Mexican Death Toll 57 From Manuel and Ingrid; 95L Likely to Bring More Rain

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:20 PM GMT on September 18, 2013

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Tropical Storm Manuel has regenerated into a strong tropical storm just west of Mexico's Baja Peninsula this Wednesday morning, and the destructive storm promises to bring even more misery to a Mexican nation already reeling from the combined one-two punch of Manuel on its Pacific coast and Hurricane Ingrid on the Atlantic coast earlier this week. The two storms, which hit Mexico within 24 hours of each other on Monday and Tuesday, are now being blamed for the deaths of at least 57 people in Mexico. It was the first time since 1958 that two tropical storms or hurricanes had hit both of Mexico's coasts within 24 hours. Hardest hit was the Acapulco region on Mexico's Pacific coast, where the airport is barely functioning, many roads still flooded and blocked, and tens of thousands of tourists are scrambling to get home. Acapulco received 7.41" of rain from Manuel September 12 - 16, and much higher amounts of rain fell in the surrounding mountains. Newly regenerated Manuel promises to bring 5 - 10" of rain to the Mexican state of Sinaloa, which is likely to cause dangerous flash floods and mudslides.


Figure 1. A soldier wades through the water at the airport of Acapulco, after floods from Tropical Storm Manuel hit on September 17, 2013. Image credit: Pedro Pardo/AFP/Getty Images).


Figure 2. View of a street in Acapulco, Guerrero state, Mexico, after a landslide caused by heavy rains from Tropical Storm Manuel on September 15, 2013. Image credit: CLAUDIO VARGAS/AFP/Getty Images)


Figure 3. Storm sandwich: Tropical Storm Manuel and Hurricane Ingrid lay siege to Mexico on September 15, 2013. Tropical Storm Manuel came ashore on the Pacific coast near Manzanillo on the afternoon of September 15, and Hurricane Ingrid followed suit from the Atlantic on September 16. Image credit: NASA.

Invest 95L headed for Bay of Campeche
Waterlogged Mexico has yet another tropical rain-making system to worry about this week. An area of disturbed weather (Invest 95L) over the Yucatan Peninsula will emerge into the Southwestern Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche by Wednesday night. Satellite loops show that 95L already has a pronounced spin and a respectable area of heavy thunderstorms. Wind shear is moderate, and ocean temperatures are warm, 29°C (84°F.) A hurricane hunter flight is scheduled to investigate 95L on Thursday afternoon.

Invest 95L will likely stay trapped in the Bay of Campeche
Wind shear is expected to be low to moderate over the next five days. There is some dry air over the Bay of Campeche, but I doubt this will be an impediment to development, given the low to moderate wind shear. NHC gave the disturbance 2-day development odds of 70% and 5-day odds of 80% in their 8 am EDT Wednesday Tropical Weather Outlook. Steering currents will be weak in the Bay of Campeche over the next five days, and most of the models predict that 95L will stay trapped there, moving slowly and erratically. However, the UKMET model and approximately 20% of the 20 individual forecasts from the GFS ensemble and European Center ensemble predict that 95L will turn north next week and hit the U.S. Gulf Coast. A cold front and associated upper-level trough of low pressure are expected to push southeastwards over the Gulf of Mexico on Saturday, and it is possible that the upper-level westerly winds associated with this weather system will reach far enough south to pull 95L out of the Bay of Campeche. It typically takes a stronger upper-level trough of low pressure to flush a tropical cyclone out of the Bay of Campeche, though, and 95L will most likely stay put. Regardless, tropical moisture from 95L will likely stream northeastwards along the cold front over much of the U.S. Gulf Coast on Saturday and Sunday, bringing heavy rains of 2 - 4". A non-tropical low pressure system is expected to form along this front over the Southeast U.S. on Sunday, spreading heavy rains up the East Coast early next week.

