An Active Atlantic Hurricane Season Still Predicted by NOAA, CSU, and TSR

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:07 PM GMT on August 09, 2013

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As we stand on the cusp of the peak part of hurricane season, all of the major groups that perform long-range seasonal hurricane forecasts are still calling for an active 2013 Atlantic hurricane season. NOAA forecasts an above-normal and possibly very active Atlantic hurricane season in 2013, in their August 8 outlook. They give a 70% chance of an above-normal season, a 25% chance of an near-normal season, and 5% chance of a below-normal season. They predict a 70% chance that there will be 13 - 19 named storms, 6 - 9 hurricanes, and 3 - 5 major hurricanes, with an Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) 120% - 190% of the median. If we take the midpoint of these numbers, NOAA is calling for 16 named storms, 7.5 hurricanes, 4 major hurricanes, and an ACE index 155% of normal. This is well above the 1981 - 2010 average of 12 named storms, 6 hurricanes, and 3 major hurricanes. Hurricane seasons during the active hurricane period 1995 - 2012 have averaged 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes, and 4 major hurricanes, with an ACE index 151% of the median.


Figure 1. Tropical Storm Dorian on July 25, 2013, when the storm reached peak intensity--sustained winds of 60 mph. Formation of early-season tropical storms like Chantal and Dorian in June and July in the deep tropics is usually a harbinger of an active Atlantic hurricane season. Image credit: NASA.

NOAA cites five main reasons to expect an active remainder of hurricane season:

1) Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are above average in the Main Development Region (MDR) for hurricanes, from the coast of Africa to the Caribbean. As of August 9, SST were 0.4°C (0.8°F) above average.
2) Trade winds are weaker than average across the MDR, which has caused the African Monsoon to grow wetter and stronger, the amount of spin over the MDR to increase, and the amount of vertical wind shear to decrease.
3) No El Niño event is present or expected this fall.
4) There have been two early-season tropical storms in the deep tropics (Tropical Storms Chantal and Dorian), which is generally a harbinger of an above-normal season.
5) We are in an active hurricane period that began in 1995.

Colorado State predicts a much above-average hurricane season
A much above-average Atlantic hurricane season is on tap for 2013, according to the seasonal hurricane forecast issued August 2 by Dr. Phil Klotzbach and Dr. Bill Gray of Colorado State University (CSU). The CSU team is calling for 18 named storms, 8 hurricanes, and 3 intense hurricanes, and an Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) of 142. The forecast calls for an above-average chance of a major hurricane hitting the U.S., both along the East Coast (40% chance, 31% chance is average) and the Gulf Coast (40% chance, 30% chance is average). The risk of a major hurricane in the Caribbean is also above average, at 53% (42% is average.)

Analogue years
The CSU team picked five previous years when atmospheric and oceanic conditions were similar to what we are seeing this year: cool neutral ENSO conditions and slightly above-average tropical Atlantic sea surface temperatures. Those five years were 2008, a very active year with 16 named storms and 4 major hurricanes--Gustav, Ike, Paloma, and Omar; 2007, an active year with 15 named storms and two Category 5 storms--Dean and Felix; 1996, an above average year with 13 named storms and 6 major hurricanes--Edouard, Hortense, Fran, Bertha, Isidore, and Lili; 1966, an average year with 11 named storms and 3 major hurricanes--Inez, Alma, and Faith; and 1952, a below average year with 7 named storms and 3 major hurricanes. The average activity during these five analogue years was 12.4 named storms, 7.2 hurricanes, and 3.8 major hurricanes.

