Tornadoes, Floods, and Severe Thunderstorms Continue in the Midwest

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:46 PM GMT on May 31, 2013

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It was yet another active day for tornadoes, flooding, and severe thunderstorms in the Midwest on Thursday, with NOAA's Storm Prediction Center (SPC) logging 16 preliminary tornado reports. Twisters touched down in Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Illinois. The tornadoes missed heavily populated areas for the most part, but seven people were injured in Arkansas in two separate tornadoes, and two other people were hurt by lightning. The severe weather forced organizers of the outdoor Wakarusa Music Festival north of Ozark, Arkansas to delay the start of the festival. The band "Widespread Panic" was one of the groups scheduled to perform, leading to an Associated Press headline from yesterday titled, "Nine hurt in Arkansas storm; Widespread Panic delayed." Heavy rains from this week's thunderstorms have pushed the Mississippi River to major flood stage at most places from Burlington Iowa to Quincy Illinois, and the river is expected to crest near major flood stage at St. Louis early next week. In Iowa, the Cedar River at Cedar Falls, the Iowa River at Marengo, and the Skunk River near Sigourney and at Augusta are also in major flood. The latest forecast from NOAA's Storm Prediction Center calls for a "Moderate Risk" of severe weather today (Friday) over much of Oklahoma and Southwest Missouri, including Oklahoma City and Tulsa in Oklahoma, and Joplin, Missouri, with the potential for several strong EF-2 and EF-3 tornadoes.


Figure 1. Lightning strike from a severe thunderstorm near Guthrie, Oklahoma on May 30, 2013, as photographed by KFOR-TV. (AP Photo/KFOR-TV)


Figure 2. Severe weather outlook for Thursday, May 30, calls for a "Moderate Risk" of severe weather over much of Oklahoma and Southwest Missouri, including Oklahoma City and Tulsa in Oklahoma, and Joplin, Missouri. You can follow today's severe weather outbreak from our Severe Weather page.

A mostly quiet year for violent tornadoes
After a very quiet March, April, and first half of May, the U.S. tornado season has become very active during the last half of May, and is beginning to catch up to normal. TWC's tornado expert Dr. Greg Forbes has a preliminary count of 181 tornadoes for the month of May, through May 29, which is 35% below the 10-year average of 279 through May 29th. May 2012 had only 121 tornadoes. The 2013 tornado tally has risen significantly in the last half of May, due to 7 of the last 15 days having above-average numbers of tornadoes. Fortunately, we are well below-average for strong and violent EF-3, EF-4, and EF-5 tornadoes so far in 2013. According to NOAA, the U.S. has averaged 43 EF-3 or stronger tornadoes per year during the period 1954 - 2012. With tornado season nearly half over, only twelve EF-3 and EF-4 tornadoes have been recorded so far in 2013. An average year should have had at least twenty of these tornadoes by this point in the year. Here are the twelve EF-3 and stronger tornadoes so far in 2013, as detailed in Wikipedia's excellent Tornadoes of 2013 page:

EF-5, May 20, Moore, Oklahoma. 24 deaths, 377 injuries, $2 billion in damage.
EF-4, May 28, Ottawa County, Kansas. Intensity based on mobile Doppler radar data. See the Capital Weather Gang's description of this tornado.
EF-4, May 19, Shawnee, Oklahoma. 2 deaths, 6 injuries.
EF-4, May 15, Granbury, TX. 6 deaths, 24+ injuries.
EF-4, May 18, Rozel, Kansas.
EF-4, February 10, Hattiesburg, MS. 0 deaths, 82 injuries.
EF-3, Corning, KS, May 28.
EF-3, May 27, Lebanon - Esbon, KS. 1 injured. Wind gust of 175 mph measured by TIV2 intercept vehicle.
EF-3, May 15, Cleburne, TX. No deaths or injuries.
EF-3, January 30, Adairsville, GA. 1 death, 17 injuries, 363 buildings damaged or destroyed.
EF-3, April 11, Kemper County, AL. 1 death, 9 injuries.
EF-3, May 19, Luther - Carney, Oklahoma.