Typhoon Usagi headed for Taiwan
In the Western Pacific, Typhoon Usagi has intensified to a Category 1 storm with 75 mph winds. Further intensification is likely over the next few days, as Usagi is over very warm waters of 29 - 30°C with high heat content, and is under light wind shear of 5 - 10 knots. The official JTWC forecast brings Usagi to a Category 3 storm before encountering Taiwan, when interaction with land could potentially weaken the storm. Satellite images show Usagi has developed a prominent eye surrounded by intense thunderstorms that reach high into the atmosphere. The typhoon is expected to pass north of the Philippines Islands on Friday, and will threaten southern Taiwan on Saturday.

Jeff Masters

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Hurricane Manual just offshore Mexico. Loop was not working.

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BULLETIN
HURRICANE MANUEL INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 19A
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP132013
1100 PM PDT WED SEP 18 2013

...MANUEL MOVING SLOWLY NEAR THE COAST OF MEXICO...


SUMMARY OF 1100 PM PDT...0600 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...24.7N 108.1W
ABOUT 10 MI...20 KM WNW OF ALTATA MEXICO
ABOUT 95 MI...150 KM SE OF LOS MOCHIS MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...75 MPH...120 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 355 DEGREES AT 3 MPH...6 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...987 MB...29.15 INCHES
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TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 AM EDT THU SEP 19 2013

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON RECENTLY
DOWNGRADED TROPICAL DEPRESSION HUMBERTO...LOCATED OVER THE EASTERN
ATLANTIC WELL TO THE WEST-SOUTHWEST OF THE AZORES.

A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM LOCATED OVER THE SOUTHWESTERN GULF OF MEXICO
IS PRODUCING DISORGANIZED SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY.
CONDITIONS STILL APPEAR CONDUCIVE FOR THE FORMATION OF A TROPICAL
DEPRESSION DURING THE NEXT DAY OR TWO...AND AN AIR FORCE RESERVE
HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE IS SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THE LOW THIS
AFTERNOON...IF NECESSARY. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...70
PERCENT
...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS
WHILE IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT ABOUT 5 MPH...AND A HIGH
CHANCE...80 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE
NEXT 5 DAYS. THIS DISTURBANCE WILL LIKELY SPREAD HEAVY RAIN OVER
PORTIONS OF EASTERN AND SOUTHERN MEXICO AND COULD CAUSE LIFE-
THREATENING FLOODS AND MUDSLIDES OVER AREAS ALREADY IMPACTED BY
TORRENTIAL RAIN DURING THE PAST SEVERAL DAYS.

CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS JUST TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE BAHAMAS ARE
ASSOCIATED WITH A FRONTAL BOUNDARY AND A SURFACE TROUGH...AND AN
AREA OF LOW PRESSURE IS FORECAST TO FORM IN THIS AREA DURING THE
NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS DO NOT APPEAR CONDUCIVE FOR
SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL DEVELOPMENT...BUT THE LOW COULD STILL ACQUIRE
SOME SUBTROPICAL CHARACTERISTICS WHILE IT MOVES GENERALLY
NORTHEASTWARD OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC THROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK.
THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A
SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AND A LOW CHANCE...20
PERCENT
...OF BECOMING A SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.

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Eye is gradually clearing out over the last few hours.

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1239: look at the time that discussion was issued. That's 12 hours old. It has changed since then.
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Tropical Depression 18W coming ashore near Hue, Socialist Republic of Vietnam

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Quoting 1237. KoritheMan:


Oh, you don't have to worry about that. ;)

The EURO and some of the GFS ensembles take AL95 north. I dont know if I should put much faith into it because it always fools us. Always.
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Typhoon Usagi



Hong Kong Anyone?

