A Night of Tornado Chaos in Oklahoma City: 9 Killed, 71 Injured

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 7:21 PM GMT on June 01, 2013

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It was a terrifying evening of tornado chaos and extreme atmospheric violence in the Oklahoma City area on Friday. Three tornadoes touched down near the city, killing nine, injuring at least 71, and causing widespread destruction. Huge hail up to baseball-sized battered portions the the metro area, accompanied by torrential flooding rains, widespread damaging straight-line winds, and lightning that flashed nearly continuously. The strongest tornado, which touched down west of Oklahoma City in El Reno, has been preliminarily rated an EF-3 with 136 - 165 mph winds. The tornado warning for the storm was issued 19 minutes before it touched down. Two other EF-3 tornadoes touched down near St. Louis, Missouri, and NOAA's Storm Prediction Center (SPC) logged 20 preliminary tornado reports on Friday. Tinker Air Force Base on the east side of Oklahoma City reported sustained winds of 68 mph, gusting to 88 mph, at 8:09 pm CDT. The Oklahoma City airport had sustained winds of 53 mph, gusting to 71 mph at 7:26 pm. These winds were generated by the massive and powerful downdrafts from the supercell thunderstorm that spawned the El Reno tornado. Thankfully, Friday was likely the peak day for this week's severe weather outbreak, as SPC is calling for only a "Slight Risk" of severe weather Saturday and Sunday.


Figure 1. TWC's Mike ‪Bettes‬ crew caught this image of the El Reno, Oklahoma tornado of May 31, 2013 before the tornado caught them and rolled their vehicle.



Figure 2 and 3. Radar reflectivity (top) and Doppler velocity (bottom) images of the May 31, 2013 El Reno, Oklahoma tornado.


Figure 4. Preliminary tracks of the three tornadoes that touched done near Oklahoma City on May 31, 2013. Image credit: NWS Norman, OK.

Tornadoes and cars: a dangerous mix
A vehicle is about the worst place you can be in a tornado, as the tornado's winds can easily roll a car. (The only place less safe is probably a mobile home, as a tornado's winds can roll mobile homes almost as readily, and mobile homes don't come with seat belts and air bags.) At least five of the deaths in Friday's El Reno tornado occurred in vehicles attempting to flee. There was one local TV station that urged residents without underground shelters to get in their cars and "get south" in advance of the tornado that was approaching Oklahoma City, since chasers were reporting that the El Reno tornado may have been so strong that only an underground shelter would have provided adequate protection. This terrible piece of advice likely contributed to the incredible traffic jams that we saw on I-35, I-40, I-44, and other local roads Friday night. Thousands of cars were bumper-to-bumper on the roads as a dangerous tornado approached them. Had the El Reno tornado plowed directly down one of these car-choked interstates, the death toll could have easily exceeded 500. If you are located in a metro area and don't have an underground shelter, the best thing to do it to take shelter in an interior windowless room or hallway, with protective furniture over your body. Getting in a car and attempting to flee the tornado is the worst thing you can do in an urban area. You may not be able to see the tornado if it is dark or the tornado is wrapped in rain. You are likely to encounter hazardous winds, rain, and hail, run into unexpected traffic, or flooded or debris-blocked roads that will put you directly in the path of the tornado. Even without an underground shelter, most people will be able to survive a dangerous EF-4 tornado. Case in point: during the Mannford, Oklahoma EF-4 tornado of 1984, a packed church received a direct hit, and everyone in the church survived. The only fatality was a man who drove to the church to get his wife. (Thanks to wunderground member AGWcreationists for this link.) It's better to abandon your vehicle and take shelter in a ditch, if you are caught in a car during a tornado.


Video 1. The Weather Channel storm chasers weren't the only ones who got themselves in an extremely dangerous situation on May 31. StormChasingVideo.com storm chaser Brandon Sullivan and his chase partner Brett Wright got caught in the tornado northwest of Union City, OK and slammed with debris as the tornado hit a barn that exploded in front of them.


