TD 2 Crossing the Yucatan, Bringing Heavy Rains

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:44 PM GMT on June 18, 2013

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Tropical Depression Two is slowly spinning west-northwest across Belize after making landfall late Monday afternoon in southern Belize. The storm is bringing heavy rain to Belize, Northern Guatemala, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula, as seen on Belize radar and satellite loops. The center of TD 2 will remain over land all day Tuesday, but TD 2's west-northwest track may be able to bring the storm over the Gulf of Mexico's southern Bay of Campeche on Wednesday--if the storm hasn't dissipated by then. The Bay of Campeche is a region where the topography aids the spin-up of tropical cyclones, and TD 2 may have barely enough time to become Tropical Storm Barry with 40 mph winds before making landfall on Thursday between Veracruz and Tampico. However, the track of the storm may also keep it just inland during the remainder of the week, keeping it from ever getting to tropical storm strength. Heavy rains are the storm's main threat, but a ridge of high pressure over the Gulf of Mexico should keep any of TD 2's rains from reaching the U.S. Observations from an AMSU instrument on a polar orbiting satellite on Monday afternoon found that TD 2 had developed a modest warm core characteristic of a weak tropical storm, and it is possible that NHC will upgrade TD 2 to a tropical storm in post-analysis after the hurricane season is over. Elsewhere in the tropical Atlantic, none of the reliable computer models is showing tropical cyclone development in the next seven days.


Figure 1. MODIS satellite image of TD 2 taken on Monday afternoon, June 17, 2013. image credit: NASA.

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Quoting nigel20:

Hey TA!
Do you think that TD 2 could be upgraded to a TS in post season analysis as Dr Masters alluded to earlier?

Hey nigel.

Hard to say. It probably was a tropical storm, with the strongest winds occurring in the thunderstorms well northeast of the center. We won't know for sure because recon never went out. Satellite intensity estimates from UW-CIMSS...which are typically more bullish than others...only reached T2.4/34 knots (39 mph) before landfall. Surface observations weren't indicative of tropical storm strength either. But they did sound pretty confident the system was a tropical storm for a brief people of time based on that AMSU pass.

We'll see...in a few months.
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Quoting nigel20:

Hey TA!
Do you think that TD 2 could be upgraded to a TS in post season analysis as Dr Masters alluded to earlier?


Only on the basis that TD 2 might have blown down 2 trash cans and maybe a palm frawn.

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Quoting nigel20:

Hey TA!
Do you think that TD 2 could be upgraded to a TS in post season analysis as Dr Masters alluded to earlier?


We won't need to bother with that...once it gets into the BOC & GOM. ;)
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
By the way Environmental Science "Systems and Solutions" Third Edition has a similar chart in their textbook Figure 17-8. Which is by the way published material.

Sometimes in those sorts of textbooks, they will provide a list of references and/or citations to charts and graphics, sometimes even sections of text. Do they provide this information for that graphic in that book?

Work backwards to find the original source.
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Quoting daddyjames:


Don't buy too far North, the permafrost under your feet might turn out not to be too "perma" at all - leaving you with a slice of swampland instead. Kind of like the Canadian version of the Florida land scams almost a century ago.


Hey, the suckers, er, I mean "clients" & "investors" don't need to know all that! Or, maybe i can sell to eco-minded muck-farmers to help grow food for the masses.
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Quoting MechEngMet:


Okay I see where you are going. You are using Sherlock Holme's method of removing (disproving) theories until the only one left 'must be the case'. That works in mystery novels, but it can not be confused with science.

Well that's a bit much... those kinds of techniques can, and often are, used in science. Try other possibilities to increase your confidence in a hypothesis. Data may fit something very well, and even have a physical mechanism, but you look at other known physical mechanisms to see how the data fits as well.
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By the way Environmental Science "Systems and Solutions" Third Edition has a similar chart in their textbook Figure 17-8. Which is by the way published material.
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Quoting RTSplayer:


Birthmark doesn't comprehend that the error bars on most "proxy data" are larger than the graphs they are displayed on.

Evidence?
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
18z ATCF update says it's still a depression.

AL, 02, 2013061818, , BEST, 0, 181N, 915W, 25, 1009, TD, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0,

Hey TA!
Do you think that TD 2 could be upgraded to a TS in post season analysis as Dr Masters alluded to earlier?
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Quoting Birthmark:

I wouldn't be so sure in the case of those who advocate quick, even painful, and immediate action.


That is one extreme - doesn't help if you advocate a complete overthrow of the existing economy.

The other extreme is doing nothing about it, or worse, doing more to exacerbate the situation.

Neither is healthy, or good. Meeting in the middle, and working together is the best way to go about things.
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487. SLU
Quoting daddyjames:
". . . to talk climate change in Tea Party country."

