Tornado Scientist Tim Samaras and Team Killed in Friday's El Reno, OK Tornado

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 5:43 PM GMT on June 02, 2013

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Veteran tornado scientist Tim Samaras, his son, environmental photographer Paul Samaras, 24, and meteorologist Carl Young, 45, died while chasing Friday's EF-3 tornado in El Reno, Oklahoma. The tornado killed at least nine people, in total. "Thank you to everyone for the condolences. It truly is sad that we lost my great brother Tim and his great son, Paul," said the brother of Tim Samaras, Jim Samaras, on Tim's Facebook page. "They all unfortunately passed away but doing what they LOVED." Tim, his son Paul, and Carl Young were all featured chasers on the Discovery Channel’s series, Storm Chasers, and Tim was known throughout the chase community as a conscientious and safety-minded chaser. Carl Young, who holds a Masters degree in meteorology from the University of Nevada, joined Samaras in the field in 2003. According to his Discovery Channel biography, Young and Samaras chased over 125 tornadoes together: "Carl's finest moment came on June 11, 2004 near Storm Lake, Iowa. Working with Tim, they defied the odds and deployed their probes right in the path of a tornado. The six-camera video probe captured amazing footage from multiple angles while the sensor probe recorded data that revealed just how fast wind speeds are close to the ground."


Figure 1. TWC's Mike ‪Bettes‬ crew caught this image of the El Reno, Oklahoma tornado of May 31, 2013 before the tornado caught them and rolled their vehicle. The tornado killed tornado scientists/storm chasers Tim Samaras, Paul Samaras, and Carl Young.


Figure 2. Storm chasers in North Dakota aligned themselves to spell out "T S" in honor of Tim Samaras today. Image credit: spotternetwork.org.

Tornado science loses a pioneer
Tim Samaras had been a tornado scientist for over 25 years. He was the founder of TWISTEX, the Tactical Weather Instrumented Sampling in Tornadoes Experiment, a 2011 field experiment designed to help learn more about tornadoes and increase lead time for warnings, which resulted in many peer-reviewed publications and conference presentations. One of Tim Samaras' most widely recognized contributions to tornado science is his placement of an aerodynamically-designed probe in the path of an EF-4 tornado near Manchester, South Dakota on June 24, 2003. The probe measured a world-record pressure fall of 100 mb over a 40 second period.

One of the publications from the TWISTEX program, "Near-Ground Pressure and Wind Measurements in Tornadoes" recounts this close call Tim had in a tornado in 2011: "As the storm approached, the crew noted that the supercell was moving more sharply to the right of its former course, placing them near the projected path of the low-level mesocyclone. The crew drove south on Highway 259, attempting to position south of the low-level mesocyclone before it crossed the highway. With considerable tree cover in this region hampering the visual observation of the storm's features, TWISTEX crews could not position south of the mesocyclone on Highway 259 before the mesocyclone reached this road. Thus, the two mobile mesonet stations, M2 and M3, had an unplanned tornado encounter with a developing tornadic circulation while the mesonet was traveling south on Highway 259."


Figure 3. One of Tim Samaras' most widely recognized contributions to tornado science is his placement of an aerodynamically-designed probe in the path of an EF-4 tornado near Manchester, South Dakota on June 24, 2003. The probe measured a world-record pressure fall of 100 mb over a 40 second period. See the NWS article and conference paper on the event. Thanks to wunderground member Scott Lincoln for this link.