TSR predicts an above-average hurricane season: 14.8 named storms
The August 6 forecast for the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season made by British private forecasting firm Tropical Storm Risk, Inc. (TSR) calls for an active season with 14.8 named storms, 6.9 hurricanes, 3 intense hurricanes, and an Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) of 121. The long-term averages for the past 63 years are 11 named storms, 6 hurricanes, 3 intense hurricanes, and an ACE of 103. TSR rates their skill level as good for these August forecasts--47% - 59% higher than a "no-skill" forecast made using climatology. TSR predicts a 58% chance that U.S. land falling activity will be above average, a 26% chance it will be near average, and a 16% chance it will be below average. They project that 4 named storms will hit the U.S., with 1.8 of these being hurricanes. The averages from the 1950-2012 climatology are 3.1 named storms and 1.4 hurricanes. They rate their skill at making these August forecasts for U.S. landfalls just 9% - 18% higher than a "no-skill" forecast made using climatology. In the Lesser Antilles Islands of the Caribbean, TSR projects 1.4 named storms, 0.6 of these being hurricanes. Climatology is 1.1 named storms and 0.5 hurricanes.

TSR's two predictors for their statistical model are the forecast July - September trade wind speed over the Caribbean and tropical North Atlantic, and the forecast August - September 2013 sea surface temperatures in the tropical North Atlantic. Their model is calling for warmer than average SSTs and near average trade winds during these periods, and both of these factors should act to increase hurricane and tropical storm activity.


Figure 2. Comparison of the percent improvement over climatology for May and August seasonal hurricane forecasts for the Atlantic from NOAA, CSU and TSR from 1999-2009 (May) and 1998-2009 (August), using the Mean Squared Error. Image credit: Verification of 12 years of NOAA seasonal hurricane forecasts, National Hurricane Center.


Figure 3. Comparison of the percent improvement in mean square error over climatology for seasonal hurricane forecasts for the Atlantic from NOAA, CSU and TSR from 2003-2012, using the Mean Square Skill Score (MSSS). The figure shows the results using two different climatologies: a fixed 50-year (1950 - 1999) climatology, and a 2003 - 2012 climatology. Skill is poor for forecasts issued in December and April, moderate for June forecasts, and good for August forecasts. Image credit: Tropical Storm Risk, Inc.

FSU predicts an above-average hurricane season: 15 named storms
The Florida State University (FSU) Center for Ocean-Atmospheric Prediction Studies (COAPS) issued their fifth annual Atlantic hurricane season forecast on May 30, calling for a 70% probability of 12 - 17 named storms and 5 - 10 hurricanes. The mid-point forecast is for 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes, and an accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) of 135. The scientists use a numerical atmospheric model developed at COAPS to understand seasonal predictability of hurricane activity. The model is one of only a handful of numerical models in the world being used to study seasonal hurricane activity and is different from the statistical methods used by other seasonal hurricane forecasters such as Colorado State, TSR, and PSU (NOAA uses a hybrid statistical-dynamical model technique.) The FSU forecast has been one of the best ones over the past four years:

2009 prediction: 8 named storms, 4 hurricanes. Actual: 9 named storms, 3 hurricanes
2010 prediction: 17 named storms, 10 hurricanes. Actual: 19 named storms, 12 hurricanes
2011 prediction: 17 named storms, 9 hurricanes. Actual: 19 named storms, 7 hurricanes
2012 prediction: 13 named storms, 7 hurricanes. Actual: 19 named storms, 10 hurricanes

Penn State predicts an above-average hurricane season: 16 named storms
A statistical model by Penn State's Michael Mann and alumnus Michael Kozar is calling for an active Atlantic hurricane season with 16 named storms, plus or minus 4 storms. Their prediction was made using statistics of how past hurricane seasons have behaved in response to sea surface temperatures (SSTs), the El Niño/La Niña oscillation, the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), and other factors. The statistic model assumes that in 2013 the May 0.87°C above average temperatures in the MDR will persist throughout hurricane season, the El Niño phase will be neutral to slightly warm, and the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) will be near average.

