huge dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico from the Mississippi river.


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324. lindenii
3:16 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
Global Warming is MANMADE..how dare any of us suggest otherwise.
Are our current weather models constructed using the mindset described in the following article?
A few elitist know-it all's deciding what is the truth shall be...shunning those who would disagree. Sure would seem so.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/25/nbook125.xml

We are set on a course of 'planet saving' madness

The scare over global warming, and our politicians' response to it, is becoming ever more bizarre. On the one hand we have the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change coming up with yet another of its notoriously politicised reports, hyping up the scare by claiming that world surface temperatures have been higher in 11 of the past 12 years (1995-2006) than ever previously recorded.

This carefully ignores the latest US satellite figures showing temperatures having fallen since 1998, declining in 2007 to a 1983 level - not to mention the newly revised figures for US surface temperatures showing that the 1930s had four of the 10 warmest years of the past century, with the hottest year of all being not 1998, as was previously claimed, but 1934.

On the other hand, we had Gordon Brown last week, in his "first major speech on climate change", airily committing his own and future governments to achieving a 60 per cent reduction in carbon emissions by 2050 - which is rather like prime minister Salisbury at the end of Queen Victoria's reign trying to commit Winston Churchill's government to achieving some wholly impossible goal in the middle of the Second World War.

Mr Brown's only concrete proposal for reaching this absurd target seems to be his plan to ban plastic bags, whatever they have to do with global warming (while his government also plans a near-doubling of flights out of Heathrow).

But of course he is no longer his own master in such fantasy exercises. Few people have yet really taken on board the mind-blowing scale of all the "planet-saving" measures to which we are now committed by the European Union.

By 2020 we will have to generate 20 per cent of our electricity from "renewables". At present the figure is four per cent (most of it generated by hydro-electric schemes and methane gas from landfill).

As Whitehall officials privately briefed ministers in August, there is no way Britain can begin to meet such a fanciful target (even if the Government manages to ram through another 30,000 largely useless wind turbines).

Another EU directive commits us to deriving 10 per cent of our transport fuel from "biofuels" by 2020. This would take up pretty well all the farmland we currently use to grow food (at a time when world grain prices have doubled in six months and we are already face a global food shortage).

Then by 2009, thanks to a mad gesture by Mr Blair and his EU colleagues last March, we also face the prospect of a total ban on incandescent light bulbs.

This compulsory switch to low-energy bulbs, apart from condemning us to live in uglier homes under eye-straining light, is in practice completely out of the question, because, according to our Government's own figures, more than half Britain's domestic light fittings cannot take them.

This year will be remembered for two things.

First, it was the year when the scientific data showed that the cosmic scare over global warming may well turn out to be just that - yet another vastly inflated scare.

Second, it was the year when the hysteria generated by all the bogus science behind this scare finally drove those who rule over us, including Gordon "Plastic Bags" Brown, wholly out of their wits.

...

Schools minister neglects homework

Desmond Swayne, MP for New Forest West, tells me of a fearful problem affecting Hampshire schools, which have been told by the county education officer, Ian Beacham, that under new rules teachers must no longer drive pupils in mini-buses unless they have a full "passenger vehicle licence" - "a huge and expensive undertaking which entitles them to drive a coach or bus".

Threatening many extra-curricular activities, such as away sporting fixtures, this is causing such grief that Mr Swayne has asked in Parliament whether it is right that teachers should be forbidden to drive children in this way.

Schools minister Jim Knight didn't know the answer but said he would look into it. Harriet Harman, Leader of the House, suggested that Mr Swayne should move for a debate on the issue.

Had those ministers or Hampshire's education officer learned to use Google, they might have found in seconds that this is all a fuss about nothing. The two relevant EU directives on driving licences, 91/439 and 2003/59, make clear that teachers are exempted from the licensing requirements, as does a leaflet available at the click of a mouse on the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency website.

But does it not say something about the way we now allow our laws to be made in Brussels that neither ministers nor a council official responsible for enforcing them appear to know what those laws say?
323. latitude25
10:07 AM EST on December 22, 2007
My point is that a warming climate in Europe allows for the spread of a Tropical disease previously unknown in this area. This is clearly stated in the article

No, what is clearly stated in the article is that they are trying to blame climate change.
For and introduced species, that can live in cold mountainous areas.

