U.S. Cold Blast WInds Down, Fails to Set Any All-Time Cold Records

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:00 PM GMT on January 08, 2014

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The remarkable Arctic cold blast that brought dangerously cold wind chills of -30°F or lower to at least nineteen states is winding down today. Tuesday's high temperature in Detroit struggled to just -1°F. It was just the fourth time in recorded history that the high temperature had failed to reach zero. In Buffalo, New York, Tuesday's epic lake effect blizzard dumped 12.6" of snow on the city, with up to 25" falling in nearby regions. Another 2 - 3" are expected on Wednesday as the winds over Lake Erie wind down and temperatures warm up. Temperatures will moderate to levels about 10 - 20° below normal on Wednesday, in contrast to the 20 - 40° below normal temperatures commonly observed on Monday and Tuesday over large portions of the eastern half of the United States. By Friday, the majority of the U.S. will see above normal temperatures, and by Saturday, high temperatures will be up to 40°F warmer than Tuesday's highs over much of the Midwest.


Figure 1. Arctic air flowing over the Lake Erie on January 7, 2014 created two major bands of lake-effect snow snow near Buffalo, New York. Image credit: NASA.


Figure 2. For those of you who have to be texting out in the cold, there's always the texting mitt sold by FE Clothing.

Not a Historic Cold Wave
As notable as this week's cold wave was--bringing the coldest air seen since 1996 or 1994 over much of the nation--the event failed to set any monthly or all-time record low minimum temperature records at airports and cooperative observing stations monitored by NOAA's National Climatic Data Center. As wunderground's weather historian Christopher C. Burt summed it up for me, "The only significant thing about the cold wave is how long it has been since a cold wave of this force has hit for some portions of the country--18 years, to be specific. Prior to 1996, cold waves of this intensity occurred pretty much every 5-10 years. In the 19th century, they occurred every year or two (since 1835). Something that, unlike the cold wave, is a truly unprecedented is the dry spell in California and Oregon, which is causing unprecedented winter wildfires in Northern California." Part of the reason that this week's cold wave did not set any all-time or monthly cold records is that it is becoming increasingly difficult to do so in a warming climate. As Andrew Freedman of Climate Central wrote in a blog post yesterday, "While the cold temperatures have been unusual and even deadly, climate data shows that intense cold such as this event is now occurring far less frequently in the continental U.S. than it used to. This is largely related to winter warming trends due to man-made global warming and natural climate variability." For example, in Detroit during the 1970s, there were an average of 7.9 nights with temperatures below zero. But this decade, that number has been closer to two nights.


Figure 3. Trend in frigid nights in Detoit from the 1970s to the most recent decade. Yellow line indicates linear trend since 1970. Image credit: Andrew Freedman, Climate Central

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Frozen Lemonade Anyone? (llpj04)
Some citrus that I didn't pick before the freeze
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Iced blueberry farm... rare site in Florida! (sassyvintage)
Iced blueberry farm... rare site in Florida!
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This cold spell is producing some amazing sights. Too bad it's too cold to go out anywere. I braved the cold for just a few seconds to get this one. We're not used to minus temps around here.
Sun Dogs
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I went out to take sunset photos today. The clouds were gathering quite nicely. While I was waiting, I took a few
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This is what I call a major snow drift!
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Just want to say what stands out for me about this current "cold blast":
1) It seems like it's really bad, but only because it's been so warm for so long that this much cold at once seems weird.

2) I don't associate these cold fronts with these days of continuous drippy rain. Normally one would see a short blast of rain with the leading edge of the front, a shorter period sometimes with the back edge, and then we'd be into a period where the skies would clear and the temps would fall, especially overnight. Recently the best we've seen is 66 at 11 a.m., followed by a warmup, and a return of the cold front as a warm front, all accompanied by this rain.

Whatever else you want to say, I don't think you can argue the climate isn't changing. What's causing it, what to do about it [especially the latter] - have at it! We need to look forward as well as backward.

Gotta run. Back later.
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The lectures from David Archers basic climatology class are posted online here. There are two versions, live and Coursera. I like the live lectures better though they are longer (more info). The Coursera version was 13 weeks long. Archer is with the University of Chicago.

