Hurricane Katrina death toll raised to 1823

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 10:09 PM GMT on May 23, 2006

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Louisiana raised its official death toll from Hurricane Katrina by 281 to 1,577, according to an Associated Press article from May 19. The Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals decided decided that deaths caused by the stress and trauma associated with relocating or an accidental injury during travel should be counted as a Katrina-related death. This would bring the death toll from Katrina to 1823, when including the 228 deaths in Mississippi, 14 in Florida, 2 in Georgia, and 2 in Alabama. It is unlikely that the National Hurricane Center will consider these deaths part of the official death toll, but regardless, Katrina is the third deadliest hurricane ever to hit the U.S.

Low pressure in the Gulf of Mexico
Extensive cloudiness and thunderstorm activity continue in the Gulf of Mexico, where an upper-level area of low pressure sits. Wind shear is too high in the Gulf to allow tropical development of this system, and wind shear is expected to stay high for at least the next week over the Gulf. Tropical storm formation is not likely in the Atlantic for at least the next week, and probably longer. The GFS model is indicating that a stong subtropical jet stream will blow across the Gulf for the next two weeks, which should create too much shear for a tropical storm to develop.

I'll be back tomorrow with my article on the new global warming ads being aired by the fossil fuel industry.

Jeff Masters

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98. TampaSteve
9:35 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
80-90 miles South of us was close enough, BTW...
97. TampaSteve
9:34 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
About a 2% annual risk of a major hurricane passing within 100 miles of Tampa Bay. Well, Charley was a strong Cat 4 and made landfall about 80-90 miles south of us.
95. fredwx
3:37 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
Historical Risk that a tropical storm or hurricane will pass within 100 miles of your location during June.

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93. WSI
3:29 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
92. CryptKicker
3:29 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
"Wind shear is too high in the Gulf to allow tropical development of this system, and wind shear is expected to stay high for at least the next week over the Gulf."

Wasn't there several times last season when tropical storms developed in areas of "too high" wind shear?
91. FLCrackerGirl
3:28 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
53rdRecon, Excellent Post! Very Well Said.
The Aftermath of a Storm is Utterly Humbling.

Been There, Done That...
Next Time: Evac & Be Prepared!

Campaign for FL Hurricane Preparedness
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89. louastu
3:24 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
The death in Kentucky was a result of flooding. The 2 deaths in Ohio are listed as indirect deaths, and my best guess is they were killed while trying to evacuate a low lying area.

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87. squeak
3:13 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
In the obits in the MS Press and Sun Herald, in the weeks after the storm, there were many older people who passed away in that timeframe, and even though it was not on the day the hurricane hit, but after, I assumed that a number of these deaths were indirectly related to the hurricane. It seems appropriate that these be noted, but counted as a separate statistic.
85. SavannahStorm
3:07 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
It doesn't seam to be as severe this year, SJ. I watch the water vapor loops like a hawk and every once in awhile a little trough will push a puff of dry air off the coast, but its nothing like the jet of dusty air coming off the coast of Africa last year.

A point, though, about the dust. It doesn't make the air dry. In the case of the Saharan dust it's just going along for the ride with a push of dry air. In fact, if the dust were to wind up in humid air it would actually increase convection because the dust gives wator vapor particles to latch onto and make water droplets.
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84. StormJunkie
2:41 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
You are correct, I did see where it says it can cause shear. Does anyone else have any input on the severity of the dust this year?

SJ
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83. 53rdWeatherRECON
2:35 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
Cregnebaa I hear you.

By the way obviously my tribulations are nil compared to some/most. Loosing a home, a loved one, a friend would naturally be the worst thing to deal with durring the post storm events. But I hope that anyone that reads this that has not been through one of these personnally or had been through one many years ago realizes the "whole" picture. Be prepared.
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82. Cregnebaa
2:21 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
53rdweather I hear you, we had about 6-8weeks of no power or water and no breeze after Ivan, I think they could smell us in Cancun
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80. StormJunkie
2:15 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
I just don't see where it is causing a lot of shear right now, nor do I see where there is a ton of dust out there. Michael.

SJ
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77. StormJunkie
2:03 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
The dust does not look to be as bad as last year and I am not sure about the shear thing Micheal. It seems that the shear is lowest in that part of the Atlantic right now, so I am not sure what you are referencing?