A storm chasers' nightmare
Cars and tornadoes can prove a dangerous mix even for the world's most experienced storm chasers. Driving at high speeds though heavy rain, large hail, and high winds is hazardous. If one is lucky enough to chase down a tornado, even the most experienced chasers can find themselves in a serious life-threatening situation when unexpected events occur. The exact circumstances of the deaths of Tim Samaras and his team are not clear, but the El Reno tornado was an extremely dangerous one to chase. Tornadoes by their nature are unpredictable, and can change course unexpectedly, or pop up suddenly. It's particularly dangerous when a tornado is wrapped in rain, making it hard to see, or if a chaser is operating in a heavily populated area, where roads may suddenly become congested. All four of these conditions occurred Friday during the El Reno tornado. The El Reno tornado was wrapped in rain and difficult to see as it headed west towards Oklahoma City, and suddenly made a jog to the southeast as a Weather Channel team led by Mike Bettes was attempting to get in front of the storm, and the tornado lifted their vehicle off the ground, rolled it multiple times, and hurled it 200 yards into a nearby field. Austin Anderson was driving the Tornado Hunt vehicle, and suffered several broken bones and was hospitalized. Although Austin will have to undergo surgery in the next few days, doctors say he is expected to make a full recovery. StormChasingVideo.com storm chaser Brandon Sullivan and his chase partner Brett Wright got caught in the tornado northwest of Union City, OK and slammed with debris as the tornado hit a barn that exploded in front of them. Meteorologist Emily Sutton and storm chaser Kevin Josefy of local Oklahoma City TV station KFOR also had a very close call with the El Reno tornado Friday afternoon. They got too close to the tornado, and were forced to floor the car in reverse to escape flying debris. With branches of trees crashing around them, Sutton began feeling debris hitting her back, and realized that the rear windshield of the car must have gotten destroyed. Both were uninjured. Reed Timmer's armor-plated "Dominator" chase vehicle had its hood torn off by the tornado. Wunderground member Levi32 was out storm chasing during the El Reno Tornado, and got stuck in traffic on Highway 4 and couldn't move. "We looked up above the car and saw the wall cloud over top of us, with very quick rotation and rising scud indicating the updraft. We were definitely too close."


Video 1. Severe storm researcher and engineer Tim Samaras talks about his view on tornadoes and what remains to be understood in this interview posted on May 21, 2013.


Video 2. A tornado passes over one of Tim Samaras' specially designed six-camera video probes on June 11, 2004 near Storm Lake, Iowa.

Tornadoes and cars: a dangerous mix
A vehicle is about the worst place you can be in a tornado, as the tornado's winds can easily roll a car. (The only place less safe is probably a mobile home, as a tornado's winds can roll mobile homes almost as readily, and mobile homes don't come with seat belts and air bags.) At least five of the deaths in Friday's El Reno tornado occurred in vehicles. There was one local TV station that urged residents without underground shelters to get in their cars and "get south" in advance of the tornado that was approaching Oklahoma City, since chasers were reporting that the El Reno tornado may have been so strong that only an underground shelter would have provided adequate protection. This terrible piece of advice likely contributed to the incredible traffic jams that we saw on I-35, I-40, I-44, and other local roads Friday night. Thousands of cars were bumper-to-bumper on the roads as a dangerous tornado approached them. Had the El Reno tornado plowed directly down one of these car-choked interstates, the death toll could have easily exceeded 500. If you are located in a metro area and don't have an underground shelter, the best thing to do it to take shelter in an interior windowless room or hallway, with protective furniture over your body. Getting in a car and attempting to flee the tornado is the worst thing you can do in an urban area. You may not be able to see the tornado if it is dark or the tornado is wrapped in rain. You are likely to encounter hazardous winds, rain, and hail, run into unexpected traffic, or flooded or debris-blocked roads that will put you directly in the path of the tornado. Even without an underground shelter, most people will be able to survive a dangerous EF-4 tornado. Case in point: during the Mannsford, Oklahoma EF- 4 tornado of 1984, a packed church received a direct hit, and everyone in the church survived. The only fatality was a man who drove to the church to get his wife. It is often better to abandon your vehicle and take shelter in a ditch, if you are caught in a car during a tornado. However, if there is already flying debris in the air, leaving your car and exposing yourself to the debris in order to get to a ditch may be more hazardous than staying in your car. Furthermore, ditches are prone to flash floods. Four deaths during the El Reno tornado were from a family of seven that sheltered in a drainage ditch, and were washed into the Deep Fork River by a flash flood. Searchers are still looking for the other three bodies. A 2002 research paper, "UNSAFE AT ANY (WIND) SPEED? Testing the Stability of Motor Vehicles in Severe Winds" found that: "The stability and superior safety of being in a vehicle in severe winds, relative to occupying a mobile home or being outdoors, should be considered." Also, TWC's severe weather expert, Dr. Greg Forbes, commented on the pros and cons of abandoning one's vehicle for a ditch in a 2009 blog post, "Tornado Safety - Cars Versus Ditches: A Controversy." His personal take on what he would do if his car was being overtaken by a tornado, and no sturdy buildings were nearby to take shelter in: "I can't see myself getting out of the vehicle. I'd try first to drive away from the tornado. Both the NWS and the American Red Cross actually also advocate this. If you can determine which way the tornado is moving toward, face your body toward that direction and then go to the right, as shown in the diagram below. That is usually toward the south or southeast. The reason that it's best to head this way is that if you went to the left you would normally get into the region where largest hail and blinding rain occur in the kind of supercell, rotating thunderstorms that often spawn tornadoes. If I had no such driving option and I did feel the urge to get out of my car, I'd try to get into a building, and into a ditch well away from the car as the last resort."

