Katrina a tropical depression

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 9:54 PM GMT on August 30, 2005

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Just a quick update on the current state of tropics for now. The incredible stories of Katrina's devastation playing on the news now leave me stunned, and my heart goes out to all the victims and their loved ones.

Katrina now
Katrina is a tropical depression, racing northeastward through Indiana and Ohio at 27 mph, and will be gone tomorrow. No major flooding due to Katrina's rains is occurring in the areas north of the coastal devastation zone. The flooding and rains associated with Katrina's second landfall have been fairly low for a major hurricane, since the storm has been moving quickly and the soils the rain have been falling on are not saturated from previous storms. Katrina should continue to produce rain amounts in the 2-4 inch range for the rest of its track, which should only cause localized flooding problems. A few tornadoes are still possible. So far, Katrina has produced two damaging tornadoes in Georgia, one in the tourist town of Helen that ripped the roof off of an Econolodge.

Figure 1.Total estimated precipication from Katrina from the Mobile radar. Maximum amounts were in the 8-12 inch range. Data from 6 NWS radar sites is still not available, due to the failure of over 100 fiber lines in Louisiana and Mississippi. No repair date is available.

What's behind Katrina
We are watching two areas in the Atlantic that may become tropical depressions in the next day or two, but neither are expected to be a threat to land. Tropical Depression 13 dissipated yesterday, but is looking more organized and may regenerate. If it does regenerate, this system is probably only a threat to Bermuda. Another strong tropical low pressure area is midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands. This low has a large circulation and a small amount of deep convection trying to build over it. The low has some modest wind shear it is fighting, and a large area of dry, dust-laden air surrounding it. The dry air and shear will probably keep the low from developing into a depression today, but the shear may lessen enough tomorrow to let a depression form. If the low does develop, the early track models forecast the system to track northwestward over the open Atlantic Ocean and not threaten land.

Dr. Jeff Masters

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920. Orleans77
4:29 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Rain Dancer -- I provide news as a service to this blog and have at times had my sources questioned to only have them confirmed by others ..have been asked by many to provide info as i find it and not to respond to questions about sourcing...
919. cgableshurrycanegal
12:30 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
damn, orleans, sorry to hear that. putting out positive thoughts for him, along with all the others
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918. cgableshurrycanegal
12:28 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
military taking over trying to salvage NO. as in levees, handling distribution of supplies, patrolling the streets, no local or state agency is big enough to handle it alone.
4 ships are leaving norfolk today to stand-off-shore with more supplies and equipment
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917. Orleans77
4:28 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
gable..--referring to a friend of mine who remained in orleans

hotels - baton rogue and throuh out LA
916. kerigangirl
4:25 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Yea stormydee... the air is grim. That's why I'm wondering about StormTop. Surely he got it b4 the flooding.

Ps> Best place to live - Roanoke
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915. notwithoutmyprosac
4:24 PM GMT on August 31, 2005

Watch out here I come! Florida is HHHOOTTTT! Snakes, gators, not even going to mention the H word.
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914. cgableshurrycanegal
12:27 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
read earlier in skimming that a stormy was critical but alive and taken to hospital in birmingham
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913. cgableshurrycanegal
12:25 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
where are these hotels? surely not in NO...
and nowhere in the affected region is life going to be normal and that inc's Astrodome and Houston this weekend.
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912. raindancer
4:25 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Quick question...

Where are you getting the info that the military has "taken over"...? I don't see anything mentioned on any of the major news sites.
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911. Orleans77
4:26 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
whats ur question gable?
910. Orleans77
4:25 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
water is risinbg...house on "high ground" now are threatened...
909. Orleans77
4:24 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
thks stormy
908. EllistonVA
4:21 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
sorry, just too depressed to not try and throw a bit of humor in.
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907. cgableshurrycanegal
12:23 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
the only way to get a handle on the NO situation RIGHT NOW is thru military intervention, it's the only gov branch with infrastructure already in place to do it. Would be completely inappropriate action anywhere else in Kat path as states can oversee the amount of destruction and reconstruction. But NO is unique case in point if it is to be salvaged at all
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906. Orleans77
4:21 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Hotels are trying to kick out refugees saying their reservations have run out ..Attorney General is going to get Gov to sign an emergency order to require hotels to allow refugees to stay even if they can not pay rather than clearing them out for previous reservstions that probaly will not show up anyways ..as in reservations for this weekends game that will not happen
905. stormydee
4:20 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
No I was working hard yesterday, and pretty much today. My heart is broken for all those out there. I am so sorry for your friend, 77, but he is alive and I will pray for him and all others. I will check in and out but don't have much to say, the air is just too grim....
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904. cgableshurrycanegal
12:21 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
orleans -
which stormy? what source of news?
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903. Orleans77
4:20 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
now that the govt is in charge you will quickly see the situation stabalize...US has created a joint command task force for NO Gulf Coast to handle evac, search and recovery...first tim ein history that this has been done on US Soil
902. EllistonVA
4:14 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
I live in the mountains in Southwest VA:

-No tornados
-Only little leftovers from hurricanes
-Not far enough south to have any more snakes or spiders than NY.
-Cheap gas, cheap taxes

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901. Orleans77
4:18 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
All Texas Schools will allow refugees to register their kids in their schools...also State of TX will create a registry of families in TX that are willing to take in refugees..--
900. cgableshurrycanegal
12:18 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
only gov agency w/resources to save NO is military so they might as well run it. take over, put looters out of their misery. I can see taking food, water and diapers, but electronics and tvs?
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899. kerigangirl
4:12 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
AP is reporting that NOLA Gov says no choice but to abandon city. Choppers having more problems with the sandbags.

It's like a movie except the writers couldn't have scripted the situation. Has anyone heard anything from StormTop?
Good to have you back stormydee. U must have played hooky yesterday.
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898. Orleans77
4:14 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
david i think its the best news since this thing started..im ex millitary..and im sorry but the complete breakdown really calls for this..had the mayor maneged this situation better than this would not have been necessary...i think even the gov lost faith in the mayor when she said yesterday that we need the Federal Govt to step in...

Also, apprantly the President wants to visit the region but may wait because he does not want his visit to get in the way of rescue efforts due to the tremendous security required for him to visit--smart move ..
897. cgableshurrycanegal
12:14 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
hi all, just coming on.
stormy critical but alive? which?
paid $2.899 MIA for reg gas an hour ago
glad to note that squam is in school
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896. EllistonVA
4:08 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
I am honestly happy that the military is in charge. They are used to dealing with large scale operations and logistics. A mayor is a political figure, he just has no experience to be able to deal with this. Let the people with the training get in there.
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895. davidintlh
4:09 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
it's good news that someone besides the mayor is in charge now. assuming 77 is correct that the military is actually superseding civilian authroity, this represents a major societal breakdown there-- that kind of supercession (is that the right word?) didn't even take place after andrew. so just by getting the mayor out of the way they have improved their prospects.

of course the last federal military commander of new orleans was general butler in the 1860's, when they had a spot of trouble with the civilian authorities then too...

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894. oriondarkwood
12:11 PM EDT on August 31, 2005

I agree but is the price to pay for no snakes, only one dangerous spider (brown recluse and its rare to see one), rare chance of torondo's and NO HURRICANES (GRIN).

Also gas is only $2.65 here, pricey but not the most expensive in the land
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893. Orleans77
4:10 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Updates as they come in on Katrina

10:57 AM CDT on Wednesday, August 31, 2005

Tom Planchet

10:58 A.M. - (AP) The New Orleans International Airport has reopened to allow humanitarian flights in and out, officials said Wednesday.

10:55 A.M. - (AP) The Dallas school district says it'll enroll in district schools the children of any Hurricane Katrina refugees that ask for it.

10:52 A.M. - (AP) Every branch of the U.S. military is involved in the rescue-and-relief mission following Hurricane Katrina. The U.S. Northern Command is coordinating search and rescue, medical help and supplies. The work will support the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.

10:14 A.M. - WWL-TV: Governor Blanco confirms plans to move evacuees to the Houston Astrodome. Blanco said she remains in contact with the White House, and has asked for a military presence in New Orleans, adding it was important to stabilize things as soon as possible. Buses are on their way to the Superdome to remove the evacuees.

10:06 A.M. - WWL-TV: Gas prices expected to rise by as much as $1.10 by this weekend.
892. Orleans77
4:05 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
millitary orders went out this morning for activation of 130,000 national guard units across the US...

11,000 coast guard retirees have been re-activated and called out of retirement

all millitary leaves in CONUS cancelled for 30 days
891. Orleans77
4:04 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
i agree 100% 53..and NO can be rebuilt on the coast w/out having to be in a bowl
890. Orleans77
4:02 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
alos...i guess the mayor is pissed that the millitary is now in charge..he just release a statement that he is "still in charge" -- apparently he does not realize that federal supersedes local.. -- probably did not help that he criticized federal army core of engineers yesterday...
889. Orleans77
4:00 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
i guess only time will gator,,,the other problem according to FEMA is that the fill that NO is built on is soft fill...and all that water may SO undermined the citys foundation that it may be inpossible to rebuild..as they said the feds are going to have to do a substantial asessment before they clear the city for rebuilding...
888. 53rdWeatherRECON
3:48 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
If New Orleans is to be pumped out and levees rebuilt it will take TRILLIONS of dollars. The contamination alone. The mold will envelope every structure. They will not be able to kill all the mold in an entire city. All structures that are in water for days will be condemed. This disaster is like a biological weapon taking out a Major US city.