We have them introduced to this country too. Along with fire ants and giant cockroaches.
African honey bees did not slowly spread across this country because of climate change. They slowy spread, simply because that was as fast as they could do it.

"Tiger mosquitos first came to southern Italy with shipments of tires imported from Albania about a decade ago but have expanded their habitat steadily north as temperatures have risen."

"The tiger mosquito, which first arrived in Ravenna three years ago"

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322. Patrap
9:10 AM CST on December 22, 2007


Cumulative number of snow melting days over the Greenland ice sheet between 1988 and 2006 from satellite observations
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321. BahaHurican
10:00 AM EST on December 22, 2007
293. sydneyaust1 8:55 AM EST on December 22, 2007
Global Warming Is Destroying Coral Reefs, Major Study Warns

Coral reefs world-wide have been endangered for decades for a variety of reasons. I know many local efforts have had to been made to secure them from long-line fishing, bleaching, and other malpractices, especially from non-native fishermen who were attempting to exploit Bahamian waters for extensive commercial fishing and were therefore not concerned about the tourist and meteorological value of coral reefs.

Again, we need to take better care of the Earth in many more ways than attempting to avoid global warming.
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318. sydneyaust1
3:05 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
No Probs BahaHurricane I thought the Chasers on here would find it interesting.

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317. hydrus
3:03 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
Put both of those factors together and it adds up to a faster ustatic rise in the worlds oceans.
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316. BahaHurican
9:51 AM EST on December 22, 2007
290. sydneyaust1 8:41 AM EST on December 22, 2007
SAHARAN DUST HAS CHILLING EFFECT ON NORTH ATLANTIC


Thanks for the link, Syd. This was pretty interesting, and supports a theory that somebody around here - was it pottery? - was pushing pretty strongly.
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314. hydrus
2:26 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
I believe there 2 major factors with global warming, number 1 The earth is going through a warming phase and this process is part of the earth,s natural cycle.Number 2 The huge wipe out of rain forests and tremendous amounts of man made pollution.
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313. Patrap
8:52 AM CST on December 22, 2007
We all react differently to Bad tidings. For some ..its reflex based on Biases already formulated from Upbringing..or ones own deep beliefs. But its the Political posturing that some find solitude in with this subject matter.

Ands thats cool too..It dont change the Facts or Planetary condition,but it reassures the self that all is well...and will remain so.
Or Not?

Merry Xmas to you and yours. Pat
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312. sydneyaust1
2:42 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
My point is that a warming climate in Europe allows for the spread of a Tropical disease previously unknown in this area. This is clearly stated in the article -

This species is able to survive in a wide range of habitats and conditions, including cold mountainous areas.

Refers to the mosquito and not the disease. The article also points out that the warmer climate has lead to a far greater number of these Mosquitos in this area. It is also stated that although cases have occurred in France there was no epidemic because -

But the disease has never spread in France, because the mosquito could not thrive there.
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311. BahaHurican
9:46 AM EST on December 22, 2007
273. sp34n119w 12:48 AM EST on December 22, 2007

Hey, there's plenty of good science being done that calls into question the effect of man on climate change and it will and should continue. Nobody has to resort to promulgating crap like the Oregon Petition to make that point.


I am amazed by the lengths to which people on both sides of this issue have gone to polarize the public view of this issue. Maybe the issue seems so world threatening in so many different ways that it makes everyone feel desperate.
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310. Patrap
8:51 AM CST on December 22, 2007
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308. BahaHurican
9:45 AM EST on December 22, 2007
OH and good morning to everyone . . .
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307. BahaHurican
9:33 AM EST on December 22, 2007
271. moonlightcowboy 12:22 AM EST on December 22, 2007
......

...makes you wonder if the planet knows this and is self-correcting?


This reminds me of something I read (forget where) that compares the presense of humanity on earth to some malignant virus infecting the planet. Eventually Gaia will sneeze, or some serious antibodies will come out to wipe us out, or Earth will die from us.
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306. sebastianjer
9:42 AM EST on December 22, 2007

285. AugustFalcon 8:18 AM EST on December 22, 2007 Hide this comment.
Re: #244 sebastianjer
"By the way, I have asked this before, I can't find the answer, how many countries decreased CO2 emissions in 2006? If anyone knows or knows where to look I'd appreciate it."