My condolences and prayers go to all of the family and friends of Tim Samaras, Paul Samaras, and Carl Young. Their deaths are a terrible shock to the meteorological community, and a great loss for tornado science. I hope that their deaths will lead towards safer tornado chasing, and help spur efforts to use emerging drone technology to take measurements in dangerous storms such as tornadoes and hurricanes.

Jeff Masters

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501. galvestonhurricane
2:07 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
I'm back! Welcome to Hurricane Season 2013!
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500. GeoffreyWPB
2:06 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting BahaHurican:
Could you wait until July to tell him this, please? There's actually an area of low pressure in the general vicinity this week, which means he may actually be right....

Now, next month, you'd be well within your rights, but keep in mind climatological patterns before you start complaining.


He does this May through November. I can tell you many stories. He his famous on here for his forecasts.
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499. ScottLincoln
2:06 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting BahaHurican:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLo0Pz7CQAA3aCd.jpg:l arge

This looks like around 100 chase vehicles in the tornado warned area on Friday afternoon. Is that normal, or were there more chasers than usual that afternoon?

Pretty much normal these days, especially for big setups in Kansas and Oklahoma.
The area where Samaras was killed was just east of the main pack, between the "C" in Union City and I-40.
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498. BahaHurican
2:05 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Meanwhile, there is a BROAD area of low pressure, INCLUDING the area kid has been drawing our attention to. I do agree the best chances for development seem to be nearer the northern end of of the Yucatan, but the area is broad enough right now to allow for some uncertainty.
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497. kmanislander
2:04 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Good evening all

91L a non event for now. High shear dominates the area. The NHC position looks good to me with the buoy near 20 / 85 reporting WNW winds. The broad low would be N of there just on or near the N tip of the Yucatan. See data below

Wind Direction (WDIR): WNW ( 290 deg true )
Wind Speed (WSPD): 17.5 kts
Wind Gust (GST): 21.4 kts

Steering is very weak so do not expect much in the way of motion in the near term.

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496. CaicosRetiredSailor
2:04 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Baha Re #486

Remove the "s" from https

and it will display
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495. 7544
2:01 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting ProgressivePulse:
Evening All.

91L it is



not all the models are in yet but when they do i think some will be further south than these .
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494. BahaHurican
2:01 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Please, for one year, try to limit the 'It's forming near the Caymans, it's headed towards the Caymans, conditions are better near the Caymans' posts'. Please.
Could you wait until July to tell him this, please? There's actually an area of low pressure in the general vicinity this week, which means he may actually be right....

Now, next month, you'd be well within your rights, but keep in mind climatological patterns before you start complaining.
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492. Andrebrooks
1:58 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting scott39:
Taz, why do you do this? Would you like it?
thank you.
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491. stormhank
1:57 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
can someone please give me a link to the ECMWF model output,,,thanks
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490. listenerVT
1:57 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
If 91L has to go someplace, I hope it chooses someplace that's dry and could appreciate some water.
Up here in the NE, we're good without it.
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489. listenerVT
1:55 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Thank you Dr. Masters. A very sad moment.
They saved lives with their work; may their work live on.
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488. GeoffreyWPB
1:54 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Please, for one year, try to limit the 'It's forming near the Caymans, it's headed towards the Caymans, conditions are better near the Caymans' posts'. Please.


