Transcript of the NHC press conference; QuikSCAT science

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 8:27 PM GMT on July 06, 2007

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The National Hurricane Center political controversy continues today. In an Associated Press story released this morning, Senior Hurricane Specialist James Franklin of the National Hurricane Center commented on Bill Proenza's QuikSCAT claims, saying:

"He has been very loudly saying if it failed our forecasts for landfalling storms would be degraded, that warning areas would need to be expanded. None of that is the case, and he knows that we feel that way. The science is not there to back up the claims that he's making."

This was the same case I made in my blog yesterday. However, in comments published in the Miami Herald today, Dr. Bob Atlas, a QuikSCAT scientist who runs NOAA's Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory on Virginia Key, rose to defend Proenza. To quote from the Herald:

He said the report challenged by Masters, even if not yet published, appears to be a "rigorous study" that provides the "most comprehensive study of QuikSCAT data related to hurricane predictions."

Atlas said nothing he has heard Proenza say about QuikSCAT has made him wince, though Atlas added that NOAA is developing ways to mitigate the loss of QuikSCAT data.

In addition, he said, Proenza's estimates of 16 percent and 10 percent have been misunderstood: They apply to the accuracy of one of many computerized forecast models rather than actual, end-result predictions by hurricane forecasters.

"Bill's worked very hard and very well to position the hurricane center to interact well with researchers," Atlas said.


Dr. Atlas was mis-quoted by Time Magazine, who printed this:

Bob Atlas, director of NOAA's Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory in Miami, insist that Proenza's concerns "are very well founded. QuickScat is the most valuable forecasting tool." Atlas says he applauds Proenza's outspokenness, predicting it will "accelerate the effort to replace QuickScat with an even better scatterometer satellite."

I talked with Dr. Atlas this morning, and what he actually said is that "NCEP's Ocean Prediction Center (OPC) have referred to QuikSCAT as the most valuable tool they have." OPC issues the high seas marine forecasts and warnings for the North Atlantic and North Pacific. Dr. Atlas did not say QuickSCAT is the most valuable forecasting tool for hurricane forecasting which it is not. Dr. Atlas and I both agree on what the science says about QuikSCAT. I respect his support for Proenza, and hope that Proenza's superiors in Washington take into account all the facts in the case. I did my best to present what I know of the science in my blog yesterday. No one knows the full story of what's going on at NHC, but this morning's press conference, done by staff members at NHC who oppose Proenza, will help clarify things. A transcript was sent to me by WTVJ, the NBC Station in Miami.

Transcript of this morning's press conference

Senior Hurricane Specialist James Franklin
We have been a family here, we are a small group of about 50 people. When things are really happening, we've got a Katrina out there or a Rita type of storms, everybody needs to stop what they're doing and pull together and make sure our message gets out and that we're doing the best job that we can to make the best forecast. We've got a lot of people pulling together to do that. That takes a certain amount of teamwork and appreciation of sense of family and he's destroying that, he's destroying that.

He's divided the staff, and it's hard to know how we're going to be able to come together with him here. One thing that happened yesterday when the staff met, and talked about these issues and a lot of people learned for the first time about some of the issues going on yesterday, and that brought a lot of the staff together. You saw a number of people speaking out both in terms of 3 to 23 yesterday. We found out what was really going on here. and I think you're going to see more later on.

I was very very gratified, we had a wonderful meeting with staff, including those who have been prior supporters of Bill. And we're learning a lot of things for the very first time. There we're a number of people who agreed with us, didn't like the idea of going to the press, but felt he needed to go, there are a fair number of people who didn't sign the letter for that reason. They wanted to keep it in house, and I certainly understand that. About 70-percent of the people who were in the discussion yesterday, put their names on the paper.

I think we've learned an awful lot about Bill here, during the last six months that maybe we didn't know.

We would have liked to have seen Bill realize that he didn't have the support of the staff and step down. That's not going to happen apparently. The process, the Dept. of Commerce process, I imagine needs to go forward. I think it would be nice if they could take him out of the office while that process goes on, those are not decisions we can make.