Here is a link to a table showing some info through 2004. The U.S. Statistical Abstract 2008 has some U.S. figures which are more up to date.

The Census Bureau may also have updated the table or the sources underlying it. Haven't checked.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/tables/08s1314.xls


Morning all:
Thanks August Falcon, but I was wondering about 2006, for a couple of reasons.

1) if co2 emissions is the single most important issue facing mankind then the monitoring of it ought to be pretty important. I realize that they monitor it very closely on a world wide scale, but if the goal is to lower it in individual countries, then shouldn't they have some sort of score card on how countries are doing?

2) As I understand it, now that Australia has signed the Kyoto Protocol, the US is the only one who has not signed it, or at least the only of the so called developed countries. I was curious at how we stack up against all these countries that have agreed to reduce CO2, considering that we reduced ours by 1.3 % in 2006, which follows a .05% increase in 2005. Now if we are doing this without signing the thing and the rest of the world is increasing CO2 emissions by signing the thing, well, what's up with that?
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304. latitude25
9:39 AM EST on December 22, 2007
LOL......I figured you would pick up on that Lat!

LOL when these people stop attributing all these things that have absolutely nothing to do with climate change - to climate change

They might get a little credibility.

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303. latitude25
9:38 AM EST on December 22, 2007
is the real point.

and you totally missed it

This species is able to survive in a wide range of habitats and conditions, including cold mountainous areas.
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302. sydneyaust1
2:25 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
Thanks Latitude25 - I stand corrected about the transmission

...and...

Chikungunya traveled to Italy in his blood, but climatic conditions are now such that it can spread and find a home here.

is the real point.
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300. Patrap
8:28 AM CST on December 22, 2007
..You are ahead by a Century Link
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299. latitude25
9:24 AM EST on December 22, 2007
you've got to love this crock of bull

, but climatic conditions are now such that it can spread and find a home here

This species is able to survive in a wide range of habitats and conditions, including cold mountainous areas.
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298. sydneyaust1
2:18 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
Yes Vortfix - I take your point - it is far from conclusive - either way

Are you in the "No Global Warming" or the "global Warming but not man made" position?

I currently believe in man made Global Warming but also study the skeptics point of view also and currently believe there is no way mankind will get it's act together to do anything about it anyway.
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297. latitude25
9:17 AM EST on December 22, 2007
It should be noted though that these Mosquitos were transmitting a Tropical Disease though and this suggests that these had possibly migrated from warmer climates to the south.

No, it suggests that a person migrated from a warmer climate, carried the disease there, and a mosquito bit him and transmitted it.

"Chikungunya is spread when tiger mosquitos drink blood from an infected person and - if conditions are right - pass the virus on when they bite again. Tiger mosquitos first came to southern Italy with shipments of tires imported from Albania about a decade ago but have expanded their habitat steadily north as temperatures have risen. They now exist in Corsica and southern France as well.

But the doctors were baffled by how Chikungunya made its way into mosquitos in northern Italy since no one in Castiglione Di Cervia had been abroad. In the past two years France (especially Paris) has had a number of "imported" Chikungunya cases, in travelers returning from R?ion. But the disease has never spread in France, because the mosquito could not thrive there.

Eventually investigators discovered a link: One of the first men to fall ill in Castiglione Di Cervia had been visited by a feverish relative in early July. That relative, an Italian, had previously traveled to Kerala, India. Chikungunya traveled to Italy in his blood, but climatic conditions are now such that it can spread and find a home here."
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295. sydneyaust1
2:04 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
This species is able to survive in a wide range of habitats and conditions, including cold mountainous areas. It is generally more aggressive than indigenous mosquitoes, and is outcompeting them. The asian tiger mosquito has a rapid bite that allows it to escape most attempts by people to swat it.

It should be noted though that these Mosquitos were transmitting a Tropical Disease though and this suggests that these had possibly migrated from warmer climates to the south.
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294. sydneyaust1
1:54 PM GMT on December 22, 2007
Great selection of articles about Greenland Ice Sheet

Heat From Earth's Magma Contributing To Melting Of Greenland Ice

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and many thanks to Vortfix on the Mosquito information
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