Figure 3. The annual number of EF-3 and stronger tornadoes, 1954 - 2012. The greatest number of these dangerous tornadoes was 131 in 1974, the year of the notorious "Super Outbreak." The minimum was just 15, set in 1987. The average is 43 per year. Image credit: NOAA.


Video 1. Impressive 2-minute timelapse of the Bennington, Kansas wedge tornado of May 28, 2013, as filmed by the Aussie Storm Chasers. As discussed in an excellent blog post by Jason Samenow of the Capital Weather Gang, the violent EF-4 tornado stood still for nearly an hour, and had wind gusts as high as 264 mph at an altitude of 300 feet measured by Doppler on Wheels.

Remains of Hurricane Barbara bringing heavy rains to Mexico
Hurricane Barbara died on Thursday as it attempted to cross Mexico's Isthmus of Tehuantepec into the southernmost Gulf of Mexico. While there is no low level circulation apparent on satellite loops this Friday morning, there is a bit of spin at middle levels of the atmosphere, and the remains of Barbara are kicking up some heavy thunderstorm activity over the southernmost Gulf of Mexico and adjacent land areas of Mexico. Wind shear is a high 20 knots in the region, and the area of disturbed weather is quite small, so I don't expect any development to occur over the next few days. Wind shear is predicted to remain high over the Gulf of Mexico for the next six days, and none of the reliable computers models is calling for tropical cyclone development in the Atlantic during that period. Late next week, wind shear is predicted to drop, and there is a better chance for tropical cyclone development in the Gulf of Mexico or Western Caribbean. Both the GFS and ECMWF models suggest that a strong tropical disturbance with heavy rains may affect Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula, Western Cuba, and the Southwest Florida by Friday next week.


Figure 4. Remains of Hurricane Barbara in the southernmost Gulf of Mexico as seen by MODIS at 12:05 pm EDT Thursday, May 30, 2013. Barbara had just been declared dead one hour prior to this photo. Image credit: NASA.

Saturday, June 1, is the first day of hurricane season, and I'll post a quick look at what we might expect to see in June.

Jeff Masters

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This was one of the easiest chase days ever. Left Salina, Ks and thought about going after the storms to the NW but turned back after about 15 miles when the storm that spawned this tornado went up. Me and my group setup just west of Bennington about 20 minutes before this tornado touched down, catching a brief rope tornado about 10 minutes before this tornado touched down. It sat almost stationary for about 45 and we watched it's entire life cycle without having to move.
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2060. Seflhurricane
4:53 PM GMT on June 02, 2013
Looks like things are beginning to get interesting east of the yucatan peninsula, convection continues to blow up lets see if the models are correct but significant heavy rain is expected across Southern florida this week
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2059. BahaHurican
12:13 AM GMT on June 02, 2013
Ooops... :o)
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2058. Newswatcher
11:44 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
OUCH





Look at the bottom of the display in the Gulf of Mexico. There are some storms firing up. Is that Andrea forming?
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2057. Skyepony (Mod)
10:29 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting HurrMichaelOrl:


Exactly.

I'm ready for the rain to move up to E Central FL, we haven't received much at all lately. Is 90l officially an invest yet?

Rain just drove me inside again in Melbourne, only .11" for the day.

NAVY declared 90L near two days ago.

CMC keeps dooming on ECFL..
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2056. HurrMichaelOrl
9:07 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting sar2401:

Oh, my, let's not start on the "rocket fuel" thing again. :-) We had an entire year of this in 2012 and very little happened. As long as we don't get more instability and relaxed shear, not much is going to happen again...although we'll see what happens as we actually get into the season.


Exactly.

I'm ready for the rain to move up to E Central FL, we haven't received much at all lately. Is 90l officially an invest yet?
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2055. Patrap
7:40 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Published on May 23, 2013

first flight of Oklahoma State's Talos UAV

15.5 ft wingspan
50 lb GTOW
128mm Scheubler EDF ~10KW

Don't let the sound fool you. It's electric.
Music: Muse - "Madness" instrumental





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2054. Jedkins01
7:37 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting boyntonweathergirl:


Not sure where you are located but South Florida we cannot handle much more rain. Its been raining for almost a week strait. Several schools and road ways had to be closed earlier this week due to flooding. We have gotten over 8 inches in the past few days


I'm talking relatively speaking 8 inches in most places means water rescues from homes completely underwater.
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2053. boyntonweathergirl
7:24 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting Jedkins01:


We are always ready for wet times here after the dry season is now over :)

The porous ground here can handle prolific rains without severe flooding, although areas the live by lakes and rivers and low ground inland can still see bad flooding when we are talking 10 to 20 inches of rain.


