Tornadoes Slam 5-State Area, Killing Two; Outbreak Continues Today

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:29 PM GMT on May 20, 2013

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The Midwest U.S. is under the gun again today, as a potent storm system that spawned a preliminary count of 24 tornadoes in five states on Sunday reloads and prepares to dish out another afternoon and evening of atmospheric mayhem. Sunday's tornadoes swept through Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, Missouri, and Illinois, with Oklahoma bearing the brunt of the assault. The outbreak's only deadly tornado--preliminarily rated as en EF-5 with 166 - 200 mph winds--hit Shawnee, Oklahoma, a town of 30,000 located 35 miles southeast of Oklahoma City. The twister leveled a trailer park, killing two people, and blew a semi-trailer off of an expressway overpass on I-40. At least 21 people were injured and 300 homes destroyed over the five-state area by the tornadoes. The 24 tornadoes from May 19 make it the biggest day for tornadoes in the U.S. this spring, and the highest number reported in one day since January 30, when 44 tornadoes touched down from Georgia to Indiana.


Figure 1. The Shawnee, Oklahoma tornado at 6:44 pm CDT May 19, 2013, as it passed just NW of Shawnee. The tornado killed two people in a mobile home park in Shawnee. Viewer submitted photo. #okwx pic.twitter.com/UCH9e8o9G8 Matt Mahler@themahler


Figure 2. The Shawnee tornado hurled a semi-trailer off of an expressway overpass at Highway 117 and I-40 in Oklahoma, and toppled another semi. Four people who sheltered under this overpass were injured, one seriously, and taken to the hospital. Highway overpasses can act to amplify a tornado's winds, and are very dangerous places to be during a tornado. According to the NWS in Norman Oklahoma, during the tornado outbreak of May 3, 1999, tornadoes crossed three highway overpasses, and at all three locations, there was a fatality. One of the fatalities occurred from an EF-2 tornado in a rural area, which suggests that a tornado need not be a large, violent tornado with a considerable debris cloud to cause fatal injuries to people seeking shelter from storms under overpasses. In addition to the fatal injuries to three people, there were also many severe, potentially life-threatening and gruesome injuries inflicted upon people underneath the overpasses, that in some cases, has left these people with permanent disabilities. Don't take shelter under a highway overpass from a tornado! Image credit: KFOR.com.


Figure 3. Radar reflectivity image taken at 6:08 pm CDT May 19, 2013 of the supercell thunderstorm that spawned the Shawnee, Oklahoma tornado.


Figure 4. Doppler velocity image taken at 6:08 pm CDT May 19, 2013 of the supercell thunderstorm that spawned the Shawnee, Oklahoma tornado. Note the couplet of dark red colors right next to light blues near the center of the image, showing that the air was moving both towards the radar and away from it within a short distance, indicating a tight rotation of the tornado's parent mesocyclone.

Iowa's record tornado-free streak ends at 359 days
A tornado touched down near Slater, Iowa at 6:10 pm CDT on Sunday, May 19, one of six tornadoes reported in the state that day. Remarkably, it was the first tornado recorded in the state since May 24, 2012 (Fayette County.) The 359-day streak without a tornado was the longest tornado-free period in state history. The previous record was 355 days, set between May 5, 1955, and April 26, 1956. The new streak is far more impressive because digital technology and spotter networks today are so comprehensive, resulting in far fewer missed tornadoes. There was a much higher likelihood back in the 1950s for tornadoes to be missed. The exceptional tornado-free period was due to the combination of the state's dry summer of 2012 (3rd driest on record) and cold spring of 2013 (8th coldest March - April on record). Thunderstorms like heat and moisture to form, and its tough to get a tornado if you're experiencing a top-ten driest or coldest spring or summer.


Figure 5. Radar reflectivity image of the tornado-spawning supercell thunderstorm that dropped an EF-1 tornado just to the southwest of Wichita, Kansas, on May 19, 2013.

