Tornadoes, Floods, and Severe Thunderstorms Continue in the Midwest

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:46 PM GMT on May 31, 2013

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It was yet another active day for tornadoes, flooding, and severe thunderstorms in the Midwest on Thursday, with NOAA's Storm Prediction Center (SPC) logging 16 preliminary tornado reports. Twisters touched down in Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Illinois. The tornadoes missed heavily populated areas for the most part, but seven people were injured in Arkansas in two separate tornadoes, and two other people were hurt by lightning. The severe weather forced organizers of the outdoor Wakarusa Music Festival north of Ozark, Arkansas to delay the start of the festival. The band "Widespread Panic" was one of the groups scheduled to perform, leading to an Associated Press headline from yesterday titled, "Nine hurt in Arkansas storm; Widespread Panic delayed." Heavy rains from this week's thunderstorms have pushed the Mississippi River to major flood stage at most places from Burlington Iowa to Quincy Illinois, and the river is expected to crest near major flood stage at St. Louis early next week. In Iowa, the Cedar River at Cedar Falls, the Iowa River at Marengo, and the Skunk River near Sigourney and at Augusta are also in major flood. The latest forecast from NOAA's Storm Prediction Center calls for a "Moderate Risk" of severe weather today (Friday) over much of Oklahoma and Southwest Missouri, including Oklahoma City and Tulsa in Oklahoma, and Joplin, Missouri, with the potential for several strong EF-2 and EF-3 tornadoes.


Figure 1. Lightning strike from a severe thunderstorm near Guthrie, Oklahoma on May 30, 2013, as photographed by KFOR-TV. (AP Photo/KFOR-TV)


Figure 2. Severe weather outlook for Thursday, May 30, calls for a "Moderate Risk" of severe weather over much of Oklahoma and Southwest Missouri, including Oklahoma City and Tulsa in Oklahoma, and Joplin, Missouri. You can follow today's severe weather outbreak from our Severe Weather page.

A mostly quiet year for violent tornadoes
After a very quiet March, April, and first half of May, the U.S. tornado season has become very active during the last half of May, and is beginning to catch up to normal. TWC's tornado expert Dr. Greg Forbes has a preliminary count of 181 tornadoes for the month of May, through May 29, which is 35% below the 10-year average of 279 through May 29th. May 2012 had only 121 tornadoes. The 2013 tornado tally has risen significantly in the last half of May, due to 7 of the last 15 days having above-average numbers of tornadoes. Fortunately, we are well below-average for strong and violent EF-3, EF-4, and EF-5 tornadoes so far in 2013. According to NOAA, the U.S. has averaged 43 EF-3 or stronger tornadoes per year during the period 1954 - 2012. With tornado season nearly half over, only twelve EF-3 and EF-4 tornadoes have been recorded so far in 2013. An average year should have had at least twenty of these tornadoes by this point in the year. Here are the twelve EF-3 and stronger tornadoes so far in 2013, as detailed in Wikipedia's excellent Tornadoes of 2013 page:

EF-5, May 20, Moore, Oklahoma. 24 deaths, 377 injuries, $2 billion in damage.
EF-4, May 28, Ottawa County, Kansas. Intensity based on mobile Doppler radar data. See the Capital Weather Gang's description of this tornado.
EF-4, May 19, Shawnee, Oklahoma. 2 deaths, 6 injuries.
EF-4, May 15, Granbury, TX. 6 deaths, 24+ injuries.
EF-4, May 18, Rozel, Kansas.
EF-4, February 10, Hattiesburg, MS. 0 deaths, 82 injuries.
EF-3, Corning, KS, May 28.
EF-3, May 27, Lebanon - Esbon, KS. 1 injured. Wind gust of 175 mph measured by TIV2 intercept vehicle.
EF-3, May 15, Cleburne, TX. No deaths or injuries.
EF-3, January 30, Adairsville, GA. 1 death, 17 injuries, 363 buildings damaged or destroyed.
EF-3, April 11, Kemper County, AL. 1 death, 9 injuries.
EF-3, May 19, Luther - Carney, Oklahoma.


Figure 3. The annual number of EF-3 and stronger tornadoes, 1954 - 2012. The greatest number of these dangerous tornadoes was 131 in 1974, the year of the notorious "Super Outbreak." The minimum was just 15, set in 1987. The average is 43 per year. Image credit: NOAA.


