Are Category 4 and 5 hurricanes increasing in number?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:36 PM GMT on March 27, 2006

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In September 2005, a paper published in Science magazine reported that worldwide, the number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes had increased 80% in the past 30 years. The paper, (Webster et al., 2005), titled "Changes in Tropical Cyclone Number, Duration, and Intensity in a Warming Environment", linked the rise in storms to increasing sea surface temperatures and concluded that "global data indicate a 30-year trend toward more frequent and intense hurricanes." The authors, led by Dr. Peter Webster of Georgia Tech and Dr. Greg Holland of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, argued that this was consistent with climate models that have predicted a future increase in frequency of the most intense hurricanes due to human-emitted greenhouse gases. This paper, along with another paper published in August, "Increasing Destructiveness of Tropical Cyclones over the past 30 years", by Dr. Kerry Emanuel of MIT, showing an increase in hurricane power and longevity in recent years, created a huge stir in the media. However, there is a large amount of uncertainty in the hurricane intensity data used by both papers, and their findings should be considered as preliminary evidence that the global incidence of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes may be increasing. There are good reasons to believe that the actual increase in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes is far lower than the 80% increase found by Webster et al.



Figure 1. Dr. Chris Landsea (right) and Dr. Greg Holland (left) presented their papers on the hurricane/global warming controversy at a January 31, 2006 session of the annual meeting of the American Meteorological Society. The standing-room only crowd was treated to a clash of opinions about whether hurricane intensity is being affected by global warming.

Other hurricane scientists disagree
The papers by Webster et al. and Emanuel have created considerable controversy in the hurricane science community. Many hurricane scientists disagree with the new results, and have disputed them in new papers submitted for publication. I will examine the arguments of three of these scientists here. Keep in mind that the Webster et al. paper went through peer review--it was revised based on the recommendations of at least two anonymous reviewers who read the paper before publication. The arguments of the other scientists disputing the paper have not been subject to peer review, and may have more errors or omissions than peer-reviewed work would have. The three scientists are:

Dr. Bill Gray of Colorado State University, who is famous for his successful long-range hurricane predictions and nearly 50 years of hurricane research and forecasting, submitted his critique to Science for publication, but the journal rejected it, since the document had already been published (on Dr. Gray's web site). Journals typically do not publish material that has been published elsewhere. In his abstract, Dr. Gray says: "I do not agree that global Category 4-5 tropical cyclone activity has been rising, except in the Atlantic over the last 11 years. The recent Atlantic upsurge has explanations other than global temperature rise".

Dr. Chris Landsea, Science and Operations Officer at the National Hurricane Center, chaired a standing-room only session exploring the hurricanes/global warming connection at the 2006 meeting of the American Meteorological Society (AMS). He presented a talk with additional evidence supporting Dr. Gray's position.

Dr. John Knaff, a hurricane researcher at the NOAA/Cooperative Institute for Research in the Atmosphere Colorado State University, has performed an extensive re-analysis of Northwest Pacific typhoons, and questions the intensity estimates used by Webster et al. for typhoons during the period 1966-1987. His paper, "Reexamination of Tropical Cyclone Wind-Pressure Relationships" has been accepted for publication to Weather and Forecasting, and will probably be published in late 2006.

Who are Webster et al.?
Lets examine the credentials of the Science paper's authors. The primary author, Dr. Peter Webster of Georgia Tech, holds a Ph.D. from MIT and has received the most prestigious award issued by the American Meteorology Society--the Carl Gustav Rossby Research award. Webster's primary expertise is not hurricanes--he has mostly studied monsoons. However, the second author, Dr. Greg Holland of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, is a hurricane expert. He earned his Ph.D. in 1983 at Colorado State as a student of Dr. Bill Gray, and has authored over 100 hurricane-related journals articles or book chapters. One of the other co-authors, Dr. Judith Curry, is the Chair of the Georgia Tech School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences. So, the paper's authors have a track record of producing high-quality research that should be taken seriously.