Get ready for the payback :)
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487. tropicfreak
1:54 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
I think the NHC called 91L way too early it a trof of low pressure from 22N 86W all the way down to the GOH and it could develop anywhere along that line it would seem that southern option would be better because of favorable conditions currect position of 91L unfavorable with 30 kt shear while southern extent has less that 20kt also surface obs show a circulation in the GOH while surface obs in the area that 91L is is show only a weak trof vort in both area are good though vort in southern extent is stronger than the vort associated with 91L
all in all 91L is called too early


First off... BREATHE!
Second...please use punctuation.
Third...sorry, but the center/convection associated with it is starting to get better organized. I am not seeing any evidence of it relocating further south. Cayman strike will not happen.
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486. BahaHurican
1:51 AM GMT on June 03, 2013



This looks like around 100 chase vehicles in the tornado warned area on Friday afternoon. Is that normal, or were there more chasers than usual that afternoon?
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485. TropicalAnalystwx13
1:51 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting wunderkidcayman:


fixed sorry

I believe if NHC keeps 91L fine but I think they may add 92L for GOH area

Please, for one year, try to limit the 'It's forming near the Caymans, it's headed towards the Caymans, conditions are better near the Caymans' posts'. Please.
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484. LostTomorrows
1:50 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
I'm also interested in the wave approaching the Lesser Antilles. It looked decent today.

Oh, and hello all, I've been absorbed in hating winter and watching hockey that tropical weather took a backseat to my stereotypical Canadian-ness. It's been fairly hot here of late, as we are being affected by the same system that is causing all the grief in the midwest up in Ontario... many thunderstorms/torrential downpours here.
I am very sorry to hear of what has happened in the states; I remember when Masters was just blogging a couple of weeks ago about the relatively quiet and forgiving tornado season in 2013. But wow, nature has a cruel sense of irony. Many devastating tornado related disasters recently.

Back to my first thought... I am interested in that, but 91L is in a very dangerous area right now... and I agree with a previous poster that it could become 2013's sister of Debby.

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483. docrod
1:49 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting washingtonian115:
Depends on if I'm not in a lazy mood.

Please try not to spam the blog..


sigh
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482. ProgressivePulse
1:49 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Evening All.

91L it is

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481. GeoffreyWPB
1:48 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting wunderkidcayman:


fixed sorry

I believe if NHC keeps 91L fine but I think they may add 92L for GOH area


Nope.
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480. scott39
1:45 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting Tazmanian:



give it a rest all ready we no we have 91L dont need too keep saying it you act more like a 3 year old then a 15 year old
Taz, why do you do this? Would you like it?
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479. TropicalAnalystwx13
1:45 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting Bluestorm5:
Thanks! Where did you find it so I don't have to ask again.

Link
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478. afj3
1:43 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Is it me or do latest model runs showing 91L being more or a rain event than a tropical event? Even CMC looks to have scaled back its intensity....
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477. K8eCane
1:43 AM GMT on June 03, 2013

.LONG TERM /WEDNESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY/...
AS OF 345 PM SUNDAY...WELL...IT IS JUNE...AND THUS TROPICAL
STORMS BECOME FOREFRONT ON THE MIND OF FORECASTERS IN THE
SOUTHEAST. THIS EXTENDED PERIOD IS NO DIFFERENT...AS THE CONCERN
REVOLVES AROUND POTENTIAL TROPICAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE GULF OF
MEXICO...AND ITS POSSIBLE IMPACTS HERE IN THE CAROLINAS.