Great, if going by the rules of the road, politics AND AGW will be featured content on today's blog. Should make interesting day! :D

G'morning.

Beautiful day here in Central OK. Relatively cool outside with a chance of rain later on.

Listening to the live show, just to hear the sparks fly . . . as they might later on here today. Brace yourselves. :D

Hope all is well with everyone.

@SLU - from the previous blog, you made a comment regarding the Indian Ocean Index. I was wondering about that and may ask a question later, if you're around.


Yes James. What's the question?
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Just trying to discern if the MLC has made it into the BOC yet. Best guess is it is just inland will go into BOC a little north of Cuidad Carmen.....just my guesstimate
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485. ARiot
Quoting MahFL:


You obviously don't pay for gasoline to fill your car up then ?


If you don't think gasoline is cheap, then go out on foot and duplicate the energy over time required to walk 20 miles. While on foot, go ahead and plan to bring back 40lbs of groceries on your return.

Now tell me a gallon of gas at $4 USD isn't dirt cheap.

If you don't think coal and natural gas are cheap, then go out on foot today and duplicate the energy over time required to chop wood or gather biofuel to heat a 1000 square foot living space to acceptable conditions for a period of time.

If you don't think fossil fuel byproducts like plastic are cheap, wrap your lunch in paper you made from bee's wax or in a large leaf you harvested, or in a cloth that you hand wash at the end of every day and air dry over night.

Similarly, I'd like to hear about your grocery shopping if that fertilizer wasn't cheap and abundant. Limiting the growth of food and care of livestock to what land is naturally suited to their production would be a near revolutionary upheaval in the modern world.

Like I said, every part, every facet of the modern world is totally connected to cheap fossil fuel (and fossil water, by the way).

So even though I know that is the most significant climate force in AGW. I also do not expect man to change that forcing. He can't, due to his discount rate (hyperbolic discounting). That's why I posted that it is admirable to educate others about AGW / Climate Forcing, but it is time to begin adaptation since it too faces the near impossible hurdle of man's tendancy for hyperbolic discounting.
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Alright I get it now, thanks for teaming up, if you don't like what I post then ignore it. But I will keep posting charts from various scientists in all fields whether you like them or not.
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Quoting ILwthrfan:


This is very true, but at the same time I can also test solar activity vs. the same temperature change to see if there is any correlation and guess what?



Correlation of +.045. Which means there is absolutely no significant correlation or relationship between the change in temperatures we are seeing versus solar output of the sun. So the sun is not causing the warming we are see.

See we can keep building on this idea one idea at a time. :)



Source: Residual Analysis.



Okay I see where you are going. You are using Sherlock Holme's method of removing (disproving) theories until the only one left 'must be the case'. That works in mystery novels, but it can not be confused with science.
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Quoting boltdwright:


I am sorry but that is a pretty ignorant statement. The employees of the National Hurricane Center make it their living to be as accurate as they possibly can. It is a little dis-respectful of you to say something like that. Every single person in the field of Meteorology makes it their goal to be as accurate as they can be. If they're not trying, or caring, we are all in deep trouble. As a meteorologist it is always my goal to be as accurate as possible.
yes and no, they smooth over changes. I'm just a step ahead, risky but I think more accurate in this case.
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Fine, but if we chose to say one group is wrong over another then how do we know who we can even trust?

Trust no one. Read the reputably published, peer-reviewed science.
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Quoting WalkingInTheSun:


1. I did say that. Did not. Did too. Nu-uh. Stop it.
2. I'm a Walking In The Sun
3. Yeah, so don't hate me for it.
4. I feel threatened by climate change - not.
5. Q: What happened when the obstetrician carried a chicken across the road? She caused a scene on the other side.
6. Will climate change affect whether kids can see boy-named storms & girl-named storms using the same weather-room at news stations?
7. Do administrators really get to circumvent their anger on weather bans?
8. No spam. Eet Moor Chiken.

Your attempt at humor is pathetic. Just saying.
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Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:


Just some scattered rain showers with EX TD2. We've been getting more in rain in one afternoon then what TD 2 was produced so far since interacting with Mexico.
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Quoting daddyjames:


Ah, but if you state that warming is debatable, then the other side has won . . . that point should not be up for debate. If it is, then the game is lost before it even gets started.


It's all semantics. I and those who know the truth behind the science know it's not debatable. But it is being debated. The Right do a remarkable job of hoodwinking the uninformed masses. The Left do a horrible job of debating the truth. The citizens who know the science and the scientists are doing all the heavy lifting. You and I know it's not debatable. But if the science is overwhelming, which it is, and 40% of people here and abroad believe it's not happening; who's really winning the debate?
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Quoting MechEngMet:



You sir are absolutely correct that "Correlation is not cause". This same data set could be used (mis-used) to show that rising temperature is causing the release of CO2 (from the oceans).