The theoretical basis for connecting hurricane intensity and global warming
Hurricanes act as giant heat engines, so it is logical to assume that an increase in sea surface temperatures (SSTs) will make more intense hurricanes. Indeed, there is a general consensus among hurricane scientists that an increase in SSTs due to global warming, should, in theory, lead to more intense hurricanes. Theory predicts that hurricane wind speeds should increase about 5% for every 1 degree Centigrade increase in tropical ocean temperature (Emanuel, 1987). Computer models confirm this tendency, but assign a slightly smaller magnitude to the increase (Knutson and Tuleya, 2004). Given the expected 1.5� to 4.5� C warming of Earth's climate expected by 2100, theory predicts a gradually increasing frequency of Category 4 and 5 storms.

Global warming in the past century has increased ocean temperatures about 1�F (0.5�C) which should correspond at most to about a 2.5% increase in hurricane wind speeds. If this theory is correct, an upper-end Category 3 hurricane with wind speeds of 130 mph--like Hurricane Katrina at landfall--owes 2-3 mph of its sustained winds to global warming. Hurricane wind speeds are estimated to the nearest 5 knots (5.8 mph), and one can get a general idea of what percent increase we've seen in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes due to global warming by looking at the number of high end Category 3 hurricanes (winds of 130 mph) and low end Category 4 hurricanes (135 mph winds). If we assume a 2-3 mph increase in winds of these storms is due to global warming over the past 35 years, one would expect to see a 5% increase at most in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes. An increase this small is not detectable given the current accuracy of estimating hurricane winds, and the relatively few number of of these storms that occur each year. This expected maximum 5% increase is quite a disagreement with the 80% increase found by Webster et al.! So, either the measurements are wrong, or the theory is wrong--or a combination of the two. I believe it may well be a combination of the two. The fact that the originator of the intensity theory (Kerry Emanuel) is one of the scientists who is advocating that the theory may be in error, is reason enough to doubt the theory. The formation and intensification of hurricanes are not well understood, and it would be no surprise if major revisions to intensity theory are made in the future. However, such a wide difference between the theory and the reported trends should make us suspicious of the observed data, as well.

Sea Surface Temperatures have increased since 1970
Webster et al. show a plot (Figure 2) of the sea surface temperature (SST) in the six major ocean basins that support tropical cyclones. Since 1970, SSTs in all the oceans have risen by up to .5� C. The paper chooses to look only at the period from 1970 to the present, since 1970 is the approximate time when global satellite measurements of tropical cyclone intensity became available. Before 1970, there are reliable intensity measurements only in the Atlantic and Northwest Pacific, thanks to the Hurricane Hunters. These measurements began in 1944 in the Atlantic and 1945 in the Northwest Pacific (but stopped in 1987 in the Pacific).



Figure 2. Running 5-year mean of SST during the respective hurricane seasons for the principal ocean basins in which hurricanes occur: the North Atlantic Ocean (NATL: 90� to 20�E, 5� to 25�N, June-October), the Western Pacific Ocean (WPAC: 120� to 180�E, 5� to 20�N, May-December), the East Pacific Ocean (EPAC: 90� to 120�W, 5� to 20�N, June-October), the Southwest Pacific Ocean (SPAC: 155� to 180�E, 5� to 20�S, December-April), the North Indian Ocean (NIO: 55� to 90�E, 5� to 20�N, April-May and September-November), and the South Indian Ocean (SIO: 50� to 115�E, 5� to 20�S, November-April). Reprinted with permission from SCIENCE 309:1844-1846 � 2005 AAAS. Permission from AAAS is required for all other uses.

The global number of hurricanes has not increased

Webster et al. also present plots of the global frequency of tropical storms, hurricanes, and the number of days those storms are present (Figure 3). No trend is apparent in these plots, and the paper states that "against a backdrop of increasing SST, no global trend has yet emerged in the number of tropical storms and hurricanes." So far, all hurricane scientists are in agreement.



Figure 3. Global time series for 1970-2004 of (A) number of storms and (B) number of storm days for tropical cyclones (hurricanes plus tropical storms; black curves), hurricanes (red curves), and tropical storms (blue curves). Contours indicate the year-by-year variability, and the bold curves show the 5-year running average. Reprinted with permission from SCIENCE 309:1844-1846 � 2005 AAAS. Permission from AAAS is required for all other uses.

