Katrina a tropical depression

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 9:54 PM GMT on August 30, 2005

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Just a quick update on the current state of tropics for now. The incredible stories of Katrina's devastation playing on the news now leave me stunned, and my heart goes out to all the victims and their loved ones.

Katrina now
Katrina is a tropical depression, racing northeastward through Indiana and Ohio at 27 mph, and will be gone tomorrow. No major flooding due to Katrina's rains is occurring in the areas north of the coastal devastation zone. The flooding and rains associated with Katrina's second landfall have been fairly low for a major hurricane, since the storm has been moving quickly and the soils the rain have been falling on are not saturated from previous storms. Katrina should continue to produce rain amounts in the 2-4 inch range for the rest of its track, which should only cause localized flooding problems. A few tornadoes are still possible. So far, Katrina has produced two damaging tornadoes in Georgia, one in the tourist town of Helen that ripped the roof off of an Econolodge.


Figure 1.Total estimated precipication from Katrina from the Mobile radar. Maximum amounts were in the 8-12 inch range. Data from 6 NWS radar sites is still not available, due to the failure of over 100 fiber lines in Louisiana and Mississippi. No repair date is available.

What's behind Katrina
We are watching two areas in the Atlantic that may become tropical depressions in the next day or two, but neither are expected to be a threat to land. Tropical Depression 13 dissipated yesterday, but is looking more organized and may regenerate. If it does regenerate, this system is probably only a threat to Bermuda. Another strong tropical low pressure area is midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands. This low has a large circulation and a small amount of deep convection trying to build over it. The low has some modest wind shear it is fighting, and a large area of dry, dust-laden air surrounding it. The dry air and shear will probably keep the low from developing into a depression today, but the shear may lessen enough tomorrow to let a depression form. If the low does develop, the early track models forecast the system to track northwestward over the open Atlantic Ocean and not threaten land.



Dr. Jeff Masters

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1120. BigBabu
1:06 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
NEED A PREVIOUSLY POSTED LINK!

Some kind soul posted a link which had satellite photos of the Mississippi and Alabama coastlines. I believe it may have been a NOAA related site. I have many friends wanting to know what became of their families and property in the Gulf Coast area. If anyone can repost this link, the information you will be giving would be invaluable to the people I know!

I still blame the French for building NO where they did,

Bryan Babij
1119. Raine54
10:00 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
wow.. just heard on fox that gas is $5.50 in atlanta
1118. EllistonVA
9:43 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
well at least one good thing is likely to come out of this. I bet people will start taking these evacuations a bit more seriously after Katrina...
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1117. leftyy420
7:48 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
ccn was interveiwing the head hurricane and no expert from lsu that said they expect 200,000-250,000 people did not eveacutae and their computer estimates says atleast 1/3rd drowned. wow thats shocking.
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1116. BrianLSU
7:38 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Orleans77, I imagine your from New Orleans.. where did u evacuate too?
1115. chicagowatcher
7:34 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
NEW ORLEANS - In a surprising assessment of Hurricane Katrina’s lethal destruction, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said Wednesday he feared that thousands had died in his city alone and that the entire city would have to be evacuated.

ummm, surpising to whom?
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1114. Skyepony (Mod)
7:32 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
hey here's a better link. This could help if you looking at the coast of Ms for a house. Link
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1113. Orleans77
7:31 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
CNN) -- The Bush administration declared a public health emergency for the entire Gulf Coast on Wednesday in an effort to stop the spread of disease in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

"We are gravely concerned about the potential for cholera, typhoid and dehydrating diseases that could come as a result of the stagnant water and the conditions," Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt said Wednesday after announcing the emergency.
1112. Orleans77
7:30 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
NEW ORLEANS - In a surprising assessment of Hurricane Katrina’s lethal destruction, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said Wednesday he feared that thousands had died in his city alone and that the entire city would have to be evacuated.

“We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water,” Nagin told reporters, adding that there are others dead in attics.

Asked for a number, he said, “Minimum hundreds, most likely thousands.”

The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug New Orleans’ breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers.
1111. Orleans77
7:27 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Updates as they come in on Katrina

02:22 PM CDT on Wednesday, August 31, 2005

Tom Planchet

2:20 P.M. - From Weezie Porter: WWL-TV Sales account executive. I evacuated with my family to Nashville. The people we are staying with have a relative in the Chateau Living Center in Kenner 716 Village Road. Their phone is working from time to time 504-464=0604. They report that all of the nurses have left, Only a few aides left there that have been working since Friday. They were supposed to be evacuated by bus but they did not show up. No medications have been given since Sunday,. 4 patients have died.

2:04 P.M. - WAFB-TV video shows hundreds of people in the Uptown area near Claiborne and Napoleon, stuck in apartments and other buildings and waving for help. Helicopters are rescuing one or two at a time.