Wichita gets lucky
At 3:30 pm Sunday, Kansas' largest city, Wichita, got a major scare when a large supercell thunderstorm spawned a half-mile wide tornado to the southwest of the city. The tornado headed directly for the airport and downtown Wichita, prompting the issuance of "Tornado Emergency" for the city. In the wake of the deadly EF-5 tornado that leveled Joplin, Missouri in 2011, the NWS decided to give local NWS offices the option to issue special, strongly worded tornado warnings to let the population know when a particularly dangerous tornado--one that has been confirmed by spotters to be on the ground--is approaching. The NWS issued one of these very strongly-worded tornado warnings on Sunday for Wichita:

Statement as of 3:47 PM CDT on May 19, 2013
... A Tornado Warning remains in effect for southern Sedgwick County until 415 PM CDT...

... Tornado emergency for Wichita...

At 345 PM CDT... a confirmed large... violent and extremely dangerous tornado was located on the southwest side of Wichita... and moving northeast at 30 mph.

This is a particularly dangerous situation.

Hazard... deadly tornado.

Source... weather spotters confirmed tornado.

Impact... you could be killed if not underground or in a tornado shelter. Complete destruction of neighborhoods... businesses and vehicles will occur. Flying debris will be deadly to people and animals.

Locations impacted include...Maize... downtown Wichita... Wichita... Bel Aire... McConnell Air Force Base…east Wichita and Oaklawn.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

This is an extremely dangerous tornado with complete devastation likely. You could be killed if not underground or in a tornado shelter. Do not delay... seek shelter now! If no underground shelter is available seek shelter in an interior room of the lowest level of a structure... or if time allows... consider moving to an underground shelter elsewhere. Mobile homes and outbuildings will offer no shelter from this tornado.

Tornado... observed
Tornado damage threat... catastrophic
Hail... 2.75in

Wichita TV station KSNW did an excellent job covering the tornado, but were forced to abandon the studio during the height of the storm, as seen on this video clip. You can hear hail pounding the roof as the news crew scrambles for shelter. Station meteorologist J.D. Rudd has this to say: "We are okay. I'll tell you though, it got intense. That thing passed right over our studio. Luckily, it had lifted. But I truly thought the roof of our studio was about to peel off. And the sound of the hail was deafening. What a day. Three hours of coverage with the largest city in the state under a TOR warning for a long time. Weather service called it a Tornado Emergency…'Large, violent tornado on the ground'. Words that gave me chills when I read them." Preliminary damage surveys from the NWS indicate that the Wichita tornado was an EF-1 with a path length 4.6 miles that lifted two miles south of the Wichita airport.


Figure 6. Severe weather outlook for Monday, May 20, calls for a "Moderate Risk" of severe weather over much of Oklahoma, and portions of surrounding states. You can follow today's severe weather outbreak from our Severe Weather page.

Another big severe weather day today in the Midwest
The latest forecasts from NOAA's Storm Prediction Center call for an active severe weather day again on Monday, with a "Moderate Risk" of severe weather over much of Oklahoma, plus portions of Southwest Missouri, Northwest Arkansas, and extreme North Texas. The highest threat for tornadoes will be in Southern Oklahoma and into North Texas. The severe weather outbreak will continue on Tuesday and Wednesday, progressing eastwards into the Ohio Valley and Great Lakes. Only a "Slight Risk" of severe weather is expected those days.


Video 1. Impressive footage (peaking at 4:30 of the video) of the huge tornado that devastated Carney, Oklahoma on May 19, 2013.