Another Coursera class Turn Down the Heat: Why a 4C Warmer World Must be Avoided is starting January 27. It is four weeks long. It is taught by people from The World Bank which I find interesting.

There is no excuse for ignorance!
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Quoting 156. washingtonian115:
Dr oz called the Polar vortex a arctic hurricane -_-.I'm done.So many things are happening for me the weekend of the 14-17th in February.I have to travel back and forth from N.Y.C to D.C.I just hope the weather doesn't go wrong.


Okay, no snow for Washi, check. Just a clear, sunny, warm day coming.
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Quoting 153. Bluestorm5:


That is really scary...
Makes me think about the potholes people living in limestone heavy areas like FL and the Bahamas sometimes find themselves dealing with. Only salvation is that it's difficult to slide 500 feet down...
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Quoting 151. Grothar:
How many of you remember this? And no wisecracks.


No wisecracks? :(
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Dr oz called the Polar vortex a arctic hurricane -_-.I'm done.So many things are happening for me the weekend of the 14-17th in February.I have to travel back and forth from N.Y.C to D.C.I just hope the weather doesn't go wrong.
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Quoting 55. Grothar:
This image doesn't give it justice, but it has been a miserable, rainy. cold, gloomy, windy past few days. I guess we should consider ourselves lucky, but it is lousy. It is so overcast, it is like Trenton, NJ



You ain't a-lie, fellow traveller... been like this seems like since Christmas...

Quoting 97. definer:
"... the event failed to set any monthly or all-time record low minimum temperature records at airports and cooperative observing stations monitored by NOAA's National Climatic Data Center. "

Why is it that wunderground's own page pulling data from the NCDC lists 184 records lows set from 1/6 to 1/8?

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They are DAILY records, i.e. set for that one day. In other words, it wasn't cold enough to be considered abnormally cold for this time of year, i.e. winter.

Quoting 111. ncstorm:


Scott..you guys pick and choose when to post daily and monthly lows or highs..just last night one of your members posted about Detroit breaking a daily high record..when is it ever correct to post about daily highs or lows??..when the situation fits the agenda?
It's always correct to post about them.

What matters after that is the conclusions being drawn. It's mismatched comparisons that become problematic, like comparing an orange to a baseball because they are both round, or saying South Carolina must be in South America or South Africa because they all have the word South in them.
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Quoting 150. Neapolitan:
You seem to have missed it, but Dr. Masters wrote of Detroit's high temperature in yesterday's blog entry:I assumed that everyone read Dr. Masters' blog entries before commenting on them. I guess I was wrong...




yeah but that just proves my point..he posted it because of the situation fit the agenda..it purpose would serve as an extreme right and that more high temperatures outrank low temperatures?

The high temperature in Detroit on Tuesday is expected to remain below zero; the city's list of days with a high temperature below zero is a short one, with only three such days in recorded history.

there seems to be some discrepancy but the Weather Channel which owns this site is reporting that they met 0 degrees as a high and not subzero..I posted the link yesterday in the blog..I guess I assumed that you read that one..

is the Weather Channel reporting an error?
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Quoting 151. Grothar:
How many of you remember this? And no wisecracks. This was unbelievable at the time. A very brief description from Wiki, but the other accounts are frightening


Located near the shore of the Saguenay River, Saint-Jean-Vianney was — unbeknownst to residents at the time — built atop a bed of unstable Leda clay, a type of subsoil which can liquefy under stress.

Following unusually heavy rains in April 1971, the clay soil bed at Saint-Jean-Vianney became saturated with water that had failed to run off, causing pockets of clay to gradually dissolve. Over the few weeks leading up to the landslide, cracks were reported in some of the town's streets and driveways, some house foundations dropped roughly six to eight inches into the soil, and some unusual noises — including underground thumps and an untraceable sound of running water — were reported.

At 10:45 p.m. on May 4, the earth at Saint-Jean-Vianney suddenly dropped approximately 100 ft (30 m), forming a canyon through which a river of liquefied clay flowed toward the Rivière du Petit-Bras below, swallowing houses in its path. Just before midnight, the clay finally stopped flowing and began to resolidify. By the time the landslide had ended, 41 homes had been destroyed and 31 people had been killed.

