Katrina a tropical depression

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 9:54 PM GMT on August 30, 2005

Just a quick update on the current state of tropics for now. The incredible stories of Katrina's devastation playing on the news now leave me stunned, and my heart goes out to all the victims and their loved ones.

Katrina now
Katrina is a tropical depression, racing northeastward through Indiana and Ohio at 27 mph, and will be gone tomorrow. No major flooding due to Katrina's rains is occurring in the areas north of the coastal devastation zone. The flooding and rains associated with Katrina's second landfall have been fairly low for a major hurricane, since the storm has been moving quickly and the soils the rain have been falling on are not saturated from previous storms. Katrina should continue to produce rain amounts in the 2-4 inch range for the rest of its track, which should only cause localized flooding problems. A few tornadoes are still possible. So far, Katrina has produced two damaging tornadoes in Georgia, one in the tourist town of Helen that ripped the roof off of an Econolodge.

Figure 1.Total estimated precipication from Katrina from the Mobile radar. Maximum amounts were in the 8-12 inch range. Data from 6 NWS radar sites is still not available, due to the failure of over 100 fiber lines in Louisiana and Mississippi. No repair date is available.

What's behind Katrina
We are watching two areas in the Atlantic that may become tropical depressions in the next day or two, but neither are expected to be a threat to land. Tropical Depression 13 dissipated yesterday, but is looking more organized and may regenerate. If it does regenerate, this system is probably only a threat to Bermuda. Another strong tropical low pressure area is midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands. This low has a large circulation and a small amount of deep convection trying to build over it. The low has some modest wind shear it is fighting, and a large area of dry, dust-laden air surrounding it. The dry air and shear will probably keep the low from developing into a depression today, but the shear may lessen enough tomorrow to let a depression form. If the low does develop, the early track models forecast the system to track northwestward over the open Atlantic Ocean and not threaten land.

Dr. Jeff Masters

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970. leftyy420
5:17 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
i have no clue casue those radra sites are still down
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969. kerigangirl
5:11 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Ditto on your last post Eliston. I can't believe that the "major" networks aren't keeping coverage on. Not to lessen 911, but this is the worst natural disaster in US history.

Anyone know if it's storming in NOLA? Looks pretty bad in SE bama and central miss.
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968. leftyy420
5:12 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
no hurricane is a breeze by any stretch specialy a major hurricen. the problem with this storm was the extent, how mocyuh area was affected. its not just one town or one state. its all these towns and major cities.

it will be atleast a year befor some people will be able to come back to no. just a tragedy
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967. jeff14photos
10:11 AM PDT on August 31, 2005
lefty get signed on yet huh
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966. davidintlh
5:08 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
i never meant to imply it was a coup. clearly it is not. the feds/military seem to be the only competent ones in nola. which is a commentary in itself. that's the point i was making.

btw, the water from ivan didn't go away in a few hours. it wasn't like no by any stretch of the imagination, but ivan wasn't a dry storm.
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965. oriondarkwood
1:04 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
The sad part is alot of people despite what they are hearing think (and some are trying) they will be able to come back to thier dwellings in a couple of more days. Until the leeves are repaired and all the water pumped out most of NO will still be off limits. I think it will be almost winter before people are allowed in the hardest hit areas.

As far as the dwellings themselves, the structure will be sound but most if not all will have to be stripped to that depth if not totally demolished because between the heat, the mold, the critters, the chemicals the dwellings will not be fit for human habition

