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Hurricanes on other planets?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:55 PM GMT on November 13, 2006 +3
Saturn has joined Earth as the second planet known to harbor hurricane-like storms in its atmosphere. A huge, clockwise-rotating hurricane-like cyclone with a deep "eye" surrounded by towering "eyewall" clouds was discovered swirling directly over Saturn's south pole by the Cassini spacecraft, NASA announced Thursday. This "Saturnicane" is huge--about 2/3 the diameter of the Earth--and is composed of clouds of liquid ammonia. The 5000-mile diameter storm has an "eyewall" about 185 miles (300 km) across, which surrounds a 930 mile (1500 km) wide "eye". The "eyewall" clouds soar 20-45 miles above the "eye"--about 2-5 times higher than the eyewall clouds of Earthly hurricanes. Winds blow at 350 mph around the storm. I hope we never see a whopper of a storm like that on Earth!


Figure 1. October 11, 2006 "Saturnicane" observed by the Cassini spacecraft over the south pole of Saturn.

The Saturnicane's "eyewall" clouds appear to be formed by convection--the same process that helps form hurricane eyewall clouds on Earth. Heat from below warms the air, generating rising air currents. As this air rises, it expands and cools, condensing the gaseous ammonia into liquid ammonia clouds. NASA scientists speculate that the phenomena only occurs in summer, which is in full swing over Saturn's southern hemisphere at present. It is unclear whether the storm's "eye" and "eyewall" behave in a similar fashion to those features in Earthly hurricanes. The fact that the storm is anchored directly over the south pole and is not composed of water clouds must mean that there are significant differences from the hurricanes we are familiar with. In an interview with Yahoo, astrophysicist Michael Flasar said, "I'm hoping that as we puzzle over it, it will become even more exciting as we start to connect the dots in our brains. But right now, the wheels are a little creaky," Flasar said. "We're all arguing with each other about what it might or might not be."


Figure 1. The relative sizes of Earth (8000 miles in diameter), the October 11, 2006 "Saturnicane" (5000 miles in diameter), and Super Typhoon Tip of 1979 (1400 miles in diameter), the largest tropical cyclone ever observed on Earth.

What about other planets?
Mars also plays host to huge cyclones. These extratropical cyclones have clouds made of water ice, but do not resemble hurricanes. A Martian cyclone 1000 miles in diameter was observed in 1998 by the Hubble Space Telescope. The Great Red Spot on Jupiter is also a storm of huge dimensions with incredible wind speeds, but this storm is not hurricane-like--there is no "eyewall" surrounding a cloud-free "eye".


Figure 2. Martian cyclone 1000 miles in diameter spotted near Mars' north pole by the Hubble Space Telescope on April 27, 1999. Image credit: NASA and hubble.org.

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301. HIEXPRESS 2:20 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Some ominous looking radar returns with that line in MS coming into Panhandle FL, "S"hooks, tops 54,000'
WV - Battle Zone
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302. Patrap 2:23 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
IM back..lost power..Im getting Hammered..Tops to 40KLink
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303. Patrap 2:25 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Im at the 9oclock postion..in the Circle..Link
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304. Patrap 2:27 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Possible Tornadoes on N shore Lake.Washington & Tangipahoa Parishes.Lotsa wind translating down with these storms.SOn has 2;30 pm kickoff.
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305. HIEXPRESS 2:29 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Link Removed / Broken
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306. Skyepony (Mod) 2:30 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Morning all..
Randrewl you seen our local Hazard? Middle of the night for us, may be worth taking a nap.

Dr Masters may get some rough weather as well..suppose he's tent camping?

Hope no tsunomis come of that quake.
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307. Skyepony (Mod) 2:31 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
noticed the fsu page wasn't up to date on gfs & nogaps..look here for current.
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308. Skyepony (Mod) 2:34 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
I'm leaving the SPC link to the damage reports...they are rolling in already.

bbl
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309. Patrap 2:35 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Rough day all around Skyepony..This line ..or system pushing lotsa winds down to the surface.
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310. Patrap 2:36 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
I'll suppose those damage reports to get longer in a hurry.
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311. Patrap 2:39 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
GAle Warnings now Posted here Skye..till 6pm.For Lake Mauerpas and Lake Ponchatrain.Land areas too.Thats a blowing.
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312. Patrap 2:41 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Heres the Posted WU page for the area.Link
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313. Skyepony (Mod) 2:46 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Patrap~ The scary part for those to the east of you is how severe your having it...without the effects of daytime heating.
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314. Patrap 2:51 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Im in a break now..with round two coming..Link
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315. HIEXPRESS 2:52 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Sorry, lightning link above was OOS
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316. Patrap 2:53 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
May have to shut down again.No surge protection for my PC here in the trailer.Think we will ride this one out inside the house.
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317. FLCrackerGirl 3:15 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Take Care PAT.
Thanks ALL for Severe Weather Info.
You'All Rock!
FRAN
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318. sdcbassman 3:43 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Morning all ... Pat ... please take cover ... looks nasty for you over there! Also .. all clear on the tsunami in Japan ... they had 6 events ... highest was like 12-16 inches. Very good news.
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320. Patrap 3:55 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
We Okay here..Now just heavy rains...hope to get my Sons football game in at 2:30cst.
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321. Gatorgrrrl 3:56 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Pat it looks awful....just looked at Mobal's blog...BE CAREFUL!!
322. ProgressivePulse 3:58 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Eyewall Clearing out in Sergio!
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323. Patrap 3:58 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
We will Gator.Lotsa rain now.
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324. Patrap 4:08 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
New Tornado watch Boxes..as it moves up and east.Link
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326. hurricane23 4:35 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Good afternoon,

Here are a couple of picks of Hurricane Sergio as its CDO becomes more cymetrical with time.




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327. hurricane23 4:41 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Here's one more from NRL...

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328. Oreodog 4:47 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
Hurricane Sergio Special Discussion Number 8

Statement as of 9:00 am PST on November 15, 2006



this special advisory is being issued to reflect that Sergio has
intensified to 85 knots. This is based on the development of a
pinhole eye and objective Dvorak-T-numbers. The intensity forecast
has been a conservatively adjusted accordingly and the initial and
12 hour wind radii have been expanded. No change in forecast track
is indicated.

A PINHOLE EYE!!
329. HIEXPRESS 4:57 PM GMT on November 15, 2006    
It does look stronger. 12:00 EST
"ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 975 MB
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 85 KT WITH GUSTS TO 105 KT."

who has the pool?
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.

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