SJ
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76. 53rdWeatherRECON
1:48 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
Ok, I love all the story's about how you made it through this hurricane or that 5 or 10 years ago. But let me tell/remind every one here that the storm it self albeit the worse (destructive/scary) part of it passes in my opinion pretty quickly.

But that is not the worst part. The worst part is living in Florida (or any other gulf state) where the daily average temps at this time of year are 85-90 degrees with 100% humidity. When power is out to a million plus customers this means Gas Stations Grocery stores McDonalds all of it CLOSED. I was so humbled by the events following the Florida storms. I would have given you a cell phone or a 32"TV for a cup of ICE. I would have given up my car, which ran out of gas while I was searching for more after the SIXTH day, For an hour of sleep in AIR CONDITIONING. I would have paid (good money) for a HOT SHOWER.

Then it gets worse. Then the weather station says that another "System" is building strenght and may head "this way". The panic stricken public proceeds to buy up WHAT IS LEFT of the availible gas/water/canned foods/Plywood/flashligts/batteries/propane
Standing/waiting in gas lines a mile long for gas that was $3.50 a gallon and we were only alowed 15 gallons.

My opinion was that the storms themselves were actually pretty amazing (remember the worst we saw was CAT4 Charley/Ivan) (I would never have stayed if they had even a voluntary evac of my area).

The weeks after were way worse.

I saved my vacation time this year so that if anything heads anywhere near here You will be able to find me in Tennessee at a Hotel.
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75. NOLAinNC
1:25 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
Gosh, this is such a sad discussion. But we need to talk about this. I agree that there are probably many, many people unaccounted for in these various death tolls.

Orion, if another hurricane even comes near New Orleans, it will throw the city into an economic tailspin. But the city will survive. SF survived the 1906 quake, Manhattan survived 9/11, New Orleans will return (and in some respects it already has.)

As a nation and a world, we need to examine the consequences of redirecting Mother Nature (for example, the Mississippi River) dredging wetlands, and creating massive urban sprawl. We need to be honest about our impact on the environment, even if we don't like the implications (less consumption, smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars) We need to care more about our neighbors and less about our own (extreme) comfort (now I'm starting to sound preachy!!)

OK, time to drink more coffee and get to work.

-NOLA
73. Boca
1:16 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
Any info on the sands coming off of Africa?
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72. KShurricane
1:13 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
"This would bring the death toll from Katrina to 1823, when including the 228 deaths in Mississippi, 14 in Florida, 2 in Georgia, and 2 in Alabama. It is unlikely that the National Hurricane Center will consider these deaths part of the official death toll"

Why not?
71. oriondarkwood
1:10 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
I was watching Discover channel last night and they had a special on what would happen if a Cat 3 hit NYC dead on. Got me thinking of a few things:

* If Katrina had hit at its peak the death toll could easily be 10 times as much

* The real death toll as some said will never be fully know ditto with 9/11 simply because some bodies will never been found or ID'ed not to mention all the illegals and homeless in both areas that are not part of the "system"

* If (insert deity here) forbid another major hurricane was to strike NOLA would the city still remain or would it dispear under nature's fury
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70. BenRMac
12:59 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
GPT- I am glad to hear that things are improving still in the area. I spent a couple months with the Hands On group working down there, and it was simply overwhelming to see the scale of damage. I want to ask you about a story that I heard while working with the animal shelter there, the one that used to be north of the airport but is now relocated. One of the people that lived there was telling us stories about the days after the storm, and she said that she saw hundreds of bodies laid out in parking lots and other areas by recovery workers. She said that the "official" totals for MS are bullshit, and that many, many more died there. She did seem to be a little overenthusiastic and also traumatized, but I do have to agree after seeing the scale of damage that the official numbers seem awfully low. With the sheer number of homes and apartment complexes that just disappeared on the 70+ miles of coast, I would have expected much more.

To everyone, does anyone know what the time line is for the missing people to be declared dead? There are still a lot of those, and like was mentioned above many may never be found. They were still finding bodies when I was down there in late March, and large areas of New Orleans and St. Bernard Parish have not been thoroughly searched.