The PSU team has been making Atlantic hurricane season forecasts since 2007, and these predictions have done pretty well, except for in 2012, when an expected El Niño did not materialize:

2007 prediction: 15 named storms, Actual: 15
2009 prediction: 12.5, named storms, Actual: 9
2010 prediction: 23 named storms, Actual: 19
2011 prediction: 16 named storms, Actual: 19
2012 prediction: 10.5 named storms, Actual: 19

UK Met Office predicts a slightly above-average hurricane season: 14 named storms
The UKMET office forecast for the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season, issued May 13, calls for slightly above normal activity, with 14 named storms, 9 hurricanes, and an ACE index of 130. In contrast to the statistical models relied upon by CSU, TSR, and NOAA, the UKMET model is done strictly using two dynamical global seasonal prediction systems: the Met Office GloSea5 system and ECMWF system 4. In 2012, the Met Office forecast was for 10 tropical storms and an ACE index of 90. The actual numbers were 19 named storms and an ACE index of 123.


Figure 4. Total 2013 Atlantic hurricane season activity as predicted by twelve different groups.

NOAA predicts a below-average Eastern Pacific hurricane season
NOAA's pre-season prediction for the Eastern Pacific hurricane season, issued on May 23, calls for a below-average season, with 11 - 16 named storms, 5 - 8 hurricanes, 1 - 4 major hurricanes, and an ACE index 60% - 105% of the median. The mid-point of these ranges gives us a forecast for 13.5 named storms, 6.5 hurricanes, and 2.5 major hurricanes, with an ACE index 82% of average. The 1981 - 2010 averages for the Eastern Pacific hurricane season are 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes, and 4 major hurricanes.

NOAA predicts a below-average Central Pacific hurricane season
NOAA's pre-season prediction for the Central Pacific hurricane season, issued on May 22, calls for a below-average season, with 1 - 3 tropical cyclones. An average season has 4 - 5 tropical cyclones, which include tropical depressions, tropical storms, and hurricanes. Hawaii is the primary land area affected by Central Pacific tropical cyclones.

West Pacific typhoon season forecast not available this year
Dr. Johnny Chan of the City University of Hong Kong usually issues a seasonal forecast of typhoon season in the Western Pacific, but did not do so in 2012 or 2013. An average typhoon season has 27 named storms and 17 typhoons. Typhoon seasons immediately following a La Niña year typically see higher levels of activity in the South China Sea, especially between months of May and July. Also, the jet stream tends to dip farther south than usual to the south of Japan, helping steer more tropical cyclones towards Japan and Korea.

Quiet in the Atlantic this weekend
There are no Atlantic threat areas to discuss today, and none of the reliable models for tropical cyclone formation is predicting development during the coming seven days. However, there are some indications that the atmosphere over the tropical Atlantic will become more conducive for tropical storm formation beginning around August 15. The Madden Julian Oscillation (MJO), a pattern of increased thunderstorm activity near the Equator that moves around the globe in 30 - 60 days, may move into the Atlantic then, increasing tropical storm formation odds. At the same time, the computer models are indicating an increase in moisture over the tropical Atlantic, due to a series of tropical waves expected to push off of the coast of Africa. There will also be several eastward-moving Convectively-Coupled Kelvin Waves (CCKWs) traversing the Atlantic during that period. These atmospheric disturbances have a great deal of upward-moving air, which helps strengthen the updrafts of tropical disturbances. Formation of the Eastern Pacific's Hurricane Gil and Henriette were aided by CCKWs. These same CCKWs will cross into the Atlantic and increase the odds of tropical storm formation during the period August 15 - 20.

Have a great weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters

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2090. Grothar
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Wettest tropical cyclone
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Quoting 2087. SuperStorm093:
what are the winds in MPH on UTOR?

There is this thing called Google where you can search for a tool to convert knots to MPH.
Going off the past JTWC advisory, 100kts = 115mph.
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what are the winds in MPH on UTOR?
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2086. Grothar
Quoting 2077. BaltimoreBrian:


Norway became re-independent surprisingly late in 1905.


Yes, I know. And took a Dane as the first King.
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2084. JLPR2
The convection of the TW around the CV area is confined to one band on the SE side of the low, meanwhile that TW around -18E is looking good. Really want to see how that one does when it hits water.

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Quoting 2076. redwagon:
There's some weird bright light coming out of a big black mass in the sky over my house, think I'm gonna call LEO, or maybe the HOA. It's making a racket, too.