A LARGE AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER IN THE CARIBBEAN SEA WILL ATTEMPT
TO CONSOLIDATE INTO A TROPICAL DISTURBANCE BY THE END OF THE WEEK
BEFORE LIFTING NORTHEAST ACROSS FLORIDA AND OFF THE SOUTHEAST COAST.
WHILE GUIDANCE IS NEARLY UNANIMOUS IN DEVELOPING A
SYSTEM...DIFFERENCES STILL EXIST IN INTENSITY AND TRACK. CMC
CONTINUES TO BE A STRONG/FAST/WEST OUTLIER AND AGAIN IS
DISCOUNTED...BUT THE GFS/ECMWF/ENSEMBLES ARE IN DECENT
AGREEMENT...WITH THE ECMWF BEING FAVORED CURRENTLY BY WPC. WHILE A
SOMEWHAT WESTWARD TREND HAS BEEN NOTED IN MODELS THE PAST FEW
RUNS...LIKELY DUE TO A SLIGHT DECREASE IN MID-LEVEL SHEARING TO THE
NORTHEAST WITH A WEAKER NORTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE...WILL MAKE ONLY
MINOR CHANGES TO INHERITED WHICH IS REASONABLE FOR THE THU-SUN
TIMEFRAME...RAMPING POP TO HIGH CHC LATE FRIDAY. WILL NOTE THAT WITH
THE BULK OF GUIDANCE KEEPING THE CWA WEST OF THE TRACK OF THE LOW
PRESSURE...POP MAY BE OVERDONE (THINK TS ALBERTO MAY 2012) BUT
SEVERAL DAYS OF ANTECEDENT MOISTURE RETURN SHOULD SOMEWHAT NEGATE
ANY SUBSIDENCE/DRYING EFFECTS. THESE TYPES OF SPECIFICS ARE MORE
USUALLY RESOLVED IN/RESERVED FOR THE SHORT TERM...AND THUS WILL
MAINTAIN CHC POP FOR D4-D6.

ANY IMPACTS FROM THE TROPICAL SYSTEM WILL BE BOOKENDED...WEDNESDAY
AND SUNDAY...BY RIDGING OF SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE DOWN THE
COAST...WITH MORE TYPICAL DIURNAL SHOWERY/CONVECTIVE CHANCES.

TEMPS THROUGH THE PERIOD WILL HOVER AROUND...TO SLIGHTLY BELOW CLIMO
FOR HIGH


From Wilmington NC forecast discussion
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476. CaicosRetiredSailor
1:40 AM GMT on June 03, 2013

California
Powerhouse Fire consumes 25,000 acres, more than 2,000 firefighters on the lines

By Barbara Jones and Susan Abram, Staff Writers
Posted:   06/02/2013 07:27:00 AM PDT

Cooler, more humid weather may aid firefighters battling Powerhouse Fire

Strong gusty winds, heavy smoke and heat continued to challenge more than 2,000 firefighters who worked into a fourth night on Sunday to suppress the fast-moving Powerhouse Fire that has consumed 25,000 acres within the Angeles National Forest and was headed toward a popular poppy reserve.

At least 1,000 people from the Lake Hughes and Elizabeth Lake areas remained evacuated from their homes as the blaze made a destructive march north toward the Antelope Valley Poppy Reserve and the California Aqueduct.

While temperatures in the area stayed in the 90s on Sunday, high winds pushed hard over the rocky terrain, challenging firefighters out on hots spots and their efforts to prevent the flames from fanning into different directions, including back to Green Valley and other residential areas. In some spots, thick dead brush hadn't burned since 1929.
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475. wunderkidcayman
1:39 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting Tazmanian:



its 91L the nhc said it has MARGINALLY FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS
Quoting washingtonian115:
Might want to edit it to 91L...
Quoting Thundercloud01221991:


where is 92 L
Quoting Tazmanian:




there is no 92L its 91L he made a mistake


fixed sorry

I believe if NHC keeps 91L fine but I think they may add 92L for GOH area
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474. Tazmanian
1:38 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting allahgore:



We have 92L already? where at?




there is no 92L we have 91L but no 92L he made a mistake and call it by the wrong #
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472. pcola57
1:37 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
I think the NHC called 92L way too early it a trof of low pressure from 22N 86W all the way down to the GOH and it could develop anywhere along that line it would seem that southern option would be better because of favorable conditions currect position of 92L unfavorable with 30+kt shear while southern extent has less that 20kt also surface obs show a circulation in the GOH while surface obs in the area that 92L is is show only a weak trof vort in both area are good though vort in southern extent is stronger than the vort associated with 92L
all in all 92L is called too early


I think NHC knows what they are doing..
And they give it a whopping 20% chance in the next 48hrs..
Lol.. :)

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471. Andrebrooks
1:36 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting GTcooliebai:
I think my prediction for first name hurricane of the season is going to be a bust, but you never know, especially with systems that get into the GOM.
What do you mean a bust.
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470. HurricaneHunterJoe
1:36 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting FunnelVortex:


Some nice wind speed, but no circulation.