Video 2. When the hunters became the hunted: Weather Channel storm chasers ‪Mike Bettes and two photographers were in their Tornado Hunt vehicle when they were hit by a tornado in El Reno, Oklahoma on May 31,‬ ‪2013. ‬The tornado picked their car up off the ground and rolled it 6 - 8 times before depositing it in a field 200 yards away. All the occupants were wearing seat belts and the air bags deployed, likely saving their lives. Bettes sustained minor injuries, including stitches in his hand. It was the first injury sustained by a Weather Channel personality covering violent weather, according to company spokesperson Shirley Powell.

A storm chasers' nightmare
Cars and tornadoes can prove a dangerous mix even for the world's most experienced storm chasers. Driving at high speeds though heavy rain, large hail, and high winds is hazardous. If one is lucky enough to chase down a tornado, even the most experienced chasers can find themselves in a serious life-threatening situation when unpredictable events occur. Tornadoes by their nature are unpredictable, and can change course unexpectedly, or pop up suddenly. It's particularly dangerous when a tornado is wrapped in rain, making it hard to see, or if a chaser is operating in a heavily populated area, where roads may suddenly become congested. All four of these conditions occurred Friday during the El Reno tornado, and it is very fortunate that multiple chasers were not killed. The El Reno tornado was wrapped in rain and difficult to see as it headed west towards Oklahoma City. The twister suddenly made a jog to the southeast as a Weather Channel team led by Mike Bettes was attempting to get in front of the storm, and the tornado lifted their vehicle off the ground, rolled it multiple times, and hurled it 200 yards into a nearby field. StormChasingVideo.com storm chaser Brandon Sullivan and his chase partner Brett Wright got caught in the tornado northwest of Union City, OK and slammed with debris as the tornado hit a barn that exploded in front of them. Meteorologist Emily Sutton and storm chaser Kevin Josefy of local Oklahoma City TV station KFOR also had a very close call with the El Reno tornado Friday afternoon. They got too close to the tornado, and were forced to floor the car in reverse to escape flying debris. With branches of trees crashing around them, Sutton began feeling debris hitting her back, and realized that the rear windshield of the car must have gotten destroyed. Both were uninjured. Reed Timmer's armor-plated "Dominator" chase vehicle had its hood torn off by the tornado. Wunderground member Levi32 was out storm chasing during the El Reno Tornado, and got stuck in traffic on Highway 4 and couldn't move. "We looked up above the car and saw the wall cloud over top of us, with very quick rotation and rising scud indicating the updraft. We were definitely too close. We made it home safely last night, but not until after an insanely wild day. One hour of chasing turned into six more of being chased by at least 2 tornadoes and a 3rd wall cloud, one of which was the one that went right through downtown Oklahoma City. At one point we were stuck in traffic underneath the El Rino wall cloud watching rotating, rising scud directly above the car. I am hoping and praying that the daylight does not reveal more fatalities.

Would I go again? Yes, but not today, or tomorrow, and I would take even greater care. We had no clue we would get caught the way we did. I thought we had done everything right. We were kind of freaking out for a while. That velocity signature you guys saw with radar folding and multiple vortices - we were under the southern edge of it. We never got a clear view of the tornado, but we could tell just how close it was to our north. It was unreal. The inflow got pretty strong.

We were almost ready to jump out and take cover right before we found a route south, which ended up being slow. It became a six-lane highway south as everyone panicked and drove on the wrong side of the road. Even we did so. We thought we were clear until we saw the training of tornadic supercells on radar, all connected somehow. I've never seen anything like that. My best pictures of the day were of the wall cloud that followed behind the El Reno storm. We didn't see a funnel from that one either, but it chased us south for a long time, and we heard from radio that it spawned a confirmed tornado in Tuttle, when we realized that we were in Tuttle.

