Mighty North Sea Storm Xaver Battering Denmark, Germany, and the Netherlands

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:09 PM GMT on December 05, 2013

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For the first time since 2007, the massive flood gates that protect the Netherlands from the North Sea have been closed, as a mighty North Sea storm hurls a huge storm surge propelled by near-hurricane force winds against the coast of the Netherlands, Germany, and Denmark. Windstorm "Xaver", as it is called by the Free University of Berlin, has already killed one person in Scotland, where a truck driver was killed and four people were injured in an accident west of Edinburgh when high winds toppled a vehicle onto several cars. Winds gusted up to 142 mph overnight in the Scottish Highlands; many roads and bridges were closed, and all train services in Scotland were suspended; Network Rail spokesman Nick King said that "there's too much debris and too much damage to equipment to continue." At 2:55 pm local time Thursday, oil rig F3 in the North Sea about 200 km (125 miles) north of the Netherlands recorded sustained winds of 83 mph, gusting to 99 mph. These winds were recorded at an elevation of 49 meters (161 feet), so were stronger than the standard winds measured at 10 meters at most world airports. Oil rig Ula off the coast of southern Norway recorded sustained winds of 91 mph, gusting to 108 mph, at 2 pm local time. On the west coast of Denmark at St. Peter Ording Airfield, sustained winds of 58 mph were recorded at 2 pm local time. Winds at Sylt, Germany were 58 mph at 5 pm local time (see the Sylt, Germany beach webcam here.


Figure 1. Waves lash the North Sea coast at the ferry dock in Dagebuell, Germany, on December 5, 2013. (CARSTEN REHDER/AFP/Getty Images)


Figure 2. MODIS satellite image of Windstorm Xaver taken at approximately 11 UTC Thursday December 5, 2013. Image credit: NASA Worldview.

Heavy wind damage likely
A squall line with severe thunderstorms has developed along a cold front that is sweeping across Northern Europe this Thursday afternoon, and these thunderstorms are bringing intense lightning, heavy rains, and damaging winds. The European Storm Forecast Experiment is warning of the risk of tornadoes with this squall line, and damaging wind gusts of up to 90 mph (145 kph) in the severe thunderstorms. The Thursday morning 00Z run of the European model predicted that Xaver would bottom out with a central pressure near 960 mb Friday morning; the GFS model had it stronger, at 956 mb. This will make Xaver stronger the October's Windstorm "Christian" (AKA the St. Jude storm), which bottomed out at 968 mb. Christian killed 18, and did $1.4 billion in damage. It is possible that the wind damage from Xaver will approach that of Windstorm Anatol, which hit Denmark, Southwest Sweden, and Northern Germany on December 3, 1999. Anatol had sustained winds of up to 91 mph (146 kph), killed 20 people, and injured over 800. Damage was $2.6 billion (1999 dollars) in Denmark, making it the costliest disaster in Danish history.


Figure 3. Severe weather warnings for Xaver from the European Storm Forecast Experiment.

3.5-meter storm surge predicted for Germany
The maximum storm tide of Xaver will be in Germany and Denmark, and will be unusually high, since we are only two days past the new moon. Fortunately, the German coast is well protected by dikes, which are about 8 meters high, and these dikes should be able to withstand Xaver's storm surge. The German weather service storm surge forecast made Thursday morning called for a storm tide of 3.5 meters (11.5') above average high tide in Cuxhaven and Bremerhaven during the high tide cycle early Friday morning. This is about 4.8 meters above mean sea level in Bremerhaven, which will be very close to the all-time record of 5.18 m above mean sea level set there in January 1976.

German storm surge history
The deadliest flood of the last hundred years in Germany was the "North Sea flood" in 1962 (16/17 February), where many dikes broke and 340 people were killed. In the Bremerhaven area, the dikes from the 1840s were just able to withstand the storm surge but were heavily damaged. Bremerhaven had installed storm surge gates at the mouth of the river Geeste in summer 1961 as a reaction to the 1953 flood in the Netherlands. That small-scale Deltaworks saved the city. After this catastrophe, the dikes along the German coast were strengthened. Just in time, as the highest storm surge of at least the last hundred years occurred in January 1976. In Hamburg, the 1976 flood was 4.35 meters (14.3') above average high tide, which is 6.45 meters (21.2') above mean sea level. This is 75 cm higher than the storm surge of 1962, but the dikes were strong and high enough in 1976 to withstand the flood. Thanks go to Dr. Michael Theusner of the German climate museum Klimahaus for these stats.

