Hurricane seasons ends; did all of this season's storms deserve names?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:33 PM GMT on November 30, 2007

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The Atlantic hurricane season of 2007 is over, and it was a strange one. For the second straight year, we had a near average season, despite pre-season predictions of a very active season. The U.S. got off lightly for the second straight year. Just two tropical storms and a Category 1 hurricane hit the country. Humberto, which did $500 million in damage to Texas and Louisiana, was our only hurricane. However, it was devastating year in the Caribbean. Two Category 5 hurricanes, Dean and Felix, barreled through, two weeks apart. Dean killed at least 27 along its trail of destruction through the Lesser Antilles Islands, Jamaica, and Mexico, while Felix was responsible for 235 people killed or missing in Nicaragua. The Caribbean also suffered deadly flooding rains from Hurricane Noel, which killed at least 150 people in the Dominican Republic and Haiti.

Records set in 2007
1) Hurricane Felix set the Atlantic record for fastest intensification from the first advisory to a Category 5 hurricane. It took Felix just 54 hours to accomplish the feat.

2) Hurricane Humberto set the Atlantic record for fastest intensification from first advisory issued to hurricane strength--18 hours. (Actually, Humberto did the feat in 14 1/4 hours, but this will get rounded off to 18 hours in the final data base, which stores points every six hours). There have been six storms that accomplished the feat in 24 hours.

3) Hurricane Lorenzo tied the Atlantic record for fastest intensification from a tropical depression to a Category 1 hurricane--twelve hours.

4) With the occurrence of Dean and Felix, there have now been eight Category 5 storms in the past five years--the highest total ever observed over such a short time span.

5) Dean and Felix both made landfall at Category 5 strength, the first time two storms have done that in a single year.



Figure 2. Atlantic 2007 hurricane season forecasts issued near June 1, compared to the actual and normal values.

CSU=Colorado State University (CSU) Phil Klotzbach/Dr. Bill Gray forecast (May 31)
NOAA=NOAA's forecast (May 22)
TSR=Tropical Storm Risk, Inc. (TSR) forecast (June 4)
UKMET=UK Met Office (June 19)
ACE=Accumulated Cyclone Energy, a measure of a named storm's potential for wind and storm surge destruction defined as the sum of the square of a named storm's maximum wind speed (in 10^4 knots^2) for each 6-hour period of its existence. The 1950-2000 average value of ACE is 96.

While 2007 was a fairly normal year in terms of number of hurricanes and intense hurricanes, it was above normal in terms of number of named storms (14, vs. an average of 11). However, this is a misleading measure of how active the hurricane season was. Seven of this year's storms were weak tropical storms that lasted a day and a half or less. Three of the hurricanes lasted only one advisory at hurricane strength (six hours). The total destructive energy (ACE, or Accumulated Cyclone Energy) for 2007 was only 71% of normal. Only 33.50 named storm days occurred in 2007, the lowest value of named storm days since the El Nino year of 1994, when 27.75 named storm days occurred.

Did all of the named storms this year deserve names?
While all of this year's named storms did reach tropical storm strength, based on the best data available, it is quite likely that two or more of them would not have gotten named 20 or more years ago. For example, Tropical Storm Melissa was a tropical storm in the far eastern Atlantic, east of 30W, for one day. It was named based on a new satellite classification technique that was not available 20 years ago called the Objective Dvorak Technique. Furthermore, prior to the late 1980's,the National Hurricane Center did not have official responsibility for the Atlantic Ocean east of 30W. Storms that formed and died in that part of the Atlantic may not have made it into the official HURDAT database of Atlantic storms. Several of this season's storms were named based on data from the QuikSCAT satellite and other new measurement techniques that were not available 20 years ago.