A third mesocyclone showed up behind that one as we continued slowly south, eventually reaching Blanchard. It looked weaker than the others but we weren't going to escape it, so we took shelter in a storm room in the local grocery store for about an hour. It then took a long time to find a way around the huge hail cores to get back home. Lightning flashes were occurring 10 times per second as we drove home in the dark. It was almost calming to watch as we got over the semi-shock that we were all in. None of us in the car had seen a tornado before. We didn't see one yesterday, but we were chased by two."



Video 3. Birth of the El Reno wedge tornado. As the tornado touched down, it produced a rare display of suction vortices.

Video 4. Storm chasers Jeff Piotrowski and Kathryn Piotrowski captured impressive footage of a double vortex tornado near El Reno, Oklahoma on May 31, 2013.

Severe storms causing major flooding
The 5.64" of rain that fell at the Oklahoma City Will Rogers Airport on Friday was their 6th wettest day in city history, and brought the total rainfall for the month of May to 14.52", the wettest May in Oklahoma City's history (Thanks to BaltimoreBrian for this link.) The North Canadian River in Oklahoma City rose sixteen feet in twelve hours, cresting at its 2nd highest flood on record this Saturday morning. The heavy rains have spread eastwards on Saturday, causing more flooding problems. Paducah, KY had its wettest June day and 3rd wettest day on record on June 1, with 5.73" of rain (all-time record: 7.49" on 9/5/1985.) Major flooding is occurring along a substantial stretch of the Mississippi River in Iowa, Illinois, and Missouri.


Figure 5. The North Canadian River in Oklahoma City rose sixteen feet in twelve hours, reaching its 2nd highest flood on record this Saturday morning.


Figure 6. Radar-estimated rainfall in the Oklahoma City area reached 8+" over some areas from Friday's storm.

Remains of Hurricane Barbara may bring heavy rains to Mexico, Florida, and Cuba
Today, June 1, is the official first day of the Atlantic Hurricane season, and we already have our first Atlantic tropical disturbance to talk about. Hurricane Barbara, which died on Thursday as it attempted to cross Mexico's Isthmus of Tehuantepec into the southernmost Gulf of Mexico, has left behind an area of disturbed weather over the southernmost Gulf of Mexico. There is very little heavy thunderstorm activity associated with Barbara's remnants apparent on satellite loops this Saturday afternoon. Wind shear is a high 20 knots in the region, and the area of disturbed weather is quite small, so I don't expect any development to occur over the next few days. NHC is giving the disturbance a 10% chance of developing into a tropical cyclone by Monday. Moisture from the remnants of Barbara may combine with moisture from an area of heavy thunderstorms expected to build over the Western Caribbean this weekend, and begin bringing heavy rains to Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula and Western Cuba on Sunday and Monday. These heavy rains may spread to Southwest Florida as early as Monday night. The computer models predict that this disturbance should be large and poorly organized, making development into a Gulf of Mexico tropical cyclone unlikely.

My next post will be Monday at the latest.

Jeff Masters

LotsOfWater... (CalicoBass)
from the heavy rains overnight, flowing over this low water bridge. We were waiting to see if something about our size drove over it okay (we were in a Toyota Pickup), this is a bit bigger than us, lol.
LotsOfWater...
Sunset Strike (mrwing13)
NE Oklahoma is under the gun, again today. Severe weather, threatens to produce more damaging storms.
Sunset Strike
tornado (modernsourdough)
near bennington, ks
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718. Jedkins01
11:24 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I can't believe it. Tim, Paul, and Carl? They were always so cautious, so hesitant to get anywhere near a regular tornado, much less a rain-wrapped tornado.


I know I couldn't believe it when I found out last night, it made me feel sick...

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717. Barefootontherocks
6:56 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
The NWS Norman writeup, "The central Oklahoma tornadoes and flash flooding May 31, 2013 includes photos and radar loops, tracks and preliminary ratings.



An FYI for those not familiar with the territory:

Live TV coverage from chasers on the scene reported (at least some of the) chaser vehicles impacted Near I 40 and hwy 81, 81 being the only way south where you can cross the Canadian River for miles (west to east) in either direction. Hwy 81 is pretty much on a N-S line from El Reno to Minco.