Links
Weather graphics and storm impacts from Storm #Xaver from Tim Ballisty @IrishEagle
Sylt, Germany webcam
‪Dagebüll‬, Germany ferry terminal webcam
Thyboroen, Denmark webcam (thanks go to wunderground member barbamz for this link.)
24-hour storm surge forecasts and actual water levels for the North Sea coast
Tide chart for Bremerhaven, Germany. The highest storm tide will occur at high tide at 1:59 UTC (2:59 CET) on Friday morning.
German weather forum
Wikipedia's list of great European windstorms.
A list of the severest storm surges at the North Sea (in German) and a not so-detailed list in English here
The Future of Intense Winter Storms, my 2010 blog post on climate change and winter storms (updated in early 2013.)

Jeff Masters

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Quoting 82. PedleyCA:
Good Morning or whatever floats your boat. Here's to all our friends in the Scottish Highlands are in one piece. Still no rain here but some has passed to the South and HHJoe should have got some. It's a nice toasty 67.5 inside here and 52.2 outside. The low this morning was 43.2 @6:56 I heard on the News this morning that Lancaster and Palmdale CA. were slightly under 20°F this morning (ouch). Glad I don't work up there anymore. We should be back in the 60's on Tuesday.

local met said there WAS a small possibility snow flakes could fall at night all the way down to say los angeles...THAT would be strange huh..only small possibility
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Quoting 102. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


who are you
and what do you want


lol


..Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in..mamma,mia'
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go fishing everything is fine WKC
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Quoting 96. wunderkidcayman:
Hey guys a friend of mine was telling me about some out of season sub tropical system developing and some models are showing some tropical system in the W Caribbean around next week or so and they are beggin me to come back to weather underground to ask you all what in the world is going on so guys double time tell me what's going on quickly I'm about to go on fishing trip
Who are these friends that are begging?.Not being rude or anything..I thought you bid farewell last week..
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Quoting 12. RitaEvac:


ahhh, south Florida.. :) toasty!


Quoting 77. PalmBeachWeather:
Are Oreo's bad for me?


Oh yes, they are TERRIBLE for you, but I am unaffected so you can send yours to me and I'll save you...
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big difference on the CMC runs..of course it is the CMC

00z showed nothing for the southeast..


12z shows an ice storm for the southeast


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Quoting 96. wunderkidcayman:
Hey guys a friend of mine was telling me about some out of season sub tropical system developing and some models are showing some tropical system in the W Caribbean around next week or so and they are beggin me to come back to weather underground to ask you all what in the world is going on so guys double time tell me what's going on quickly I'm about to go on fishing trip


who are you
and what do you want


lol
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Quoting 96. wunderkidcayman:
Hey guys a friend of mine was telling me about some out of season sub tropical system developing and some models are showing some tropical system in the W Caribbean around next week or so and they are beggin me to come back to weather underground to ask you all what in the world is going on so guys double time tell me what's going on quickly I'm about to go on fishing trip


Fishing trip in Caribbeans is every outdoorman's dream in this country... have fun!
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Quoting 92. ncstorm:
12z CMC takes the second wave south..as Gomer would say..SHAZAM!!











The last few CMC runs have been bombing the Arctic Oscillation negative, dumping cold air south yet again, but I don't think it has much support from other globals or ensembles. Still a long way out though.
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Quoting 96. wunderkidcayman:
Hey guys a friend of mine was telling me about some out of season sub tropical system developing and some models are showing some tropical system in the W Caribbean around next week or so and they are beggin me to come back to weather underground to ask you all what in the world is going on so guys double time tell me what's going on quickly I'm about to go on fishing trip


Welcome back .......................
Have missed you all of 3 days
So much for Never ever blogging here again :)
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Quoting 66. washingtonian115:
Thank goodness for satellite.


Yes. That is a great shot.
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Our family house in Scotland has survived btw
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Hey guys a friend of mine was telling me about some out of season sub tropical system developing and some models are showing some tropical system in the W Caribbean around next week or so and they are beggin me to come back to weather underground to ask you all what in the world is going on so guys double time tell me what's going on quickly I'm about to go on fishing trip
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Latest image of 90L.

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Quoting 72. Sfloridacat5:


I just went outside to get the mail and started sweating. That's a little ridiculous for December.
Bright sunshine, 83 degrees with 60% humidity at my location.
Great day for the beach today.