Not sure where you are located but South Florida we cannot handle much more rain. Its been raining for almost a week strait. Several schools and road ways had to be closed earlier this week due to flooding. We have gotten over 8 inches in the past few days
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2052. hurricaneben
7:23 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting Mikla:

Hey, good to see another West Boca person on here! We are up to 2.75" in the last hour. You can check my site here to get updates off my station.


Stay safe, my friend's neighborhood is pretty much flooded. Looks like this may be just an appetizer if the whole swath of heavy rainfall or 'Andrea' forecast verifies later this week.
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2051. sar2401
7:23 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting moonlightcowboy:


We saw first-hand what that mound of rocket fuel can do to a system with Katrina. Any system crossing that becomes strengthened by magnitudes. It's like a bulls-eye on a tropical dartboard - the storm wins.

Oh, my, let's not start on the "rocket fuel" thing again. :-) We had an entire year of this in 2012 and very little happened. As long as we don't get more instability and relaxed shear, not much is going to happen again...although we'll see what happens as we actually get into the season.
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2050. CybrTeddy
7:22 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:
So, will it be:
a) on-dray-uh
b) an-dree-uh

????


It's pronounced "an-dree-uh" any other form is incorrect.
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2049. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
7:21 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
2048. DocNDswamp
7:20 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
re: #2040 nrt
LOL, no need for manned Cessnas, I can already envision TWC working up the graphics for "Great Hurricane Hunt 2015" emblazoned across the fusilage of their drone...
;)
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2047. Jwd41190
7:19 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
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2046. HurricaneHunterJoe
7:18 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
So, will it be:
a) on-dray-uh
b) an-dree-uh

????
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2045. yonzabam
7:15 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting Luisport:
Giant sinkhole follows Oklahoma storm, flooding Link


Impressive video, but I don't know if I'd call that a 'sinkhole'. Extreme subsidence, more like.
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2044. myway
7:14 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting Mikla:

Hey, good to see another West Boca person on here! We are up to 2.75" in the last hour. You can check my site here to get updates off my station.


East Boca here. Rain starting to slow down.
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2043. GeoffreyWPB
7:14 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
The National Weather Service in Miami has issued an

* Urban Flood Advisory for...
northeastern Broward County in Southeast Florida...
this includes the cities of... Deerfield Beach... Coral Springs...
southeastern Palm Beach County in Southeast Florida...
this includes the city of Boca Raton...

* until 445 PM EDT

* at 251 PM EDT... additional reports from west Boca and surrounding
areas indicate additional urban flooding in these areas. The Flood
Advisory has been expanded to include areas of northeast Broward
County and southeast Palm Beach County with heavy showers occurring
in these areas.

Additional rainfall amounts of at least two to three inches are
possible in the advised area.

A Flash Flood Warning for portions of the advisory area may be
issued if conditions warrant.

Heavy rainfall will cause ponding of water in urban areas, highways,
streets and underpasses as well as other poor drainage areas and low
lying spots. Runoff will also cause elevated waters levels in canals
and ditches.

A Flood Advisory means ponding of water in urban or other areas is
occurring or is imminent. Runoff may also elevate water levels in
canals and ditches.
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2040. nrtiwlnvragn
7:09 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting daddyjames:
Really nice opinion piece by the Washington Post, that addresses both Tornado, and indirectly Hurricane, and the considerations for evacuation, chasing, irresponsibility by mets in the media, and sheltering:

The day that should change tornado actions and storm chasing forever

By Jason Samenow, Published: June 1, 2013 at 6:00 am

Edit: Back outta here, have a good day!