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1240. jpsb
Quoting 1221. lobdelse81:
I miss a long-tracked powerful Cape Verde system. Will we ever see them again?
home grown storms can be very impressive too.
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EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
1200 PM EDT WED SEP 18 2013

VALID 12Z SAT SEP 21 2013 - 12Z WED SEP 25 2013

BASELINE SURFACE FRONTS/PRESSURES AND 500 MB GRAPHICS WERE A BLEND
OF THE 18/00Z ECENS GEFS AND NAEFS...WITH SOME OF THE
SMALLER-SCALE DETAILS AND TIMING DIFFERENCES SIDING WITH THE
18/00Z DETERMINISTIC ECMWF.

FORECAST REASONING AND PHILOSOPHY HAS NOT CHANGED MUCH AT ALL FROM
24 HOURS AGO. THE DETERMINISTIC UKMET AND CANADIAN ARE THE FAR
WESTERN OUTLIERS WITH A 'YET-TO-EVOLVE' DISTURBANCE IN THE BAY OF
CAMPECHE (DAYS 3-5). THE GFS/ECMWF SOLUTIONS WERE PREFERRED
YESTERDAY AND THE UPCOMING WPC/NHC CONFERENCE CALL SHOULD FIRM UP
SOME OF THE MEDIUM RANGE DETAILS IN THE GULF OF MEXICO. THE 18/00Z
GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO SUGGEST A MID-LEVEL DISTURBANCE IN THE
SOUTHWEST GULF OF MEXICO WILL EJECT NORTHEASTWARD AND INTERACT
WITH A DECAYING...FRACTURED MID-LATITUDE FRONTAL BOUNDARY (DAY4)
AND THE 18/00Z GFS/ECMWF LOOKED VERY REASONABLE WITH AN
UPPER-LEVEL H5 CENTER TRANSPOSING ITSELF ATOP THE LOW-LEVEL WAVE
TRACKING NORTHEAST-BOUND ALONG THIS 'FRONT'. THE DAY5-6 SURFACE
GRAPHICS WERE ADJUSTED TO ACCOUNT FOR A 'SLOWDOWN' OF THE SOUTHERN
END OF THE FRONT. THIS IMPLIES THE FRONT WILL NOT SURGE THROUGH
THE CAROLINAS...BUT THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE FRONT DOES MOVE
OFFSHORE NORTH OF 40N...THEN RETURNS AS A BACKDOOR COLD FRONT
THROUGH NEW ENGLAND AROUND DAY 6.

DAYS 5-7...ACTIVE PACIFIC PATTERN REMAINS ON TRACK WITH THE
UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH DEVELOPING OFFSHORE OF THE WEST COAST. BY DAY
7...ANOTHER STRONG SHORTWAVE LOOKS TO RELOAD THE UPPER-LEVEL
LONGWAVE AND READJUST THE WAVELENGTH INVOF 140W. DOWNWIND ACROSS
THE ROCKIES AND PLAINS...THE FLOW ALOFT IS DE-AMPLIFYING WHICH
SHOULD ALLOW A WEAK SURGE OF CANADIAN AIRMASS TO SEEP INTO THE
CENTRAL PLAINS DAY4...THEN MODIFYING RAPIDLY IN ADVANCE OF THE
NEXT PACIFIC SYSTEM DAYS 6-7.

EDIT
Looks like they not buying the western solutions of UKMET and GEM?
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Well folks, I'm stepping of the soap box - and heading off to bed.

Catch you all later.
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Quoting 1234. scott39:
lol I did say probably. I've got a lot going on and enthusiasm is waning. Take care and stay true.


Oh, you don't have to worry about that. ;)
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1236. scott39
Quoting 1235. HurricaneHunterJoe:


Take care bud!
you too
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Quoting 1226. scott39:
I'm probably out for the rest of the Atlantic "hurricane" Season. See everyone next season. Be good and stay safe :)


Take care bud!
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1234. scott39
Quoting 1231. KoritheMan:


If 95L makes a comeback overnight into tomorrow, and you come back, I'll remind you of this. :)
lol I did say probably. I've got a lot going on and enthusiasm is waning. Take care and stay true.
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OFFSHORE WATERS FORECAST FOR THE GULF OF MEXICO
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1006 PM EDT WED SEP 18 2013

OFFSHORE WATERS FORECAST FOR THE GULF OF MEXICO

SEAS GIVEN AS SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT...WHICH IS THE AVERAGE
HEIGHT OF THE HIGHEST 1/3 OF THE WAVES. INDIVIDUAL WAVES MAY BE
MORE THAN TWICE THE SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT.