The landslide created a crater of approximately 324,000 square metres (3,490,000 sq ft) in area, varying from 15 m (49 ft) to 30 m (98 ft) in depth.
Aftermath

The Saint-Jean-Vianney site was subsequently declared unsafe for habitation, and over the next six months the survivors were resettled at Arvida. Through various municipal amalgamations, both the landslide site and Arvida are now within the municipal boundaries of Saguenay.

Subsequent research into the slide revealed that Saint-Jean-Vianney was in fact built directly atop the site of another landslide approximately 500 years earlier, long before any settlement had ever taken place in the area.

The site of Saint-Jean-Vianney remains uninhabited today, although a small park near Shipshaw and a museum exhibit at Saguenay's Place du Presbytère commemorate the event. Place du Presbytère also includes an exhibit dedicated to the Saguenay Flood of 1996.



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That is really scary...
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"Polar Vortex" freeze in last few days might have cost USA $5 billions.

http://centralnc.twcnews.com/content/search/70340 9/polar-vortex-could-cost-us-economy-more-than--5- billion
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How many of you remember this? And no wisecracks. This was unbelievable at the time. A very brief description from Wiki, but the other accounts are frightening


Located near the shore of the Saguenay River, Saint-Jean-Vianney was — unbeknownst to residents at the time — built atop a bed of unstable Leda clay, a type of subsoil which can liquefy under stress.

Following unusually heavy rains in April 1971, the clay soil bed at Saint-Jean-Vianney became saturated with water that had failed to run off, causing pockets of clay to gradually dissolve. Over the few weeks leading up to the landslide, cracks were reported in some of the town's streets and driveways, some house foundations dropped roughly six to eight inches into the soil, and some unusual noises — including underground thumps and an untraceable sound of running water — were reported.

At 10:45 p.m. on May 4, the earth at Saint-Jean-Vianney suddenly dropped approximately 100 ft (30 m), forming a canyon through which a river of liquefied clay flowed toward the Rivière du Petit-Bras below, swallowing houses in its path. Just before midnight, the clay finally stopped flowing and began to resolidify. By the time the landslide had ended, 41 homes had been destroyed and 31 people had been killed.

The landslide created a crater of approximately 324,000 square metres (3,490,000 sq ft) in area, varying from 15 m (49 ft) to 30 m (98 ft) in depth.
Aftermath

The Saint-Jean-Vianney site was subsequently declared unsafe for habitation, and over the next six months the survivors were resettled at Arvida. Through various municipal amalgamations, both the landslide site and Arvida are now within the municipal boundaries of Saguenay.

Subsequent research into the slide revealed that Saint-Jean-Vianney was in fact built directly atop the site of another landslide approximately 500 years earlier, long before any settlement had ever taken place in the area.

The site of Saint-Jean-Vianney remains uninhabited today, although a small park near Shipshaw and a museum exhibit at Saguenay's Place du Presbytère commemorate the event. Place du Presbytère also includes an exhibit dedicated to the Saguenay Flood of 1996.



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Quoting 111. ncstorm:
Scott..you guys pick and choose when to post daily and monthly lows or highs..just last night one of your members posted about Detroit breaking a daily high record..when is it ever correct to post about daily highs or lows??..when the situation fits the agenda?
You seem to have missed it, but Dr. Masters wrote of Detroit's high temperature in yesterday's blog entry:
Quoting Dr. Jeff Masters:
The high temperature in Detroit on Tuesday is expected to remain below zero; the city's list of days with a high temperature below zero is a short one, with only three such days in recorded history
I assumed that everyone read Dr. Masters' blog entries before commenting on them. I guess I was wrong...