Video 1. Impressive 2-minute timelapse of the Bennington, Kansas wedge tornado of May 28, 2013, as filmed by the Aussie Storm Chasers. As discussed in an excellent blog post by Jason Samenow of the Capital Weather Gang, the violent EF-4 tornado stood still for nearly an hour, and had wind gusts as high as 264 mph at an altitude of 300 feet measured by Doppler on Wheels.

Remains of Hurricane Barbara bringing heavy rains to Mexico
Hurricane Barbara died on Thursday as it attempted to cross Mexico's Isthmus of Tehuantepec into the southernmost Gulf of Mexico. While there is no low level circulation apparent on satellite loops this Friday morning, there is a bit of spin at middle levels of the atmosphere, and the remains of Barbara are kicking up some heavy thunderstorm activity over the southernmost Gulf of Mexico and adjacent land areas of Mexico. Wind shear is a high 20 knots in the region, and the area of disturbed weather is quite small, so I don't expect any development to occur over the next few days. Wind shear is predicted to remain high over the Gulf of Mexico for the next six days, and none of the reliable computers models is calling for tropical cyclone development in the Atlantic during that period. Late next week, wind shear is predicted to drop, and there is a better chance for tropical cyclone development in the Gulf of Mexico or Western Caribbean. Both the GFS and ECMWF models suggest that a strong tropical disturbance with heavy rains may affect Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula, Western Cuba, and the Southwest Florida by Friday next week.


Figure 4. Remains of Hurricane Barbara in the southernmost Gulf of Mexico as seen by MODIS at 12:05 pm EDT Thursday, May 30, 2013. Barbara had just been declared dead one hour prior to this photo. Image credit: NASA.

Saturday, June 1, is the first day of hurricane season, and I'll post a quick look at what we might expect to see in June.

Jeff Masters

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This was one of the easiest chase days ever. Left Salina, Ks and thought about going after the storms to the NW but turned back after about 15 miles when the storm that spawned this tornado went up. Me and my group setup just west of Bennington about 20 minutes before this tornado touched down, catching a brief rope tornado about 10 minutes before this tornado touched down. It sat almost stationary for about 45 and we watched it's entire life cycle without having to move.
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Quoting Dsntslp:
Hiya!

It has been my experience, in 42 years of living in the Treasure Coast area of FL, that as long as the drainage canals remain unclogged, we do not flood.

Have a great night.


Hi back atcha!

More than half of the east coast of South Florida is built upon what used to be the Everglades which is not much above sea level (I believe my folks house is 1 foot above MSL).

The only reason it does not flood is because of all the canals and the vast network of pumps. I can count on one hand when it flooded. And this was very unusual events of extremely heavy rain.

In the Treasure coast, i believe that you are a few more feet above sea level. yes, if it weren't for the canals . . .
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Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:

I noticed that on the 12Z models this morning.....and at 6-7 days out......kinda odd...since we are led to believe that we should almost ignore anything further out than 120 hours.


With the Energy of Barbra's remnants and the Tropical Waves in the Caribbean, and according to that picture, the Anti-Cyclone setting up, the possibility of the models being correct may be higher than normal.

But yes, typically 200+ hours out is disregarded as ghost storms.
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Quoting daddyjames:


Its Florida, it happens. All the time.


I moved here in '08 and the worst I have experienced was Fay that year. Don't get me wrong we have had our fair share of strong dailies dumping rain, but f the models have been contending that we are going to get hit by a tropical system, I wanted to know from any of the regulars what they think of this strange model consensus and if anyone has/can post the most recent runs.
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1457. sar2401
Quoting daddyjames:


Notice they did not have a picture of the storm chaser vehicle :D

"I saw my life flash before my eyes," Bettes said in a live phone interview..." Classic line, Mike. I guess you found out your "heavy SUV" is no match for a tornado. I thought you guys had things like radar on board. How did you let yourselves get in the middle of a rain wrapped tornado?
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Quoting tropicalnewbee:
can anyone post the latest runs of the models? I am in east cent FL (as I have mentioned to the regulars before) and we are looking at a lot of precipitation over the next week it seems and I am curious about how that comes to be (tropical system or major daily t-storms). TIA.


Here is a great site for the model runs.

Link
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Quoting Dsntslp:
Hiya!

