Tornado Scientist Tim Samaras and Team Killed in Friday's El Reno, OK Tornado

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 5:43 PM GMT on June 02, 2013

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Veteran tornado scientist Tim Samaras, his son, environmental photographer Paul Samaras, 24, and meteorologist Carl Young, 45, died while chasing Friday's EF-3 tornado in El Reno, Oklahoma. The tornado killed at least nine people, in total. "Thank you to everyone for the condolences. It truly is sad that we lost my great brother Tim and his great son, Paul," said the brother of Tim Samaras, Jim Samaras, on Tim's Facebook page. "They all unfortunately passed away but doing what they LOVED." Tim, his son Paul, and Carl Young were all featured chasers on the Discovery Channel’s series, Storm Chasers, and Tim was known throughout the chase community as a conscientious and safety-minded chaser. Carl Young, who holds a Masters degree in meteorology from the University of Nevada, joined Samaras in the field in 2003. According to his Discovery Channel biography, Young and Samaras chased over 125 tornadoes together: "Carl's finest moment came on June 11, 2004 near Storm Lake, Iowa. Working with Tim, they defied the odds and deployed their probes right in the path of a tornado. The six-camera video probe captured amazing footage from multiple angles while the sensor probe recorded data that revealed just how fast wind speeds are close to the ground."


Figure 1. TWC's Mike ‪Bettes‬ crew caught this image of the El Reno, Oklahoma tornado of May 31, 2013 before the tornado caught them and rolled their vehicle. The tornado killed tornado scientists/storm chasers Tim Samaras, Paul Samaras, and Carl Young.


Figure 2. Storm chasers in North Dakota aligned themselves to spell out "T S" in honor of Tim Samaras today. Image credit: spotternetwork.org.

Tornado science loses a pioneer
Tim Samaras had been a tornado scientist for over 25 years. He was the founder of TWISTEX, the Tactical Weather Instrumented Sampling in Tornadoes Experiment, a 2011 field experiment designed to help learn more about tornadoes and increase lead time for warnings, which resulted in many peer-reviewed publications and conference presentations. One of Tim Samaras' most widely recognized contributions to tornado science is his placement of an aerodynamically-designed probe in the path of an EF-4 tornado near Manchester, South Dakota on June 24, 2003. The probe measured a world-record pressure fall of 100 mb over a 40 second period.

One of the publications from the TWISTEX program, "Near-Ground Pressure and Wind Measurements in Tornadoes" recounts this close call Tim had in a tornado in 2011: "As the storm approached, the crew noted that the supercell was moving more sharply to the right of its former course, placing them near the projected path of the low-level mesocyclone. The crew drove south on Highway 259, attempting to position south of the low-level mesocyclone before it crossed the highway. With considerable tree cover in this region hampering the visual observation of the storm's features, TWISTEX crews could not position south of the mesocyclone on Highway 259 before the mesocyclone reached this road. Thus, the two mobile mesonet stations, M2 and M3, had an unplanned tornado encounter with a developing tornadic circulation while the mesonet was traveling south on Highway 259."


Figure 3. One of Tim Samaras' most widely recognized contributions to tornado science is his placement of an aerodynamically-designed probe in the path of an EF-4 tornado near Manchester, South Dakota on June 24, 2003. The probe measured a world-record pressure fall of 100 mb over a 40 second period. See the NWS article and conference paper on the event. Thanks to wunderground member Scott Lincoln for this link.