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Quoting 116. ricderr:
Authorities report at least 21 cold-related deaths across the US as polar vortex begins to lighten - @AP
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Quoting 138. barbamz:


BTW: This video I recently watched on the landslide blog for the very first time. Maybe the most frightening thing I've watched ever (and I've already seen a lot, in the internet or on TV of course). Little is known about this apocalyptic landslide in 1993. Caused some loss of life, but fortunately by far not as much as f.e. Haiyan. But it really gives you the shudders:



Wow.. hard to believe I have never seen that before.. awesome, thanks again Barb!
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Quoting 132. indianrivguy:


Thanks Barb! Great page.. copper mine landslide is pretty
was just reading an article that the atlantic storms affecting northern europe could indeed becoming stronger and more severe in the years to come,also..more of them...we are witnessing climate changing..happening so slowly we average humans dont notice it..but the models and scientists are,even governments are finally waking up somewhat...kids being born today,may not recognize the weather we talk about in here today...amazing times we live in....our parents world was all about world wars etc.....we live in a beginning climate change world..wow
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Quoting 11. Thrawst:
Thank you Dr. Masters.

Cold front here in the Bahamas has officially become a warm front. It's gaining latitude
Looking at yet more rain until it's past going the other way... lol...

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Quoting 141. Kumo:
Anyone know of a good resource containing statistics and charts of average atmospheric pressure trends over the last several decades?

Google has been unfruitful. TYIA


What kind of trend? The CPC has some historical data on its teleconnections web pages (for instance daily NAO index since 1950), but I don't know what you are looking for.
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Anyone know of a good resource containing statistics and charts of average atmospheric pressure trends over the last several decades?


gonna take you awhile but right here on WU...you can search back to each day in the almanac of local weather
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On surface analysis the front stretches from Guatemala to Greenland.

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Quoting 128. JNTenne:
Land is one thing but what will be the heat source? Good amount of forest up north but everyone will be heading south..

30% of our electricity now comes from renewable sources in the form of wind and solar.
My heating bills for an average winter are about $50.
The problem in this hypothetical situation would be food. Not heating.
Its +20/C today and most days in the winter its not a problem to heat the house, or not even bother, except for very windy days with a lot of cloud cover, which are rare.
Food and feeding people is going to be the problem, as very little new agricultural land will be coming on stream, while the population increases.
Housing the masses is probably not the problem its going to be feeding them.
One of the biggest losses from a significant climate change in northern Europe would be the loss of food production, as the South of Europe has no room to expand food production much further.
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141. Kumo
Anyone know of a good resource containing statistics and charts of average atmospheric pressure trends over the last several decades?

Google has been unfruitful. TYIA

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UK rain satellite.
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Quoting 122. ricderr:
Whatever could have been done about it, or stopping it can no longer be done as the time for doing it has passed



no stopping it?....are you sure?

I'm sure.
I cant of course speak for anybody else.
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Quoting 132. indianrivguy:


Thanks Barb! Great page.. copper mine landslide is pretty


BTW: This video from Malaysia I recently watched on the landslide blog for the very first time. Maybe the most frightening thing I've watched ever (and I've already seen a lot, in the internet or on TV of course). Little is known about this apocalyptic landslide in 1993. Caused some loss of life (and reshaped the coastline), but fortunately by far not as many victims as f.e. by Haiyan. But it really gives you the shudders:

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Quoting 135. HadesGodWyvern:


both links refer to HUMBERTO's report, by the way. ;)


Fixed it.
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Quoting 132. indianrivguy:


Thanks Barb! Great page.. copper mine landslide is pretty


Yes, huuuge. If there had been loss of life, it would have been all over the media. Fortunately nobody died (and few noticed it).
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135. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Quoting 130. Tropicsweatherpr:
Tropical Cyclone Report for Hurricane Humberto=Peak at 80kts

Tropical Cyclone Report for Tropical Storm Karen=Peak at 55kts


both links refer to HUMBERTO's report, by the way. ;)
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Quoting 110. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

Link

Very good (but necessarily long) compilation of 2013 (around 90 percent weather related). Thanks for posting it! Though I've watched most of those events (not all) in the internet I've already forgotten quite a lot, sigh.
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Rhinelander, Wisconsin (PWS)
Updated: 3:46 PM EST on January 08, 2014
Clear
5.4 °F
Clear
Windchill: 5 °F
Humidity: 51%
Dew Point: -9 °F
Wind: 1.1 mph from the West
Pressure: 30.43 in (Rising)
Visibility: 10.0 miles

better.....