How long before "chasers" start flying Cessnas into landfalling hurricanes? That video would get them some $.
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2039. Luisport
7:04 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Giant sinkhole follows Oklahoma storm, flooding Link
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2037. Tropicsweatherpr
7:02 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Don't know about the first time but I have seen them skip cycles before. Also, they used to not even open an invest for a 10% area, normally would be 20-30. Not sure what they are doing with the 70 number generating CHG but no updates in TCWEB. Suspect they will fix the software so 70 numbers do not generate CHG.


IMO,is all kinda strange.But as the timframe the models see some sort of development, I imagine they will start to update in the 90L file instead of the 70 one.
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2036. Mikla
7:00 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting hurricaneben:


I live just barely a couple of miles from you and while the rain has relaxed since then, about 20 mins ago, it was pouring unlike anything I've actually seen by my house since Isaac and my neighborhood (which is as flood proof as it can get) was actually starting to take on water in certain parts. Lightning was insane, yeah, it's quite rough. I live off the 441 near Glades. So you know where that is.

Hey, good to see another West Boca person on here! We are up to 2.75" in the last hour. You can check my site here to get updates off my station.
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2035. daddyjames
7:00 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Really nice opinion piece by the Washington Post, that addresses both Tornado, and indirectly Hurricane, and the considerations for evacuation, chasing, irresponsibility by mets in the media, and sheltering:

The day that should change tornado actions and storm chasing forever

By Jason Samenow, Published: June 1, 2013 at 6:00 am

Edit: Back outta here, have a good day!
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2034. moonlightcowboy
6:58 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting Patrap:
Best of the ESL

Over the years, the Earth Scan Lab has produced a great deal of imagery and research. Here you'll find some of our best work.


Hurricane Katrina's approach to the Gulf Coast





Nice animation, Pat. I just don't like the Saffir-Simpson scale, never have. The agencies, folks can say what they will, but Katrina was of Cat5 status if there is any kind of quantifiable scale. For Pete's sake, it exited the northeast part of the state nearly 400 miles further inland still a Cat1 storm. She was a big, bad monster! Not to diminish Andrew, Sandy, others, etc, but the depth of widespread, unrelenting damage was beyond massive description.



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2033. nrtiwlnvragn
6:54 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
Hi nrt. Is this the first time that there is a invest but is not updated to have the BAMS for more than 24 hours?


Don't know about the first time but I have seen them skip cycles before. Also, they used to not even open an invest for a 10% area, normally would be 20-30. Not sure what they are doing with the 70 number generating CHG but no updates in TCWEB. Suspect they will fix the software so 70 numbers do not generate CHG.
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2032. hurricaneben
6:53 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting Mikla:
Raining like heck where I live (Boca Raton, FL). Have gotten 2" in the last hour and it is raining at 4"/hr now.
Red square near the center is my house...


I live just barely a couple of miles from you and while the rain has relaxed since then, about 20 mins ago, it was pouring unlike anything I've actually seen by my house since Isaac and my neighborhood (which is as flood proof as it can get) was actually starting to take on water in certain parts. Lightning was insane, yeah, it's quite rough. I live off the 441 near Glades. So you know where that is.
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2031. Bluestorm5
6:52 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
According to NWS Norman, Moore suffered tornado damage again. The tornado track got located in the northern part of Moore above the track of EF5 damage. Thankfully, tornado only did EF0 damage in Moore.
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2030. Patrap
6:52 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Best of the ESL

Over the years, the Earth Scan Lab has produced a great deal of imagery and research. Here you'll find some of our best work.


Hurricane Katrina's approach to the Gulf Coast



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2029. RevInFL
6:52 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
We have a very fine rain coming down here in North Titusville, FL. It is the kind of rain that feels tropical in nature.
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2028. Jedkins01
6:50 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting SouthernIllinois:
I just ran the CMC model for 12Z and could not believe what I saw. Wow. And that's only 4 days out. I would say the chances of that aren't likely, but possible. A strong 45-50 MPH TS anywhere from the Big Bend region of Florida down to Venice I could see. I think with a system like this, direct landfall isn't as important as the amount of real estate this thing (whatever it will become) could impact.

Either way, prolific rainfall totals on the way to most of the Sunshine State. I hope folks are ready for some wet times!


