Tropical Depression Eight Hits Tampico, Mexico

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:14 PM GMT on September 07, 2013

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Blink, and you missed it: the latest minor blip on the almost inconsequential Atlantic hurricane season of 2013 was Tropical Depression Eight, which formed at 2 pm EDT Friday just offshore of Tampico, Mexico. The depression made landfall less than three hours later, and had top winds estimated at 35 mph. The depression has already dissipated, but brought heavy rains that were expected to accumulate to 3 - 5" along its path. Tampico, Mexico recorded 2.60" of rain from the storm.


Figure 1. MODIS satellite image of the Tropical Depression Eight, taken at 1:30 pm EDT on September 6, 2013. TD 8 was making landfall near Tampico, Mexico, with top winds of 35 mph. Image credit: NASA.

Ex-Gabrielle
The remnants of Gabrielle are generating heavy thunderstorms a few hundred miles north of Puerto Rico and the Eastern Dominican Republic, as seen on satellite loops. High wind shear of 20 - 25 knots is inhibiting development, and wind shear is expected to stay high for the next five days. NHC put ex-Gabrielle's 2-day odds of development at 20% and 5-day odds at 40% in their 8 am EDT Saturday Tropical Weather Outlook. The disturbance is headed to the north at 10 - 15 mph, and is expected to turn to the northeast and pass several hundred miles east of Bermuda on Tuesday. For such a meager storm, ex-Gabrielle will be getting a lot of attention today. NOAA is planning on flying all three of their hurricane research aircraft into the storm, and NASA will be sending up one of their two remotely piloted Global Hawks. An Air Force hurricane hunter flight is also scheduled for Saturday afternoon. With the tropical Atlantic not looking like it will generate anything more interesting to study for at least the next week, the hurricane researchers have to make do with what little they have.


Figure 2. Could this be the beginnings of the Atlantic's first hurricane of 2013? MODIS satellite image of a tropical wave emerging from the coast of Africa, taken at approximately 8 am EDT September 7, 2013. All of the models develop this wave into a tropical depression by Tuesday, and some of the models show it growing to hurricane strength by mid-week. Image credit: NASA.

New African tropical wave: is it destined to be the Atlantic's first hurricane of 2013?
A strong tropical wave is emerging from the coast of Africa this weekend, and all of the models develop this wave into a tropical depression just west of the Cape Verde Islands by Tuesday. Some of the models have been eager to intensify the storm into a hurricane by mid-week. The storm is expected to track to the northwest into a region of ocean where the Azores Islands would likely be the only land area at risk from a strike. In their 8 am EDT Saturday Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC put the 5-day odds of development at 80%.

Why such a quiet Atlantic hurricane season?
Unusual dryness over the Atlantic has been the main reason for this year's lack of hurricanes, it appears. Wunderblogger Lee Grenci's latest post, "The Lack of Atlantic Hurricanes: The Saga of Low Relative Humidity Continues", looks at how dry the Tropical Atlantic has been this hurricane season. Part of the unusual dryness, he maintains, is due to dry air coming off the coast of Brazil, which is in severe to extreme drought, according to the global drought monitor. Aon Benfield puts the cost of the Brazilian drought at $8.3 billion so far this year, making it Brazil's most expensive natural disaster in its history.

Have a great weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters

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Quoting 705. floridaT:
speaking of dark, how many others here are surprised by the how little dmax has had an impact on intensifying storms this year?


What is Dmax?
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Quoting 716. TheGreatHodag:

UPDATED...DURING THE PAST FEW HOURS SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY
HAS INCREASED IN COVERAGE AND ORGANIZATION IN ASSOCIATION WITH AN
AREA OF LOW PRESSURE LOCATED ABOUT 400 MILES EAST-SOUTHEAST OF THE
SOUTHERN CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. CONDITIONS APPEAR FAVORABLE FOR
CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT...AND A TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD FORM IN THE
NEXT DAY OR TWO AS THE SYSTEM MOVES WESTWARD OR WEST-NORTHWESTWARD
AT AROUND 10 MPH. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...60 PERCENT...OF
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A HIGH
CHANCE...90 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE
NEXT 5 DAYS. INTERESTS IN THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS SHOULD MONITOR THE
PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM...AS TROPICAL STORM WATCHES OR WARNINGS
COULD BE NEEDED. HEAVY RAINFALL AND GUSTY WINDS ARE POSSIBLE IN THE
CAPE VERDE ISLANDS BY MONDAY REGARDLESS OF TROPICAL CYCLONE
FORMATION.