GMZ001-191415-
SYNOPSIS FOR THE GULF OF MEXICO
1006 PM EDT WED SEP 18 2013

.SYNOPSIS...LOW PRESSURE OVER THE EASTERN BAY OF CAMPECHE IS
FORECAST TO MOVE TO NEAR 21N95W LATE THU...POSSIBLY AS A TROPICAL
CYCLONE...THEN MEANDER NEAR 22N96W ON FRI AND SAT. A COLD FRONT
WILL ENTER THE NW GULF ON FRI NIGHT REACHING A POSITION FROM THE
MISSISSIPPI DELTA TO THE SW GULF ON SAT MERGING WITH THE LOW. THE
FRONT WILL EXTEND FROM THE WESTERN FLORIDA PANHANDLE TO THE SW
GULF ON SUN...THEN STALL FROM THE FLORIDA BIG BEND TO THE EASTERN
BAY OF CAMPECHE ON MON. THE LOW IS EXPECTED TO DRIFT SE ON SUN
REACHING NEAR 21N95W BY LATE MON.
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1232. jpsb
Quoting 1228. HurriHistory:
Not this year! The shows over baby! And when it's over,,,IT"S OVER! Now there's always next year of course.
Someone posted a link about the SAL and dust. I read the article and there was a very recent NASA pic of all the dust blowing into the Atlantic. Very impressive, I think SAL killed the CV storms this year. Might happen again next year too.
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Quoting 1226. scott39:
I'm probably out for the rest of the Atlantic "hurricane" Season. See everyone next season. Be good and stay safe :)


If 95L makes a comeback overnight into tomorrow, and you come back, I'll remind you of this. :)
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Good night WU.



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Quoting 1221. lobdelse81:
I miss a long-tracked powerful Cape Verde system. Will we ever see them again?


lol

yes
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Quoting 1221. lobdelse81:
I miss a long-tracked powerful Cape Verde system. Will we ever see them again?
Not this year! The shows over baby! And when it's over,,,IT"S OVER! Now there's always next year of course.
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Quoting 1224. Bluestorm5:
Oh well... my parents seem to be confident in getting this debt out of my way if I'm in a university instead of community college all 4 years. I do have loans out already and I have to start working jobs until retirement starting in December. Only reason why I don't have job now is because my parents want me to get used to college first.


I agree, focus on your education - eventually it'll pan out.
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1226. scott39
I'm probably out for the rest of the Atlantic "hurricane" Season. See everyone next season. Be good and stay safe :)
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Good evening, weathergeeks! ;)

Sfc Map shows 1004mb, discussion 1005mb. Presentation looking better, I guess. Sabancuy radar shows a closed but sloppy-looking llc. Only moderate convection with a few towers popping. Still a broad circulation, but tightening slowly maybe.



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Oh well... my parents seem to be confident in getting this debt out of my way if I'm in a university instead of community college all 4 years. I do have loans out already and I have to start working jobs until retirement starting in December. Only reason why I don't have job now is because my parents want me to get used to college first.
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Quoting 1222. jpsb:
Absolutely, but first two years are mostly, math, English, physics, maybe some engineering, maybe a little history. All can be found at a good community college and if you grades are good getting into a state school is a piece of cake after 2 years in at CC. Government funded "student loans" drove up the cost of higher education. As soon as government funds anything the costs go way up. When I went to school it as 15 to 20 bucks and hour. I did not need a loan to pay for school I could make 5 to 8 bucks and hour part time.


Last word - promise skye.

Check out the percent funding of public schools receive from the public (state) and how it has declined precipitously. Compare that with the raise in tuition, and the increase in administrative costs that have occurred over the same period.