Lixion Avila-Senior Hurricane Forecaster
-Been here longer than any other forecaster
-Worked for 5-hurricane directors

I was Bill's stronger supporter, I went with him to the Caribbean with the hurricane hunter plane. To develop the hurricane hunter plan, like I did with all the directors. And I'm very upset (loud truck drives by) that he's been misrepresenting the views of the National Hurricane Center, and the hurricane plan. That plan was developed by the previous five hurricane directors, it's a jewel, it's the best in the world and it's been something that Neil Frank, Bob Sheets and Jerry Jarrel and developed for 20-years in six months he wants to destroy that plan.

For example he, I'm a scientist not a manager, and I don't know anything about management, but I can tell you that he came to my office telling me that he wants my advice, that he can not work here if he doesn't hear my advice.. very helpful with the previous directors, and he asked me, and I said the first thing you need to do is quit talking about that QuikSCAT and tell him that is out of line, will help all the problems. And he says he will do that, instead he goes back to the media, and you don't publish that you only publish the good things he said.

He said that we don't want to work with him, because he brings many good ideas, and we don't want to do that. I want you to know that he has not made a hurricane forecast since 1964.

That satellite, I gave that example to many people here. There are many things more important than that satellite. Of course I want that someone to have that satellite. The example I gave everybody is like having a BMW with leather seats. If you don't have leather seats that BMW is going to ruin, and we are going to make a very damn good forecast this year, with Bill or without Bill, and I think. I'm being very emotional, because I was his strongest supporter and I feel betrayed.

I was the last forecaster to join the group. They were smarter than me, I was giving him one more chance. Two day's ago when he came to my office and said please, what should I do to solve this problem? And I was very naive and I told him you need to stop fighting, pretending you're David against Goliath, and all those things with NOAA. The public thinks you're a hero, but you're not. You just need to develop your time and saving the hurricane program that your predecessor developed so nicely, this castle that has been done here. and he went back and said he was going to do that, he went to the media and said the opposite, and that's the end, thank you.

James Franklin
I want to say something about the QuikSCAT issue because, because that's important. The QuikSCAT satellite, is important to us, it does a lot of good things for us. We want a next generation advanced instrument, however there are a lot of things that current instrument cannot do, and by misrepresenting the case for that satellite, he has made it seem so urgent and so important. That what we're afraid of, that we'll get a quick fix, a copy of the kind of thing with existing technology. And within a couple of years we'll be in exactly the same position same situation. QuikSCAT is not a tool to help us improve track forecasts, that's how it's been misrepresented. Bill waves this NOAA report that some of my colleagues worked on and said look this is it. That report did not address track forecast accuracy, that is another one of the misrepresentations.

QuikSCAT is important to help us understand the size of the wind field, the strength, the current instrument has a lot of trouble with rain, a lot of rain in tropical cyclones. We need to move forward if we take the time develop the technology further and in a few more years get at the technology that really helps us get at the intensity problem, that's where our forecast problem really is. We've made great strides with track, as you know we're having a lot more problems with intensity, and doing the QuikSCAT problem correctly, taking our time, developing new technology is one of the tools that we need to help solve the intensity problem. But because of the way it's been portrayed we're afraid that there's going to be a quick fix that's not going to address the track problem, and it doesn't address the track problem and it isn't going to end up helping us with what the forecasters really know will help us.

We've see members of the Congress talking about how the information from the recognizance aircraft are inferior to QuikSCAT, we're afraid that somebody might get it in their heads to fund a stopgap QuikSCAT to take funds from recon aircraft. There is no comparison, there is not a forecaster here who believes QuikSCAT is more important than recon aircraft or other tools we have. But because this issue has been misreported we're afraid we might lose what we have.

We've got forecasters still back at there desks doing their jobs and they'll continue doing that. But there's a lot of people losing sleep over this, and as we get into august September, October, I don't think you want a bunch of tired sick, forecasters working the forecast desk. I think it takes a full effort. It's not just about doing our jobs, we need to go over and beyond when those storms are coming, and that's becoming harder to do.

I think when things get busy, it's going to be harder for us to work effectively with the situation we have here.