69. JeffStang
12:39 PM GMT on May 24, 2006
Along the MS Gulf Coast, there is a large Vietnamese community. These guys (and sometimes the entire family) will ride out a storm on their shrimp boats. There were many dead on the Industrial Canal in Gulfport yet none are listed in the Sun Herald's death toll list. The most obvious reason for this is that many old timers in the Vietnamese community (because of Communism) do not trust the government, they "fly under the radar". Most do not speak English, even after being here since '75. The kids translate for them. Anyway, there was not one name listed as dead and yet there were many reports of people finding entire families dead on submerged shrimp boats. The authorities will never truly know the true death numbers.
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68. outrocket
11:49 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
Michael..I love books but one thing I have learned is all books of fact constantly update and cant be taken as fact forever......
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66. outrocket
11:46 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
there is still a missing list along the La,Ms coast line..and yes some people who were alone in the world may never be missed,sad but true...
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61. outrocket
11:35 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
sometimes in storms like Katrina and Camille with high storm surges bodys are not found for months ,years and some never ..Some are washed inland into wooded areas and some washed to sea...So your answer is there Michael.It mat take 10 years for that number to stop growing...
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57. SavannahStorm
4:55 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
Monster wave about to emerge off of Africa. Looks like the ITCZ is starting to make its shift north.
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56. Tazmanian
3:06 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
taco2me61 do you want to talk with me in you no where?
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55. GRDRATNAVARRE
3:05 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
Cosmic, I remember this blog passing information to family and friends trying to get in touch with one another. This blog is as educational as it is a public service, thank God. Thanks to the Doc and all that opine. I'm out.
54. taco2me61
3:03 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
Cosmic,

All I can say is Thank You>>>>Well Said<<<<<



Taco:0)


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53. taco2me61
2:59 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
Navarre,

The reason for the Crickets was because no one was chating and like being out side after dark and if it is real quite you here crickets...LOL


Taco:0)
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52. CosmicEvents
2:58 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
Posted By: Raysfan70 at 11:30 PM GMT on May 23, 2006.
"GET OVER IT"

I am beside myself more then any of you can imagine.

It seems there are two sides to every story, yet folks just don’t get the “golden rule”.

Bloggers who supported Tony when many of us couldn’t understand WHY he was home when his newborn was “deathly ill and in the hospital”, and when his wife was in the hospital after an accident and “possibly losing a 36 week fetus”(doctors will take them by emergency C-section at 26 weeks as I have seen this in my own family, babys are fine.) You all gave some of us hell because we questioned him and his mental health.

Yet these same bloggers are “chewing to pieces” another blogger (Stormtop) who posted his thoughts on the hurricane season last year, including going through one himself. Wether some came true or not.

This does not seem fair. Accept what others think of things, if you disagree, say so an get over it, including any further reply to them or about them.

We all really came together last year and became a family of some sort, and we’ll need each other this year too.


If you disagree with others, that’s OK, just let it go and move on to something else. It is unfair to criticize one blogger for disagreeing and then posting negative comments against another.

Some may agree with this and some may not and that is fine.

Just my 2 cents.


I disagree Ray....I think we spent over 50% of the time last year being preocupied by the personalities on this blog.....and we never did come together as a family of any sort....except some dysfunctional family. It's a terrible shame too, because if it wasn't for the diversions provided by Lefty/leftyy, Stormtop, the troubled youth, others, and the many made up characters provided by these people or others....it's very possible that we could have come together as a family.....and more importantly, we most likely could have saved an extra life or 2.
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As this season starts, let's hope that we can do more good, and be rid of the multiple personalities and soap operas. And let's all be safe.
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51. sayhuh
2:55 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
Check this out..lol..UKMET Future Low 50. Future warm core low forming in the plains.
50. GRDRATNAVARRE
2:46 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
I got a direct hit from Dennis, the tower recording 120 mph wind was less than 1 mile from where I lived at the time. If you were in Gulf Breeze you know what damage can be (Ivan) or on the water between Navarre and there. Don't get the crickets thing?
49. Hellsniper223
2:30 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
heh, almost got a direct hit from Dennis last year... That storm was... Fun. And it didn't seem like there was mutch dammage at all. Well, actually i couldn't tell because the dammage from Ivan was all mixed in with the dammage from Dennis.
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48. taco2me61
2:27 AM GMT on May 24, 2006
Hellsniper223,

Yes I also say sometime around the 15th-18th will be our first storm of the year... But we will have to wait and see...


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