How long has the caps lock button been stuck down on the NHC computers?
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Quoting 700. floridaT:
almost a perfect day my canes win looks like Notre dame wont be an embarrassment in the bsc game. if only ohio state would play someone so they could sit down and shutup.
Go Noles !!
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Code red.
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Quoting 712. Tazmanian:



sorry I don't poll on the weekends
Polls suck sounds like our goverment!!
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ZCZC MIATWOAT ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1000 PM EDT SAT SEP 7 2013

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SPECIAL OUTLOOK ISSUED TO UPDATE THE DISCUSSION OF THE AREA OF LOW
PRESSURE IN THE FAR EASTERN ATLANTIC OCEAN EAST-SOUTHEAST OF THE
CAPE VERDE ISLANDS.

1. SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY REMAINS DISORGANIZED IN ASSOCIATION
WITH A BROAD LOW PRESSURE AREA...THE REMNANTS OF GABRIELLE...
LOCATED A COUPLE HUNDRED MILES NORTHEAST OF THE SOUTHEASTERN
BAHAMAS. DATA FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT
INDICATE THAT THE LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION REMAINS BROAD AND POORLY
DEFINED...AND DATA FROM A NOAA G-IV RESEARCH MISSION INDICATE THAT
UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE CURRENTLY ONLY MARGINAL FOR DEVELOPMENT.
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS COULD BECOME MORE CONDUCIVE WHILE THE LOW
MOVES NORTHWARD OR NORTHEASTWARD AHEAD OF A COLD FRONT OVER THE
WESTERN ATLANTIC OCEAN IN A FEW DAYS. THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOW
CHANCE...20 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A MEDIUM CHANCE...40 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A
TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.

2. UPDATED...DURING THE PAST FEW HOURS SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY
HAS INCREASED IN COVERAGE AND ORGANIZATION IN ASSOCIATION WITH AN
AREA OF LOW PRESSURE LOCATED ABOUT 400 MILES EAST-SOUTHEAST OF THE
SOUTHERN CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. CONDITIONS APPEAR FAVORABLE FOR
CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT...AND A TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD FORM IN THE
NEXT DAY OR TWO AS THE SYSTEM MOVES WESTWARD OR WEST-NORTHWESTWARD
AT AROUND 10 MPH. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...60 PERCENT...OF
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A HIGH
CHANCE...90 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE
NEXT 5 DAYS. INTERESTS IN THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS SHOULD MONITOR THE
PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM...AS TROPICAL STORM WATCHES OR WARNINGS
COULD BE NEEDED. HEAVY RAINFALL AND GUSTY WINDS ARE POSSIBLE IN THE
CAPE VERDE ISLANDS BY MONDAY REGARDLESS OF TROPICAL CYCLONE
FORMATION.

OTHER SYSTEMS WITH DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL BEYOND 48 HOURS...

A TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE COULD FORM OVER THE EXTREME SOUTHWESTERN
GULF OF MEXICO AND BAY OF CAMPECHE IN A FEW DAYS...AND SOME
DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM IS POSSIBLE BY MIDWEEK. THIS SYSTEM HAS
A LOW CHANCE...NEAR 0 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE
DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A LOW CHANCE...20 PERCENT...OF
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.

FIVE-DAY FORMATION PROBABILITIES ARE EXPERIMENTAL IN 2013. COMMENTS
ON THE EXPERIMENTAL FORECASTS CAN BE PROVIDED AT...

HTTP://WWW.NWS.NOAA.GOV/SURVEY/NWS-SURVEY.PHP?COD E=ETWO

FORECASTER BRENNAN
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UPDATED...DURING THE PAST FEW HOURS SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY
HAS INCREASED IN COVERAGE AND ORGANIZATION IN ASSOCIATION WITH AN
AREA OF LOW PRESSURE LOCATED ABOUT 400 MILES EAST-SOUTHEAST OF THE
SOUTHERN CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. CONDITIONS APPEAR FAVORABLE FOR
CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT...AND A TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD FORM IN THE
NEXT DAY OR TWO AS THE SYSTEM MOVES WESTWARD OR WEST-NORTHWESTWARD
AT AROUND 10 MPH. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...60 PERCENT...OF
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A HIGH
CHANCE...90 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE
NEXT 5 DAYS. INTERESTS IN THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS SHOULD MONITOR THE
PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM...AS TROPICAL STORM WATCHES OR WARNINGS
COULD BE NEEDED. HEAVY RAINFALL AND GUSTY WINDS ARE POSSIBLE IN THE
CAPE VERDE ISLANDS BY MONDAY REGARDLESS OF TROPICAL CYCLONE
FORMATION.
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715. beell