This tornado formed SW of El Reno and just north of the River. If chasers were under or near the storm when it formed, and videos seem to show this, looks like some at least drove east to the only possible road where they could to get south and away. Meanwhile, the east-moving cell turned SE, then NE right about at the escape route, as shown in the video.

All I have to say.
bfout
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716. nrtiwlnvragn
5:51 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting stormchaser19:


The people that knows about how the reliable models works....This year, CMC implement major upgrade... will be interesting to see how it behaves this year

MAJOR UPGRADE TO THE GLOBAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM GDPS-
VERSION 3.0.0) AT THE CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTRE
ON WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 13, 2013, STARTING WITH THE 1200 UTC RUN, THE
CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTRE (CMC) OF THE METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE
OF CANADA (MSC) WILL IMPLEMENT VERSION 3.0.0 OF ITS GLOBAL
DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (GDPS), HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS
GDPS-3.0.0. THE MAIN CHANGES OF THIS UPDATE ARE:

- CHANGES TO THE 4D-VAR DATA ASSIMILATION SYSTEM: - THE USE OF
ADDITIONAL REMOTE SENSING DATA: - AN INCREASE IN HORIZONTAL
RESOLUTION FROM 33 TO 25 KM: - IMPORTANT CHANGES IN THE GEM MODEL
PHYSICS: - AND 1200 UTC RUNS NOW DONE TO 240 HOURS AS FOR 0000 UTC
RUNS.

OBJECTIVE SCORES DONE IN DEVELOPMENT AND PARALLEL RUN PHASES SHOW
IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FORECASTS WITH MOST METRICS THROUGHOUT MOST OF
THE ATMOSPHERE, IN PARTICULAR OVER NORTH AMERICA IN WINTER. THESE
IMPROVEMENTS ARE OF AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE USUALLY SEEN ONLY ONCE IN
A DECADE. A SUBJECTIVE EVALUATION BY OPERATIONAL METEOROLOGISTS AT
CMC CONFIRMED THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. OTHER FORECAST SYSTEMS WHICH
DEPEND ON GDPS OUTPUT ALSO BENEFIT FROM THE GDPS-3.0.0. CHANGES
WERE MADE TO THE REGIONAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (RDPS) TO
HARMONIZE IT WITH THE NEW GDPS, AND THE RDPS FORECASTS ARE ALSO
IMPROVED AS A RESULT, SO ITS VERSION NUMBER IS ALSO INCREASED TO
3.1.0, AND IS HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS RDPS-3.1.0.


CMC seems to be "tuned" for Canada. Anomaly correlation for the Northern Hemisphere (20N-80N) sea level pressure is good:




In the tropics (20S-20N) not so good:

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715. Luisport
5:46 PM GMT on June 02, 2013

Ping pong-sized hail just slammed Queensbury, NY
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714. daddyjames
5:44 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting sar2401:

Read up on FEMA P-361 safe room requirements. Any public facility that wants federal grant money to build a "safe room" must comply with the FEMA standards. . . . Oklahoma needs to look at Kansas, for example, about how to make progress at a state level, and stop waiting for the FEMA gravy train to pull into town.


That is exactly my point. The state and federal government officials are very vocal and public about resisting any "Federal" oversight, but have not provided any relief whatsoever.

Meanwhile, more reasonable local leaders, including Moore, have been applying and receiving federal FEMA grants to construct "safe rooms" at newly constructed or refurbished schools.

Many local region governments have passed bond initiatives to pay for public shelters and provide safe rooms for students.