A storm chasers' nightmare
Cars and tornadoes can prove a dangerous mix even for the world's most experienced storm chasers. Driving at high speeds though heavy rain, large hail, and high winds is hazardous. If one is lucky enough to chase down a tornado, even the most experienced chasers can find themselves in a serious life-threatening situation when unexpected events occur. The exact circumstances of the deaths of Tim Samaras and his team are not clear, but the El Reno tornado was an extremely dangerous one to chase. Tornadoes by their nature are unpredictable, and can change course unexpectedly, or pop up suddenly. It's particularly dangerous when a tornado is wrapped in rain, making it hard to see, or if a chaser is operating in a heavily populated area, where roads may suddenly become congested. All four of these conditions occurred Friday during the El Reno tornado. The El Reno tornado was wrapped in rain and difficult to see as it headed west towards Oklahoma City, and suddenly made a jog to the southeast as a Weather Channel team led by Mike Bettes was attempting to get in front of the storm, and the tornado lifted their vehicle off the ground, rolled it multiple times, and hurled it 200 yards into a nearby field. Austin Anderson was driving the Tornado Hunt vehicle, and suffered several broken bones and was hospitalized. Although Austin will have to undergo surgery in the next few days, doctors say he is expected to make a full recovery. StormChasingVideo.com storm chaser Brandon Sullivan and his chase partner Brett Wright got caught in the tornado northwest of Union City, OK and slammed with debris as the tornado hit a barn that exploded in front of them. Meteorologist Emily Sutton and storm chaser Kevin Josefy of local Oklahoma City TV station KFOR also had a very close call with the El Reno tornado Friday afternoon. They got too close to the tornado, and were forced to floor the car in reverse to escape flying debris. With branches of trees crashing around them, Sutton began feeling debris hitting her back, and realized that the rear windshield of the car must have gotten destroyed. Both were uninjured. Reed Timmer's armor-plated "Dominator" chase vehicle had its hood torn off by the tornado. Wunderground member Levi32 was out storm chasing during the El Reno Tornado, and got stuck in traffic on Highway 4 and couldn't move. "We looked up above the car and saw the wall cloud over top of us, with very quick rotation and rising scud indicating the updraft. We were definitely too close."


Video 1. Severe storm researcher and engineer Tim Samaras talks about his view on tornadoes and what remains to be understood in this interview posted on May 21, 2013.


Video 2. A tornado passes over one of Tim Samaras' specially designed six-camera video probes on June 11, 2004 near Storm Lake, Iowa.

Tornadoes and cars: a dangerous mix
A vehicle is about the worst place you can be in a tornado, as the tornado's winds can easily roll a car. (The only place less safe is probably a mobile home, as a tornado's winds can roll mobile homes almost as readily, and mobile homes don't come with seat belts and air bags.) At least five of the deaths in Friday's El Reno tornado occurred in vehicles. There was one local TV station that urged residents without underground shelters to get in their cars and "get south" in advance of the tornado that was approaching Oklahoma City, since chasers were reporting that the El Reno tornado may have been so strong that only an underground shelter would have provided adequate protection. This terrible piece of advice likely contributed to the incredible traffic jams that we saw on I-35, I-40, I-44, and other local roads Friday night. Thousands of cars were bumper-to-bumper on the roads as a dangerous tornado approached them. Had the El Reno tornado plowed directly down one of these car-choked interstates, the death toll could have easily exceeded 500. If you are located in a metro area and don't have an underground shelter, the best thing to do it to take shelter in an interior windowless room or hallway, with protective furniture over your body. Getting in a car and attempting to flee the tornado is the worst thing you can do in an urban area. You may not be able to see the tornado if it is dark or the tornado is wrapped in rain. You are likely to encounter hazardous winds, rain, and hail, run into unexpected traffic, or flooded or debris-blocked roads that will put you directly in the path of the tornado. Even without an underground shelter, most people will be able to survive a dangerous EF-4 tornado. Case in point: during the Mannsford, Oklahoma EF- 4 tornado of 1984, a packed church received a direct hit, and everyone in the church survived. The only fatality was a man who drove to the church to get his wife. It is often better to abandon your vehicle and take shelter in a ditch, if you are caught in a car during a tornado. However, if there is already flying debris in the air, leaving your car and exposing yourself to the debris in order to get to a ditch may be more hazardous than staying in your car. Furthermore, ditches are prone to flash floods. Four deaths during the El Reno tornado were from a family of seven that sheltered in a drainage ditch, and were washed into the Deep Fork River by a flash flood. Searchers are still looking for the other three bodies. A 2002 research paper, "UNSAFE AT ANY (WIND) SPEED? Testing the Stability of Motor Vehicles in Severe Winds" found that: "The stability and superior safety of being in a vehicle in severe winds, relative to occupying a mobile home or being outdoors, should be considered." Also, TWC's severe weather expert, Dr. Greg Forbes, commented on the pros and cons of abandoning one's vehicle for a ditch in a 2009 blog post, "Tornado Safety - Cars Versus Ditches: A Controversy." His personal take on what he would do if his car was being overtaken by a tornado, and no sturdy buildings were nearby to take shelter in: "I can't see myself getting out of the vehicle. I'd try first to drive away from the tornado. Both the NWS and the American Red Cross actually also advocate this. If you can determine which way the tornado is moving toward, face your body toward that direction and then go to the right, as shown in the diagram below. That is usually toward the south or southeast. The reason that it's best to head this way is that if you went to the left you would normally get into the region where largest hail and blinding rain occur in the kind of supercell, rotating thunderstorms that often spawn tornadoes. If I had no such driving option and I did feel the urge to get out of my car, I'd try to get into a building, and into a ditch well away from the car as the last resort."