Vivian Jorge, Administrative Officer
As far as myself in the administration, since Bill got here, is the turmoil in the administration, because in my sense, bill(sat breakup) likes controversy. And I myself have been asked to do things that I know are not procedure but have been asked to do because that's the way he wants things done, and I've worked at hurricane center since 1985.

Unfortunately I think a director needs to unite his staff and he needs to be a calming person. It doesn't need to be a no new ideas. All the directors have different ideas.. from Neil on down to Max, they were different, they were not the same, their management styles were not the same, but they united the staff, the listened to the staff, especially the folks who have been here for so many years. .. and I think in the case of bill he doesn't feel that's necessary, he always feels he knows best. And that again in our case, there's never been so many closed doors, so much intrigue at the hurricane center as now and that's really unfortunate. I can't tell you how proud I am to work here.

--End of Press Conference

QuikSCAT science
Enough of politics, let's talk science! I've communicated several times over the past few weeks with Dr. Paul Chang, a NOAA QuikSCAT scientist whose QuikSCAT web page I've linked to hundreds of times in my blogs over the past two years. He did not want to comment on the politics of the QuikSCAT issue (smart man!), but did ask me print these comments:

The need for an operational ocean surface vector wind satellite system like QuikSCAT (or actually better) goes much further than the hurricane issue, and the push for it started long before Bill Proenza became the NHC director. NHC actually wants/needs something better so that it can provide them with reliable and accurate information (intensity and structure) within all hurricanes. A few other users of QuikSCAT data include: The Department of Defense's Joint Typhoon Warning Center in Pearl Harbor, which has a much larger area to forecast for. They have no Hurricane Hunter data and much less surface and upper air data to work with, and thus use QuikSCAT winds quite a bit. This is a similar situation for NOAA's Central Pacific Hurricane Center located in Hawaii. QuikSCAT has also had significant positive impacts at the Ocean Prediction Center, which issues the high seas marine forecasts and warnings for the North Atlantic and North Pacific. This has led to the introduction of a warning category for hurricane force winds for the most dangerous extratropical cyclones. I know of at least a few private marine weather companies that routinely use QuikSCAT. The Australians, French and many others use QuikSCAT routinely for tropical storm forecast/analysis, and for marine weather in general.

The track degradation impact numbers that Bill Proenza has been stating publicly come from a limited data study for the 2003 season in the Atlantic with the GFS model only. I believe Bob Atlas did some earlier work studying the impact of QuikSCAT on Hurricane Cindy using an earlier version of the NCEP global model. Both of these studies did show promising positive impacts. They are of course limited studies, and a more in-depth study is warranted.

The GFS model hurricane track forecasts are just one piece of guidance that the NHC human forecasters use to generate the official track forecast, so the impact in a particular model guidance package does not directly translate to the same impact in the actual NHC officially issued track forecast. Additionally, QuikSCAT data are also used directly by forecasters at NHC and elsewhere, but this impact tends to be more difficult to quantify.

The aircraft are a very important hurricane operational and research tool, and no one involved in the QuikSCAT follow-on effort has ever said QuikSCAT (or its successor) should or could replace the role of the hurricane aircraft flights, just as no one has said that aircraft could replace the role of satellites. They are very complementary platforms, but they fulfill different roles.


It would be a shame if in the hubbub over Bill Proenza's push to get a replacement for the QuikSCAT satellite we lose sight of what all the scientists agree on--QuikSCAT is a vital tool in weather prediction that needs to be replaced with a better satellite. Both Dr. Atlas and Dr. Chang are working on research specifically designed to study just how much impact QuikSCAT has on landfalling hurricanes in the Atlantic, which no studies have yet quantified.

Read Margie' Kieper's View From the Surface Blog for more on the QuikSCAT/Bill Proenza matter.