09/07 09Z Meteosat-9


09/07 18Z Meteosat-9
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DATE/TIME LAT LON CLASSIFICATION STORM
08/0000 UTC 13.2N 17.7W T1.0/1.0 91L -- Atlantic
07/2345 UTC 24.6N 69.3W T1.0/1.0 GABRIELLE -- Atlantic
07/2345 UTC 15.5N 34.9W T1.0/1.0 98L -- Atlantic
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Quoting 709. HurricaneAndre:
I know it's early,but poll time.
What do you think will be at the next TWO for 91L.
A 60/80
B 70/90
C 80/100
D 90/100

What strength do you think.
A 90mph
B 95mph
C 100mph
D 110mph
E 115mph

I think A and C.



sorry I don't poll on the weekends
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Quoting 705. floridaT:
speaking of dark, how many others here are surprised by the how little dmax has had an impact on intensifying storms this year?

Me! it has been non-existent! DMIN has produced more convection! Except two nights ago, we finally had a real DMAX night. This has been bothering me, too. Our lake - and water supply - rides on this season. Austin may be the first city to stop issuing building permits in history due to our drought and lake death.
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'New African tropical wave: is it destined to be the Atlantic's first hurricane of 2013?" Lol. Just accept it. A new record will be set for latest hurricane on record. But I guarantee it won't be this wave. It will probably be a late season October or November storm in the Caribbean. I'm thinking one like Sandy or Paloma or Lenny.
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I know it's early,but poll time.
What do you think will be at the next TWO for 91L.
A 60/80
B 70/90
C 80/100
D 90/100

What strength do you think.
A 90mph
B 95mph
C 100mph
D 110mph
E 115mph

I think A and C.
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Hurricane Betsy 1965! Part-4 Gales and Floods Hit Miami-Ft.Lauderdale

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I think this has been one wierd year but who knows where the cold wind blows (White Snake) anything can happen and probably will so hang on and see what happens Fl Panhandle has had some BAD storms in Late Sept and Oct. But we may have 0 just as long as we don't have a Cold Winter.I hate COLD!! ANYTHING BELOW 50F is to COLD!!!!!
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Quoting 691. whitewabit:


I have been in both night and day hurricane strikes and the ones at night were by far the scariest .. when we are unable to use one of our major senses .. fear comes to the surface much quicker ..


Have you received any complaints on this iluvgolf guy? He said some really derogatory stuff to a female blogger who wasn't instigating anything earlier and I kind of took it to heart even though it didn't involve me. I reported it, but I don't know if that solved anything. I really did not like the comment he made towards her though and if there's some way you could look back and see, I really would appreciate it. I don't think he's just one of those youngsters. He's the first and only person I've ever even thought of reporting, let me just put it that way. Thanks, Josh
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Quoting 704. FunnelVortex:


To be fair, it is dark now. So maybe we will see it in the morning on the RGB images.
speaking of dark, how many others here are surprised by the how little dmax has had an impact on intensifying storms this year?
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Quoting 698. GatorWX:


Seems the tools are all around, it's just having problems getting down to the surface. A day or two should be all it needs, maybe. I don't see a llc anymore.


To be fair, it is dark now. So maybe we will see it in the morning on the RGB images.
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Quoting 687. gulfbreeze:
Whats going on in the Boc could our real sytems come from our back yard. Could spring an Opal type Hurricane down the Road just saying !


GOM is where it's at.. two turntables and a microphone..
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Quoting 696. Patrap:

Hurricane Betsy is remembered in September 1990, 25 years later, in this WVUE special hosted by Bob Breck.




I never knew it did that kind of damage to FL. Thanks
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almost a perfect day my canes win looks like Notre dame wont be an embarrassment in the bsc game. if only ohio state would play someone so they could sit down and shutup.
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91L is blossoming with deep convection. Saved image.

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Quoting 697. FunnelVortex:


It should in a day or two.


Seems the tools are all around, it's just having problems getting down to the surface. A day or two should be all it needs, maybe. I don't see a llc anymore.
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Quoting 695. GatorWX:


Looks like it's having some trouble. Doesn't seem to have the "tools"



It should in a day or two.
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Hurricane Betsy is remembered in September 1990, 25 years later, in this WVUE special hosted by Bob Breck.


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Looks like it's having some trouble. Doesn't seem to have the "tools"

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Quoting 677. luvtogolf:
I'm still waiting to be served my Ham & Cheese with a coke.


You tell me what that means.
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Quoting 684. Patrap:
Nothing quite like being in a Majors eye.