My condolences and prayers go to all of the family and friends of Tim Samaras, Paul Samaras, and Carl Young. Their deaths are a terrible shock to the meteorological community, and a great loss for tornado science. I hope that their deaths will lead towards safer tornado chasing, and help spur efforts to use emerging drone technology to take measurements in dangerous storms such as tornadoes and hurricanes.

Jeff Masters

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MET OFFICE TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE FOR NORTH-EAST PACIFIC



AND ATLANTIC



GLOBAL MODEL DATA TIME 12UTC 02.06.2013



NEW TROPICAL STORM FORECAST TO DEVELOP AFTER 72 HOURS

FORECAST POSITION AT T+ 72 : 25.1N 89.0W



VERIFYING TIME POSITION STRENGTH TENDENCY

-------------- -------- -------- --------

12UTC 05.06.2013 25.1N 89.0W WEAK

00UTC 06.06.2013 26.1N 90.2W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

12UTC 06.06.2013 26.3N 88.9W MODERATE INTENSIFYING RAPIDLY

00UTC 07.06.2013 27.9N 86.9W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

12UTC 07.06.2013 31.7N 83.2W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

00UTC 08.06.2013 35.7N 78.5W MODERATE INTENSIFYING SLIGHTLY

12UTC 08.06.2013 38.5N 74.4W STRONG INTENSIFYING RAPIDLY





THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE

RSMCS. IT REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY TROPICAL CYCLONE SPECIALISTS

AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT





MET OFFICE, EXETER, UK


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The CMC has, and always will be focused on the continent during the winter. It has never done well for the tropics, and quite honestly, likely never will. Its intent is to focus on Canada, during their worst weather season - the winter.

The Euro and GFS are both global in nature, and are much better references for tropical cyclogenesis.

The NAM is best for watching the synoptic pattern and how it will influence an already-formed storm.

The GFDL and HWRF are best for watching an already-formed storm on a smaller scale.

And the NOGAPS and UKMET are there to give additional viewpoints on a global scale.

Trying to hang your hat on a CMC run is akin to bet on a horse race using a Sports Illustrated magazine as your guide. (hint: its pretty useless)

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My condolences go to the family and friends of Tim Samaras, Paul Samaras, and Carl Young. They will be remembered by many for their work and dedication.
RIP Tim, Paul, and Carl!
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Tornado Warning for Penobscot and Piscataquis Counties in ME until 2:30 PM EDT
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Quoting Ricki13th:


It wants to split the low. Otherwise that looks like a weak TS.
The GFS might be suffering from feedback issues that's why it has been on and off with development.
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
The ECMWF and CMC have the same exact track.





Well I don't like it. southeast nc here
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Looks like the GFS is alone now.

12z ECMWF

Can you post the full run?
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The ECMWF and CMC have the same exact track.



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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Looks like the GFS is alone now.

12z ECMWF



It wants to split the low. Otherwise that looks like a weak TS.
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Condolences to the Samaras and Young families.

Hopefully the chasing community and the weather channel can organize an investigation to find out what happened and learn lessons to prevent this in the future.

I was discussing this with a Search and Rescue team member in Colorado. We were comparing it to a recent avalanche that killed 5 very experienced backcountry travelers in May. Many of the rescuers in that incident were surprised at the route the group caught in the avalanche took feeling it was a poor choice. One factor suspected is a type of group think. Someone made the decision to cross a known avalanche terrain trap. The group as a whole may have failed to adequately question the decision, knowing it came from an expert.