EDIT error, chart depicts sunspot # without 11 year solar mean vs. Temperature.-

This is very true, but at the same time I can also test solar activity vs. the same temperature change to see if there is any correlation and guess what?



Correlation of plus .045. Which means there is absolutely no significant correlation or relationship between the change in temperatures we are seeing versus solar output of the sun. So the sun is not causing the unexplained warming we are seeing.

See we can keep building on this idea one idea at a time. :)



Source: Residual Analysis.
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Quoting WalkingInTheSun:


What I want to know is, where can I get a big loan to start buying Canadian real estate to flip in warmer days?

Have you tried a bank? My understanding is that they do that sort of thing.
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Quoting ScottLincoln:

It's outdated information. And also it is on a very relative scale that is more qualitative than quantitative.
It is hard to discuss it further without more metadata. What is the y-axis? How was the averaging done? Is it global or regional sources? What proxies were used to estimate the temperature?
I understand, but that wasn't even the intent of posting that, but just to give a generalization to earth's climate on timeline scale.
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Quoting daddyjames:


Warming is not debatable - what to do about it, or whether we should do something about it - is being debated.

And, yes, I agree that extreme elements on both sides are ridiculous.

I wouldn't be so sure in the case of those who advocate quick, even painful, and immediate action.
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Quoting 62901IL:

Impossible.
Center becoming very difficult to locate=it is gone or will be by next advisory.

It's not very difficult to locate though.

91.5W 18.1N

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Quoting Bluestorm5:


New community manager removed rule #11 when she took over on April 30th. I'm sure the Rules of the Road link at the bottom of comment section will get changed eventually as well.

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1. I did say that. Did not. Did too. Nu-uh. Stop it.
2. I'm a Walking In The Sun
3. Yeah, so don't hate me for it.
4. I feel threatened by climate change - not.
5. Q: What happened when the obstetrician carried a chicken across the road? She caused a scene on the other side.
6. Will climate change affect whether kids can see boy-named storms & girl-named storms using the same weather-room at news stations?
7. Do administrators really get to circumvent their anger on weather bans?
8. No spam. Eet Moor Chiken.

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Quoting centex:
Might as well put yellow circle in BOC to be accurate. Not that anyone cares about being accurate.


I am sorry but that is a pretty ignorant statement. The employees of the National Hurricane Center make it their living to be as accurate as they possibly can. It is a little dis-respectful of you to say something like that. Every single person in the field of Meteorology makes it their goal to be as accurate as they can be. If they're not trying, or caring, we are all in deep trouble. As a meteorologist it is always my goal to be as accurate as possible.
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Quoting RTSplayer:


Site keeps getting worse and worse.


With Fame and Fortune(and deep-pocketed investors):

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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Fine, but if we chose to say one group is wrong over another then how do we know who we can even trust?, To me you need Earth Scientists who study and specialize in rock formations and the soil to reconstruct what the atmosphere was like back then. Besides that graph only goes back to the year 500 while the one I posted is longer but most importantly it's just a generalization of events that occurred in ice ages and inter-glaciations. Saying it's in mass error is a bit extreme and goes against the aims of textbook material which is to give a generalization of the earth's past climate. Me, you, no one on here, not even the experts have the specifics to that, these are all just averages and generalizations. Done.


Simple - look at the data.
Actual temperature curves based on direct observation, as well as fairly high-resolution ice core, stable isotope, varve, pollen, karst features, and geochemical signals allow us to develop a pretty good idea of what the global temperatures were doing. The chart you presented doesn't match the data-- that makes it pretty suspect, whether or not it's pretty enough for a generalized textbook is immaterial.
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Fine, but if we chose to say one group is wrong over another then how do we know who we can even trust?, To me you need Earth Scientists who study and specialize in rock formations and the soil to reconstruct what the atmosphere was like back then. Besides that graph only goes back to the year 500 while the one I posted is longer but most importantly it's just a generalization of events that occurred in ice ages and inter-glaciations. Saying it's in mass error is a bit extreme and goes against the aims of textbook material which is to give a generalization of the earth's past climate. Me, you, no one on here, not even the experts have the specifics to that, these are all just averages and generalizations. Done.


Birthmark doesn't comprehend that the error bars on most "proxy data" are larger than the graphs they are displayed on.
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Quoting Qazulight:


DUDE!

That is a serious glass of whiskey.

"But OFFICER! (In and whiny voice) I only had one drink.

Cheers
Qazulight

LOL!
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
How's that nonsense? When first of all this is done by a meteorologist and a climatologist together, besides most Earth Science textbooks have this kinds of information.

It's outdated information. And also it is on a very relative scale that is more qualitative than quantitative.
It is hard to discuss it further without more metadata. What is the y-axis? How was the averaging done? Is it global or regional sources? What proxies were used to estimate the temperature?
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Quoting 62901IL:

BOM? Do you mean BOC?
corrected, thanks
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Quoting seminolesfan:


Here's the Crow I've enjoyed from Andrea...