Betsy and Elena for me. 20 years apart.


One @ night, the other, day.





Hurricane Elena (Eye) - Biloxi,Gulfport Mississippi - September 2, 1985



So there is a YouTube video (supposedly) in here?

YouTube vids don't show up for some reason. It could be my device, or the site. But is anyone else having this problem?
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Quoting 684. Patrap:
Nothing quite like being in a Majors eye.

Betsy and Elena for me. 20 years apart.


One @ night, the other, day.





Hurricane Elena (Eye) - Biloxi,Gulfport Mississippi - September 2, 1985



I have been in both night and day hurricane strikes and the ones at night were by far the scariest .. when we are unable to use one of our major senses .. fear comes to the surface much quicker ..
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Quoting 681. mitthbevnuruodo:


Olive oil is the only oil I use for regular oil. If making Chinese, use sesame for flavoring though, but only need a dash of that. I LOVE fresh butter, but only use it occassionally, and just cause of healthy reasons use it only occassionally, as bake and cook healthy on a daily basis (sadly I must say ;p LOL). but I do love a good olive oil anyway, spinach salad with good olive oil, fresh ground pepper and a bit of sea salt...all it needs! I so wish I could still eat whatever I wanted, though even when I was 18 usually opted for healthy options (was a fool then surely?! LOL)

GOM looks a mess right now!

In the EPAC, i reckon lucky other conditions weren't good, as the warm waters near the coast and hot waters of the Gulf of California, could have made for a dire storm otherwise over there


I'm so lucky to work where I do and get the freedom I do. I can create anything I want for my menus which is awesome, but I can create anything I want to for myself as well. Fresh fish, sprouted whole grains, fresh fruits and vegetables, literally anything. It's terrific.

Gulf and sw Caribbean are getting hot!



Especially the nw Caribbean
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Quoting 684. Patrap:
Nothing quite like being in a Majors eye.

Betsy and Elena for me. 20 years apart.


One @ night, the other, day.





Hurricane Elena (Eye) - Biloxi,Gulfport Mississippi - September 2, 1985

was in the eye of wilma on marco island beach. just when you think the wind cant blow any harder. but from what i heard from coworkers that were in the eye of andrew, what i saw not even close
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Whats going on in the Boc could our real sytems come from our back yard. Could spring an Opal type Hurricane down the Road just saying !
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Quoting 677. luvtogolf:
I'm still waiting to be served my Ham & Cheese with a coke.


I'm trying to figure out how to afford filet mignon, king crab claws, oysters, clams, shrimp and whatever was in the middle of HHJoe's pic bathing in garlic butter for under $100.00.


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685. whitewabit (Mod)
Quoting 682. GatorWX:


Still haven't had that experience. I will though. Call me crazy, I know the dangers, but if I get the chance, I will. I know some will call me crazy/dumb on here, but it's my passion and whatever happens, happens.

Regarding tornadoes, I just never heard any NWS reports confirming many, especially near the landfall location of Charley.


you wouldn't want to see the eye of a Cat4 or 5 .. you may be dead before it would reach you !!
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Nothing quite like being in a Majors eye.

Betsy and Elena for me. 20 years apart.


One @ night, the other, day.





Hurricane Elena (Eye) - Biloxi,Gulfport Mississippi - September 2, 1985

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Quoting 674. GatorWX:


Those are overpriced trash. Take your time and pick apart some blue crab. You can't beat it!



You have the right idea. Tarragon is great. Meuniere sauce is good, but I'll actually sub olive oil in a lot of my sauces and get the same result. Brown butter is brown butter though, :)

Love food too, but I eat very healthy, cook healthy for menus, etc.

Gulf:

i had some traps out one year did well . hot tub, cold beer, claws fresh from that day,and college football on the outside tv. life was good
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Quoting 680. whitewabit:


we were in the eye for almost 20 minutes .. amazing sights to behold inside in the eye ..


Still haven't had that experience. I will though. Call me crazy, I know the dangers, but if I get the chance, I will. I know some will call me crazy/dumb on here, but it's my passion and whatever happens, happens.

Regarding tornadoes, I just never heard any NWS reports confirming many, especially near the landfall location of Charley.
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Quoting 674. GatorWX:


Those are overpriced trash. Take your time and pick apart some blue crab. You can't beat it!



You have the right idea. Tarragon is great. Meuniere sauce is good, but I'll actually sub olive oil in a lot of my sauces and get the same result. Brown butter is brown butter though, :)

Love food too, but I eat very healthy, cook healthy for menus, etc.