I think the Moore Emergency Manager's comment that "You are on your own", and the actions of the MidWest City Commission to be irresponsible of public officials acting in the interest of the people they represent/manage as irresponsible and "horse hockey" - to borrow my favorite phrase from M.A.S.H.
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713. Neapolitan
5:43 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
From the previous blog entry:
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

...in order to gather information that may have made a big difference of what we know/understand about these storms. He didn't get close to the tornado just for the thrill of it, anybody that knew him would know that.
I'm not saying that he did. And the loss of any life is obviously tragic and sad. But Samaras--and, apparently, about a hundred other chasers--did intentionally place themselves in very close proximity to the approaching northeast quadrant of a massive, rain-wrapped, low-level mesocyclone that already had a history of producing funnels and behaving erratically. I am not in any way saying that Samaras deserved what happened to him. I'm only saying that what happened is not surprising--and, as Dr. Masters has said, it's surprising it hasn't already happened more often.
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712. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
5:43 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
711. Tazmanian
5:40 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT SUN JUN 2 2013

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER EXTENDING FROM THE YUCATAN PENINSULA
NORTHEASTWARD TO THE STRAITS OF FLORIDA IS NOT SHOWING ANY SIGNS
OF ORGANIZATION. DEVELOPMENT...IF ANY...OF THIS SYSTEM IS LIKELY
TO BE SLOW TO OCCUR AS IT DRIFTS NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD. THIS SYSTEM
HAS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE
DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BROW
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710. sar2401
5:40 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting BahaHurican:
Check dis out...

http://preview.weather.gov/graphical/?zoom=3& lat= 10.91198&lon=-68.37891&layers=00BFTFTTTTT ion=7&e lement=9&mxmz=true&barbs=true

I wonder what the source is for some of those numbers? The probability of precipitation view is showing a 58%(!) POP near me in Alabama. I'm apparently in the 42% non-POP section. That seems like an amazingly precise figure. I'm also on a 6mbs connection and that thing takes forever to load. I left them some comments. :-)
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709. Tropicsweatherpr
5:39 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT SUN JUN 2 2013

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER EXTENDING FROM THE YUCATAN PENINSULA
NORTHEASTWARD TO THE STRAITS OF FLORIDA IS NOT SHOWING ANY SIGNS
OF ORGANIZATION. DEVELOPMENT...IF ANY...OF THIS SYSTEM IS LIKELY
TO BE SLOW TO OCCUR AS IT DRIFTS NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD. THIS SYSTEM
HAS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE
DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BROWN
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708. CaicosRetiredSailor
5:38 PM GMT on June 02, 2013


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707. CybrTeddy
5:36 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
My video today is going to not be up for another hour or two, having problems with converting it.
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706. VR46L
5:36 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
GOES-East 4 km IR4 Floater 1 Imagery from RAMMD

loop embedded



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705. tropicalnewbee
5:36 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


Ill check that for you...

---------'-

BAHA... I've been waiting for your numbers fot a while...thanks.
You are the 113th.


Hey Max, usally a lrker but more active during the season-mostly with questions. ANYWAY put me down for
18-9-4. I think we will be fairly active this year and the MDR will be ripe for multiple development once the shear slacks off IMO.
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704. stormchaser19
5:36 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting GTcooliebai:
The CMC model is the only consistent model. I will admit the Canadian model does get it right most of the times in terms of development, but has an awful track and intensity record. The latest GFS did a complete 180 and no longer shows development, so now we await the Euro.


The people that knows about how the reliable models works....This year, CMC implement major upgrade... will be interesting to see how it behaves this year

MAJOR UPGRADE TO THE GLOBAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM GDPS-
VERSION 3.0.0) AT THE CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTRE
ON WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 13, 2013, STARTING WITH THE 1200 UTC RUN, THE
CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTRE (CMC) OF THE METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE
OF CANADA (MSC) WILL IMPLEMENT VERSION 3.0.0 OF ITS GLOBAL
DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (GDPS), HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS
GDPS-3.0.0. THE MAIN CHANGES OF THIS UPDATE ARE:

- CHANGES TO THE 4D-VAR DATA ASSIMILATION SYSTEM: - THE USE OF
ADDITIONAL REMOTE SENSING DATA: - AN INCREASE IN HORIZONTAL
RESOLUTION FROM 33 TO 25 KM: - IMPORTANT CHANGES IN THE GEM MODEL
PHYSICS: - AND 1200 UTC RUNS NOW DONE TO 240 HOURS AS FOR 0000 UTC
RUNS.