Lastly as far as the looters, I can see looting a building for supplies but the wholesale looting that is going on is going to hamper rescue efforts in the near term (ie cops/miltary having to chase looters instead of save people) and it will have a impact far into the future as in the owners of those stores will have to file for insurcane and/or pay out of pocket for what was stolen. Actually I wonder if some people purposely stayed for that purpose?
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964. jeff14photos
10:09 AM PDT on August 31, 2005
not much just being a blog addict ha ha
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963. EllistonVA
5:02 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
I think someone should give the folks on WWLTV a medal. They are going to need some serious therapy after this. Normally the media annoys me for sensationalizing things but these guys have been on the air almost non-stop giving out every scrap of info they can get trying to help as much as they can. They are really starting to show some signs of strain and I hope they will be OK after this.
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962. leftyy420
5:07 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
wassup jeff
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961. leftyy420
5:05 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
bret said he didn'tknow about some of his family but he assumes they survived. hes talked to his mom like twice for a few seconds than he made the statement that it could be 3-4months befor power is back and along the gulf coast they will have to bulldoze the whole area and rebuild from scratch
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960. jeff14photos
10:05 AM PDT on August 31, 2005
hey lefty hows it going
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959. leftyy420
5:02 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
bret was saying his family lives about a 1/2 mils north of I-10, his cousin and borthers house is gone but all his family survived. he was talking bout how no one has any food, they can't get gas for their generators. it was just the reality and than he said it doesn't matter who u are or how famous or how much money. we all in it together and people need to give,moeny,food,water,generators .
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958. weatherguy03
5:01 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Its like a grand entrance he makes all the time..lol..Oh well. What can you do.
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957. oriondarkwood
12:53 PM EDT on August 31, 2005

Email my wunderground account if you can on where you live, so I can put it on the short list of places to bail cause the upstate NY IT biz is getting about as dicey as a back alley game of craps. And yea I know about the bagels (pats ample spare tire), got addicted to them in Toronto Ontario (choclate chip with double cream chesse). Also thier is a local dish called a garbage plate that is pretty taste but murder (ie hamburger, chesse, mac salad, homefires, greasy spicy chili and baked beans)
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956. kerigangirl
4:57 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
what's Bret going to do? i saw him and Payton on this morning but it was only a short clip.
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955. leftyy420
4:58 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
i don't understand how u can say his aprtments in not underwater. most of the french quater is dry bout that part closes to the industrial area is flooded. maybe u should check some things out lil bit more
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954. stormydee
4:48 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
COSMIC, hush, leave your opinions out. If 77's apt lost a roof, then YES, the apt could have been flooded even though the severe flooding has only begun. If his friend is badly hurt, I would assume roof damage, hence flooding, falling debris, NOT a good situation!!!! I don't know for sure, I have not gotten specs from him reg his friend, but let him be, he is mourning for lots of people, esp his friends situation!!!!!
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953. raindancer
4:55 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
DryHeat - Thanks for the source. Actually - thanks to all that are providing sources. All credible voices.

btw, Phoenix may seem dull for now - but at some point when Colorado / Arizona / New Mexico suffer a few winters with no significant snow - Phoenix will face a catastrophic drought. It seems that almost no place is immune from disaster at one point or another.
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952. CosmicEvents
4:58 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Your welcome weatherguy.....I'd like to keep the blog open to reality. There's enough of that to deal with. We don't need the theatrics from the obsessed. And now, as if on cue.....who shows up. Hmmmmmmmmm.
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951. weatherguy03
4:59 PM GMT on August 31, 2005

If anyone needs help in finding there families.
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950. EllistonVA
4:54 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
it wasn't the same in FL last year. Everywhere else a few hours after the storm is over the water goes away. In NO the waters are still rising, time is running out and no civilian authority has the training, resources or ability to help those people before there is no time left. We live in the US. This is not a coup. We have a voluntary service and they are going in to help their own. If this were anywhere but US soil we'd be cheering our military on, these are the same people that helped out with the tsunami and we were fine with that. They have the knowledge, the resources, let them do what they do best.
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949. davidintlh
4:56 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
in the interests of disclosure: i have not been able to find a news story that actually confirms that feds have taken over-- i see that they are cooridnating a relief effort, sending ships, and so on, but not actually superceding civilian authority there-- so my speculation could be based on invalid premises.
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948. weatherguy03
4:55 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Cosmic its nice to see someone is getting it here..Congrats to you!!!
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947. leftyy420
4:54 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
hey everybody. i am on now. just saw a moving press confrence by bret farve.
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946. DryHeat
4:45 PM GMT on August 31, 2005

FYI, I posted about the policeman being shot yesterday, and I said in the post the source, the WWL TV live video news feed. I too saw the report he will be OK this morning(thank God, since the video did not look good). Not a troll, just very concerned (brother used to live in Pascagoula and many fond memories of NO) and incensed with the looting.