Video 2. The "Dominator 3" armored tornado intercept vehicle saw plenty of action on Sunday, as seen in this video, taken just northeast of Edmond, Oklahoma. From the ‪http://tvnweather.com/‬ description of the video: "This tornado was one of the strongest ever intercepted, and we needed all 10,000k pounds of the new Dominator because I have never felt vibration like that before as we were slammed by suction vortices wrapping all around the vehicle. Jim Cantore was on board and he's hooked. All part of #TornadoChasers, Season 2013 coming up this fall on ‪http://tvnweather.com/ondemand‬"

Additional info
Wunderblogger Lee Grenci has an interesting post discussing how last Wednesday's Granbury, Texas tornado was able to form in an atmosphere that seemingly had too little wind shear to get a supercell thunderstorm spinning. The Granbury tornado was an EF-4 with 166 - 200 mph winds that killed six people, and was part of a weather system separate from the one that is generating the current Midwest U.S. tornado outbreak.

news9.com out of Oklahoma City had some excellent live helicopter coverage of Sunday's storms, and will likely be out there again today.

Jeff Masters

Severe Thunderstorm Warned 4 (smyezek)
Outflow dominate storms, interesting to watch especially this wall of water that just pushed east. Lots of wind, heavy rains and even some decent size hail (mainly quarter sized, but may have been slightly larger). Intercepted this storm several miles SW of Coin, Ia (Page County). Wall of Water from an outflow dominate storm.
Severe Thunderstorm Warned 4
Don't Try This At Home (taddarkprince)
No Really....Don't try this at home. Pentax K-5 and Tamron 10-24mm Lens.
Don't Try This At Home
Rozel, KS Stovepipe Tornado! (charlesimages)
My first tornado ever in my chasing career, and it's this massive beast! Awesome! Follow my adventures at facebook.com/CharlesimagesStormedia and cistormedia.com!
Rozel, KS Stovepipe Tornado!
Medford, OK (amy1225)
Medford, OK
After the Storm (ctrmom)
Calm after the storm, with lots of birds singing in the background too!
After the Storm

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1213. hydrus
1:34 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting CosmicEvents:
It's all well and good about what a couple of you have said about the community....but here we have a despicable attempt at the forever-Doom-cast-to be for The Caymans claiming we should take a small break to look at the tropics converging as always on CI and having the disgusting gall to say he's looking at some maybe storm to be when a friend's child is dead. Uggh.
What a troubled world we live in.
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1212. CosmicEvents
1:25 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting wunderkidcayman:

DUDE YOU ARE CROSSIN VERY UNCHARTED WATERS YES I CARE ABOUT THOSE CHILDREN BEING KILLED ONE OF THEM HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF MY FRIEND CHILD SO DON'T GO THERE YOU HERE ME
It's all well and good about what a couple of you have said about the community....but here we have a despicable attempt at the forever-Doom-cast-to be for The Caymans claiming we should take a small break to look at the tropics converging as always on CI and having the disgusting gall to say he's looking at some maybe storm to be when a friend's child is dead. Uggh.
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1211. hydrus
1:19 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
An F5 tornado from Moore, Oklahoma tornado on May 3rd, 1999, wrapped a large four-wheel drive pickup around a utility pole, stripping most of the truck's sheet metal. Several other automobiles were strewn through the surrounding fields.1999 Bridge Creek–Moore tornado
An American Flag blows in the wind next to the remains of a home destroyed by the tornado
An American Flag blows in the wind next to the remains of a home destroyed by the tornado
Date: May 3, 1999
Time: 6:23 pm – 7:48 pm CDT
Rating: F5 tornado
Damages: $1 billion (1999 USD)
$1.4 billion (2013 USD)
Casualties: 36 direct, 5 indirect (583 injuries)
Area affected: Oklahoma; Grady, McClain, Cleveland and Oklahoma counties; particularly the cities of Bridge Creek and Moore
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1210. WthrBearSF
1:11 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Speaking as a former school bus driver and teacher's assistant, I don't believe we can lay any blame at the feet of school staff and administration for what took place at the elementary schools in Moore. There were simply too many possibilities of things going wrong when trying to evacuate a large number of younger children, especially with only a 10 to 15 minute warning.

* Emotional state of Administration, Staff, and Students in an urgent situation.

*Heightened anxiety and emotion due to tornado sirens.

* Ability of children to understand directions and implement without delay or distraction. (Taking into consideration mental and physical disabilities.)