Jeff Masters

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136. moonlightcowboy
10:52 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Bama <----------gets MLC vote!!! Go for it!
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135. bobw999
6:52 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
Geez hope it doesn't end up being like the presidential race....a new candidate added everyday

I'm already planning on voting for Proenza in 08.
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134. Drakoen
10:51 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
I'm sure the forecasters at the NHC who oppose Bill will get reprimanded. the cycle of life. You can't add fire to fire and expect it to go out...
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133. bobw999
6:51 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
Dramatic music plays

Its now time for your tropical update. Nothing is happening so its great for a cruise.

Head on commercial plays
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132. Bamatracker
10:50 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
alright guys....I'll do it. I'll go in there and run the NHC. LOL!!


Geez hope it doesn't end up being like the presidential race....a new candidate added everyday
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131. Tazmanian
3:48 PM PDT on July 06, 2007
: Drakoen am with you we dont need this right now at the nhc what if we had a cat 5 going right for the gulf coast and we had no one at the nhc to track it


i this saying if we had a cat 5 not saying we would have
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130. Drakoen
10:50 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
MLC they did it so fast i miss it lol.
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129. moonlightcowboy
10:44 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Tropical update now. lol, totally dismissed 96L.
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128. wunderwomen
6:48 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: Drakoen at 6:48 PM EDT on July 06, 2007.

Posted By: Tazmanian at 10:45 PM GMT on July 06, 2007.

well look like this could turn in to a big fight overe at the nhc so oh do you think will win the fight at the nhc bill or the nhc forcaster????

i hope they can work there differences and he can resign after the season is done. Not many people to replace him. We need him now to focus on the tropics and not this politcal mess.



they just wanted the attention and to cause more stress my gosh the news is all over it and wow they let it get out of hand
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127. Drakoen
10:46 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: Tazmanian at 10:45 PM GMT on July 06, 2007.

well look like this could turn in to a big fight overe at the nhc so oh do you think will win the fight at the nhc bill or the nhc forcaster????


i hope they can work there differences and he can resign after the season is done. Not many people to replace him. We need him now to focus on the tropics and not this politcal mess.
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126. wunderwomen
6:46 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
well we know this world is a materialistc world so of course it has to do with money and who is good enough
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124. Bamatracker
10:44 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: wunderwomen at 10:39 PM GMT on July 06, 2007.

there is a thing on nbc right now about proenza



Dr. Masters was on this story...just a quick on liner from a interview he did. Funny out much he gets out there though
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123. wunderwomen
6:45 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: bobw999 at 6:45 PM EDT on July 06, 2007.

Who even watches the weather channel when a hurricane hits them?? I sure don't, I like watching my local news.


me 2
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122. Tazmanian
3:43 PM PDT on July 06, 2007
well look like this could turn in to a big fight overe at the nhc so oh do you think will win the fight at the nhc bill or the nhc forcaster????
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121. Drakoen
10:43 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: bobw999 at 10:41 PM GMT on July 06, 2007.

the only thing they are good at with the tropics is talking about vacation spots.

So true!!! I always here them say its great to take a cruise. Secret advertising??


lol action behind the cameras....
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120. bobw999
6:44 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
Who even watches the weather channel when a hurricane hits them?? I sure don't, I like watching my local news.
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119. wunderwomen
6:43 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: IKE at 6:42 PM EDT on July 06, 2007.

Im not sure what u wanted me to think about that

Think whatever you want to. Just my opinion.

Ok lol i dint mean to sound like offensive or whatever i was just wandering u know but i understand what u mean i just think this whole thing had been blown way out of porportion
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118. Bamatracker
10:42 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Well if we dont like the weather channel. We dont have to watch it LOL!! I know i dont since I found this site. Besides i have satellite tv and dont get the "local on the 8's" so it dont bug me much.
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117. Drakoen
10:39 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: clwstmchasr at 10:38 PM GMT on July 06, 2007.

At night Dr Lyons is on and he does a much better job at talking about the tropics and what is and is not going on.

I do agree, they go into major drama mode when a storm is making landfall. It does get old watching Cantore for live from the coast for 3 days prior to landfall every 30 minutes.