1:45 P.M. - WWL-TV's Mike Ross says "do not come back (to Slidell and Grand Isle)."

1:39 P.M. - Hoss: Wind damage seen at the Target store on Clearview Pkwy.

1:28 P.M. - WWL-TV's Mike Hoss said the I-10/Causeway interchange has turned into a massive first aid station. 50 ambulances are stationed there, and those who need immediate medical attention are being kept there in tents. Black Hawk helicopters and other rescue copters are constantly ferrying evacuees in to the area.

1:20 P.M. - (AP) Mayor Ray Nagin says at least hundreds of people are dead -- maybe thousands -- in New Orleans. "We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water," and others dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands."

1:12 P.M. - WWL-TV's Josh McElveen describes the stench coming from the bathrooms in the Superdome as horrific.

1:03 P.M. - Mayor Nagin: Medical ship on the way to New Orleans.

12:56 P.M. - Governor Blanco - Time is not on our side for stopping the levee break. There were two breaches, when we thought there was only one. Communicatiion, or lack of same caused the problem.
1109. Orleans77
7:22 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
NY...paid $3.29 for gas this morning .. up from $ 2.69 yesterday..passed by ttheir a few min ago..now its at 3.49
1108. Orleans77
7:20 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Carnival: Feds Ask About Using Ships
Aug 31 2:08 PM US/Eastern


MIAMI

Carnival Cruise Lines said Wednesday the federal government has asked whether its cruise ships could be used as emergency shelters or help Hurricane Katrina relief efforts in some other way.

The world's largest cruise line said that although "to undertake such an endeavor would involve many complicated issues, we are actively taking a look at it."

Carnival operates 21 ships, each of which holds anywhere from about 1,500 to 3,000 passengers.

"It is our intention to work with federal officials to determine the feasibility of moving a ship into the area if that is their desire," the company said.

Carnival is owned by Miami, Fla.-based Carnival Corp.
1107. Orleans77
7:19 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
chicago..i think MS is going to be in the tens of thousands....its is going to be an unbelievable disaster
1106. oriondarkwood
7:18 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Local TV website has a place to leave messages

http://www.wdsu.com/news/4919183/detail.html
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1104. chicagowatcher
7:17 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
I would think MS would be much higher. Some of those towns are just gone, and their evac ratio was seemingly much lower.
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1103. Skyepony (Mod)
7:16 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
hey I had bookmarked it areal phots said they did 350 of them so far from Katrina. gonna check it out. probilly haven't done podunk Tylertown, Ms yet. There local paper hasn't even updated yet. There just north of NO across the border. Thanks Steve got a nice look of the place from'98. Good memories. Last contact with the family the shingles were flyin off bad, the one (of 5 chicken houses) they could seen from the house had opened like a tin can (each housin over 10000, 2 days to sale). They had to go a tornado was cominLink
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1102. oriondarkwood
7:15 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
2.61 - 2.99 in Rochester,ny (counting burbs and not including member only gas places aka BJ's, Sams)

2.61 - 2.67 in Webster, NY

http://www.gaspricewatch.com

http://www.gasbuddy.com/
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1101. Orleans77
7:15 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
CNN is reporting that they have unconfirmed reports that Mississippi offcials feel their death toll could reach into the thousands...but that it will be many many days beforee they know for sure...
1100. Orleans77
7:13 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Mayor: Katrina May Have Killed Thousands
Aug 31 3:03 PM US/Eastern


By BRETT MARTEL
Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS

The mayor said Wednesday that Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people in New Orleans.

"We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water," and other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands."

The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug New Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, while authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people left in New Orleans and all but abandon the flooded-out city.

There will be a "total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will not be functional for two or three months," Nagin said.

Most of those refugees _ 15,000 to 20,000 people _ were in the Superdome, which had become hot and stuffy, with broken toilets and nowhere for anyone to bathe. "It can no longer operate as a shelter of last resort," the mayor said.

Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained in New Orleans. He said 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be evacuated.
1099. Orleans77
7:12 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
FEMA now feels that in addition to those already in the Dome..number of those that syaed behind is much higher than originally thought..feel theer could be as many as 25,000 stil in the city...many of them in the projects...
1098. Orleans77
7:11 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
President will speak to the nation at 5pm from the White House
1097. Orleans77
7:10 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Director of FEMA confirmed Mayor's Statement -- death toll in NO City Proper alone could reach 5,000
1096. raindancer
7:06 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
I don't mean to be terribly cynical - but it was time to give up the Suburban years ago... Hello! Fossil fuels! Not an unlimited supply... A rapidly rising gas price is exactly what this country needs for a slap in the face wake-up call. The Europeans must be laughing their butts off at us right now...
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1095. oriondarkwood
7:05 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Skyepony,