We can discuss it further via WU mail so we don't get in trouble . . . .

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1222. jpsb
Quoting 1209. flsky:

Gotta make sure they're "good."
Absolutely, but first two years are mostly, math, English, physics, maybe some engineering, maybe a little history. All can be found at a good community college and if you grades are good getting into a state school is a piece of cake after 2 years in at CC.
Quoting 1213. daddyjames:


Our good state school, which is one of the least expensive in the nation, would cost $44,000 for two years, at least.

As i said before, i worked my way through school - and finished in four years (the first time). Can't see students being able to do that these days. Not with the wages as they are, and the jobs available.
Government funded "student loans" drove up the cost of higher education. As soon as government funds anything the costs go way up. When I went to school it was 15 to 20 bucks and hour. I did not need a loan to pay for school I could make 5 to 8 bucks an hour part time.
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I miss a long-tracked powerful Cape Verde system. Will we ever see them again?
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Quoting 1211. GatorWX:
Just wanted to say I finally made it across the pond. Lovin' it! 95L hasn't done much since I've been gone. Models are everywhere. Doesn't look like I'm missing much over there in the tropics.


Dos Margaritas por favor!
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Quoting 1203. Astrometeor:
I'm not too concerned to be honest, I have two parents that both understand real well how college works and how to handle debt loads such as college tuition. And I have a college plan that was created when I was born, which already contains a fairly substantial sum in it.



Glad to hear that
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1218. Skyepony (Mod)
CO floods made a polluted mess of the oil & gas industry..

Environment Pollution in USA on Thursday, 19 September, 2013 at 03:15 (03:15 AM) UTC.
Description
Industry crews have placed absorbent booms in the South Platte River south of Milliken where at least 5,250 gallons of crude oil has spilled into the flood-swollen river. The spill from a damaged tank was reported to the Colorado Department of Natural Resources Wednesday afternoon by Anadarko Petroleum, as is required by state law. State officials have responded to the spill site, which is south of Milliken near where the St. Vrain River flows into the South Platte. Nearly 1,900 oil and gas wells in flooded areas of Colorado are shut, and 600 industry personnel are inspecting and repairing sites, according to the Colorado Oil and Gas Association. Crews are inspecting operations, conducting aerial and ground surveillance, identifying and determining locations of possible impairments, the association said Tuesday. Anadarko, the second-largest operator in the operator in the Denver-Julesburg Basin, has shut about 10 percent of its operations 250 tank batteries and 670 wells. State inspectors also have fanned along the river to assess environmental damage from toppled oil and gas facilities after the floods.ű
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Quoting 1211. GatorWX:
Just wanted to say I finally made it across the pond. Lovin' it! 95L hasn't done much since I've been gone. Models are everywhere. Doesn't look like I'm missing much over there in the tropics.


Glad you made it. How's the weather there?
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1216. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Rest of you on that topic.. you have a blog, I think it even comes with a soap box..


haha
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1215. flsky
Quoting 1189. daddyjames:


I agree - its freaking ridiculous. I don;t see how this is not going to undermine our society on a whole. There is no way that you can go to college, work, and pay for everything.

You could move to France - better food, too....
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Quoting 1210. Skyepony:
Very recent Terra of USAGI.





Nice to see some self moderation with a near full moon out there:)

Rest of you on that topic.. you have a blog, I think it even comes with a soap box..


Appreciate the kind heads up - things were a little slow. Will cease and desist.

P.S. - and i all fairness, i did start it.
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Quoting 1205. jpsb:
A good way to go to school on the cheap is first 2 years at a good community college last 2 at a good state school.


Our good state school, which is one of the least expensive in the nation, would cost $44,000 for two years, at least.

As i said before, i worked my way through school - and finished in four years (the first time). Can't see students being able to do that these days. Not with the wages as they are, and the jobs available.
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Quoting 1201. daddyjames:


I will never achieve the standard of living that my parents did - that in part is because I chose to go back to school - and pay for it all.