It has been my experience, in 42 years of living in the Treasure Coast area of FL, that as long as the drainage canals remain unclogged, we do not flood. This horrid FL sand we garden in percolates fast, too fast for gardening in fact unless copious amounts of compost or peat etc are added.

Fay was an exception because she stalled, not so much here but Orlando got smacked hard as Fay just sat and sat and sat there raining all the while, IIRC.

I don't remember the name of that last storm we had here but we did have flooding come through the back of the house here. But, again, that was because the drainage canal behind the house was clogged with debris. I think I was actually on here griping about it at the time.

Thanks for the updates all and everybody stay safe.

Having been through more hurricanes than I can remember the names of and even a tornado, possibly two, my heart sure goes out to the folks that have been through these this year.

Have a great night.
so right about our soil. we can have 5 inches of rain, no puddles and 4 days later the grass is all dried out
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Quoting daddyjames:


LOL yes, you do avoid West Miami. There used to be a student housing complex close to where the President's house is - maybe they took all of that down by now - this was let's say - some time ago.

Used to live in a condo/townhouse by 156th just off of Federal Hwy.


Nope it still is there lol, and Federal Hwy is a horrible commute every day.

It's been seven years since a Hurricane has hit Florida, (although Beryl can be included for the extreme northern tip of Florida bordering Georgia), I'm sure that has actually brought down insurance costs, I don't want a Hurricane anytime soon.
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Quoting tropicalnewbee:
can anyone post the latest runs of the models? I am in east cent FL (as I have mentioned to the regulars before) and we are looking at a lot of precipitation over the next week it seems and I am curious about how that comes to be (tropical system or major daily t-storms). TIA.


Its Florida, it happens. All the time.
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1452. Dsntslp
Hiya!

It has been my experience, in 42 years of living in the Treasure Coast area of FL, that as long as the drainage canals remain unclogged, we do not flood. This horrid FL sand we garden in percolates fast, too fast for gardening in fact unless copious amounts of compost or peat etc are added.

Fay was an exception because she stalled, not so much here but Orlando got smacked hard as Fay just sat and sat and sat there raining all the while, IIRC.

I don't remember the name of that last storm we had here but we did have flooding come through the back of the house here. But, again, that was because the drainage canal behind the house was clogged with debris. I think I was actually on here griping about it at the time.

Thanks for the updates all and everybody stay safe.

Having been through more hurricanes than I can remember the names of and even a tornado, possibly two, my heart sure goes out to the folks that have been through these this year.

Have a great night.
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1451. FOREX
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


I think 90L position has to be moved eastward from where it has been since this morning without any more updates.


Does anyone know if the most recent GFS showed anything interesting??
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Quoting sar2401:

There's a reason why I'm in my easy chair, as you put it, and not out trying to get in the middle of a tornado, and it has to do with a reasonable fear of serious physical harm or death. These guys chose, for commercial gain, to chase storms, and the storm almost got them. Still, it's better than working at Walmart, right?
you go ahead and grow old in your easy chair , tell your grandkids what ya saw on tv, I myself would rather tell them about real life experience as those young men will some day. I dont wanna die in a easy chair. I wanna go "with my boots on"
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Quoting FIUStormChaser:


Hey, I know we have all been focused on the developing story out of Oklahoma and St.Louis, but isn't it significant that the Euro, CMC, GFS and CCGEM all show a system originating in the S Gulf?


I noticed that on the 12Z models this morning.....and at 6-7 days out......kinda odd...since we are led to believe that we should almost ignore anything further out than 120 hours.
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can anyone post the latest runs of the models? I am in east cent FL (as I have mentioned to the regulars before) and we are looking at a lot of precipitation over the next week it seems and I am curious about how that comes to be (tropical system or major daily t-storms). TIA.
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Time to Bail - Stay Safe - Stay Dry - Stay Warm - Stay Inside (duh)
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1446. sar2401
Quoting FIUStormChaser:


You have to understand that Storm Chasing is a way of life, just like a person who engages in Boxing or other dangerous activities such as Coal mining, it is a way of living.

Some chase for the thrill, others chase for fame, and some chase for Science.