You know you've got to give an update on this...
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Quoting 2080. Grothar:


Yritän sitä. Se on hyvä asia LakeWorthFinn ei ole täällä.



Se on viela parempi asia LakeWorthFinn ei ole moderaattori!
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2081. Grothar
Utor is one mean looking storm.

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2080. Grothar
Quoting 2074. BaltimoreBrian:


Tehda ohjaus-alt-delete ja sitten katsoa prosessin ja klikkaa plugin astiaan ja sitten Lopeta prosessi.


Yritän sitä. Se on hyvä asia LakeWorthFinn ei ole täällä.

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2079. Grothar
Quoting 2043. CosmicEvents:
Don't pay your doctor bills in full.
They won't let you die as long as you have a balance due.


My cell phone and cable are on a daily plan.
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Quoting 2071. HadesGodWyvern:


TY WILL MOVE AT THE SAME SPEED FOR THE NEXT 72 HOURS.
TY WILL MOVE WEST-NORTHWEST FOR THE NEXT 72 HOURS.
4.INTENSITY FORECAST
TY WILL KEEP PRESENT INTENSITY FOR NEXT 24 HOURS.
FI-NUMBER WILL BE 6.0 AFTER 24 HOURS.=

might be closer to category four of 115 knots after 24 hours

usually a T6.0 is 95 knots (JMA 10 min sustained winds)
Very possible. It still has plenty of time over water before being disrupted by any landmass. If current trends continue, it should have no trouble reaching category 4 intensity.
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Quoting 2073. Grothar:



GRRRRRR. We are nothing alike. We've invaded each other for hundreds of years though. We actually do understand each other's languages. They really are more like dialects than separate languages. The Danes and Norwegians write the same, but the pronunciation is much different. We understand the Swedes more, but don't like them very much. J/k


Norway became re-independent surprisingly late in 1905.
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There's some weird bright light coming out of a big black mass in the sky over my house, think I'm gonna call LEO, or maybe the HOA. It's making a racket, too.
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Quoting 2062. Grothar:


I am not on Chrome anymore. I've had too much trouble. I have been on Firefox, but still having a lot of trouble with plug-ins.


Tehda ohjaus-alt-delete ja sitten katsoa prosessin ja klikkaa plugin astiaan ja sitten Lopeta prosessi.
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2073. Grothar
Quoting 2068. Orcasystems:


I always thought of the three (Swedish Danish Norwegian) of them as one country (Scandinavia) with 3 provinces :)

Sort of like the Carols (North & South Carolina)

(now I will run and hide)



GRRRRRR. We are nothing alike. We've invaded each other for hundreds of years though. We actually do understand each other's languages. They really are more like dialects than separate languages. The Danes and Norwegians write the same, but the pronunciation is much different. We understand the Swedes more, but don't like them very much. J/k
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Quoting 2039. yoboi:



I am sorry that I am not an expert with climate change like you.......I am actually trying to learn.....forgive me.... I did not know asking questions was a bad thing......If it makes you feel better....keeping talking down to me......if you keep trying to push me into a fight or flight response I will not take the flight response........


yoboi, in no way was I speaking down to you, just stating facts of how you've been asking the same questions for over a year and how you've been given detailed answers over and over and yet you come back with the same questions. I was pointing out how you get answers to your questions and then respond with only how you disagree with some cherry picked piece of information you've been given and never wanting to discuss the relevance of what you've been given. If you could explain to me how you haven't been able to connect the dots with all the great information provided to you over the last year to the extent you keep asking the same questions that have been answered time and time again at length, then I might understand your difficulties. I'm no expert, I just love to know the truth, and I arrive at that by detailed research, which is out there for anyone to seek. In fact Dr. Masters draws out a map on this very subject, right here at WU, which is impossible to not follow, unless one is choosing on ideological reasons not too.
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2071. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Quoting 2058. MiamiHurricanes09:

Further strengthening is forecast prior to landfall. JTWC calling for 110kts.