Dr. Lyons is the best thing they got. I usually watch the tropics at night to see what he has to say. And yes i agree. The dramatize the situation so much its almost scary. Jim is out there standing in hurricane force winds and torrential rainfall for what? The camera almost always goes out and they loose the video feed. I guess they have money for that Up date there graphic system to show how much rain is falling and what the wind speed is like. I think we can here the winds through the shutter as well as the rain. Its nice when he out there when its not so fierce but there is a time to be outside and a time to be inside.
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116. IKE
5:41 PM CDT on July 06, 2007
Im not sure what u wanted me to think about that

Think whatever you want to. Just my opinion.
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115. bobw999
6:41 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
Bring back John Hope!!!
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114. Bamatracker
10:41 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
YEP bobw...they are there to make money...gotta keep those sponsors happy!!
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113. IKE
5:40 PM CDT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: clwstmchasr at 5:38 PM CDT on July 06, 2007.
At night Dr Lyons is on and he does a much better job at talking about the tropics and what is and is not going on.


I agree...he is good on weekend mornings and the evenings.
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112. CosmicEvents
10:34 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: IKE at 10:33 PM GMT on July 06, 2007.

Posted By: Drakoen at 5:29 PM CDT on July 06, 2007.
Cosmic even when there is a system there are very stingy and the up date last 60 seconds like IKE said. The only time they are usefull is when a tropical cyclone is making landfall. Then they go into 24 hour drama mode.


Then they go into..."storm alert" and that's about 90% of their discussion. .
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What they should do, is what they did when John Hope was there...before the 4 minute commercial/promo breaks...and talk about the tropics from the coast of Africa to the west pac.

Now they don't have the time and about half of their on-air mets are boring to listen to and spend half their time standing in front of a map you want them to get out of the way of.


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I agree to some extent with what both of you are saying. They do give more than 60 seconds when a cyclone is out there though. And the days of John Hope were better and less commercialized, but even Hope would have said, "Nothing doing, nothing coming in the next few days" and that would be the end. He wouldn't drone on about wind shear and SST's for 4 minutes every hour when there was NOTHING going on.
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111. wunderwomen
6:40 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
Their TWC...they promote the heck out of the importance of the tropics. At least present a 3 to 4 minute portion each hour to what's going on. Surely they can ad-lib that long. They USE to do it back in the 80's and 90's.

Im not sure what u wanted me to think about that
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110. bobw999
6:39 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
the only thing they are good at with the tropics is talking about vacation spots.

So true!!! I always here them say its great to take a cruise. Secret advertising??
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109. IKE
5:37 PM CDT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: wunderwomen at 5:37 PM CDT on July 06, 2007.
the reason they arent talking about the tropics is because there isnt anything out there strong enough to have to talk about those little things we keep talking about i mean come on its the beginning of July for pete's sake


Their TWC...they promote the heck out of the importance of the tropics. At least present a 3 to 4 minute portion each hour to what's going on. Surely they can ad-lib that long. They USE to do it back in the 80's and 90's.

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108. wunderwomen
6:39 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: Drakoen at 6:39 PM EDT on July 06, 2007.

lol wunderwomen do you ever here them say why it so inactive? Do you here them talk about the current pattern? the only thing they are good at with the tropics is talking about vacation spots. I'm glad that there is this blog to discuss the tropics and we have access to professional thoughts other than the NHC


i couldnt agree more really its just uhhh i just needed to vent lol
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107. Bamatracker
10:40 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
LOL>...there was Dr. Masters!!
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106. wunderwomen
6:39 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
there is a thing on nbc right now about proenza
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105. Drakoen
10:37 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
lol wunderwomen do you ever here them say why it so inactive? Do you here them talk about the current pattern? the only thing they are good at with the tropics is talking about vacation spots. I'm glad that there is this blog to discuss the tropics and we have access to professional thoughts other than the NHC.
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104. Bamatracker
10:37 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
I will admit that most of the general population doesnt care about the tropics unless its effecting them. So I think thats why they dont spend too much time on it.
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102. wunderwomen
6:35 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
the reason they arent talking about the tropics is because there isnt anything out there strong enough to have to talk about those little things we keep talking about i mean come on its the beginning of July for pete's sake
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101. IKE
5:36 PM CDT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: Bamatracker at 5:35 PM CDT on July 06, 2007.
my thoughts on the weather channel (shakes head) Thank god we have this web site and Dr. Masters blog. When it comes to the tropics they really aren't too aggressive in getting info out unless there is a landfall.