And others chase in the hope of big money selling their videos of near death experiences. Kind of like the "Bum Fights" of the weather world.
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MCLEAN IL-PIATT IL-CHAMPAIGN IL-DE WITT IL-
1020 PM CDT FRI MAY 31 2013

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR EASTERN DE WITT...
NORTHWESTERN CHAMPAIGN...NORTHERN PIATT AND SOUTHEASTERN MCLEAN
COUNTIES UNTIL 1045 PM CDT...

AT 1018 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO
WAS LOCATED 5 MILES SOUTHWEST OF DE LAND...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 55
MPH.

HAZARD...DEVELOPING TORNADO.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...MOBILE HOMES WILL BE HEAVILY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL
OCCUR. FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DEADLY TO PEOPLE AND ANIMALS.
EXTENSIVE TREE DAMAGE IS LIKELY.

LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
MONTICELLO...CHAMPAIGN...DE LAND...WHITE HEATH...FARMER CITY...
SEYMOUR...MANSFIELD...MAHOMET...SAVOY...LAKE OF THE WOODS...URBANA...
LODGE...GALESVILLE...WILLARD AIRPORT...BELLFLOWER AND FOOSLAND.

THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 57 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 230 AND 239.

THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 72 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 157 AND 182.

THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 74 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 158 AND 182.
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1444. whitewabit (Mod)
Quoting FIUStormChaser:


You have to understand that Storm Chasing is a way of life, just like a person who engages in Boxing or other dangerous activities such as Coal mining, it is a way of living.

Some chase for the thrill, others chase for fame, and some chase for Science.


The first Rule to chasing is to have the knowledge to do it safely and there were chasers today that did not display that trait ..
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1443. sar2401
Quoting floridaT:
easy to say from your easy chair.

There's a reason why I'm in my easy chair, as you put it, and not out trying to get in the middle of a tornado, and it has to do with a reasonable fear of serious physical harm or death. These guys chose, for commercial gain, to chase storms, and the storm almost got them. Still, it's better than working at Walmart, right?
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Quoting FIUStormChaser:


Yeah my house is located on 163rd street, just ten streets south of where you used to live.

And I think you are talking about the University Apartments, Grad housing in FIU located on 107 avenue. And I understand, Campus has minor floods after a typical afternoon thunderstorm, so I can only imagine the plight you went through with Irene.

The computer facilities are still located on the first floor of the student union, however most of the computer facilities are located on the second floor of the Library adjacent to the student union and on higher ground.

But in the event of a Tropical System, it is strongly recommended even after all the improvements to avoid West Miami.


LOL yes, you do avoid West Miami. There used to be a student housing complex close to where the President's house is - maybe they took all of that down by now - this was let's say - some time ago.

Used to live in a condo/townhouse by 156th just off of Federal Hwy.
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Fisky, U got mail
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Quoting lostinohio:
Maybe the Good Lord is giving a warning to some who have become complacent about storm chasing. It is a great tool to help give warning, but never forget---Man is no match for Nature and it's power. And man can never,never predict EXACTLY what a storm will do regardless of our technical prowess. We came close to losing at least 2 or 3 Professional chase crews today.


You have to understand that Storm Chasing is a way of life, just like a person who engages in Boxing or other dangerous activities such as Coal mining, it is a way of living.

Some chase for the thrill, others chase for fame, and some chase for Science.
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Quoting floridaT:
tell walmart your not comming in because of a thunderstorm


I worked sales for a roofing company in Ft Walton Beach FL when Katrina and Dennis hit. The jackass would have roofs loaded the day before and panic the day of. I was on the chit list for not showing up during a storm to offload a roof.
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Quoting sar2401:

The best part was when our little storm geeks realized this was real life, not a video game, and they might actually get killed. The second best part was the driver deciding, after being hit by the first round of debris, to drive forward real fast so they could get slammed again. Apparently, common sense is not needed to be a storm chaser.


Common sense? If you had any common sense why would you be looking to find a tornado? I live here (further north) - I don't want to see one.
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URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 267
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1110 PM EDT FRI MAY 31 2013

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF
NORTHEAST ILLINOIS
CENTRAL AND NORTHERN INDIANA
WESTERN OHIO

* EFFECTIVE THIS FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY MORNING FROM 1110 PM
UNTIL 600 AM EDT.