We are always ready for wet times here after the dry season is now over :)

The porous ground here can handle prolific rains without severe flooding, although areas the live by lakes and rivers and low ground inland can still see bad flooding when we are talking 10 to 20 inches of rain.
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2027. Tropicsweatherpr
6:49 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Hi nrt. Is this the first time that there is a invest but is not updated to have the BAMS for more than 24 hours?
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2026. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
6:44 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
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2025. Birthmark
6:43 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:

Simulpost!
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2023. HurricaneHunterJoe
6:41 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
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2022. moonlightcowboy
6:41 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting seminolesfan:


Yes, we have!

I was posting about the same topic(the current eddy) a couple days ago and mentioning its WILD CARD status for the upcoming season for any west/central gulf entities we may see.

As usual, time will tell...


And, I suspect we'll likely now see the loop begin to get elongated again northwards readying to birth another eddy towards season's end, broadening the warm-area target. A late CV storm passing through this area will likely have maximum TCHP in the GoM.
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2021. Mikla
6:40 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Raining like heck where I live (Boca Raton, FL). Have gotten 2" in the last hour and it is raining at 4"/hr now.
Red square near the center is my house...
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2020. nrtiwlnvragn
6:39 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting Snowlover123:


Is there a reason why this chart is so much colder in the GOMEX than the NOAA/NESDIS chart?



NOAA/NESDIS chart uses a different climatology:

The SST anomaly field (degrees C) is the difference between the 50 km nighttime-only SST and the nighttime-only monthly mean SST climatology. The climatology is based on nighttime observations from 1984-1993, with SST observations from the years 1991 and 1992 omitted due to aerosol contamination from the eruption Mt. Pinatubo in June of 1991.


Link
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2019. Birthmark
6:39 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting Snowlover123:


Is there a reason why this chart is so much colder in the GOMEX than the NOAA/NESDIS chart?


Different baseline periods. The CDAS anomaly is relative to 1982-2010.

The NOAA chart is "The SST anomaly field (degrees C) is the difference between the 50 km nighttime-only SST and the nighttime-only monthly mean SST climatology. The climatology is based on nighttime observations from 1984-1993, with SST observations from the years 1991 and 1992 omitted due to aerosol contamination from the eruption Mt. Pinatubo in June of 1991." Link
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2018. HurricaneHunterJoe
6:38 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
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2017. GTcooliebai
6:36 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
144 hrs.

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2016. wunderkidcayman
6:35 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
hey guys it was a bit brighter this morning now gone back to cloudy
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2015. Tropicsweatherpr
6:33 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting Snowlover123:


Is there a reason why this chart is so much colder in the GOMEX than the NOAA/NESDIS chart?



Maybe Levi can answer the question because is his graphic.
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2014. HurricaneHunterJoe
6:31 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
I always like to know peoples thought processes when disagreeing with models.....i park the info away for another day when it comes to fruition.
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2013. seminolesfan
6:30 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting moonlightcowboy:


We saw first-hand what that mound of rocket fuel can do to a system with Katrina. Any system crossing that becomes strengthened by magnitudes. It's like a bulls-eye on a tropical dartboard - the storm wins.


Yes, we have!

I was posting about the same topic(the current eddy) a couple days ago and mentioning its WILD CARD status for the upcoming season for any west/central gulf entities we may see.

As usual, time will tell...
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2012. Bluestorm5
6:30 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
NWS Norman just tweeted that El Reno tornado is still at EF3, but they've been surveying west of US 81 according to the damage map posted by NWS Norman. According to the radar, tornado peaked east of US 81, the area survey team haven't reached yet. They did surveyed a home right on side of US 81 and that was where tornado got EF3 ranking. 190 knots marker on this tornado is the new record for the highest knots marker I've seen in few months of owning GRLevel3 program. Shawnee and Moore tornadoes both had a 170 knots marker.

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2011. HurricaneHunterJoe
6:30 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


A cat 1 is not going to hit tampa in 3 days.
CMC is crazy

GFS has an odd split.
The east coast part i'll believe.
Im not busting your ballz, I really am curious about how you came to the conclusion.
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2010. GTcooliebai
6:29 PM GMT on June 01, 2013
96 hrs.

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