* Ability to get buses to loading area without accident.

* Loading at least dozens of children orderly and safely into a bus.

* Find a safe route out of school grounds and away from the tornado.

* Factor in the ever-changing speed of motion and size of tornado, along with size of debris area, as well as hail, downpours, and lightning.

Even with a half hour's notice, you would probably not achieve a safe evacuation. I would have sheltered in place with my students and protect them to the best of my ability. At this moment of tragedy, it's best to err on the side of the school administration's and staff's decisions, as they did the best they could with what they had.

PLEASE, have some compassion and stop the snarky comments, armchair weather casting, and self-ego stroking. It simply doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong. Life and death are so much more important at the moment.
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1209. hydrus
1:07 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting Bluestorm5:
I'm just quoting here...

Dr. Greg Forbes: 'I definitely would call this an EF-5'
My guess it was briefly. Either way, some of the folks that are alive to talk about it said it seemed like an eternity for the tornado to pass. The May-3rd 1999 tornado that struck the same area was also just briefly an F-5. Edit.. For a short time twice along its path.
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1208. Tribucanes
1:00 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
So much contention here today. While there hasn't exactly been harmony, I know we all have empathy for the dead and family's of. This is horrible, emotions run high; we're like a family here, opinionated, don't always get along, and have differing interests and ways of expression. I've watch most of y'all post for a long time and don't think anyone is a bad or uncaring person. Lets forgive and forget and empathize with those with much bigger problems in Moore.
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1207. number4steel
12:57 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
its a blog, mostly by adults,some of whom are so shallow and insecure that they attack with words and hate towards people that mispell a word, get a number wrong or state their belief in god. trolls have a place . unfortunately it is here today in their weak mind. go surf cartoon porn . leave the finger pointing to another day. i worked as an emt , sadest day ever was a school bus wreck in greene county. i am 6'2 and 210. tough as a rock. it still makes me cry 20 years late. this weekend is memorial day.skip the beach, pack the cars and go pick up your fellow americans. help your countrymen in need for gain or profit not, but because the loss of children can only besoftened by love, sometimes the love and prayers of strangers not known or seen.
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1206. Tornado6042008X
12:55 AM GMT on May 21, 2013

Already at least 37 dead from today's tornado in Moore, OK. Sadly, it looks like this is very likely THE NEXTJOPLIN :(
 
My heart and prayers go out to all of the victims and families struggling through this disaster.

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1205. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
12:52 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Stay on topic of the entry or current events

action will be taken with no further warnings
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1204. BahaHurican
12:52 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting ScottLincoln:

I have severe doubts that the NWS office has stated that winds were over 200mph at the surface by this point. Far too early. It took days with specialized teams to rate the higher-end tornadoes of the 2011 outbreak. Rating a tornado EF5 is not taken lightly by the NWS. Be skeptical of people jumping to conclusions this early.
Is KFOR the same as New 19?

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1203. AGWcreationists
12:50 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting Charmeck:
Maybe schools in this area where storms are so frequent and severe, they need to make sure schools have that kind of shelter available.
One would think that Moore, which had the monster 1999 tornado and two EF-4s between 1999 and this beast, would have invested in underground shelters for all its schools.
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1202. wunderkidcayman
12:49 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I recommend stepping off the blog.

No it ok I'm ok it cool
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1201. nervouspete
12:49 AM GMT on May 21, 2013

Here's a tip Weather Channel, don't have jive-party good-time music overplaying your cut to weather radar immediately after Bettes tells us that several dozen children have been killed. Silence would be best.

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1200. Bluestorm5
12:49 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
I'm just quoting here...

Dr. Greg Forbes: 'I definitely would call this an EF-5'
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1199. GeoffreyWPB
12:49 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I recommend stepping off the blog.