btw, the safest/most boring place to live is Phoenix. No earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc, just a lot of sun.
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945. davidintlh
4:41 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
the rpeferred solution is for civilian emergency managers to be able coordinate the resources. in fl last year, for example, notwithstanding the cumulative demands of charley, frances, ivan, and jeanne, the civilian authroity was still aboe to coordinate with other providers and the military and the national guard. as i understand the normal federal disaster relief system, the feds are to provide resources but the coordination has to occur at the civilian-- typically state-- level. even in areas of civil unrest in which federal troops were sent in (watts riots, miam riots) state officials were still calling the shots (unlike some of the civil rights disturbances where federal resources were used to enforce federal laws). this is all tenth amendment stuff. but if the feds have actually preempted the civil authorities in la (but not, apparently, in badly damaged ms, where the state and local civilian authorities seem to be as on top of things as they can reasonably be expected to be given the magnitude of the disaster), then the la civilian authority must really have dropped the ball.
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944. EllistonVA
4:48 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
My husband, brother and I are all IT types (programmers) and we're all happily employed. I used to live up near Lake George, NY. I saw minus 30 on the thermometer more than a few times. I do miss the bagels though...they just can't seem to get them right here.
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943. cgableshurrycanegal
12:45 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
damn, getting nasty thunderboomers here, will make power restoration for that last 10% still out even longer...
think will go off line for a bit.
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942. scrabblechick
4:43 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Here's the link to the CNN Money story about gas prices. There is a light at the end of the tunnel.

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941. cgableshurrycanegal
12:43 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
well, cosmic, if it wasn't then, karma got him, it will be and he needs our prayers now. I know nothing about NO so can't say where his place was and can't judge. Not being Pollyanna here, just don't know.
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940. oriondarkwood
12:41 PM EDT on August 31, 2005