For what it's worth I've felt compelled to operate my AC in the DC area every month of the year at some point. January and December
were the last two months to go in 1998
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CWG has a high of 34 on Sunday and has been trending down with the temps for that day.But then again they also did that for March 6......
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12z CMC takes the second wave south..as Gomer would say..SHAZAM!!










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Quoting 63. fmbill:


That sounds rather optimistic. Florida seems to have a force field around it right now. And it doesn't look like we will see a clean frontal passage for about 2 weeks.

12Z GFS


Yes this sometimes happens in FL. But not always, for example Jan 2010, and Dec 2010 where cold drove south of the southern tip while the rest of the U.S. was modestly cold.

Jan 1974 is, an analog. The TLH min that month was 42F. TLH usually freezes many times in Jan.
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Quoting 86. Dakster:


Depends... Are you diabetic?
Even diabetics need sweets every once in awhile, but stay away from the alcohol it will kill you faster.
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RAP 15Z HR 2

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Quoting 13. help4u:
No coverage of this major winter storm and record cold,this site is truly agenda driven.Amazing no coverage.Will probably be working the ice storms the next week or so thought i could get some info here.Quess this site no longer covers cold events in the world.


Except for the bazillions of posts about cold weather in the U.S. this week on this and other blogs

Yeah except for the coverage there's no coverage.
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Quoting 77. PalmBeachWeather:
Are Oreo's bad for me?


Depends... Are you diabetic?
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thanks for update doc in on a late lunch
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Quoting 82. PedleyCA:
Good Morning or whatever floats your boat. Here's to all our friends in the Scottish Highlands are in one piece. Still no rain here but some has passed to the South and HHJoe should have got some. It's a nice toasty 67.5 inside here and 52.2 outside. The low this morning was 43.2 @6:56 I heard on the News this morning that Lancaster and Palmdale CA. were slightly under 20°F this morning (ouch). Glad I don't work up there anymore. We should be back in the 60's on Tuesday.

iam warmer than you today temps at or just above 60 right now
feels like april in December what a rollercoaster of temps
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83. josF
Thank you,Dr. Masters.
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Good Morning or whatever floats your boat. Here's to all our friends in the Scottish Highlands are in one piece. Still no rain here but some has passed to the South and HHJoe should have got some. It's a nice toasty 67.5 inside here and 52.2 outside. The low this morning was 43.2 @6:56 I heard on the News this morning that Lancaster and Palmdale CA. were slightly under 20°F this morning (ouch). Glad I don't work up there anymore. We should be back in the 60's on Tuesday.

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Quoting 79. taistelutipu:
I've got an update about the maximum winds in North Wales. Our official weather station nearby recorded maximum sustained winds of 49 mph with gusts of 77 mph at noon. The barometer had been falling since last night at 7 pm from 1033 mb to 1017 mb. This shows that we were not close to the centre at all and the bombogenesis was still in its infancy.

The highest winds in Britain happened in Scotland: Glen Ogle in the Scottish Highlands recorded 75 mph sustained with 106 mph gusts, cat 1 hurricane. This was at 7 am this morning. Since then, there have been no further updates, the reading of 8 am 64 mph sustained and 94 mph gusts is the last one. I suspect that the anemometer has been damaged.
Going to call my aunt and uncle ..and all of my many cousins in Edinburgh to see how they are doing...
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Finally. Wind data for 90L. It took them long enough.

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I've got an update about the maximum winds in North Wales. Our official weather station nearby recorded maximum sustained winds of 49 mph with gusts of 77 mph at noon. The barometer had been falling since last night at 7 pm from 1033 mb to 1017 mb. This shows that we were not close to the centre at all and the bombogenesis was still in its infancy.

The highest winds in Britain happened in Scotland: Glen Ogle in the Scottish Highlands recorded 75 mph sustained with 106 mph gusts, cat 1 hurricane. This was at 7 am this morning. Since then, there have been no further updates, the reading of 8 am 64 mph sustained and 100 mph gusts is the last one. I suspect that the anemometer has been damaged. (correction: 100 mph gusts at 8 am)
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No red? Bad call, NHC. Well, it at least deserves a 50%.


FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY HAS BECOME A LITTLE MORE
CONCENTRATED IN ASSOCIATION WITH A NON-TROPICAL AREA OF LOW
PRESSURE CENTERED ABOUT 300 MILES SOUTH OF THE AZORES. THIS LOW IS
PRODUCING GALE-FORCE WINDS...AND COULD ACQUIRE SOME SUBTROPICAL
CHARACTERISTICS BEFORE WEAKENING AS IT BEGINS TO MOVE NORTHWARD ON
FRIDAY.