* PRIMARY THREATS INCLUDE...
SEVERAL TORNADOES POSSIBLE
NUMEROUS DAMAGING WIND GUSTS LIKELY WITH A FEW SIGNIFICANT GUSTS
TO 80 MPH POSSIBLE
SEVERAL LARGE HAIL EVENTS TO 1.5 INCHES IN DIAMETER POSSIBLE

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 80 STATUTE
MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 50 MILES NORTHEAST OF
LAFAYETTE INDIANA TO 40 MILES WEST OF LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY. FOR A
COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE
UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU7).

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Check out the anticyclone developing across the northwestern Caribbean:



Hey, I know we have all been focused on the developing story out of Oklahoma and St.Louis, but isn't it significant that the Euro, CMC, GFS and CCGEM all show a system originating in the S Gulf?

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Quoting sar2401:

The best part was when our little storm geeks realized this was real life, not a video game, and they might actually get killed. The second best part was the driver deciding, after being hit by the first round of debris, to drive forward real fast so they could get slammed again. Apparently, common sense is not needed to be a storm chaser.
easy to say from your easy chair.
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Quoting Patrap:
Tornado Hunt Team Takes Direct Hit by Tornado
Back To News »
May 31, 2013




Notice they did not have a picture of the storm chaser vehicle :D
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1433. sar2401
Quoting Neapolitan:
Here you go (warning: mild swearing. Also, unnecessary histrionics)...


The best part was when our little storm geeks realized this was real life, not a video game, and they might actually get killed. The second best part was the driver deciding, after being hit by the first round of debris, to drive forward real fast so they could get slammed again. Apparently, common sense is not needed to be a storm chaser.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Check out the anticyclone developing across the northwestern Caribbean:



I think 90L position has to be moved eastward from where it has been since this morning without any more updates.
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1431. Zappy
Quoting Astrometeor:


I would, I could care less about a job if it meant rolling dice on my life with Death. Priorities first.


Easier said than done...
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Quoting daddyjames:


Used to live there and worked at the USDA facility right on the bay off of Old Cutler Road and 152nd.

Yeah, the canal north of 8th overflowed - this was when then were constructing the medical building on campus. Water was up to 6-8ft deep in the parking lot/dorms across from the Chemistry/Physics building. helped a fellow gard student push his submerged car out.

And because all of the containment ponds are all by the exits, it took two days before the water went down enough to escape campus.

Edit: One of the reasons that the Student Union was redone - not the only one - was that the computer facilities for students was located in a suken area in there, and flooded entirely.


Yeah my house is located on 163rd street, just ten streets south of where you used to live.

And I think you are talking about the University Apartments, Grad housing in FIU located on 107 avenue. And I understand, Campus has minor floods after a typical afternoon thunderstorm, so I can only imagine the plight you went through with Irene.

The computer facilities are still located on the first floor of the student union, however most of the computer facilities are located on the second floor of the Library adjacent to the student union and on higher ground.

But in the event of a Tropical System, it is strongly recommended even after all the improvements to avoid West Miami.
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Quoting FLwolverine:
Too much concrete and too many interruptions to natural surface water flow.


No, it takes alot - except for a few low lying areas (6 inches lower in some cases) - for South Florida to flood. But when it does, it all floods. And the water has no place to go until they pump it out which takes a while.
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Quoting FLwolverine:
Some people might have stayed at work or at the mall or wherever they were and then decided they would try to get home anyway. These storms have been going on for hours.

Also commenter on TWC from OKC just mentioned any people took the advice to get out of the path of he storm if they didn't have good shelter. That plan didn't work out so well unfortunately.


Well, we found out just how many people don't think they had good shelter or had other priorities in mind.
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SSD IS OFFICIALLY SAYING THAT WE HAVE 90L
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Quoting sar2401:

Or, they are out sightseeing, a a more likely explanation than everyone on the road on a Friday night is on the way to a job somewhere.
Some people might have stayed at work or at the mall or wherever they were and then decided they would try to get home anyway. These storms have been going on for hours.

Also commenter on TWC from OKC just mentioned any people took the advice to get out of the path of he storm if they didn't have good shelter. That plan didn't work out so well unfortunately.
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Check out the anticyclone developing across the northwestern Caribbean:

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1424. Patrap
Tornado Hunt Team Takes Direct Hit by Tornado
Back To News »
May 31, 2013


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Quoting floridaT:
tell walmart your not comming in because of a thunderstorm


I would, I could care less about a job if it meant rolling dice on my life with Death. Priorities first.
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Quoting FIUStormChaser:


Palmetto Bay/ Cutler Ridge

I've been living on FIU's Campus for the last two years.