Furthermore, the definition of what should be a named storm is subjective, and has changed depending upon who is director of the National Hurricane Center. In the 1980s, director Bob Sheets declared that subtropical storms were not to be given names. It was not until 2002 that subtropical storms were deemed worthy of names. This year's Subtropical Storm Andrea would not have been named in the 1980s. A borderline tropical depression/tropical storm will not get named until it holds together for a while. How long is a while? Back in the 1970s and 1980s under NHC directory Neil Frank, a storm sometimes had to stay at tropical storm strength for a full day, according to an interview published yesterday in the Houston Chronicle. Since three of this year's storms lasted a day or less, they would not have been named under his tenure at NHC. A borderline storm is more likely to get named if it is close to land, but none of the three short-lived storms (Jerry, Chantal, and Melissa) threatened land.

All of these uncertainties in storm naming makes it very difficult to determine if climate change is causing an increase in the number of named storms in the Atlantic. A "best track" committee is working its way through all the Atlantic hurricane records to standardize the data, but this effort will take many years.

Why did the pre-season hurricane forecasts do so poorly?
In June, forecasters gave several reasons to expect a very active season in 2007:

1) A continuation of conditions since 1995 that have put us in an active hurricane period (in particular, the fact that sea surface temperatures in the Atlantic Main Development Region for hurricanes were about 0.6° C above normal.

2) The strong likelihood of either neutral or La Nina conditions in the tropical Pacific Ocean, leading to average to below average wind shear conditions.

Well, La Nina conditions did develop, and wind shear gradually declined during the season. Wind shear was slightly above average in August, near average in September, and below average in October over the main development region for hurricane formation. However, sea surface temperatures declined to near average levels by July and August, thanks to a major incursion of African dust. According to the excellent write up of this hurricane season's activity posted by Phil Klotzbach and Bill Gray, 2007 was the dustiest year over the tropical Atlantic since 1999. All this dust acted to block sunlight from reaching the ocean surface, and sea surface temperatures were not able to maintain their above average state. We don't have the ability to predict major dust outbreaks from Africa more than a few days in advance, and this inability will continue to confound efforts at seasonal hurricane prediction for years to come.

NPR interview cancelled
I was supposed to be featured on the National Public Radio show "Day to Day" today, but that interview got canceled at the last minute.

Jeff Masters

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626. Cavin Rawlins
12:54 AM GMT on December 04, 2007
My Dvorak T number of TD 04F based on the curved band pattern

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625. ShenValleyFlyFish
12:43 AM GMT on December 04, 2007
New blog up
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624. Cavin Rawlins
12:36 AM GMT on December 04, 2007
Recent infrared imagery showed the center becoming tucked under the deepest convection.

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623. taistelutipu
12:30 AM GMT on December 04, 2007
hehe, cool. I start seeing things on sat images *lol*
I'll be off now, 2.30 am here, have to get up at 8.30 :-/ See you all tomorrow!
Take care
tipsku
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622. Cavin Rawlins
12:28 AM GMT on December 04, 2007
620. taistelutipu 8:20 PM AST on December 03, 2007 Hide this comment.
W456, it it the center of circulation inside the yellow circle? If so, it would look quite good for that invest because the convection is starting to wrap around it.


Yep, thats the center of circulation per microwave passes. Yes, and it looks good for this one.
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621. ShenValleyFlyFish
12:22 AM GMT on December 04, 2007
High Wind Warning

Statement as of 2:12 PM EST on December 03, 2007


... High Wind Warning remains in effect until 1 am EST Tuesday...

A High Wind Warning remains in effect until 1 am EST Tuesday.

Strong northwest winds of 25 to 35 mph will continue into this
evening with gusts up 60 mph possible especially over elevated
terrain. Eastern West Virginia and western Maryland are at highest risk
for experiencing damaging winds and widespread power outages
especially this evening.

A High Wind Warning means a hazardous high wind event is expected
or occurring. Winds of this magnitude can down trees and power
lines and lead to power outages.





Public Information Statement

Statement as of 1:59 PM EST on December 3, 2007

The following are unofficial observations taken during the past 24 hours
for the storm that has been affecting our region. Appreciation is extended
to Highway departments... cooperative observers... Skywarn spotters
and media for these reports. This summary is also available on our
home Page at weather.Gov/Baltimore

*************************peak wind *************************

Location peak wind time/date comments
of
(mph) measurement


*************************peak wind *************************

Location peak wind time/date comments
of
(mph) measurement


Maryland

... Allegany County...
Frostburg 49 1129 am 12/3 Frostburg state univ.