TY WILL MOVE AT THE SAME SPEED FOR THE NEXT 72 HOURS.
TY WILL MOVE WEST-NORTHWEST FOR THE NEXT 72 HOURS.
4.INTENSITY FORECAST
TY WILL KEEP PRESENT INTENSITY FOR NEXT 24 HOURS.
FI-NUMBER WILL BE 6.0 AFTER 24 HOURS.=

might be closer to category four of 115 knots after 24 hours

usually a T6.0 is 95 knots (JMA 10 min sustained winds)
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2069. Grothar
Quoting 2066. BaltimoreBrian:


Adblock helps


I have Adblock, still doesn't allow certain scripts to run. I never had that problem with IE
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Quoting 2060. Grothar:


Not much.


I always thought of the three (Swedish Danish Norwegian) of them as one country (Scandinavia) with 3 provinces :)

Sort of like the Carols (North & South Carolina)

(now I will run and hide)
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2067. Grothar
Quoting 2061. BaltimoreBrian:


Well there's always good ole Bokmal ;)


Bokmål is what I speak and write. I do not use Nynorsk at all. I understand it, but never use it. I do have friends that speak it.
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Quoting 2062. Grothar:


I am not on Chrome anymore. I've had too much trouble. I have been on Firefox, but still having a lot of trouble with plug-ins.


Adblock helps
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Quoting 2046. GTstormChaserCaleb:
What's that pink stuff over Texas, it can't be rain can it?


GT, whatever on earth did you do to the FIMset? It was a TX GO for weeks! Can you please fix it back? Patrap doesn't want this. Gro doesn't, either.
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Quoting 2025. skycycle:
So noone follows the W Pacific and can share some knowledge on Utor - intensity, potential threats and damage, how big of a storm might this turn out be...

looks to me like a steadily intensifying hurricane that mighht not stop until right before landfall in Luzon. Manila is infamous for flooding, IMO this could turn out very bad :/

Anyone with knowledge on the subject?


Many follow WPAC. For WPAC, in a nutshell...often the makings for rapid intensification, more strong storms than elsewhere on average, a right mess in the making at any time. They are used to it over there in a way. Though the infrastructure may not be, it's nothing uncommon, especially in say the Phillipines, they are in the line of fire quite often. Usually many amazing storms every year over there...and sadly many deadly ones though. Hard analysis, myself don't have time to go into any in any basin, but never trust a WPAC storm!
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Not at our house, we did receive 1/100th of an inch according to our rain gauge - the ground never got wet. SAD
Quoting 2046. GTstormChaserCaleb:
What's that pink stuff over Texas, it can't be rain can it?

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2062. Grothar
Quoting 2057. redwagon:


Did you ever fix your Chrome? I haven't had a chance to mess with it what with work. Still on explorer until I get a day off.


I am not on Chrome anymore. I've had too much trouble. I have been on Firefox, but still having a lot of trouble with plug-ins.
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Quoting 2060. Grothar:


Not much.


Well there's always good ole Nynorsk ;)
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2060. Grothar
Quoting 2056. BaltimoreBrian:


What's the difference ;) *hides*


Not much.
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2059. Grothar
Quoting 2045. clwstmchasr:


Does the wife ever get on the blog or would worlds collide (Seinfeld) if she did?


She doesn't believe in blogging. She has often said if she ever insults someone she would rather do it in person. She still does not believe I joined a blog. She is mostly Swedish. They are very reserved people you know.
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WP, 11, 2013081100, , BEST, 0, 144N, 1259E, 100, 948, XX, 34, NEQ, 115, 100, 100, 115, 1005, 200, 15, 0, 0, W, 0, X, 280, 11, UTOR, D, , , , , , , TCGP EXTRA DATA, WP112013, JTWC, NCEP_TCVITALS,

Further strengthening is forecast prior to landfall. JTWC calling for 110kts.

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Quoting 2029. Grothar:


Yes, the blog is quiet tonight. I even found myself having a conversation with Mrs. Grothar over dinner. She even remarked, "The tropics must be quiet?