Agree 100%.
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100. Bamatracker
10:33 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
my thoughts on the weather channel (shakes head) Thank god we have this web site and Dr. Masters blog. When it comes to the tropics they really aren't too aggressive in getting info out unless there is a landfall.
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99. Drakoen
10:32 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Interesting thing. Yesterday i happened to pass thorugh the weather channel about the around the time of the Tropical Update on the Abrams and Bettes show (whatever it called). The guy i could almost swear didn't spend more than 30 seconds on what was happening in the tropics. And they talk so fast. They definately need to improve that. They are on how many hours a day they are on and can't devote a few more seconds/minutes to talk about the tropics. They are always so repetitve with there information, hourly.
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98. IKE
5:30 PM CDT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: Drakoen at 5:29 PM CDT on July 06, 2007.
Cosmic even when there is a system there are very stingy and the up date last 60 seconds like IKE said. The only time they are usefull is when a tropical cyclone is making landfall. Then they go into 24 hour drama mode.


Then they go into..."storm alert" and that's about 90% of their discussion.

What they should do, is what they did when John Hope was there...before the 4 minute commercial/promo breaks...and talk about the tropics from the coast of Africa to the west pac.

Now they don't have the time and about half of their on-air mets are boring to listen to and spend half their time standing in front of a map you want them to get out of the way of.
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97. Bamatracker
10:31 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
good point bobw...i was just thinking the same thing. It isn't the best time to bring in somebody from the outside. It will take them atleast a month to get even halfway acclimated to the job.
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96. wunderwomen
6:30 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: bobw999 at 6:30 PM EDT on July 06, 2007.

NOAA doesn't even have a replacement if they were to fire Proenza. This is not the best time to be doing this since the hurricane season is about to get active.
I want you to know that he has not made a hurricane forecast since 1964.

Well than Lixion Avila, why didn't you take the job??


I posted a similar thing in a differnt blog, i mean they probably have nobody to replace him.

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95. Drakoen
10:30 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Posted By: JFLORIDA at 10:28 PM GMT on July 06, 2007.

Saying "nothing is going on in the tropics" is not informing

exactly they don't give reasons why. How long does it take to explain what dry air and wind shear is???
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94. bobw999
6:26 PM EDT on July 06, 2007
NOAA doesn't even have a replacement if they were to fire Proenza. This is not the best time to be doing this since the hurricane season is about to get active.

I want you to know that he has not made a hurricane forecast since 1964.
Well than Lixion Avila, why didn't you take the job??
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93. Drakoen
10:28 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Cosmic even when there is a system there are very stingy and the up date last 60 seconds like IKE said. The only time they are usefull is when a tropical cyclone is making landfall. Then they go into 24 hour drama mode.
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91. gippgig
10:24 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
There's a very good article on hurricane research in the June 23 issue of Science News.
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90. Drakoen
10:25 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
yup Bamatracker
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88. sporteguy03
10:24 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
I still wonder what will happen if a Major Hurricane was heading towards East or Gulf Coast in the next two weeks before July 20th, if Mr.Proenza will go on tv and describe it or refuse to go or be muted? Knowing his actions he probably would go on tv. Would the NHC forecasters give him information for the public or be sneaky and sly with it?
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87. IKE
5:22 PM CDT on July 06, 2007
The Weather Channel has done in past years, and again this year, a fine job in informing the public about the tropics. They're not talking about 96L because there is nothing to talk about. They're not obsessed with every cloud bank that forms. It's not the Tropical Cyclone Channel, it's The Weather Channel.

That devotes 60 seconds an hour talking about the tropics.
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86. Bamatracker
10:22 PM GMT on July 06, 2007
Well now I dont think they could work together and really focus on the weather. They always are going to have that distrust towards each other deep down which could be a distraction. I think that Bill does need to go, but the staff needs to be repremanded for the way they handled the situation.
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.