Yup, just wanted to show some winds picking up in some of the storms from earlier.
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469. Doppler22
1:36 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting 7544:


for me the best way is i dont read the current page i go back like pages or so to stay in suspense like its live and happennig then read the last page posted esp during the hurricane season its more fun that way lol try it

:p ok I might
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468. GTcooliebai
1:35 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
I think my prediction for first name hurricane of the season is going to be a bust, but you never know, especially with systems that get into the GOM.
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467. Tazmanian
1:33 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting Thundercloud01221991:


where is 92 L




there is no 92L its 91L he made a mistake
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466. 7544
1:33 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting Doppler22:

I usually just look at the current page of comment and I sometimes go back a page to see what's going on


for me the best way is i dont read the current page i go back like pages or so to stay in suspense like its live and happennig then read the last page posted esp during the hurricane season its more fun that way lol try it
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464. Thundercloud01221991
1:32 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
I think the NHC called 92L way too early it a trof of low pressure from 22N 86W all the way down to the GOH and it could develop anywhere along that line it would seem that southern option would be better because of favorable conditions currect position of 92L unfavorable with 30+kt shear while southern extent has less that 20kt also surface obs show a circulation in the GOH while surface obs in the area that 92L is is show only a weak trof vort in both area are good though vort in southern extent is stronger than the vort associated with 92L
all in all 92L is called too early


where is 92 L
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463. washingtonian115
1:31 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
I think the NHC called 92L way too early it a trof of low pressure from 22N 86W all the way down to the GOH and it could develop anywhere along that line it would seem that southern option would be better because of favorable conditions currect position of 92L unfavorable with 30+kt shear while southern extent has less that 20kt also surface obs show a circulation in the GOH while surface obs in the area that 92L is is show only a weak trof vort in both area are good though vort in southern extent is stronger than the vort associated with 92L
all in all 92L is called too early
Might want to edit it to 91L...
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462. geepy86
1:31 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
whatever,it was a freak storm, no where to go, rip Tim, Paul and Carl, you will be missed
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461. Tazmanian
1:31 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
I think the NHC called 92L way too early it a trof of low pressure from 22N 86W all the way down to the GOH and it could develop anywhere along that line it would seem that southern option would be better because of favorable conditions currect position of 92L unfavorable with 30+kt shear while southern extent has less that 20kt also surface obs show a circulation in the GOH while surface obs in the area that 92L is is show only a weak trof vort in both area are good though vort in southern extent is stronger than the vort associated with 92L
all in all 92L is called too early



its 91L the nhc said it has MARGINALLY FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS
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460. washingtonian115
1:31 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
,
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459. wunderkidcayman
1:30 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
I think the NHC called 91L way too early it a trof of low pressure from 22N 86W all the way down to the GOH and it could develop anywhere along that line it would seem that southern option would be better because of favorable conditions currect position of 91L unfavorable with 30 kt shear while southern extent has less that 20kt also surface obs show a circulation in the GOH while surface obs in the area that 91L is is show only a weak trof vort in both area are good though vort in southern extent is stronger than the vort associated with 91L
all in all 91L is called too early
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458. aislinnpaps
1:29 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Good evening, everyone. Just read back through the posts. So glad it's a quiet night.

Came home from Florida today, mostly rain all the way home to Louisiana, but not heavy and no storms. Had some big storms here last night though, tons of lightening. Missing the cool Gulf breeze already.
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457. Doppler22
1:27 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting Bluestorm5:
Well, I do go back up to 200 comments just to stay updated.

I usually just look at the current page of comments and I sometimes go back a page to see what's going on
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456. Tazmanian
1:26 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting Andrebrooks:
I am over 100 comments.



LOL
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455. Bluestorm5
1:26 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
How many bloggers read back before they post?
Well, I do go back up to 200 comments just to stay updated.
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454. Tazmanian
1:26 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
Quoting Andrebrooks:
Are ya'll excited we got 91L.



give it a rest all ready we no we have 91L dont need too keep saying it you act more like a 3 year old then a 15 year old
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453. Andrebrooks
1:25 AM GMT on June 03, 2013
BRB.
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