An 80% increase in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes?

Webster et al. present a plot (Figure 4) where of the number of Category 1, Category 2 and 3, and Category 4 and 5 storms, averaged into 5-year "pentads". The results show little change in the statistics of Category 1, 2, and 3 hurricanes, but a startling increase in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes. These most intense and dangerous storms on Earth have increased from 50 per five-year period in the 1970s, to 90 in the past decade--a near doubling!



Figure 4. Intensity of hurricanes according to the Saffir-Simpson scale (categories 1 to 5). (A) The total number of category 1 storms (blue curve), the sum of categories 2 and 3 (green), and the sum of categories 4 and 5 (red) in 5-year periods. The bold curve is the maximum hurricane wind speed observed globally (measured in meters per second). The horizontal dashed lines show the 1970-2004 average numbers in each category. (B) Same as (A), except for the percent of the total number of hurricanes in each category class. Dashed lines show average percentages in each category over the 1970-2004 period. Reprinted with permission from SCIENCE 309:1844-1846 � 2005 AAAS. Permission from AAAS is required for all other uses.

An 80% increase in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes? Not!

Here's where the critics of Webster et al. differ. Let's look at the criticisms one ocean basin at a time. First: the Southern Hemisphere oceans, and the part of the Indian Ocean in the Northern Hemisphere. These regions are responsible for 25% of the world's Category 4 and 5 hurricanes. Dr. Gray criticizes the quality of the data in the Indian Ocean and Southern Hemisphere ocean basins during the period 1975-1989, remarking: "In the late 1970s I visited all the global tropical cyclone centers and observed their satellite capabilities and the training of their forecasters as part of a World Meteorological Organization (WMO) tropical cyclone trip that I was commissioned to make. The satellite tools and forecaster training in the tropical cyclone regions of the Indian Ocean and Southern Hemisphere during the 1975-1989 period was not adequate for the task of objectively distinguishing Category 4-5 hurricanes from Category 3 hurricanes or to always be able to confidently distinguish Category 4-5 hurricanes from Category 1-2 hurricanes." Dr. Gray does not provide any details about how how this lack of training could have led to a systematic error in classifying too few storms at Category 4 and 5 intensity. However, Dr. Landsea did cite an example of this in his talk at the 2006 American Meteorological Society meeting--for a number of years after 1974's Tropical Cyclone Tracy devastated Darwin, the Australians never assigned an intensity higher than Tracy to any storm because they believed Tracy was the strongest a storm could be in the Australian region. Tracy was a weak Category 4 cyclone with 135 mph winds and a 954 mb pressure. This was a false assumption, as many cyclones stronger than Tracy have formed in Australian waters.

This brings up the most serious weakness in the Webster et al. paper--they do very little discussion of the uncertainty in hurricane intensity measurements. Hurricane intensity is characterized by a 1-minute measurement of maximum sustained winds at ten meters above the surface. In practice, this quantity is virtually never measured, but must be inferred indirectly from other measurements. All of these inferred measurements of wind speeds have errors. Satellite estimates of hurricane intensity are often wrong by a full category on the Saffir-Simpson scale--or even two categories. This is particularly true when there are only two geostationary satellites covering the Earth, as was the case for much of the 1970s, and part of the 1980s. I learned this the hard way during my stint with the Hurricane Hunters when I flew into Hurricane Hugo in 1989 expecting a Category 3 hurricane based on satellite estimates. The problem was that one of the GOES satellites had failed earlier that year, leaving just one satellite to cover all of the U.S. and Atlantic Ocean. This one satellite was positioned much farther west in order to see all the way to California, and thus had a poor, oblique view of hurricanes out over the Atlantic. If a satellite can't see all the way to the bottom of the eye of a hurricane because of an oblique viewing angle, it will come up with an eye temperature that is too cool, and thus an intensity estimate that is too low. Hugo turned out to be a Category 5, and made us pay dearly for our mistake. Similarly, a systematic underestimation of hurricane intensities in the 1970s is quite possible, due to the oblique viewing angle that the relatively few geostationary satellites afforded during that period.