THIS SYSTEM HAS A MEDIUM CHANCE...30 PERCENT...OF BECOMING
A SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A
MEDIUM CHANCE...30 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT FIVE DAYS.


ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS SYSTEM CAN BE FOUND IN HIGH SEAS
FORECASTS ISSUED BY METEO FRANCE. ANOTHER SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER
OUTLOOK ON THIS SYSTEM WILL BE ISSUED NEAR 7 AM EST ON FRIDAY
DECEMBER 6...OR SOONER IF NECESSARY.
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Are Oreo's bad for me?
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Quoting 70. Torito:


Yes, if this system is not a subtropical storm, it will certainly be so within a few hours. (unless if it dies as fast as Karen.)

An argument against classification however is longevity. 12Z GFS phase analysis points towards 90L being at its zenith right now with weakening expected to begin shortly. It should be noted that global models do occasionally have trouble with small warm core systems due to grid resolution (although they have become much better in recent years).

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SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1250 PM EST THU DEC 5 2013

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY HAS BECOME A LITTLE MORE
CONCENTRATED IN ASSOCIATION WITH A NON-TROPICAL AREA OF LOW
PRESSURE CENTERED ABOUT 300 MILES SOUTH OF THE AZORES. THIS LOW IS
PRODUCING GALE-FORCE WINDS...AND COULD ACQUIRE SOME SUBTROPICAL
CHARACTERISTICS BEFORE WEAKENING AS IT BEGINS TO MOVE NORTHWARD ON
FRIDAY. THIS SYSTEM HAS A MEDIUM CHANCE...30 PERCENT...OF BECOMING
A SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A
MEDIUM CHANCE...30 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT FIVE DAYS.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS SYSTEM CAN BE FOUND IN HIGH SEAS
FORECASTS ISSUED BY METEO FRANCE. ANOTHER SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER
OUTLOOK ON THIS SYSTEM WILL BE ISSUED NEAR 7 AM EST ON FRIDAY
DECEMBER 6...OR SOONER IF NECESSARY.

&&

HIGH SEAS FORECASTS ISSUED BY METEO FRANCE CAN BE FOUND UNDER WMO
HEADER FQNT50 LFPW.

FIVE-DAY FORMATION PROBABILITIES ARE EXPERIMENTAL IN 2013. COMMENTS
ON THE EXPERIMENTAL FORECASTS CAN BE PROVIDED AT...

WWW.NWS.NOAA.GOV/SURVEY/NWS-SURVEY.PHP?CODE=ETWO

$$
FORECASTER BRENNAN
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Ice Storm Warning

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MEMPHIS TN
1034 AM CST THU DEC 5 2013

...WINTER STORM TO IMPACT A LARGE PORTION OF THE MIDSOUTH LATE
THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH FRIDAY EVENING...

.AN ARCTIC COLD FRONT WILL DROP THROUGH THE MIDSOUTH TODAY...
USHERING IN SIGNIFICANTLY COLDER AIR. ABUNDANT MIDLEVEL MOISTURE
WILL OVERRIDE THIS SHALLOW COLD AIRMASS...WITH FREEZING RAIN
LIKELY TO BEGIN MID TO LATE THIS AFTERNOON FROM JONESBORO
ARKANSAS NORTHWARD. THE FREEZING RAIN THREAT WILL SLOWLY SPREAD
SOUTHEAST THROUGH THE INTERSTATE 40 CORRIDOR BY FRIDAY MORNING...
WHILE PRECIPITATION GRADUALLY CHANGES TO COMBINATION OF SLEET AND
SNOW OVER NORTHEAST ARKANSAS AND THE MISSOURI BOOTHEEL.
SIGNIFICANT ICING IS LIKELY NORTH OF A HELENA ARKANSAS TO A
DECATURVILLE TENNESSEE LINE THROUGH 6 PM CST FRIDAY.

ARZ036-048-049-058-MSZ001-007-TNZ003-004-020-021- 049>052-088-089-
060045-
/O.CON.KMEG.IS.W.0003.131206T1200Z-131207T0000Z/
CRITTENDEN-ST. FRANCIS-LEE AR-PHILLIPS-DESOTO-TUNICA-WEAKLEY-
HENRY-GIBSON-CARROLL-TIPTON-HAYWOOD-CROCKETT-MADI SON-SHELBY-
FAYETTE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WEST MEMPHIS...FORREST CITY...HELENA...
SOUTHAVEN...OLIVE BRANCH...TUNICA...MARTIN...DRESDEN...PARIS...
HUMBOLDT...MILAN...HUNTINGDON...COVINGTON...JACKS ON...BARTLETT...
GERMANTOWN...COLLIERVILLE...MEMPHIS...MILLINGTON. ..SOMERVILLE
1034 AM CST THU DEC 5 2013

...ICE STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM TO 6 PM CST
FRIDAY...