I agree. You are too upset. Take some time off.
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1198. all4hurricanes
12:48 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
I think the best solution is basements in schools. Getting kids home withing 10 minutes is a ridiculous notion, getting everyone out of classes and onto buses would take at least 5 minutes. I remember timing the ride home on my school bus and it took 45 minutes. I really hope Moore rebuilds with extra safety precautions I don't want to see a tragedy like this again.
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1197. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
12:48 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
1196. TropicalAnalystwx13
12:48 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting wunderkidcayman:

DUDE YOU ARE CROSSIN VERY UNCHARTED WATERS YES I CARE ABOUT THOSE CHILDREN BEING KILLED ONE OF THEM HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF MY FRIEND CHILD SO DON'T GO THERE YOU HERE ME

I recommend stepping off the blog.
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1195. Bluestorm5
12:47 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
TWC just showed plywood stabbed by branches of a tree.
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1194. wunderkidcayman
12:46 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting luvtogolf:


You are freaking kidding me. You are worried about a few thunderstorms in the Caribbean when we have children killed in Oklahoma. Oh I remember, every disturbance is going to form and take out the Caymans.
-10000000

DUDE YOU ARE CROSSIN VERY UNCHARTED WATERS YES I CARE ABOUT THOSE CHILDREN BEING KILLED ONE OF THEM HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF MY FRIEND CHILD SO DON'T GO THERE YOU HERE ME
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1193. MrMixon
12:46 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
KFOR helicopter reporter mentioned some ponds in the vicinity of the Moore tornado were now empty after the tornado...

Has anyone else heard of this happening during tornadoes?
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1192. GeorgiaStormz
12:46 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
At 7:30pm local media reported a rain-wrapped tornado in Hannibal, MO - no further details. Circulation crossed into IL by 7:45p.
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1191. Civicane49
12:46 AM GMT on May 21, 2013


SEL5

URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 195
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
740 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF
WESTERN AND NORTHERN ARKANSAS
A SMALL PART OF WESTERN ILLINOIS
SOUTHERN ANF CENTRAL MISSOURI
EASTERN AND SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA

* EFFECTIVE THIS MONDAY NIGHT AND TUESDAY MORNING FROM 740 PM
UNTIL 300 AM CDT.

* PRIMARY THREATS INCLUDE...
SEVERAL TORNADOES WITH A FEW INTENSE TORNADOES POSSIBLE
NUMEROUS DAMAGING WIND GUSTS EXPECTED WITH SEVERAL SIGNIFICANT
GUSTS TO 75 MPH POSSIBLE
NUMEROUS LARGE HAIL EVENTS LIKELY WITH A FEW VERY LARGE HAIL
EVENTS TO 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER POSSIBLE

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 95 STATUTE
MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 25 MILES EAST NORTHEAST OF
VICHY MISSOURI TO 45 MILES WEST SOUTHWEST OF DE QUEEN ARKANSAS.
FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH
OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU5).

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

&&

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 190...WW 191...WW
192...WW 193...WW 194...

DISCUSSION...LOOSELY-CONNECTED BAND OF SUPERCELLS EXTENDING FROM THE
RED RVR VLY NEWD INTO SW MO EXPECTED TO GRADUALLY FURTHER
CONSOLIDATE AS THE BAND CONTINUES EWD AT A MODERATE PACE. AREA
SOUNDING AND VWP DATA SUGGEST THAT SEMI-DISCRETE OR EMBEDDED
SUPERCELL STRUCTURES LIKELY WILL PERSIST THROUGH LATE EVE...POSING A
CONTINUED RISK FOR LARGE HAIL...DMGG WIND...AND TORNADOES. A FEW
BOWING SEGMENTS MAY EVOLVE THAT PRODUCE MORE CONCENTRATED SWATHS OF
STRONG WINDS...ESPECIALLY IN SE OK AND NW AR/SRN MO.

AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL
SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 2 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE
WIND GUSTS TO 65 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO
550. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 25035.