Gulf:



Olive oil is the only oil I use for regular oil. If making Chinese, use sesame for flavoring though, but only need a dash of that. I LOVE fresh butter, but only use it occassionally, and just cause of healthy reasons use it only occassionally, as bake and cook healthy on a daily basis (sadly I must say ;p LOL). but I do love a good olive oil anyway, spinach salad with good olive oil, fresh ground pepper and a bit of sea salt...all it needs! I so wish I could still eat whatever I wanted, though even when I was 18 usually opted for healthy options (was a fool then surely?! LOL)

GOM looks a mess right now!

In the EPAC, i reckon lucky other conditions weren't good, as the warm waters near the coast and hot waters of the Gulf of California, could have made for a dire storm otherwise over there
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Quoting 678. GatorWX:


But that would be similar damage to a cat 5/f3 plus, which usually isn't found near an eyewall. How far removed were you from the eye? Both were similarly small, I'll say that. Charley was tiny, riding on a trough axis, so I suppose it's possible. I was only 13 miles away, but due to the size, experienced only cat 1 (barely) conditions.


we were in the eye for almost 20 minutes .. amazing sights to behold inside in the eye ..
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679. JRRP
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Quoting 676. whitewabit:


During Camille as the eye wall got closer we heard at least 4 tornados and could have been as many as 7 we heard .. some were further away from my location ..

one of them destroyed a large building just 1/2 block away .. know it was a tornado because the earth was scoured as was a blacktop road ..


But that would be similar damage to a cat 5/f3 plus, which usually isn't found near an eyewall. How far removed were you from the eye? Both were similarly small, I'll say that. Charley was tiny, riding on a trough axis, so I suppose it's possible. I was only 13 miles away, but due to the size, experienced only cat 1 (barely) conditions.
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I'm still waiting to be served my Ham & Cheese with a coke.
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676. whitewabit (Mod)
Quoting 663. GatorWX:


just out of curiosity, what do you think of the unconfirmed (by NWS) tornadic vorticies associated with Charley? You think it was just that small of storm, were actually tornadoes, etc, have any comment? Everyone around here says there were many tornadoes in or near the eyewall and I mean everyone, that went through it. I tend to believe they just didn't know what a cat 4 storm was all about, but...


During Camille as the eye wall got closer we heard at least 4 tornados and could have been as many as 7 we heard .. some were further away from my location ..

one of them destroyed a large building just 1/2 block away .. know it was a tornado because the earth was scoured as was a blacktop road ..
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Quoting 668. floridaT:
what no stone crabs?


Those are overpriced trash. Take your time and pick apart some blue crab. You can't beat it!

Quoting 665. mitthbevnuruodo:


Oh geesh, food talk!

I agree, I mainly prefer seafood light (in any of the above ways mentioned-wish they did blackened here, yum!), as it's such a delicate meat anyway, it fits not being over-powered (despite my love of rich sauces!). I do like fried sometimes...but the UK excels in fried fish! Not everywhere obviously, but the best of places, the batter is light and crisp and goes perfectly...nearly like tempura style. I make my own sauces and depends on the mood. Fav's include using tarragon, or a tartar made with capers and lemon, good ol' garlic butter and if it's a real nice piece, fresh ground pepper is all I want.

Anyway..I just love food! haha

Weather wise, gone chilly here all of a sudden. 45' right now. Better than too warm though ;p When winter sets in, will think of feeling all sticky and awful, all midgie bites I suffered through and being too hot to go out taking photos in the harsh Sun...much easier bundling up to keep warm!



You have the right idea. Tarragon is great. Meuniere sauce is good, but I'll actually sub olive oil in a lot of my sauces and get the same result. Brown butter is brown butter though, :)

Love food too, but I eat very healthy, cook healthy for menus, etc.

Gulf:

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Quoting 668. floridaT:
what no stone crabs?


Next Course.....LOL
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Quoting 663. GatorWX:


just out of curiosity, what do you think of the unconfirmed (by NWS) tornadic vorticies associated with Charley? You think it was just that small of storm, were actually tornadoes, etc, have any comment? Everyone around here says there were many tornadoes in or near the eyewall and I mean everyone, that went through it. I tend to believe they just didn't know what a cat 4 storm was all about, but...



Well, Camille's Nadoes, Hundreds, cut whole spiral rows thru Mississppi that was and still is detectable if you know where to look off Hwy 90 West Of Bay St. Louis in the NASA Easement Area. And thru Delisle as well off I-10.

Snapped Pines clean off at 30-50 feet up, for Hundreds of yards.But spared some right next to them.
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