But yes, FIU is located in Sweetwater/ Westchester the most flood prone area of Miami. That is the area that is always sandbagged during any tropical system.

However most of South Florida can handle a lot of rain, as a daily afternoon thunderstorm can typically dump 5-6 inches of rain on any given day.


Used to live there and worked at the USDA facility right on the bay off of Old Cutler Road and 152nd.

Yeah, the canal north of 8th overflowed - this was when then were constructing the medical building on campus. Water was up to 6-8ft deep in the parking lot/dorms across from the Chemistry/Physics building. helped a fellow gard student push his submerged car out.

And because all of the containment ponds are all by the exits, it took two days before the water went down enough to escape campus.

Edit: One of the reasons that the Student Union was redone - not the only one - was that the computer facilities for students was located in a suken area in there, and flooded entirely.
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Maybe the Good Lord is giving a warning to some who have become complacent about storm chasing. It is a great tool to help give warning, but never forget---Man is no match for Nature and it's power. And man can never,never predict EXACTLY what a storm will do regardless of our technical prowess. We came close to losing at least 2 or 3 Professional chase crews today.
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Quoting daddyjames:


Where at? I went to FIU, was trapped 2 days on campus when a cold front stalled over us and dumped 20 inches of rain over two days. Hurricane Irene had all of South Florida shut down for two days.

But yes, it takes a lot to flood South Florida, only because of the extensive water control necessary to live there.
Too much concrete and too many interruptions to natural surface water flow.
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1418. sar2401
Quoting floridaT:
because in these days many people are working 2 jobs to make ends meet and many of the employers in those minimum wage jobs don't want to hear the weather as an excuse, they have quotas to make

Or, they are out sightseeing, a more likely explanation than everyone on the road on a Friday night is on the way to a job somewhere.
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Quoting Astrometeor:


No, that's not acceptable in this situation. This was a unique storm, the authorities would greatly appreciate it if people stayed home. One's life is more important than a paycheck.
tell walmart your not comming in because of a thunderstorm
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Quoting daddyjames:


Where at? I went to FIU, was trapped 2 days on campus when a cold front stalled over us and dumped 20 inches of rain over two days. Hurricane Irene had all of South Florida shut down for two days.

But yes, it takes a lot to flood South Florida, only because of the extensive water control necessary to live there.


Palmetto Bay/ Cutler Ridge

I've been living on FIU's Campus for the last two years.

But yes, FIU is located in Sweetwater/ Westchester the most flood prone area of Miami. That is the area that is always sandbagged during any tropical system.

However most of South Florida can handle a lot of rain, as a daily afternoon thunderstorm can typically dump 5-6+ inches of rain on any given day.
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Quoting floridaT:
because in these days many people are working 2 jobs to make ends meet and many of the employers in those minimum wage jobs don't want to hear the weather as an excuse, they have quotas to make


No, that's not acceptable in this situation. This was a unique storm, the authorities would greatly appreciate it if people stayed home. One's life is more important than a paycheck.
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1414. flsky
Quoting Neapolitan:
Here you go (warning: mild swearing)...

Quoting Neapolitan:
Here you go (warning: mild swearing)...



EXTREMELY lucky to be alive
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Quoting ncstorm:
TWC is showing a live stream of an intersection that is without lights in OKC..SO MANY cars out..why are these people not hunkered down?
because in these days many people are working 2 jobs to make ends meet and many of the employers in those minimum wage jobs don't want to hear the weather as an excuse, they have quotas to make
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Tropical Wave with low pressure in Eastern Atlantic is introduced at 00z Surface Analysis.

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Quoting FIUStormChaser:


20 Inches seems a little high of a figure, don't you think?

And I don't know, Florida does have extremely porous soil, the area I've lived in for a the longest time has never had more than minor flooding even during Fay in 2008.


Where at? I went to FIU, was trapped 2 days on campus when a cold front stalled over us and dumped 20 inches of rain over two days. Hurricane Irene had all of South Florida shut down for two days.

But yes, it takes a lot to flood South Florida, only because of the extensive water control necessary to live there.
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No damage done to Rams Park in Earth City, MO. Rams Park is the HQ and training center of STL Rams.
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