In Oklahoma there were a number of experienced storm chasers on site. In retrospect it appears several poor decisions may have been made. They were on the north side of a rain wrapped tornado, with only a north/south road available. There were also traffic concerns. I wonder if the number of experienced storm chasers gave a false sense of security to the group and perpetuated errors in decision making?
Hopefully a full investigation can take place. It is easy to write it off as a freak occurrence but I suspect if they dig into what happened a lot can be learned that will help protect people in the future.
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Very sad to read about these great people ... RIP Tim, Paul and Carl ... You can never be safe enough in these violent weather conditions ...
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Looks like the GFS is alone now.

12z ECMWF

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Quoting FOREX:


Are the GFS and EURO still disagreeing with the CMC?


12z GFS shows nothing in special, euro also shows weak system, CMC is the only who shows a strong system!!!!

Correction: 12z EURO is showing something!!!
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2:14 p.m. EDT Sunday: Quarter-sized hail reported near Chittenden, Vt.
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Thanks For the new blog; absolutely devastating to hear this, my condolences to the family.
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Crown Weather thinks it has a higher chance of becoming the first storm of the season Andrea. As the GFS is calling for less shear.

Link
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Quoting stormchaser19:


Naaaaa!!!!!CMC need to prove!!!!


Are the GFS and EURO still disagreeing with the CMC?
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Quoting scottsvb:
Stormchaser19 is betting his creditablity on the CMC forecast coming out for Andrea. We will see :)


I don't honestly think any of the models have a clue about this situation, it's such a tedious situation but I think we all can agree the CMC is being overzealous as usual.
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They're the only storm chasers I consider true heroes, they were incredibly professional in their attitude and a tribute to all meteorologists. They didn't die trying to get a "thrill," but they were attempting to gather real data to alert the public. I never figured it would be them that would get killed doing this, they were the most cautious team there was. Rest in peace.
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Quoting SouthernIllinois:
Drone technology will help improve efforts to contribute to science and studying efforts, but it will in no way curtail people who wish to experience the thrill of chasing. I personally would never do it and thinks it's nuts, but I think folks who go about this endeavor know exactly what they are getting into. It is the thrill, and also the stories that may come from it. Hardly no different than base jumpers or running with the Bulls. Again, very nutty (I'll choose my computer and TV to views others happily :-)), but to each his/her own.

Unless and until the FAA changes its rules about using drones in US airspace, drones will be almost worthless for tornado research. Current rules are that the drone operator must have the drone in continuous (e.g. eyeball, not remote TV) contact with the vehicle at all times. This is obviously not going to work too well with a rain-wrapped tornado within a thunderstorm with a top of 40,000 feet. Flying drones around in airspace occupied by GA and commericial traffic is a little different than flying one over the wide open spaces of Afghanistan.
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Condolences to their family and friends. Such a great loss.
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Quoting scottsvb:
Stormchaser19 is betting his creditablity on the CMC forecast coming out for Andrea. We will see :)


Naaaaa!!!!!CMC need to prove!!!!
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Tstorm capable of producing a tornado will be near Baxter St. Park, ME
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hey guys after look over Sfc obs
there seem to be a LLC forming although it is weak centered around 16N 87W
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28. 7544
and we have a BLOB ! again ? wheres gro
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Stormchaser19 is betting his creditablity on the CMC forecast coming out for Andrea. We will see :)
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1:45 p.m. EDT Sunday: A violent thunderstorm dropped penny-sized hail and downed trees and wires in Castleton, Vt.
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Quoting tropicalnewbee:
So... Storm does that mean the CMC is quite a bit more reliable than in previous years? Should we pay more attention to what it says comparing with the GFS and euro?