OBJECTIVE SCORES DONE IN DEVELOPMENT AND PARALLEL RUN PHASES SHOW
IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FORECASTS WITH MOST METRICS THROUGHOUT MOST OF
THE ATMOSPHERE, IN PARTICULAR OVER NORTH AMERICA IN WINTER. THESE
IMPROVEMENTS ARE OF AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE USUALLY SEEN ONLY ONCE IN
A DECADE. A SUBJECTIVE EVALUATION BY OPERATIONAL METEOROLOGISTS AT
CMC CONFIRMED THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. OTHER FORECAST SYSTEMS WHICH
DEPEND ON GDPS OUTPUT ALSO BENEFIT FROM THE GDPS-3.0.0. CHANGES
WERE MADE TO THE REGIONAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (RDPS) TO
HARMONIZE IT WITH THE NEW GDPS, AND THE RDPS FORECASTS ARE ALSO
IMPROVED AS A RESULT, SO ITS VERSION NUMBER IS ALSO INCREASED TO
3.1.0, AND IS HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS RDPS-3.1.0.
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703. hurricanes2018
5:30 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
watch for the next 91L.
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702. BahaHurican
5:26 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
701. hurricanes2018
5:24 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
I wanted everyone on here to see this Vertical Shear go down fast on june 1 2013
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700. GTcooliebai
5:24 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting stormchaser19:
12 z CMC

The CMC model is the only consistent model. I will admit the Canadian model does get it right most of the times in terms of development, but has an awful track and intensity record. The latest GFS did a complete 180 and no longer shows development, so now we await the Euro.
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699. TropicalAnalystwx13
5:23 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
Well, that--plus intentionally driving as close as possible to the northeast side of the tornado, gambling that it won't decide to move in that direction despite the fact that almost every tornado does...

...in order to gather information that may have made a big difference of what we know/understand about these storms. He didn't get close to the tornado just for the thrill of it, anybody that knew him would know that.
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698. sar2401
5:23 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting daddyjames:


Yeah, but much has been made about "increased security" for schools - in case of a deranged person with a gun. But the reality is, at least in certain areas of OK, your more likely to be killed by a tornado at the school.

And there is a divide between folks that live in "cities" vs. those that live in the surrounding county. Remember, most counties here have only a single "city" that provides the vast majority of the educational facilities for the county:

School security or tornado shelters? Commissioner sees a city/county divide (poll)

Read up on FEMA P-361 safe room requirements. Any public facility that wants federal grant money to build a "safe room" must comply with the FEMA standards. The engineering and construction requirements of this standard are so high and, some engineers believe, so excessive, that many school districts can't come up with the matching funds to construct or retrofit a safe room. A room or shelter built to P-361 standards is bomb-proof, no doubt about it, but the goal should not be to protect people from the most unlikely event, a direct hit from an EF-4 or above tornado. The goal should be to make sure a structure is reinforced to make collapse less likely and to be reasonably resistant to debris penetration. FEMA writes standards so that they can't be criticized that the results weren't stong enough in every type of scenario. Cost is a secondary consideration. Some states have their own standards, and new school construction is done to meet these still strict but affordable standards. Oklahoma needs to look at Kansas, for example, about how to make progress at a state level, and stop waiting for the FEMA gravy train to pull into town.
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697. BahaHurican
5:22 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
Well, that--plus intentionally driving as close as possible to the northeast side of the tornado, gambling that it won't decide to move in that direction despite the fact that almost every tornado does...
This was the last outbreak, right? the one with the tracks shown above? It seems the tornado tracks had some anomalous moves, running from NW to SE.

Though in looking at the map above it does seem the one that did the damage to pple in cars [the El Reno one] was indeed making jumps to the NE..
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696. daddyjames
5:21 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting SuzK:


And why should it be otherwise? Every person is responsible for their own safety. If the municipality can't/won't get involved in making shelters, that's the way it is. We expect the government to do everything for us. What happened to personal responsibility? There are plenty of places that are safer.