* ICE ACCUMULATIONS...ONE QUARTER TO THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH.

* SNOW/SLEET ACCUMULATIONS...LESS THAN ONE INCH.

* TIMING...6 AM CST FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH 6 PM CST FRIDAY
EVENING.

* IMPACTS...VERY HAZARDOUS TRAVEL IS EXPECTED. NUMEROUS DOWNED
TREE BRANCHES...TREES... AND POWER LINES...THAT MAY LEAD TO
THE POTENTIAL FOR WIDESPREAD AND PROLONGED POWER OUTAGES.
FALLING TREES AND TREE BRANCHES MAY ALSO BECOME A DANGER TO
ANYONE OUTDOORS.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

AN ICE STORM WARNING MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF ICE ACCUMULATIONS
WILL MAKE TRAVEL DANGEROUS OR IMPOSSIBLE. TRAVEL IS STRONGLY
DISCOURAGED. COMMERCE WILL LIKELY BE SEVERELY IMPACTED. IF YOU
MUST TRAVEL...KEEP AN EXTRA FLASHLIGHT...FOOD...AND WATER IN YOUR
VEHICLE IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. ICE ACCUMULATIONS AND WINDS WILL
LIKELY LEAD TO SNAPPED POWER LINES AND FALLING TREE BRANCHES THAT
ADD TO THE DANGER.

&&

$$

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1727: Northumbria Police say they are receiving reports of flooding in Sunderland, South Tyneside, Gateshead, North Tyneside, Newcastle and Northumberland.
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Quoting 63. fmbill:


That sounds rather optimistic. Florida seems to have a force field around it right now. And it doesn't look like we will see a clean frontal passage for about 2 weeks.

12Z GFS


I just went outside to get the mail and started sweating. That's a little ridiculous for December.
Bright sunshine, 83 degrees with 60% humidity at my location.
Great day for the beach today.
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Quoting 69. fmbill:

Classic stuff!
Showing our age fmbill
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Quoting 68. 1900hurricane:

If I were the NHC, I'd classify it.


Yes, if this system is not a subtropical storm, it will certainly be so within a few hours. (unless if it dies as fast as Karen.)

*Franticly pushes F5 on the NHC website until it updates...*
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Quoting 67. PalmBeachWeather:
"Let me show you something"

Classic stuff!
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Quoting 62. Torito:


Also note that the COC was devoid of convection earlier, but now has convection exploding there.... It is a very healthy system, indeed.


If I were the NHC, I'd classify it.
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Quoting 64. fmbill:


LOL!!! I'll need to re-do my hairstyle.
"Let me show you something"
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Thank goodness for satellite.
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Quoting 59. PalmBeachWeather:
Our wonderful Governor Rick Scott of Florida and fireman Bill are twins.Just sayin'


LOL!!! I'll need to re-do my hairstyle.
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Quoting 37. eddye:
storm tracker scott at least next week were geting a strong cold front then we can say bye 2 the heat


That sounds rather optimistic. Florida seems to have a force field around it right now. And it doesn't look like we will see a clean frontal passage for about 2 weeks.

12Z GFS
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Quoting 60. 1900hurricane:

It's definitely close. Convection is relatively shallow as the tropopause isn't very thick, but DT theta has continued to increase and is nearly at environmental levels, indicating that the warm core continues to grow deeper.



Also note that the COC was devoid of convection earlier, but now has convection exploding there.... It is a very healthy system, indeed.

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Speaking of Subtropical systems..
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Quoting 53. Torito:
I believe that this system is now, in fact, a subtropical storm. We will find out.... in 30 minutes.


It's definitely close. Convection is relatively shallow as the tropopause isn't very thick, but DT theta has continued to increase and is nearly at environmental levels, indicating that the warm core continues to grow deeper.



Also, very impressive tropopause folding going on with bombing Xaver.
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Quoting 56. fmbill:


Close. Gomer said it to Barney Fife. Classic episode!!!
Our wonderful Governor Rick Scott of Florida and fireman Bill are twins.Just sayin'
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Quoting 56. fmbill:


Close. Gomer said it to Barney Fife. Classic episode!!!
I think you are right fmbill...Long time ago
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