Looks like I've picked a half decent time to take a break from posting to the main blog. :)


DUDE!

That is a serious glass of whiskey.

"But OFFICER! (In and whiny voice) I only had one drink.

Cheers
Qazulight
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Quoting Naga5000:


This get's really difficult really fast, but it may answer your question. Link

To try and simply answer the question, the margin of error in this case stems mainly from the difficulty of aerosol measurements. Even with that particular difficulty contributing heavily to the net margin of error, the data still shows a net positive forcing.


No time to sit and read this now, but I will thanks.
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Quoting centex:
I thing the board area of circulation is mid level. This storm has always had a strong mid level, why it interest me. Actually I would put an orange circle in BOM.

BOM? Do you mean BOC?
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Edit.
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Quoting centex:
Very difficult = can not find and giving benefit of doubt based on tools they have.
I think the board area of circulation is mid level. This storm has always had a strong mid level, why it interest me. Actually I would put an orange circle in BOC.
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Quoting Tribucanes:
To fight the truth of man driven GW for the furthering of Big Business/political interests is akin to ignoring the lion that's about to consume your neighbor so you can have the time to grab your wallet and get away before the lion consumes you too. All the while knowing the lion will eventually catch your's and your neighbor's children and consume them. Now I'm not saying all who fight the truth of man driven GW have an agenda. There are many who simply won't do the research, or only believe what those in their political party tell them, or just don't have the ability to properly assimilate the information. This lack of ability to assimilate the information is usually due to grandiose thinking that they are smarter or have some base of "secret" knowledge that the 97% of climate scientists don't. This ball is rolling down hill, and it's only picking up speed.
Good post---Greed is behind almost all of the serious problems the Earth and Humans face. People CAN be successful without being greedy. About a half a year ago, there was a post stating that greed is good, and in order to be successful, it was a quality vital to the task. Nothing could be further from the truth. Many folks make huge amounts of money while being not only humble, but generous to others and benefiting the world in the process instead of polluting it along the way. I have seen with my own eyes how greed has overtaken judgement with people and the land paying a huge price.
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Site keeps getting worse and worse.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
18z ATCF update says it's still a depression.

AL, 02, 2013061818, , BEST, 0, 181N, 915W, 25, 1009, TD, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0,

Impossible.
Center becoming very difficult to locate=it is gone or will be by next advisory.
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Quoting Tribucanes:



I agree that man driven climate change is proven scientific fact. But apparently it is debatable based on what I see here. :) Not to mention in the House and the Senate where the Right debate with a lot of success that man driven climate change isn't happening. I base that on the 40% of the US populace that believe that with great conviction. It's a dangerous game being played.


Ah, but if you state that warming is debatable, then the other side has won . . . that point should not be up for debate. If it is, then the game is lost before it even gets started.
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Quoting MechEngMet:



Nea is a scientist ???!

It was meant to read "and also the scientists" but the wording turned out confusing. I'm not 100% of Neapolitan's credentials or history as a scientist one way or the other - but he certainly gets his scientific information correct more often than many. The original post is corrected.
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18z ATCF update says it's still a depression.

AL, 02, 2013061818, , BEST, 0, 181N, 915W, 25, 1009, TD, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0,
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For starters:
- What are the units on the Y axis? Dimensionless degree of hunch?
- Most of the 'events' were not global, if they happened at all.
- It's almost entirely Euro-centric. The few grains of truth are mainly that warm periods in Europe tend to be locally beneficial, mainly due to increased agricultural productivity in marginal lands.
Overall, it's a good illustration of why it has been so important to develop the global temperature records as posted by Birthmark in #415.
Quoting GTcooliebai:
How's that nonsense? When first of all this is done by a meteorologist and a climatologist together, besides most Earth Science textbooks have this kinds of information.

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Apparent duplicate post removed which was correction of #443.
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Goodbye, TD 2 Nice knowing ya...
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Quoting biff4ugo:
Thermometers, Tide gages, and photographs are not inherently political.

Nor sea ice, nor plants, nor fauna...
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Quoting centex:
Very difficult = can not find and giving benefit of doubt based on tools they have.

Oh, I get it.
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Quoting ScottLincoln:

So your refutation to Neapolitan is a question about Al Gore's science credentials. Your hidden claim there is that
1) Al Gore is not a climate scientist
2) People who are not climate scientists should not be referenced as good sources

That's a good claim. Problem is, Neapolitan and the other scientists on this blog discussing climate science typically reference peer-reviewed journal articles, science articles, blogs by scientists, etc. I'm also not sure when he has referenced a Gore book for information? A book written by a not-so-well-known non-scientist is not the same. You made an apples to oranges comparison.



Nea is a scientist ???!
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