Furthermore, Dr. Landsea argued, the technique used to perform satellite estimation in all ocean basins of hurricane intensity (the Dvorak technique) did not even get invented until 1972--two years after the start of the data used by Webster et al. It wasn't until 1984 that the Dvorak technique was extended to infrared satellite imagery. So, between 1972 and 1984, all satellite hurricane intensity estimates were done on visible satellite imagery, and were unavailable at night. In addition, measurement errors from the first generation of infrared satellite instruments was much higher, since their resolution was a relatively poor 9 km--compared to the 4 km resolution of today's instruments. Dr. Landsea called for a major re-analysis effort of the old satellite photos from the 1970s and 1980s to try to quantify some of these errors. He argued that his preliminary look at old satellite images from the Northern Indian Ocean from 1970 to 1989 had already revealed five additional storms that may have been Category 4 or 5. Webster et al. found only one Category 4 or 5 hurricane for this time period there. Dr. Landsea suggested that until a full re-analysis took place in all ocean basins, the quality of the historical global hurricane intensity data was not high enough to be able to see a possible increase in the number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes.



Figure 5. Number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes in the Indian Ocean and Southwest Pacific Ocean (off the east coast of Australia) since 1970. A a rather dramatic rise in recent years is apparent. Data from 1970-2002 are taken from a reanalysis of available data from Australia, Fiji, and the Joint Typhoon Warning Center, done by Charlie Neumann. All the data used in the Webster et al. study are available from Dr. Judith Curry's web page.

Dr. Holland spoke after Dr. Landsea, and agreed that a major re-analysis effort was needed in order to help quantify some of the errors in hurricane intensities. He rebutted Dr. Landsea's arguments by pointing out that given the very large rise in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes in the Southern Hemisphere and Indian Oceans, about 50% of all Category 1 and 2 hurricanes would have to be re-analyzed as Category 4 and 5 storms to invalidate their results in that region. While acknowledging the the data was bad in the 1970s, he maintained that nobody thought it was that bad.

Summary of the Southern Hemisphere and Indian Ocean data

If we restrict ourselves to just looking at the Southern Hemisphere and Indian Ocean data since 1989--the date when everyone agrees that the data quality is reasonable--there is not enough data to be sure of any kind of trend (Figure 5). So until better intensity estimates of hurricanes in the Indian Ocean and Southern Hemisphere ocean basins from 1970-1989 are available, one should view the results of Webster et al. with caution for these regions. Still, there is such a large increase in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes that it is unlikely that re-analysis will find that all of this increase in unreal.

--To be continued Tuesday afternoon--

Jeff Masters

References
Emanuel, K.A., "The dependence of hurricane intensity on climate", Nature, 326, 483-485, 1987.

Emanuel, K.A., "Increasing Destructiveness of Tropical Cyclones over the past 30 years, Nature, 436, 686-688, 4 August 2005.

Knaff, J.A., and R.M. Zehr, "Reexamination of Tropical Cyclone Wind-Pressure Relationships", accepted to Weather and Forecasting, 2006.

Knutson, T.R., and R.E. Tuleya, "Impact of CO2-Induced Warming on Hurricane Intensity and Precipitation: Sensitivity to the Choice of Climate Model and Convective Parameterization," Journal of Climate 17, 18: 3477-3495, 2004. http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/reference/bibliography/20 04/tk0401.pdf

Webster, P.J., G.J. Holland, J.A. Curry, and H.-R. Chang, "Changes in Tropical Cyclone Number, Duration, and Intensity in a Warming Environment", Science, 309, 1844,1846, 16 September 2005.