We are government . . . we tend to forget that.

Having a bunch of people in office, on one hand, advocating that "We are America, and anything we set our minds to accomplish we can." Then on the other: "We cannot provide for your safety" because we don't have the resources? The two are contradictory.

Why didn't the MidWest City Commission not allow the people to decide: by putting the choice to close public tornado shelters up for referendum? Then the people of the city would have had the opportunity to decide.
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695. Barefootontherocks
5:20 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
This is for Doc M who mentioned on TWC today using drones for tornado research.
Oklahoma State University working on storm drones.

"The drones could be operating in roughly five years, designers estimate. But there are limitations on immediately using the technology, including current Federal Aviation Administration rules that mandate where and how drones can be safely launched in U.S. air space. The agency's regulations also require operators of such machines to physically see the aircraft at all times, limiting the range to a mile or two (1.6 to 3.2 kilometers)."


RIP to the chasers and all who perished in the tornadoes and flooding in Oklahoma and Missouri May 31, thirteen total at last count, including three in Missouri flooding. It is unclear how many of the ten confirmed dead in Oklahoma perished in OK from tornadoes or floods, or both, as one confirmed death reported by The Oklahoman, OKC newspaper, happened when a family took shelter in a ditch and were swept away by flood water.
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694. Neapolitan
5:19 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting AussieStorm:

I think but not 100% sure it was due to the Tornado suddenly changing direction like what happened to TWC crew.
Well, that--plus perhaps intentionally driving as close as possible to the northeast side of the tornado, gambling that it won't decide to move in that direction despite the fact that almost every tornado does...
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693. stormchaser19
5:17 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
12 z CMC

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692. Luisport
5:15 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
1:08 p.m. EDT Sunday: One severe thunderstorm is on track to pass just north of Rutland, Vt., in about 40 minutes with another thunderstorm on its heels to then threaten the city.
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691. Thrawst
5:15 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
One of the most respected and famous storm chasers of all time, Tim Samaras, passed away recently after being sucked up into a massive tornado in El Reno, Oklahoma on May 31, 2013. It really shows me that you need to give A LOT of respect to Mother Nature, because this man was one of the safest storm chasers out in the field. It's very emotional to me in that he was such a valued member in the community of the field that I want to study; Meteorology. Hopefully I can make a contribution to the research of tornadoes and make progress in the results, which will eventually save the lives of many people in the path of these monsters.
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690. hurricanes2018
5:14 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
notting yet!!
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689. Torito
5:11 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting BahaHurican:
I noticed in the TAFB's fancy new gridded forecast that they expect that Twave to survive into the Car, possibly carrying some rain with it...


I hope it becomes barry, and the low from barbara becomes andrea.
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688. BahaHurican
5:11 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
687. moonlightcowboy
5:11 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting BahaHurican:
I don't understand the purpose of government in the US. It's not to collect revenue for the king. It doesn't seem to be to collect revenue for the welfare of the people. What IS it for?

[constantly amazed at government decisions that put masses of the population at greater risk when lesser risk is not only possible, but feasible...]


Ever watch Little Shop of Horrors? ;)
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686. washingtonian115
5:10 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Here is an article from CWG on why storm chasing tornado's and fleeing from them in a car is a bad idea.


Link
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685. FLWeatherFreak91
5:09 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
I believe the area of showers and storm around the Florida keys are the leading edge of the slug of moisture the models have been showing lifting north over Florida...
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684. BahaHurican
5:09 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting Torito:


I believe that circle in the atlantic is a wave that may become a cyclone.
I noticed in the TAFB's fancy new gridded forecast that they expect that Twave to survive into the Car, possibly carrying some rain with it...
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683. Torito
5:09 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting GTcooliebai:
Forget 91L I want to see TS Andrea in the Gulf.


its only a matter of time... :D
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682. GTcooliebai
5:07 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting 7544:
91L today peeps ?
Forget 91L I want to see TS Andrea in the Gulf.
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681. Torito
5:05 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
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680. Torito
5:03 PM GMT on June 02, 2013


I believe that circle in the atlantic is a wave that may become a cyclone.
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679. sar2401
5:03 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting hurricane23:
00z european rain totals..