...CORFIDI
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1190. Bluestorm5
12:46 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Press C. starting....
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1189. GeorgiaStormz
12:45 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Dr. Forbes says this is the worst damage he's ever seen. He toured damage from the F5s of '74, the Moore tornado of '99, Tuscalosa and Joplin '11, and countless other violent tornadoes.


It's fresher in his mind though...we'll see


about cancelling school for MDT or HGH risk days, highs maybe, but MDT are far too common and schools cannot take that many days off....events like this are rare, even in bad tornado outbreaks.
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1188. Bluestorm5
12:44 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Still waiting on press conference. Trying to get information together, I think.
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1187. Patrap
12:42 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
PC Live Link

kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming
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1186. weatherh98
12:41 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting luvtogolf:


You are freaking kidding me. You are worried about a few thunderstorms in the Caribbean when we have children killed in Oklahoma. Oh I remember, every disturbance is going to form and take out the Caymans.
-10000000



Mean and spiteful. It's a tropical meteorology blog he can do what he likes about the tropics
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1185. jamesrainier
12:41 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
737 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORMAN HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
WESTERN ATOKA COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...
SOUTHERN COAL COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...
EASTERN JOHNSTON COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...

* UNTIL 845 PM CDT

* AT 736 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM LOCATED NEAR FILLMORE...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 30
MPH.

HAZARDS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE...
DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 80 MPH...
LARGE DAMAGING HAIL UP TO GOLF BALL SIZE...

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
ATOKA...COALGATE...WAPANUCKA...TUSHKA...LEHIGH...M ILBURN...CANEY...
BROMIDE...PHILLIPS...CLARITA...FILLMORE...OLNEY... COLEMAN AND BOGGY
DEPOT STATE PARK.
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1184. docrod
12:41 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting AussieStorm:


True. That's why it's a catch 22 situation.

In areas that are prone to having tornadoes, Homes, schools and businesses should have storm shelters. If people decide to rebuild and when the school is rebuilt, they should include storm shelters in the design.


that point is currently being made by some news pundits as well. good point for that part of the usa - in iowa we all had basements
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1183. MrMixon
12:41 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
I don't think this was a dangerous cell, but this thing popped up and disappeared north of OKC in the space of an hour. Just a little kick in the shins for a metro area that must be on eggshells right now...

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1182. Thundercloud01221991
12:40 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting Charmeck:
Having been an educator and administrator - there are numerous safety plans for schools. For tornadoes we always had students in the "inside" hallways kneeling with heads down against the wall on the first floor. This was the approved and well thought out procedure. The problem is this was a massive storm, F-4 or F-5, and from the looks of the destruction of the school I'm not sure they would have been safe anywhere short of in an underground shelter. Maybe schools in this area where storms are so frequent and severe, they need to make sure schools have that kind of shelter available.



Why dont schools in Oklahoma and the rest of tornado alley have an underground shelter for students to go to. Maybe have an entrance to it in each classroom. Just have skinny ~ 4 ft wide hallways under ground running from classroom to classroom for the students to hide in. Yes it may mean that they will be "trapped" for a while but they will be alive
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1181. Barefootontherocks
12:40 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
You know, there was a moderate risk area in central OK today, and SPC issued a tornado watch. It was not a PDS watch. The parameters didn't warrant one. The risk for EF2-plus on the watch was "low." Yesterday's risk for EF2-plus was moderate. Officials and emergency management made their decisions based on that.

A puff of cloud to an EF5 in one hour.

This, if nothing else should bring you all to understand and respect our sky and it's ability to lay us flat on our backs, devastated and holding our heads in our hands.

No need for speculative mayhem measuring.

Reed Timmer, stormchaser extraordinaire, could hardly talk about a tornadic cell today because it was about to enter a town where his friends live.

That is what super cell tornadoes are about. They can bring human society to its knees in an instant. And this one did.
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1180. AussieStorm
12:39 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting Bielle:


Depends on the home; depends on the school.


True. That's why it's a catch 22 situation.