But, things have to change - otherwise, I see us having the same economic structure as Mexico. Not to knock Mexico, but it is a similar income distribution that is happening here.


There is the tipping point...it could be very ugly.....Not enough jobs........Wages stagnant......Corporate profits up........Mostly service job/Low Wage......Hope the changes needed come before too much suffering.

Sorry, Back to weather.......just hope those rainfall forecasts are wrong and way overblown on the high side
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1211. GatorWX
Just wanted to say I finally made it across the pond. Lovin' it! 95L hasn't done much since I've been gone. Models are everywhere. Doesn't look like I'm missing much over there in the tropics.
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1210. Skyepony (Mod)
Very recent Terra of USAGI.




Quoting 1193. BahaHurican:
Agreed. I'd like to make a really egregious political comment here.

But instead I think I'll go to bed. Ban myself instead of being banned...

G'nite 2 all...

Nice to see some self moderation with a near full moon out there:)

Rest of you on that topic.. you have a blog, I think it even comes with a soap box..
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1209. flsky
Quoting 1205. jpsb:
A good way to go to school on the cheap is first 2 years at a good community college last 2 at a good state school.

Gotta make sure they're "good."
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Quoting 1202. HurricaneHunterJoe:


I was talking about potential problems for Florida be they tropical or otherwise....let us hope these forecast rainfall totals are off base as usual. 8-12" of rain in parts of florida, especially central and south with the lake issues.


I think it'll be ok in the long run. Florida has suffered worse. Of course, I could be totally wrong.
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1207. jpsb
Quoting 1204. daddyjames:


Those generations have long since left this earth.
Yup and left us a really big mess to clean up.
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Quoting 1204. daddyjames:


Those generations have long since left this earth.


Yeah, lol, we the younger generation need some living folk to point our muscular gaming/texting fingers at for all this.
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1205. jpsb
Quoting 1201. daddyjames:


I will never achieve the standard of living that my parents did - that in part is because I chose to go back to school - and pay for it all.

But, things have to change - otherwise, I see us having the same economic structure as Mexico. Not to knock Mexico, but it is a similar income distribution that is happening here.
A good way to go to school on the cheap is first 2 years at a good community college last 2 at a good state school.
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Quoting 1198. jpsb:


If you are talking about the older older generation the ones that gave us income taxes, the federal reserve, direct election of Senators and lots of other bad progressive ideas then I totally agree with you.


Those generations have long since left this earth.
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I'm not too concerned to be honest, I have two parents that both understand real well how college works and how to handle debt loads such as college tuition. And I have a college plan that was created when I was born, which already contains a fairly substantial sum in it.

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Quoting 1195. daddyjames:


Really. 95L may do something, but looks as if it'll remain in the BOC for a bit.

Manuel will pump moisture up into Texas/OK - that is a good thing.

Humberto is dying.

Everything going into Florida for the next week is non-tropical.

The next week looks slow . . . so, more time to discuss GW ;)


I was talking about potential problems for Florida be they tropical or otherwise....let us hope these forecast rainfall totals are off base as usual. 8-12" of rain in parts of florida, especially central and south with the lake issues.
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Quoting 1196. HurricaneHunterJoe:


Kinda hard competing financially with 3rd world economies?....And keep our accustomed standard of living?.....No?


I will never achieve the standard of living that my parents did - that in part is because I chose to go back to school - and pay for it all.

But, things have to change - otherwise, I see us having the same economic structure as Mexico. Not to knock Mexico, but it is a similar income distribution that is happening here.
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1200. Skyepony (Mod)
Fresh ASCAT of 95L, slightly elongated but about there..
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Quoting 1190. BahaHurican:
C'mon... it's obviously a pineapple.... [obviously to any self-respecting Bahamian... lol]



LOL - he changed it from the turtle that he had. Had not seen the new one.
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