Nope, nope, nope. That model shows my house should get 3-3.5" of rain over the next 10 days. If that happens, I'll eat my shoe. All the rain will stay out over the Gulf. It sure ain't coming to Eufuala, Alabama. (I'm where that big bulge in SE AL is on the Georgia/AL border.)
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678. SuzK
5:03 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting daddyjames:


Did you read the last sentence? Hey, we warned you - and that is all the responsibility that public officials feel is necessary to the general public in the larger metropolitan areas of OK.

Their philosophy is: "You are on your own." Really.


And why should it be otherwise? Every person is responsible for their own safety. If the municipality can't/won't get involved in making shelters, that's the way it is. We expect the government to do everything for us. What happened to personal responsibility? There are plenty of places that are safer.
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677. hurricanes2018
5:01 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
new update at 2pm Tropical Weather Outlook!
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676. daddyjames
5:00 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting BahaHurican:
What percentage of fatalities were on the road? in vehicles?

This business with people getting in cars to run from storms seems to me like a disaster waiting to happen. [still remembering what happened w/ Rita evac in TX]

I also don't understand refusing motorists on a highway a place inside your business if you have a sturdy building. If your worry is insurance etc [aka money] change your laws to say that if a person seeking shelter in a public place chooses to shelter in that place [rather than being sent there by officials] the owner of the place is not liable for their injuries.



There are laws on the books exempting businesses from liability:

Under state law, business operators who offer a safe harbor from severe weather are protected from the legal liability of damages incurred to guests. On the other hand, there are no state laws that specifically state that a merchant can’t lock his doors and turn away those seeking shelter, said Gerald L. Hilsher, an attorney at McAfee & Taft law firm.

No promise of protection: Storm stirs up confusion over shelter policies at stores

There should be laws preventing people from "charging" for access, as the hotel did in the May 20th, Moore Tornado (see post 595)

Read more: http://journalrecord.com/2013/05/31/no-promise-of- protection-storm-stirs-up-confusion-over-shelter-p olicies-at-stores-general-news/#ixzz2V4xfy1Az
Read more: http://journalrecord.com/2013/05/31/no-promise-of- protection-storm-stirs-up-confusion-over-shelter-p olicies-at-stores-general-news/#ixzz2V4x8pZep
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675. Hurricane1956
4:59 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting hurricane23:
latest rainfall totals from the gfs model 12z

Thank you hydrus for the map.
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674. Tazmanian
4:58 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting Torito:


FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

1. AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER IS LOCATED OVER THE NORTHWESTERN
CARIBBEAN SEA. DEVELOPMENT...IF ANY...OF THIS SYSTEM IS LIKELY TO
BE SLOW TO OCCUR AS IT DRIFTS NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD. THIS SYSTEM HAS
A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING
THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.





your posting info that we all ready no your a little late
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673. sar2401
4:57 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting Bluestorm5:
Storm chasers honoring Tim Samaras in North Dakota...

Link

That's nice. As even bigger honor, maybe the chaser "community" can make a commitment to get off the road and seek shelter instead of trying to get the "Greatest Tornado Video Ever". Three fatalites and several near misses in one day is, I would hope, enough for some of these chasers to reevaluate their priorities.
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672. Hurricane1956
4:57 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting AussieStorm:




Thank you AussieStorm for the map.
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671. hurricane23
4:55 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
00z european rain totals..

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670. Torito
4:55 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
95W

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669. Torito
4:53 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
TWC HURRICANE PREDICTIONS:

16 named, 9 hurricanes, 5 major.

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668. sar2401
4:51 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Quoting 7544:
91L today peeps ?

How much do you wanna bet? :-)
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