In areas that are prone to having tornadoes, Homes, schools and businesses should have storm shelters. If people decide to rebuild and when the school is rebuilt, they should include storm shelters in the design.
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1179. docrod
12:39 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


Is there a streamer to see it?


search rockinrooster for a link
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1178. Patrap
12:39 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming
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1177. Bluestorm5
12:39 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Press conference: ustream.tv/cbsnews
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1176. wunderkidcayman
12:39 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting Bluestorm5:
Could've posted the map without acting like an a-hole. Jeez.

u'r the one acting like an a-hole

look people sorry if I'm comming off like a cold hearted B@57ard my condolence goes out to the familys and friends and those who are affected by the tornadoes I could imagine how they must feel I got close family and friends in some of these areas

I am not saying stop chatting about the tornado threats I am just asking can we have a little variety here such a depressing state right now

between hurricanes and tornadoes
I love hurricanes cause you got ample time to prep most of the times but tornadoes you got little or no time I mean yeah we can forecast severe storm and they can bring tornadoes but can't tell for sure
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1175. GeorgiaStormz
12:39 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting luvtogolf:


You are freaking kidding me. You are worried about a few thunderstorms in the Caribbean when we have children killed in Oklahoma. Oh I remember, every disturbance is going to form and take out the Caymans.
-10000000


chilll.....you certainly never make half a big deal when hundreds died in bangladesh or pakistan.

If he's not affected by this he may not be as sensitive.

relax....
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1173. Bluestorm5
12:38 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


Is there a streamer to see it?
I don't know. I'm staying on TWC.
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1172. Bluestorm5
12:38 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
7 confirmed dead at Plaza Towers Elem. Expecting more dead.
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1171. Charmeck
12:38 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Having been an educator and administrator - there are numerous safety plans for schools. For tornadoes we always had students in the "inside" hallways kneeling with heads down against the wall on the first floor. This was the approved and well thought out procedure. The problem is this was a massive storm, F-4 or F-5, and from the looks of the destruction of the school I'm not sure they would have been safe anywhere short of in an underground shelter. Maybe schools in this area where storms are so frequent and severe, they need to make sure schools have that kind of shelter available.
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1170. luvtogolf
12:38 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys sorry for dusturbing the flow of tornado talk but as this is a tropic blog so yeah can we talk tropic as well as tornado please

anyway anyone noticed that the Caribbean has picked up a lot in convection activity a lot of t-storms and shower activity developed in a matter of hours



You are freaking kidding me. You are worried about a few thunderstorms in the Caribbean when we have children killed in Oklahoma. Oh I remember, every disturbance is going to form and take out the Caymans.
-10000000
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1169. Tropicsweatherpr
12:37 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting Bluestorm5:
Press conference in Moore about to begin very soon. Will post information from presser.


Is there a streamer to see it?
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1168. Bielle
12:37 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting AussieStorm:


Problem, some homes don't have storm shelters. It's a catch 22 situation. Are kids safer at home or at school?


Depends on the home; depends on the school.
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1167. Tazmanian
12:36 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting AussieStorm:


Problem, some homes don't have storm shelters. It's a catch 22 situation. Are kids safer at home or at school?





good point
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1166. schistkicker
12:36 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Quoting Tazmanian:



thats good thinking there at lest the kids will be safe at home and not at school


Assuming that "home" is safer than the school. Not generally a very good assumption.
School buildings are generally very solid construction, built to take a bit of a beating and last for decades.

Sometimes the storms are just too strong for ANY building. This, sadly, appears to have been the case today. The tragedy would have been even worse if you had 400 kids at the school at various homes, many of which had no storm shelter and/or no one paying attention to weather alerts.

There'll be plenty of time for armchair QB'ing in the aftermath, but this just isn't a productive angle.
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1165. docrod
12:36 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Sun just set in Moore OK
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1164. Bluestorm5
12:36 AM GMT on May 21, 2013
Press conference in Moore about to begin very soon. Will post information from presser.
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