... Anne Arundel County...
Hanover Hills 51 1114 am 12/3 mesonet station
Balto/wash Intl 47 1011 am 12/3

... Baltimore County...
Reisterstown 47 1114 am 12/3 mesonet station

... Prince George's County...
Camp Springs 49 1051 am 12/3 Andrews AFB
Bowie 46 1059 am 12/3 mesonet station

... St. Mary's County...
St. Marys city 46 1032 am 12/3 St. Inigoes metar obs

Virginia

... Arlington County...
Reagan National 47 1234 PM 12/3

... Fairfax County...
Fort Belvoir/dav 51 948 am 12/3
Reston 46 1059 am 12/3 mesonet station

... Nelson County...
Wintergreen 49 1144 am 12/3 mesonet station

... Page County...
Luray 46 1059 am 12/3 Big Meadows vis. Center

... Prince William County...
Bristow 52 1049 am 12/3 mesonet station
Quantico 46 950 am 12/3

... Shenandoah County...
Strasburg 47 1059 am 12/3 mesonet Station

West Virginia

... Berkeley County...
Inwood 54 1129 am 12/3 mesonet station
Bunker Hill 48 1059 am 12/3 mesonet station
Martinsburg 46 1047 am 12/3

... Grant County...
Petersburg 55 457 am 12/3
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620. taistelutipu
12:20 AM GMT on December 04, 2007
W456, it it the center of circulation inside the yellow circle? If so, it would look quite good for that invest because the convection is starting to wrap around it.
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619. pottery
12:13 AM GMT on December 04, 2007
You tell em , Shen.
In fact, you clean that comment up a lil bit, use a lot of minor chords, you got a hit.......
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618. Cavin Rawlins
12:06 AM GMT on December 04, 2007
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617. extreme236
12:05 AM GMT on December 04, 2007
BBL
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616. taistelutipu
12:03 AM GMT on December 04, 2007
That happens quite often here, especially in winter when the sun is very low the entire day.

I checked on wikipedia, what the absorption of certain wave lengths can tell us about the cloud type:

"Other colours occur naturally in clouds. Bluish-grey is the result of light scattering within the cloud. In the visible spectrum, blue and green are at the short end of light's visible wavelengths, while red and yellow are at the long end. The short rays are more easily scattered by water droplets, and the long rays are more likely to be absorbed. The bluish color is evidence that such scattering is being produced by rain-sized droplets in the cloud.

A greenish tinge to a cloud is produced when sunlight is scattered by ice. A cumulonimbus cloud which shows green is a pretty sure sign of imminent heavy rain, hail, strong winds and possible tornadoes.

Yellowish clouds are rare but may occur in the late spring through early fall months during forest fire season. The yellow color is due to the presence of smoke.

Red, orange and pink clouds occur almost entirely at sunrise/sunset and are the result of the scattering of sunlight by the atmosphere. The clouds are not that color; they are reflecting the long (and unscattered) rays of sunlight which are predominant at those hours. The effect is much the same as if one were to shine a red spotlight on a white sheet. In combination with large, mature thunderheads this can produce blood-red clouds. The evening before the Edmonton, Alberta tornado in 1987, Edmontonians observed such clouds — deep black on their dark side and intense red on their sunward side. In this case the adage "red sky at night, sailor's delight" was wrong."

So in some cases it can mean bad weather, but normally the red color is just caused by the low position of the sun. There are some awesome images on the wikipedia site on "Cloud", examples for yellow and red clouds and other multicolor clouds.
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615. ShenValleyFlyFish
11:59 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Listen up all you Da@#Yankys! If you are gonna move south of the border don't be pinen for the weather you left behind. And you guys stayed up where you belong shut the door. We got wind gusts out of up yalls direction comion kinda katicorner nigh on to 40mph with temps headed well below where the watter starts icin over and nutin to show for it but cars trucks and expecially them silly lookin crosses tween a Station Wagon and and I ain't figured out what wit a tiny bit of hood yall hall your kids around in a swerven all over the road and my tush is a freezin an I aint figgured what your up ter but I know it aint right an I don't like it one litel bit an if ya all pointy headed show offs kant figgur out what Ima tryin to say just put it in yer puter translator.
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614. extreme236
11:55 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
And, it looks like Invest 93P (or known as "tropical low" by RSMC Nadi) has become TD 04F: (RSMC Nadi Tropical Statement)

Tropical Disturbance Summary For area Equator to 25S, 160E to 120W
ISSUED FROM RSMC NADI Dec 03/2321 UTC 2007 UTC.