Indian Hills, Riverside, California (PWS)
Updated: 12:50 PM PST on January 08, 2014
Mostly Cloudy
64.2 °F
Mostly Cloudy
Humidity: 26%
Dew Point: 28 °F
Wind: 5.0 mph from the NNE
Wind Gust: 5.0 mph
Pressure: 30.01 in (Falling)
Visibility: 10.0 miles

65.3F here, forecast 68 (WU)
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Quoting 101. barbamz:
Remarkable coastal change from the recent UK storms
Prof. Petley's landslide blog, 8 January 2014


Thanks Barb! Great page.. copper mine landslide is pretty
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The CME is already making snow on SOHO sensors.

Look at the Weekly Roundup... the end summarizes the US cold and hot records each week. The colds often beat the Hots by quite a lot. But that is just the US, not the globe.
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Quoting 55. Grothar:
This image doesn't give it justice, but it has been a miserable, rainy. cold, gloomy, windy past few days. I guess we should consider ourselves lucky, but it is lousy. It is so overcast, it is like Trenton, NJ





you remember yesterday?
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Quoting 125. PlazaRed:

I think in Spain alone there are more than 3 million brand new built houses which are unoccupied.
The same will be true over most of the northern Mediterranean coasts.
Seriously though, most of the property will probably be bought up by the Russians and other eastern Europeans!
The prospects of a catastrophic drop in northern European temps would probably lead to an unsustainable environment over here very quickly, as no matter how much land we have there wont be enough for hundreds of millions of refugees.
Land is one thing but what will be the heat source? Good amount of forest up north but everyone will be heading south..
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still overcast and cool here....hopefully tomorrow its better..
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Quoting 76. StormTrackerScott:


Just over 50. LOL It's 70 at my place. Not only is it warm but its getting humid as well. Also looks like some rain is forming near you Largo which maybe the cause of your temps being so low.

your lucky over there scott..its just 55 by me
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Quoting 109. barbamz:


Yes, lol, that's true. Took some time that I've realized it. GW may turn out to continually warm our region (as it currently does) which will cause (a lot of) problems. But when in respect to the gulf stream a sudden tipping point will cool us down to somehow (near) artic climate very quickly, well, this would be even worse. Or do some of our bloggers like to have millions of European refugees living in a camp nearby? The more as climate change in their own homeland should change very rapidly too?

I think in Spain alone there are more than 3 million brand new built houses which are unoccupied.
The same will be true over most of the northern Mediterranean coasts.
Seriously though, most of the property will probably be bought up by the Russians and other eastern Europeans!
The prospects of a catastrophic drop in northern European temps would probably lead to an unsustainable environment over here very quickly, as no matter how much land we have there wont be enough for hundreds of millions of refugees.
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Quoting 120. PlazaRed:
Noting:-
103. Xyrus2000
104. ScottLincoln
The argument about this Global Warming/Climate change seems to go on endlessly!
Its a bit like we are arguing about the intensity of the rain, if its drizzling, or just spiting a bit.
Or if the wind will strengthen or might just get a bit stronger?
The fact that we, them, you, or us, are involved in an argument must be a sign that it is valid.
If things were stable then we could spend out time speculating on the possibility of hurricanes and other atmospheric anomalies.

Change is happening, be it almost unnoticed, or accelerating at a rapid pace.
Whatever could have been done about it, or stopping it can no longer be done as the time for doing it has passed.
Now we have to become observers and we will see if what is happening is an earth shattering event or simply a quiet evolution into steady climatic change.
One thing for sure is that there will be no turning the clock back and believe it or ignore it, reality will win in the end.
Good point made there
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123. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Fiji Meteorological Services
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #15
SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE IAN, CATEGORY THREE (07F)
6:00 AM FST January 9 2014
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At 18:00 PM UTC, Severe Tropical Cyclone Ian (975 hPa) located at 16.6S 176.8W has 10 minute sustained winds of 65 knots. Position fair based on hourly multispectral enhanced infrared imagery and peripheral surface reports. The cyclone is reported as moving northeast at 5 knots.

Hurricane Force Winds
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20 NM of the center

Storm Force Winds
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30 NM of the center

Gale Force Winds
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60 NM of the center in the northern semi-circle and within 45 NM of the center elsewhere

Organization has significantly improved in past 12 hours. Deep convection persistent in the last 12 hours. Primary bands tightly wrapping around the low level circulation center. The system remains in a low sheared environment under an upper diffluent region with fair outflow to the east and south. Sea surface temperature is around 29C. System is being moved eastward on the southern periphery of the mid level ridge situated to the north of the system.