Umm...no. The upgrades were mainly to improve winter storm forecasting, something the CMC has always been relatively good at. The CMC is pretty good at picking up where a low might form almost anywhere in North America, but its record with path and strength for tropical and subtropical systems has been dismal at best. I would have to see some operational evidence that this has changed with the new upgrades before putting a lot of faith in the CMC for tropical systems.
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Very sad. My heart goes out to family and friends. When it's my turn to go I think I would like to be doing something that I really love.
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I understand from other tweets I've seen that they have not been able to locate the crew's camera/video. It wasn't in the vehicle apparently. So, they're hoping to find it in order to see what went wrong.
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Death toll from Friday's tornadoes in Oklahoma increases to 10
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tornado in the northeast today
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Quoting stormchaser19:
Thanks.Dr.Masters..
From the previous blog

CMC UPGRADE
MAJOR UPGRADE TO THE GLOBAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM GDPS-
VERSION 3.0.0) AT THE CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTRE
ON WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 13, 2013, STARTING WITH THE 1200 UTC RUN, THE
CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTRE (CMC) OF THE METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE
OF CANADA (MSC) WILL IMPLEMENT VERSION 3.0.0 OF ITS GLOBAL
DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (GDPS), HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS
GDPS-3.0.0. THE MAIN CHANGES OF THIS UPDATE ARE:

- CHANGES TO THE 4D-VAR DATA ASSIMILATION SYSTEM: - THE USE OF
ADDITIONAL REMOTE SENSING DATA: - AN INCREASE IN HORIZONTAL
RESOLUTION FROM 33 TO 25 KM: - IMPORTANT CHANGES IN THE GEM MODEL
PHYSICS: - AND 1200 UTC RUNS NOW DONE TO 240 HOURS AS FOR 0000 UTC
RUNS.

OBJECTIVE SCORES DONE IN DEVELOPMENT AND PARALLEL RUN PHASES SHOW
IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FORECASTS WITH MOST METRICS THROUGHOUT MOST OF
THE ATMOSPHERE, IN PARTICULAR OVER NORTH AMERICA IN WINTER. THESE
IMPROVEMENTS ARE OF AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE USUALLY SEEN ONLY ONCE IN
A DECADE.
A SUBJECTIVE EVALUATION BY OPERATIONAL METEOROLOGISTS AT
CMC CONFIRMED THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. OTHER FORECAST SYSTEMS WHICH
DEPEND ON GDPS OUTPUT ALSO BENEFIT FROM THE GDPS-3.0.0. CHANGES
WERE MADE TO THE REGIONAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (RDPS) TO
HARMONIZE IT WITH THE NEW GDPS, AND THE RDPS FORECASTS ARE ALSO
IMPROVED AS A RESULT, SO ITS VERSION NUMBER IS ALSO INCREASED TO
3.1.0, AND IS HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS RDPS-3.1.0.



CMC seems to be "tuned" for Canada. Anomaly correlation for the Northern Hemisphere (20N-80N) sea level pressure is good:




In the tropics (20S-20N) not so good:

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Quoting tropicalnewbee:
So... Storm does that mean the CMC is quite a bit more reliable than in previous years? Should we pay more attention to what it says comparing with the GFS and euro?

I can tell you from discussing with other Mets and even the NWS itself the GFS and ECMWF are the ones that are most heavily used and relied on in forecasting.
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Everyone have a fantastic day. The recent unfortunate events have left a lot for people to mull over . . .
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So... Storm does that mean the CMC is quite a bit more reliable than in previous years? Should we pay more attention to what it says comparing with the GFS and euro?
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Sorry, Dr.Masters. While their deaths came far too soon, their research and contribution to the weather community will go on for ages.
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Thanks.Dr.Masters..
From the previous blog

CMC UPGRADE
MAJOR UPGRADE TO THE GLOBAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM GDPS-
VERSION 3.0.0) AT THE CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTRE
ON WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 13, 2013, STARTING WITH THE 1200 UTC RUN, THE
CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTRE (CMC) OF THE METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE
OF CANADA (MSC) WILL IMPLEMENT VERSION 3.0.0 OF ITS GLOBAL
DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (GDPS), HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS
GDPS-3.0.0. THE MAIN CHANGES OF THIS UPDATE ARE:

- CHANGES TO THE 4D-VAR DATA ASSIMILATION SYSTEM: - THE USE OF
ADDITIONAL REMOTE SENSING DATA: - AN INCREASE IN HORIZONTAL
RESOLUTION FROM 33 TO 25 KM: - IMPORTANT CHANGES IN THE GEM MODEL
PHYSICS: - AND 1200 UTC RUNS NOW DONE TO 240 HOURS AS FOR 0000 UTC
RUNS.