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92. ForecasterColby
6:04 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
The everglades can mitigate a storm's weakening, Katrina is another example, but they're not warm/moist enough to allow a storm to strengthen.
91. desparateinfla
6:02 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
That would be the fastest way to see if it's a cause even if it takes years. It would take much more time to get all the correct data in place to say if it's 'absolutely' the cause and then do something about it. And if everyone did a little something in that regard it would help the planet immensely. Signing off now, sorry to disrupt your blog.
90. rwdobson
5:16 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
well, yeah, in that case a partial solution is to stop emitting so much CO2 and other greenhouse gases. who knows how much that would help but it's a start....
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89. desparateinfla
5:02 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
Wrong choice of words. Let me clarify: solution = lessen a hurricanes devastating effects (wind speed, duration (Frances) etc. and/or redirect it's path to open ocean.
IF the recent overly-active seasons are a result of "global warming" then finding a "solution" to that would be a way to treat the cause and not the symptoms, IF it is a major factor. Mankind has found "solutions" to all kinds of things and will someday (hopefully in my lifetime) find a way to relieve some of the devasting effects of huricanes. Sorry to confuse you
88. rwdobson
4:25 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
there is no "solution" to storms. they happen.
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87. desparateinfla
4:21 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
i realize this is a serious site and that there are multiple brilliant minds trying to find answers and solutions to hurricane phenomena. But as a Florida resident that is sick and TIRED of these events and all the work, physical and psychological agony, and financial wipeouts I have experienced for the last few years I have become desparate! I thought I'd throw in some desparate ideas that those of us in hurricane land have been tossing around (just for fun)
1.) When a hurricane watch is issued for us, we should all make as many large blocks of ice in our freezers and release them in the currents that will take them to the cane. Couldn't hurt to try.
2.) When a hurricane watch is is issued for us all the men need to buy beer and beans and all the women need to put on their bikinis and head for the coast where the hurricane is approaching. Drink the beer, eat LOTS of beans and face your tush to the ocean and blow the damn thing somewhere else! (the bikinis are so ALL of the men show up, they are much better at this)
I feel bad now, this is such a serious issue and a serious site but Wilma was the last straw, she took what was left of my mind. Hope at least you all had a laugh.
keep up the good work and PLEASE find a real solution.

ALSO!!! There is a theory around here that Wilma unexpectedly strengthened because she passed over the really warm waters of the everglades (same with Irene) Any (serious) thoughts on this?
85. Jedkins
4:08 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
Cyclone buster needs to get a life instead of trying to find a way to elminate a hurricane,there are ways but I know in some way it will SURELY turn ot bad and harmfull in some way or form over time.......
84. ForecasterColby
4:04 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
I just looked at Glenda...OMG...I'd say the Wilma comparison is appropriate O_O
83. rwdobson
4:01 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
"Actually its ashame we can't take all the carbon dioxide that's being blamed for global warming and compress it (like they do in fire extinguishers), then release it as nice cold gas near the coastal regions under water"

well, a lot of the CO2 does get dissolved in the ocean...and since CO2 is an acid, you don't really want to be adding it in large quantities to the ocean even if you could...
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81. caneman
3:48 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
I predict weather will happen tomorrow. The Caneman Super Ensemble guaratees it!
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80. HurricaneMyles
3:44 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
I'm not sure if this is the strogest storm around Australia or in the Indian Ocean, but I doubt it.
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79. Finnmet
3:30 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
Is somebody who know if in the Indian Ocean was a cyclone more stronger than Glenda or this is the strongest cyclone ever registred in this part of the world?
76. ForecasterColby
12:14 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
Even warmer ahead of the storm!

75. ForecasterColby
12:08 PM GMT on March 28, 2006
OMGGG @ Glenda! I just woke up and...DANG!!

74. Finnmet
11:58 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
At this moment Glenda is more powerfull than Ingrid and Larry.JTWC says that Glenda will be a 150 kts cyclone in 24 hours.I hope she didn't make the landfall at this intesity.This is a real Katrina for Australia and it's another destructive hurricane with women name!
73. HurricaneMyles
7:40 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
That is an eye truly remenisant of Wilma. It must be less then 5 miles wide.
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72. Trouper415
7:20 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
Nice post Jeff.

Some fast intensification out of Glenda. Hope it doesnt hit land.