Dvorak analysis is based on embedded center in LG surrounding yielding DT=4.5, PT=4.5, and MET=4.5.

Dvorak Intensity: T4.5/4.5/D1.5/24 HRS

The consensus of global models agree on a southwestward movement with gradual intensification.

Forecast and Intensity
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12 HRS: 16.8S 176.3W - 75 knots (CAT 3)
24 HRS: 17.3S 175.5W - 90 knots (CAT 4)
48 HRS: 19.6S 173.7W - 85 knots (CAT 3)

Tropical Cyclone Ian Watches/Warnings (Tonga Island)
=================================================
A Tropical Cyclone Alert remains in force for the Ha'Apai an the Va'vau groups and Niuas

A Strong Wind Warning remains in force for Va'vau group and Niuas and is now in force for the Ha'apai group
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Whatever could have been done about it, or stopping it can no longer be done as the time for doing it has passed



no stopping it?....are you sure?
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Noting:-
103. Xyrus2000
104. ScottLincoln
The argument about this Global Warming/Climate change seems to go on endlessly!
Its a bit like we are arguing about the intensity of the rain, if its drizzling, or just spiting a bit.
Or if the wind will strengthen or might just get a bit stronger?
The fact that we, them, you, or us, are involved in an argument must be a sign that it is valid.
If things were stable then we could spend out time speculating on the possibility of hurricanes and other atmospheric anomalies.

Change is happening, be it almost unnoticed, or accelerating at a rapid pace.
Whatever could have been done about it, or stopping it can no longer be done as the time for doing it has passed.
Now we have to become observers and we will see if what is happening is an earth shattering event or simply a quiet evolution into steady climatic change.
One thing for sure is that there will be no turning the clock back and believe it or ignore it, reality will win in the end.
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I have analyzed the lowest daily high and low temperature observed each year at MSP going back to 1940 (monday 1/6/2014 will likely be the MPS's coldest day of 2014). Although MSPs monday's daily high temperature of -13F was significantly colder than the long term average of -5F, the -23F daily low temperature was just slightly below the long term average of -21F. However, the long term averages have been modified by the mild winters of the last 15 years. Back in the 1970s, the 10 year average for annual low temperature was -26F.
MSP hasn't set any winter daily coldest temperature records since 1996 (the last daily low temperature record set was 9/16/2011). In 2012 MSP set 16 daily high temperature records, the most for any year. Only 3 daily high temperatyure record set in 2013.
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Tomorrow (CME)


Solar blast..
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Tallahassee Airport has reached 35°, so this will go down as the coldest maximum temperature since Feb 4, 1996 - @NWSTallahassee, via @JimCantore
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Authorities report at least 21 cold-related deaths across the US as polar vortex begins to lighten - @AP
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Record cold spell that has half the country in the deep freeze could cost the US economy up to $5 billion - @NBCNews
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Australia's heatwave blamed for causing 100,000 bats to drop from the sky - @Telegraph
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time for some weather headlines.....


Latest storm and cold weather will cost airlines as much as $100 million in lost revenue and increased costs - @CNNMoney
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Quoting 87. PanhandleChuck:
See, no matter what the weather is like, extremists will always find a way to attribute anomalies to Big Bad GW, caused by us mean evil humans. I think all GW scientists should go on a boat ride to the antarctic to investigate the climate and get stuck in ICE! LMBO

Did you ever figure out why the Earth's temperature is so warm? You never did answer. If we just do the math the Earth should be *much* colder.

Or maybe I can simplify even more. Why is the Earth warmer than the Moon, aside from the size difference?
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Quoting 104. ScottLincoln:

Not all records and statistics are created equal.

Instead of telling you the answer, take a chance to ponder. Why might a monthly or all time record be more meaningful than a daily record?


Scott..you guys pick and choose when to post daily and monthly lows or highs..just last night one of your members posted about Detroit breaking a daily high record..when is it ever correct to post about daily highs or lows??..when the situation fits the agenda?
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