And if you feel you wont be affected think again. Lt. Gov. Toni Jennings said Tuesday that the state has enough petroleum in storage now, but warned that some stations may not be able to easily get more if they run out soon. Jennings urged people to use gas carefully.

"For the next couple of weeks we need to think about where we go, we don't need to make idle trips," Jennings said. "Please plan your next week carefully-"Orlando Sentinal.com
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887. EllistonVA
3:59 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
NY - high gas prices, high taxes, cold weather...just 3 of the reasons I now live in VA instead of upstate NY.
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886. Gatorbait05
3:55 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
I believe, no matter what the risk is, New Orleans will be rebuilt where it is, maybe not to the size or with the density, but it is the LARGEST port in the Southeastern United States and deals with most imports and exports from the South American Countries. Too much money is tied up there.

Yes, there is a lot of risk with rebuilding, but the cost of moving the city inland and losing possible ports FAR EXCEEDS the cost of this hurricane's damage. Its sad, but true.
885. EllistonVA
3:56 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Paid $2.35 this morning for gas but saw as high as $2.89 on the way home.
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884. Orleans77
3:55 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
NY tends to ne higher anyways..plus we get most of out gas from NO...NO area provides most of the gas for GA, Northeast and Mid West
883. Gatorbait05
3:50 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Paid 2.65 this morning in Dayton, OH.
882. Orleans77
3:50 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
also just off the wires...Director of Homeland Security...NO ONE WILL be allowed to return to NO for 3 mos...US GOVT will do an asessmant of what is required to rebuild NO and whether it is prudent and safe to do so...he does not rule out rebuiilding elsewhere...WOW

Estimate now at 47 Billion in damage
881. Orleans77
3:49 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
yes Stormy..criticall injured but alive ...he was airlifted to birmingham last night...
880. CarolinaGuy
11:48 AM EDT on August 31, 2005
lol, I was thinkin weatherguy...1.58..I'm movin NOW!
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879. Orleans77
3:46 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
this will be the largest evac in history of US..

also just in on the wires...

NO is now a closed millitary...first time in US History this statue has been invoked...The Mayor of NO and City Municipality of NO is in effect no longer in charge; the local Millitary Commander is now in command of NO...

Amrstrong Airport is now open by millitary for humanitarian / ,illitary flights...this is EXCELLENT NEWS....
878. weatherguy03
3:47 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
OOPs meant 2.58...I wish 1.58..lol..
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877. weatherguy03
3:46 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Wow still only paying 1.58 here in Florida, I must be lucky then. Oil moving down today now that president released reserves.
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876. stormydee
3:45 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
hey 77, haven't had a chance to go thru all the blogs, did you find your friend?
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875. ear12603
3:37 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
I see in the SunHerald that bodies are being taken to the Harrison county coroner's office & funeral homes around that area. Does anyone know that location and if it's able to communicate? My people were on Menge Ave and I believe that's West Pass Christian, which the article indicates was hit hardest. I can't get info from Red Cross on where to go or how to go about identifying someone.
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874. Gatorbait05
3:43 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
435 buses will be used, that should be able to carry everyone out of the Superdome (reporting closer to 14,000 than the 30+ that they said yesterday) , plus those who are still straggling in the city. Although the city has suffered large amounts of harm we should be able to get these people out safely.
873. Orleans77
3:45 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
paid $ 3.35 for a gallong of gas this morning..--upp 66 cents in three days
872. davidintlh
3:40 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
stirfry- it probably IS a better solution in the long run-- i suppose you're suggesting they bring in fill or rip rap, and rebuild on top of the that, rework the levee system, etc.

the question is whether they will have the political will to do that over time and not to turn it into another public works boondoggle. la is, sadly, famous for its corruption and i wonder if they could put together a massive project like what you described. i don't think i've ever heard of seattle or washington state as "bad government" (as opposed to "good government") entities. but remember in no a few years ago in ond of their scandals they had police officers moonlighting as hitmen.
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871. SEFL
3:41 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
The US and England were the only countried responding to the Russians, and it wasn't overnight. So far Germany, Australia, Canada and England have responded with search and rescue assistance.
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870. Orleans77
3:43 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Nat Guard is taking over from police ..will be patroling the streets of NO, which is as of 10 min ago under a full millitary martial law

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