Touche' how is the IT market? And it doesn't get below 30 until next month. Coldest I ever seen it up here is -21 with close to -40 wind chill.
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939. cgableshurrycanegal
12:39 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
raind, couldn't agree more, and when Kat was east of FL and WE were about to get her, it drove me slightly bonkers the cat5 predictions in the gulf... I went to far as to ask for folks credentials ::g:: didn't get any. But in the last couple of days folks have been watching the news services and quoting them, inc Orleans and lefty
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938. CosmicEvents
4:38 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Folks.....you have to understand that there are some people who make dramatic creative posts here that are nothing but fabrication. Like that friend of Orleans.....when we last left him he was in 10 feet of water in the french quarter....at a time when there was no water in the french quarter.
.As posted by orleans.
.Posted By: Orleans77 at 2:46 PM GMT on August 29, 2005.
yes i am..my apartment is in FQuarter...im with family in NY...spoke to a bud and my apt is completly underwater as of 1 hr ago...
.Save your prayers for the real people.
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937. raindancer
4:39 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Elliston / Orleans - If Orleans follows many news feeds - then it is obvious that sources could easily be posted. Information without a source IS a rumor Elliston. I'm not accusing - I'm stating a fact.
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936. TPaul
4:37 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
CNN Money is reporting expectations that gas will go to $4.00 per gallon.
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935. kerigangirl
4:36 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Don't I wish... EllistonVA. I would have said last week anything to get out this hot hellhole called cola, sc. my babies would love me for it too - they're shelties.
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934. raindancer
4:37 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
cgable - I've noticed that several people are posting info and providing a source (i.e. AP, CNN, etc.) - or a link - which is great (and helpful)! Others are not - and the information is just garbage without a source. It's like doing a meteorological study or research paper and not providing any insight into your sources. Worthless.
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933. Orleans77
4:38 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
raindancer...ask anyone here about the accuracy of my reporting..ok..gotta go...
932. EllistonVA
4:35 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Orleans77 watches all the TV feeds and gets most of his info from there. He has proven to be quite reliable. Don't accuse someone of spreading rumors until you know that they are doing so. We're all trying to help.
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931. stormydee
4:33 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Ronoake is very pretty! Have family up that way.
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930. cgableshurrycanegal
12:33 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
many times have read things here I wonder about, just file away to see. Case in point. Y'day someone said a cop shot in head by looter. Didn't see anything more 'til this morning, when I heard, only once, on news, that he'll recover just fine, so someone somewhere DOES hae access to something... Yes, there will be rumors as well, but the trolls really ought to retreat to their pest-holes. Not saying anyone on right now is one, but they sure were rampant y'day....
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929. 53rdWeatherRECON
4:32 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
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928. raindancer
4:32 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Orleans - Much like any type of research, news reporting without direct sources is nothing more than rumors -- and the last thing any of us need right now is rumors. Please provide sources if you are going to provide useful insight.
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927. Orleans77
4:34 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
ok guys...need to get some work done--ill be back later...
926. Orleans77
4:32 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Thank you 53 i agre 110% with you
925. cgableshurrycanegal
12:31 PM EDT on August 31, 2005
:::VBG::: I don't plan to retire in FL, and hurr is one reason... don't want tornadoes either, so where to go that doesn't get blizzards and doesn't cost your right arm.....
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924. 53rdWeatherRECON
4:24 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
An entire city is going under and some people still care about looting. Amazing absolutly amazing. I have been seperated from the Air Force for 5 years now. I am past the point of reserve duty but am considering visiting MEPS to see if they might still need me. I also hope to find out more from my local Red Cross about joining. WAKE UP!!!! Officials in New Orleans have associated the damage with Hiroshima. I would never ever go that far. But for the Mayor's or Gov's to be speaking in those terms should strike a terrible heartache in all Americans.
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923. scrabblechick
4:22 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Anyone in Alabama who wants to go with hurricane relief teams can sign up online at: www.servealabama.gov.
In case no one has heard, the President has authorized release of some of the emergency oil stores, to help make up for the shortfall with the closed refineries.
Also, the latest is that NO is going to evacuate the Superdome folks to the Astrodome in Houston.
Here's the latest AP story on that move.
"At least 25,000 of Hurricane Katrina's refugees, a majority of them at the New Orleans Superdome, will travel in a bus convoy to Houston starting Wednesday and will be sheltered at the 40-year-old Astrodome, which hasn't been used for professional sporting events in years.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency will provide 475 buses for the transfer, and the Astrodome's schedule has been cleared through December for housing evacuees, said Kathy Walt, a spokeswoman for Texas Gov. Rick Perry.
Rusty Cornelius, administrative coordinator for the Harris County Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Management, told The Associated Press that initial plans were being made early Wednesday.
``We are planning on being able to do a full shelter operation for 25,000 people,'' he said.
Cornelius said the refugees would be bused to Houston, but all would not necessarily be on the road at the same time. He said specifics of the transport and housing for the refugees were still being worked out with Red Cross and state government officials.
``We want to accommodate those people as quickly as possible for the simple reason they have been through a horrible ordeal,'' he said.
Perry talked to Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco early Wednesday and agreed to the plan, Walt said.
Texas also is looking at the possibility of using the Ford Center in Beaumont for some long-term housing for other evacuees from Louisiana who may be staying in hotels, motels and campgrounds.
``Obviously from Governor Perry's standpoint, Texas is going to lend a helping hand and take care of those who have been devastated,'' Walt said.
Blanco said she wanted the Superdome which had become a shelter of last resort for about 20,000 people evacuated within two days, along with other gathering points for storm refugees. The situation inside the dank and sweltering Superdome was becoming desperate: The water was rising, the air conditioning was out, toilets were broken, and tempers were rising."
In response to the comments about rebuilding NO, when it was built, (how many hundred years ago?) it was at sea level, and has sunk over the years. I don't know how you rebuild an entire large city. Does the U.S. even have the money to do such a thing? I don't know. I'm praying for those in charge of this to have the wisdom to do what is best for the people first, and then for the city. There has to be a port there, but I just don't know where to put it. Some of the shipping can be temporarily shifted to Corpus Christi, Galveston and Mobile, I suppose.
I just pray that the Lord will be with all the people in NO, and all over LA and Miss. and AL.
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922. Orleans77
4:31 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
thks gable
921. EllistonVA
4:29 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Come on up and join us. kerigangirl- Elliston overlooks Roanoke. Darn beautiful place to live! Plus I live on a mountaintop - no flooding for us!
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920. Orleans77
4:29 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Rain Dancer -- I provide news as a service to this blog and have at times had my sources questioned to only have them confirmed by others ..have been asked by many to provide info as i find it and not to respond to questions about sourcing...

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