TROPICAL DEPRESSION 04F [1009HPA] CENTRE NEAR 12.9S 176.0W AT 032100
UTC. POSITION POOR BASED ON MTSAT-IR/VIS IMAGERY WITH ANIMATION AND
PERIPHERAL SURFACE OBSERVATIONS. SST IN THE AREA IS ABOUT 29-30C.

AT THIS STAGE THE LLCC IS HARD TO DETECT BUT SATELLITE IMAGERY
INDICATES IMPROVED BANDING IN THE LAST 24 HOURS AND THE MAIN
CONVECTION LYING ABOVE THE LLCC. SURFACE FLOW STILL SUPPORTS THE
SYSTEM WITH A CONVERGENCE ZONE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE AND
SOUTHEASTERLIES IN THE SOUTH. NO QUIKSCAT PASS AVAILABLE. THE SYSTEM
IS LOCATED UNDER A 250HPA ANTICYCLONIC CIRCULATION IN AN AREA OF LOW
SHEAR. MOST GLOBAL MODELS [GFS,GASP,EC] PICK UP THE SYSTEM AND SEEM
TO AGREE ON A SOUTHWESTERLY TRACK BUT DO NOT FAVOUR ANY
INTENSIFICATION.

THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS SYSTEM TO DEVELOP INTO A TROPICAL CYCLONE IN
THE NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS IS LOW TO MODERATE.

THERE ARE NO OTHER SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL DISTURBANCES ANALYSED OR
FORECAST IN THE AREA.
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613. extreme236
11:53 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
West-Central and Southwestern Ohio should be seeing its first measurable snow (in case you didnt know-thats where I live). The amount of snow is a little uncertain though.

.SHORT TERM /6 AM TUESDAY MORNING THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT/...
WEIGHTED THE FORECAST TOWARD THE OPERATIONAL GFS...ECMWF...SREF
AND GFS ENSEMBLE MEAN FOR THE SHORT TERM PERIOD. NAM-WRF HAS COME
MORE IN LINE WITH THE NEXT WEATHER SYSTEM...BUT CONTINUES TO BE
ANOMALOUSLY STRONG AS COMPARED TO THE OTHER MODELS.

CLOUDS WILL CONTINUE SPILL INTO THE REGION ON TUESDAY AS A CLIPPER
SYSTEM ORGANIZES OVER THE NRN PLAINS. ENOUGH WAA/ISENTROPIC LIFT
WELL AHEAD OF THE SYSTEM WILL BRING A CHANCE OF SNOW TO THE NW
CWFA LATE TUESDAY AFTERNOON...AND A SLIGHT CHC OF RAIN OR RAIN/SNOW
MIXED ALONG AND NORTH OF THE OHIO RIVER. LITTLE OR NO SNOW
ACCUMULATION IS EXPECTED.

FOR TUESDAY NIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY...IT CONTINUES TO LOOK LIKE MOST
OF THE REGION WILL SEE ITS FIRST APPRECIABLE ACCUMULATING SNOW OF
THE SEASON. DECENT WAA/ISENTROPIC LIFT WILL SPREAD PRECIPITATION
ACROSS THE REGION TUESDAY NIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY MORNING AS SFC LOW
PRESSURE TRACKS TO NEAR THE OHIO RIVER FROM THE NORTHWEST. A RAIN/SNOW
MIX IS EXPECTED NEAR AND TO THE SOUTH OF THE OHIO RIVER EARLY ON
WHICH WILL CUT DOWN ON ACCUMULATIONS THERE. PRECIPITATION WILL
TAPER OFF WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AS THE LOW TRACKS EAST TOWARD THE
NC COAST. OVERALL...2 TO 3 INCHES OF SNOW IS EXPECTED NORTH OF
THE OHIO RIVER...WITH AN INCH OR LESS ALONG AND SOUTH OF THE
RIVER. IF FUTURE WEATHER MODELS CONTINUE TO KEEP CURRENT SFC LOW
PATH...A SNOW ADVISORY WILL LIKELY BE NEEDED WITH LATER FORECASTS.

HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD INTO THE AREA BY WEDNESDAY NIGHT...EVENTUALLY
ENDING ANY LINGERING PRECIPITATION.

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612. HrDelta
11:49 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Ok, I have a weather, non-tropical question. If the sky outside is orange & pink colored, and that coloured light is coming though your windows, is that a bad sign? I thought when the sky's colors become this goofy, sometjing bad happens afterwards.
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611. taistelutipu
11:36 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
You gotta love these online translators. They gave me a good laugh. Especially the universal translator, Mr. Sulu. I loved this series *lol*
And final laughing fit on that one: Lassen Sie der Schminke an Stabbacken das gute Perioderollen von Bayern. I have to watch the video to understand what's going on in this phrase. It is German but it makes no sense *lol*

My cousin once used one online translator from German into French and wanted to hand in the result as an essay but she was not quite sure about some wordings so she sent it to me to make it sound more natural.. hell, I've had to rewrite it entirely! It contained nonsense just like the phrase above.

Thank you Flood, I'm quite fine. Sorry for not replying right away, I've just been busy with my seminar dissertation. Today is the deadline and I had to make some last modifications. And you may call me "Du" wie man es unter Freunden macht. ;-)

Lake, extreme236, W456, nice to see you again and thanks for posting all the graphics and satellite pictures. IMHO the blog is such a cozy place during off-season when only dedicated hobby mets like you are around here. I enjoy reading it whereas during hurricane season I tend to "fall off the sledge" as I would say in Finnish (= can't follow anymore).
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610. extreme236
10:34 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
No problem. It should be TD 04F though if trends continue. However RSMC Nadi says shear is strong where it is headed so IDK what will happen.
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609. Cavin Rawlins
10:33 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
ooook..thanks for clearing that up
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608. extreme236
10:29 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Actually 456, TD 03F was 91P and that system has already dissapated. RSMC Nadi has 93p as a tropical low but their new statement isnt out yet
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607. Cavin Rawlins
10:11 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
The next name on the list is "Daman"
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606. Cavin Rawlins
10:09 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Tropical Low 93P

Visible Imagery - shows impressive curvature in the cloud clusters. Also there is banding in the southern quadrant.



Moisture and water content



91GHz - shows the center surrounded by two main bands of heavy convection.

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605. Cavin Rawlins
9:50 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
yes it does hurt
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604. Cavin Rawlins
9:48 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
will do
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603. Patrap
9:46 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
I pulled a Deltoid once.
But never a Epsilon.

Does that hurt?
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602. cchsweatherman
9:45 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Thanks alot 456. Let me know if you're thinking changes at all by emailing me. Good night all.
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601. Cavin Rawlins
9:44 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
I dont think so. Two reasons:

1. Its December

2. Upper level winds are too strong and forecasted to remain so for the next 48 hrs. The subtropical jet is beginning to take its winter position and shear is forecasted to approach 80 knots.

Though nothing is ever 100% certain and it could pull a Epsilon.



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600. cchsweatherman
9:43 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
456, could this have potential for some development; not as strong as the CMC shows?
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599. Patrap
9:42 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
LOL ,Red Stick,Baton Rouge, Cher
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598. LakeShadow
9:42 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
duh...I was making a funny!
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597. Floodman
9:41 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Pat:

Lassen Sie der Schminke an Stabbacken das gute Perioderollen von Bayern

The "cheeks of stick" had me stumped there
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596. H2PV
9:40 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
http://www.kwtx.com/weather/headlines/12078556.html

Hurricane-Force Winds Slam Northwest

(December 3, 2007)—Coastal residents of Washington State and Oregon are bracing for more strong winds Monday after powerful storms over the weekend down power lines.