Giants in 06
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70. avlos
7:07 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
i believe that by far the largest flaw in Webster et al. is that 30 years is such a small timeframe of observation. Period. With such long period oscillations (AMO) a proper scientific evaluation would need to observe a number of them consecutively to come to a somewhat definitive conclusion. Also I feel that many variables are left out, as the Saffir - Simpson is a very limited tool when it comes to tropical cyclone strength. It does not touch the size of storms, their longetivity, or their average strength of their lifetime. Just to name a few.
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68. F5
4:13 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
There's no love lost between Judith Curry and Bill Gray. The whole debate has gotten quite cantankerous

Link

Hmmm, sounds like the global warming debate in general.
66. Skyepony (Mod)
3:53 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
Sarah~ that was wierd we were thinkin ENSO at the same time... Took me a minute to find it~ ENSO cycle 1950-present
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65. Skyepony (Mod)
3:41 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
It's monday~ weekly ENSO report is out...

Credit NOAA

Good News, atleast slight weakening in all 4 areas last week, though it's not predicted for this to be an ongoing trend.
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64. SarahFromFLA
3:38 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
Sorry to go off topic, but can any of you point me to a site that lists La Nina years in recent times?
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63. Scotth
3:13 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
I'm on it cyclonebuster! and I'm outta here. Have a great night ya'll.
Scott
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62. phelp
3:07 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
Dr. Masters,
You mention that hurricanes are a heat engine. Kerry Emanuel has often described them as a carnot cycle (i.e. heat engine). Therefore, your discussion focuing only on SST increase may not be accurate, becasue the intensity of hurricanes also depends on the lower stratospheric temperature. However, many models predict that this may warm more than the sea surface, so there might actually be a lowering of the total number of hurricanes and/or their intensity for future increased CO2 climates due to the increased stability.
58. Scotth
3:00 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
Yes but I'll only sign on to the project if you can prove the tunnels work. So, it sounds like you have some homework to do.
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56. Scotth
2:54 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
cyclonebuster - I was figuring that your tunnels would cause cold water to rise to the surface, thereby cooling the air and my jet engine exhaust would kind of cancel out that cool air.

Skyepony - I think they're season is supposed to be winding down about now. But go figure...ours was supposed to wind down around October last year wasn't it? So...who knows?
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55. TheSnowman
2:50 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
Colby - is there really a Warm Core waaaay the heck down there??
53. Skyepony (Mod)
2:48 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
LOL ya'll

& from the pic of Glenda earlier, I knew we weren't gonna make it through the night without a pinhole eye alert. Is this the peak of their season?
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52. Scotth
2:33 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
Actually its ashame we can't take all the carbon dioxide that's being blamed for global warming and compress it (like they do in fire extinguishers), then release it as nice cold gas near the coastal regions under water. This would cool the SST's and weaken the storm. Another great idea if I say so myself...and I do.
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50. Scotth
2:27 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
Yeah that's true...and just when I thought I had a good idea...
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48. ForecasterColby
2:07 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
Haha, check this out - warm core system off Antarctica.

Link
47. Scotth
2:01 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
ForcasterColby - Ah but I was. I have to have SOME fun in here cause when the season cranks up, its all business. I'm in charge of safety for an electric co-op on the Gulf so I'll be busy and quite serious then.
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46. ForecasterColby
1:57 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
If you weren't being sarcastic, Scott, that wouldn't have anywhere near the required energy.
45. ForecasterColby
1:55 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
Pinhole Eye Alert

44. Scotth
1:54 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
I don't post much in here but I've been working on an idea to lessen the magnitude of these canes. I've even used some of cyclonbusters type of forththought to form my idea. What if we used a whole bunch of military fighter jets and flew them around in the opposite direction of the cane and that would stop the rotation. I back my idea up with "cyclonbuster-type proof"...it works in a swimming pool when you make a whirlpool. Just go the other way and it stops. :o) Yep! I think I'll forward this to the guys at MIT and see what they think.
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43. Skyepony (Mod)
1:29 AM GMT on March 28, 2006
Dr Masters or anyone... Some have brought up how these papers & storms like Elipsion are showing that shear & other factors play a much smaller role, compared to SST, than previously thought. My problem with these theorys is the North Indian Ocean, with it's average SST, well the highest, around 29.5C. Yet the total # of canes for the NIO is by far the lowest.

Credit Webster bit on NOVA ScienceNow

It can't be all SST, what's the limiting factor? Little ocean?, shear?
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