OBJECTIVE SCORES DONE IN DEVELOPMENT AND PARALLEL RUN PHASES SHOW
IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FORECASTS WITH MOST METRICS THROUGHOUT MOST OF
THE ATMOSPHERE, IN PARTICULAR OVER NORTH AMERICA IN WINTER. THESE
IMPROVEMENTS ARE OF AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE USUALLY SEEN ONLY ONCE IN
A DECADE.
A SUBJECTIVE EVALUATION BY OPERATIONAL METEOROLOGISTS AT
CMC CONFIRMED THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. OTHER FORECAST SYSTEMS WHICH
DEPEND ON GDPS OUTPUT ALSO BENEFIT FROM THE GDPS-3.0.0. CHANGES
WERE MADE TO THE REGIONAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (RDPS) TO
HARMONIZE IT WITH THE NEW GDPS, AND THE RDPS FORECASTS ARE ALSO
IMPROVED AS A RESULT, SO ITS VERSION NUMBER IS ALSO INCREASED TO
3.1.0, AND IS HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS RDPS-3.1.0.
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A sad day for Mets everywhere. Thought it was really cool how they aligned their signatures to spell TS. Nice tribute.
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1:35 p.m. EDT Sunday: Farther to the south in Virginia, a severe thunderstorm has developed in between Roanoke and Rocky Mount. The thunderstorm is headed northeastward toward the community of Bedford, Va.
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RIP
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Ping pong-sized hail just slammed Queensbury, NY
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There's no telling what kind of things him and his colleagues may have done in the future to advance our understanding and predictability of severe weather and tornadoes.

Thanks, Dr. Masters.

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Sad and troubling news.
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From the previous blog entry:From the previous blog entry:
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

...in order to gather information that may have made a big difference of what we know/understand about these storms. He didn't get close to the tornado just for the thrill of it, anybody that knew him would know that.
I'm not saying that he did. And the loss of any life is obviously tragic and sad. But Samaras--and, apparently, about a hundred other chasers--did intentionally place themselves in very close proximity to the approaching northeast quadrant of a massive, rain-wrapped, low-level mesocyclone that already had a history of producing funnels and behaving erratically. I am not in any way saying that Samaras deserved what happened to him. I'm only saying that what happened is not surprising--and, as Dr. Masters has said, it's surprising it hasn't already happened more often.
Quoting Jeff Masters:
My condolences go to all of the family and friends of Tim Samaras, Paul Samaras, and Carl Young. I hope that their deaths will lead towards safer tornado chasing, and help spur efforts to use emerging drone technology to take measurements in dangerous storms such as tornadoes and hurricanes.
I am in absolute agreement.
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Soo sad to hear the passing of these stormchasers who had a passion for their job and were probably well aware of the risks that come with it. RIP. I think all those with ties to the weather appreciated your business.
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thanks Dr. M. A sad day indeed, for a number of families.

Quoting sar2401:
Read up on FEMA P-361 safe room requirements. Any public facility that wants federal grant money to build a "safe room" must comply with the FEMA standards. . . . Oklahoma needs to look at Kansas, for example, about how to make progress at a state level, and stop waiting for the FEMA gravy train to pull into town.




daddyjames

That is exactly my point. The state and federal government officials are very vocal and public about resisting any "Federal" oversight, but have not provided any relief whatsoever.

Meanwhile, more reasonable local leaders, including Moore, have been applying and receiving federal FEMA grants to construct "safe rooms" at newly constructed or refurbished schools.

Many local region governments have passed bond initiatives to pay for public shelters and provide safe rooms for students.

I think the Moore Emergency Manager's comment that "You are on your own", and the actions of the MidWest City Commission to be irresponsible of public officials acting in the interest of the people they represent/manage and "horse hockey" - to borrow my favorite phrase from M.A.S.H.


In response to the previous discussion on the las blog.
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Thanks Doc.
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