Some schools have been closed and up to six inches of rain is expected by Monday night.

Tillamook County sheriff Todd Anderson reported nearly 40-foot waves and scattered power outages in the south end of the county but said there were no reports of injuries.

All of Lincoln County and parts of the mid-Willamette Valley also lost power.

The unusual storm is the product of a combination of moisture from three tropical typhoons and cold air coming down from Alaska.

=============

Winter storm barrels into American Northeast after pounding the
... International Herald Tribune, France - 1 hour ago AP ALBANY, New York:
Drivers in much of the American Northeast navigated a treacherous mix of rain, sleet and snow Monday as a storm blamed for at least 14 ...

http://www.kirotv.com/weather/14758195/detail.html
Flooding, High Winds Batter Western Washington
SEATTLE -- A fierce storm packing record-heavy rains flooded streets and swelled rivers in Western Washington, adding to the region's woes following high winds overnight and snow over the weekend.

http://www.kndo.com/Global/story.asp?S=7442295&nav=menu484_5_4
Winds hammer Grays Harbor County, 2 PUD workers injured
ABERDEEN, Wash. (AP) - Grays Harbor County Sheriff Mike Whelan says the storm damage on the Washington coast is the worst he's seen in 30 years in law enforcement. Whelan says many roads and highways have been closed by falling trees. The power is out for tens of thousands of utility customers. Emergency officials advised schools in the county not to open today and for non-essential government employees to stay home.
595. LakeShadow
9:40 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
whats there in that fish tank, there Patrap????
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594. Floodman
9:38 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Nope, Lake, it means eerie, unnatural (unheimlich=unhomelike)
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593. Bonedog
9:38 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
oh wow the surface map updated. ANd your right not attached.

wont develope though way toomuch shear. Just another nekind low spinning out in the ocean
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592. Floodman
9:37 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Spelling phonetically, of course:
No mae shit cher no, it don' go to German good, no
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591. cchsweatherman
9:37 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
456, could this have potential for some development; not as strong as the CMC shows?
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590. Patrap
9:36 PM GMT on December 03, 2007


"Lassen Sie der Schminke an Stabbacken das gute Perioderollen von Bayern"

Bonus Link..Link
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589. Cavin Rawlins
9:36 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
After looking at some data.....The low you pointed out seems to be the best candidate to what the CMC is picking up.

The arrow shows the direction of travel over 144 hrs.

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588. LakeShadow
9:36 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Does that mean to choke on something, or to make someone else choke?
:o)
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587. Floodman
9:35 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
LOL...don't forget unheimlich, Lake...
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586. LakeShadow
9:35 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
strangely enough, it does, patrap!
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585. Patrap
9:33 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Coonazz dont translate well to Deutsche
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584. Floodman
9:32 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
CMC shows strong tropical storm in the central Atlantic in a week.


Under a great deal of shear...no one else seems to see it either
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583. LakeShadow
9:31 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
how creepy? very creepy!
:o)
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582. Floodman
9:29 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Die Übersetzer sind wie creepy manchmal ich finden.


Genau, Patrap...sehr creepy; unheimlich
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581. eaglesrock
9:29 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
CMC shows strong tropical storm in the central Atlantic in a week.
580. LakeShadow
9:28 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
577. cchsweatherman 9:26 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Bonedog, that low is not attached to the cold front. Take a look at the latest surface analysis map. Also notice how on the previous map it had a pressure of 1012 mb, now it is at 1010 on the latest map.

looks like its gonna sit n spin. Thats been happening alot today.
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579. LakeShadow
9:27 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Its a funny language. :oP
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578. cchsweatherman
9:27 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
You there 456?
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577. cchsweatherman
9:26 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
Bonedog, that low is not attached to the cold front. Take a look at the latest surface analysis map. Also notice how on the previous map it had a pressure of 1012 mb, now it is at 1010 on the latest map.
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576. Bonedog
9:25 PM GMT on December 03, 2007
LOL you all and your online translators
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