Did you ever fix your Chrome? I haven't had a chance to mess with it what with work. Still on explorer until I get a day off.
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Quoting 2052. Grothar:


You would be better off writing to me in Danish. Your Norwegian is terrible.


What's the difference ;) *hides*
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Quoting 2050. pottery:


I've probably angered the Weather Demons (I think I've angered some bloggers too, LOL).



Naaahh, bud, but I did post to you at #1154. Think maybe you had left before I got it posted. ;)
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Quoting 2050. pottery:


Yeah, I noticed that...
And you sound rather pleased about it, too. :):))
But I'll have you know that I've been sowing the seeds of doubt hither and thither.
By my constant harping-on about ''there will be nothing in August'' I've probably angered the Weather Demons (I think I've angered some bloggers too, LOL).

Anyway, yer wrong.
Those Blobs you are seeing are just figments of your twisted mind.
Or was that Grothar? I can never remember who saw them first.

heheheheh


I am waiting for them to start... and you changing your avatar to Mold Man. (without the pink shoes please)
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2053. pottery
See you guys in the morning.\
Stay safe, all.
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2052. Grothar
Quoting 2041. BaltimoreBrian:


Jeg horte at du skulle bli den nye stjernen her. Snakk om typecasting!


You would be better off writing to me in Danish. Your Norwegian is terrible.
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2051. pottery
Quoting GTstormChaserCaleb:
Trinidad and Tobago is a nice place. Can't wait to go for Mas it's only the best Carnival in the islands. :D


Just do it.
It's a Complete Blast.
Especially Panorama.
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2050. pottery
Quoting Orcasystems:


In the long range Models... Pottery is going to get his. It shows multiples over his house.



Yeah, I noticed that...
And you sound rather pleased about it, too. :):))
But I'll have you know that I've been sowing the seeds of doubt hither and thither.
By my constant harping-on about ''there will be nothing in August'' I've probably angered the Weather Demons (I think I've angered some bloggers too, LOL).

Anyway, yer wrong.
Those Blobs you are seeing are just figments of your twisted mind.
Or was that Grothar? I can never remember who saw them first.

heheheheh
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Quoting 2032. BaltimoreBrian:


Yup

Thanks
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Quoting 2020. pottery:

Nice showers here most of the day. Gentle and soaking rain.
Thunder to the north.
Glorious sunset.

Life is good.
Trinidad and Tobago is a nice place. Can't wait to go for Mas it's only the best Carnival in the islands. :D
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2047. Kumo
Quoting 1937. RTSplayer:


Considering the most rapid part of the melt season is already past, I highly doubt any new record minimum would be set at all, and this may actually reset the whole melt scenario by a few years...


If solar cycle 24 continues to underperform to expectations and cycle 25 has an even weaker solar maximum as many solar physicists are predicting, combine this with a couple of VE6 volcanic explosions, and we could push that back even further. If by chance it happens, it won't mean that we can just forget about our mess, we'd still need to do some cleanup and continue R&D on alternate energy. Coal and oil ain't going to last forever.
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Quoting 2021. Patrap:
What's that pink stuff over Texas, it can't be rain can it?
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Quoting 1730. KoritheMan:


OMG OMG OMG
LOL LOL LOL it's been awhile aye Kori? Good evening everyone. Hot and humid night here along the West Coast of FL. feels like an oven out there.
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Quoting 2034. Grothar:


I don't know, I had to postpone it. They'll let me know sooner or later.
Don't pay your doctor bills in full.
They won't let you die as long as you have a balance due.
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Quoting 2040. Grothar:


:) He would know.


He might have to ask his much older neighbor...oh wait..sorry..that's you :)
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Quoting 2034. Grothar:


I don't know, I had to postpone it. They'll let me know sooner or later.


Jeg horte at du skulle bli den nye stjernen her. Snakk om typecasting!
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2040. Grothar
Quoting 2036. Orcasystems:


I don't know.. I'm not that old..we would have to ask RTLSNK


:) He would know.
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