Google Earth aka Keyhole I think offers real time sat photos (but not for sure their site is a little vague on that one)

www.keyhole.com

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1094. stevego
7:05 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
wisconsin low is 2.59 the high is 3.29
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1093. hootiethebooty
7:01 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
In Delaware OH gas is $3.09. It's time to get rid of the Suburban.
1092. stevego
7:00 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
heres a satellite site http://www.terraserver-usa.com/address.aspx
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1091. StormJunkie
6:58 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
CNN is trying to get an ALIVE list on their website. Not up yet, but should be soon.
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1090. stormydee
6:55 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
have a good night, will check in tomorrow. everyone, take care and pray for all!
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1089. Skyepony (Mod)
6:55 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Anybody know of a live or close to it zoom satilite images (type in your address & look at your house from the sky)? There's plenty from before this. Anything current though? Has technology caught up with my idea of how to see if the house & farm containing a good bit of my family is still standing? I know these were posted after Jeanne & Frances in my area, but I don't know if it was in a timely manner cause I had no power & I don't have that link anymore.
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1088. oriondarkwood
6:55 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Death tolls are going to be high. In NO according to 2000 cenus report thier is 1.3million people and close to 500,000 of them live in the city proper (ie the bowl). Red Cross is reporting aleast 45,000 in first aid stations and 20 - 30 thousand in the Superdome (depends on who you believe). That still leaves aleast 400,000 un-accounted for from the city proper (say 95% made it out that is 380,000 that still leaves 20,000 that are unknown)...
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1087. StormJunkie
6:55 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
100 degree heat + attic = Not good. Sorry ya'll do not mean to be a skeptic. Just worried.
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1086. chicagowatcher
6:54 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Was just shy of 3 bucks for selfserve no-lead. But have heard of 3.50 in other places in the midwest.
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1085. whitewabit (Mod)
6:52 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
chicago

whats the price of gas up there, Have to see a dr up there tomarrow?
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1084. chicagowatcher
6:50 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Well, again, it's a matter of math. I think it was reported that the population of NO was upwards of 500,000. Your guess is as good as mine how many evac'd, but even at 80%, that leaves around 100,000 souls in that town. With 20k or so in the dome, that leaves an awful lot of people unaccounted for. I'm pulling for attics and high-rises, but I just don't know...
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1083. cgableshurrycanegal
6:46 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
david, with the vids that are out, I'm afraid he's right on
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1082. cgableshurrycanegal
6:45 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
orleans, heard the same about NO waters, stabilized. watching folks trapped in buildings waiting to be rescued, they're safe and ok right now...
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1081. cgableshurrycanegal
6:44 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Hi, back
Dauphin Island destroyed according to Fox 22' wall of water
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1080. Orleans77
6:40 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Flood Waters are receding BIG Time..canals are back to normal ....
1079. davidintlh
6:40 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
cynically i would say if the no mayor says maybe thousand died, he's probably wrong (too high). but having seen the videos of damage there i worry that he may well be right.
1078. Orleans77
6:39 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
>
BREAKING NEWS

New Orleans mayor says Katrina killed hundreds -- maybe thousands -- of people in city, Associated Press reports. More soon.

CNN Source..

thks Lefty..I was afraid of this all along and am so sorry it seems to have come to pass
1077. StormJunkie
6:38 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Off to work. I will touch base from time to time.
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1076. Orleans77
6:38 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
thks lefty
1075. leftyy420
6:37 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
the mayors comments where from a ap source stated on cnn
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1074. davidintlh
6:37 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
it's good news if the wtaer has stopped rising. once the flow is equalized betwene the city and the lake the engineering problem of repairing the levee will be (relatively speaking, of course) much simpler.

once the cleanup/relief gets under way, it will seem to get off to a slow start but it will gradually pick up steam and soon take on a life of its own. beginning in the next couple of months, maybe sooner, the area will see an economic boom proportionate to the damage. the challenge for people is to maintain their day to day existence until the rebuilding gets going. much harder to do than to say because in the scorching sun an hour can seem like a year. kids have to be fed this afternoon, not next month. babies need new diapers NOW not in a month. but things will stabilized and improve.

but for those who were badly injured or who lost loved ones, no rebuilding will repair the damage.

in her book, "hurricane!" marjorie stoneman douglas noted that there was only one story of a hurricane: that of the survivor.
1073. StormJunkie
6:37 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
I agree 77. I have been avoiding pointing out that I think that the toll will rise greatly. I am also praying that I am wrong.
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1072. ear12603
6:37 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
I appreciate your efforts SEFL.
1071. oriondarkwood
6:36 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Stormydee,

Sadly probably will not be, we have entered a period of above average hurricane (both number and power). This trend if historical metorlogical records prove correct (remenber thier is only about 130 years of detailed recorded metorlogical history, so their can be century or even milliuem weather cycles we have no clue about) will last another decade or two before becoming quiet again (in theory).
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1070. SEFL
6:35 PM GMT on August 31, 2005
Earl, sorry this was from a plane flight over the area yesterday. If I hear more I will post.

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